Crit Weighting Testing Help

[Heshlon]

Alright, it was suggested that I test this sword on creatures that don't have natural crit padding for the easiest way to read.

I know there's some normal crit randomization in there, but it definitely has something over a normal longsword. I bolded a few # that stood out to me more than the rest.

Any math wizards out there who can crunch the numbers. Feel free. Thanks!

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You swing an enruned crimson eahnor longsword at a plumed cockatrice!
AS: +216 vs DS: +111 with AvD: +41 + d100 roll: +16 = +162
... and hit for 51 points of damage!
Powerful slash trims the plumed cockatrice's fingernails...
and the remainder of its left hand!
A plumed cockatrice screeches loudly and flops about on the ground cradling its wounded left claw.
The plumed cockatrice is stunned!
Roundtime: 5 sec.
R>kill
You swing an enruned crimson eahnor longsword at a plumed cockatrice!
AS: +216 vs DS: +57 with AvD: +41 + d100 roll: +31 = +231
... and hit for 76 points of damage!
Well placed shot pierces knee, that hurt!
The plumed cockatrice screams evilly one last time and goes still.
Roundtime: 5 sec.


You swing an enruned crimson eahnor longsword at a plumed cockatrice!
AS: +216 vs DS: +111 with AvD: +41 + d100 roll: +43 = +189
... and hit for 68 points of damage!
Strong strike, punctures lung!
The plumed cockatrice is stunned!
Roundtime: 5 sec.

You swing an enruned crimson eahnor longsword at a plumed cockatrice!
AS: +216 vs DS: +86 with AvD: +41 + d100 roll: +92 = +263
... and hit for 144 points of damage!
Masterful slash to the plumed cockatrice's lower back!
Spinal cord and life are just memories now.
The plumed cockatrice falls to the ground motionless.
Roundtime: 5 sec.

You swing an enruned crimson eahnor longsword at a plumed cockatrice!
AS: +204 vs DS: +111 with AvD: +41 + d100 roll: +77 = +211
... and hit for 62 points of damage!
Deep slash to the plumed cockatrice's right forearm!
The plumed cockatrice is stunned!
Roundtime: 5 sec.
R>kill
You swing an enruned crimson eahnor longsword at a plumed cockatrice!
AS: +204 vs DS: +87 with AvD: +41 + d100 roll: +62 = +220
... and hit for 86 points of damage!
Strike pierces temple and kills foe instantly!
The plumed cockatrice falls to the ground motionless.
Roundtime: 5 sec.

You swing an enruned crimson eahnor longsword at a plumed cockatrice!
AS: +204 vs DS: +111 with AvD: +41 + d100 roll: +12 = +146
... and hit for 80 points of damage!
Quick, powerful slash!
The plumed cockatrice's chest is ripped open!
The plumed cockatrice is stunned!
Roundtime: 5 sec.
R>kill
You swing an enruned crimson eahnor longsword at a plumed cockatrice!
AS: +204 vs DS: +86 with AvD: +41 + d100 roll: +40 = +199
... and hit for 82 points of damage!
Strike to abdomen skewers the plumed cockatrice quite nicely!
The plumed cockatrice falls to the ground motionless.
Roundtime: 5 sec.

You swing an enruned crimson eahnor longsword at a grizzled plumed cockatrice!
AS: +216 vs DS: +138 with AvD: +41 + d100 roll: +57 = +176
... and hit for 107 points of damage!
Terrible slash to the plumed cockatrice's side!
Entrails spill out, onto the ground!
Death can be SO messy.

[You have completed this portion of your Adventurer's Guild task.]
The plumed cockatrice falls to the ground motionless.

You swing an enruned crimson eahnor longsword at a plumed cockatrice!
AS: +216 vs DS: +86 with AvD: +41 + d100 roll: +58 = +229
... and hit for 130 points of damage!
Terrible slash to the plumed cockatrice's side!
Entrails spill out, onto the ground!
Death can be SO messy.
The plumed cockatrice falls to the ground motionless.
Roundtime: 5 sec.

You swing an enruned crimson eahnor longsword at a plumed cockatrice!
AS: +216 vs DS: +111 with AvD: +41 + d100 roll: +12 = +158
... and hit for 65 points of damage!
Horrible slash to the plumed cockatrice's head! Brain matter goes flying!
Looks like it never felt a thing.
The plumed cockatrice falls to the ground motionless.
Roundtime: 5 sec.



You swing an enruned crimson eahnor longsword at a plumed cockatrice!
AS: +204 vs DS: +111 with AvD: +41 + d100 roll: +1 = +135
... and hit for 32 points of damage!
Right kneecap smashed into pulp.
The plumed cockatrice is knocked to the ground!
The plumed cockatrice is stunned!
Roundtime: 5 sec.

You swing an enruned crimson eahnor longsword at a plumed cockatrice!
AS: +204 vs DS: +50 with AvD: +41 + d100 roll: +16 = +211
... and hit for 59 points of damage!
Impressive shot shatters wrist!
Roundtime: 5 sec.
R>kill
You swing an enruned crimson eahnor longsword at a plumed cockatrice!
AS: +204 vs DS: +48 with AvD: +41 + d100 roll: +7 = +204
... and hit for 69 points of damage!
Hard blow to the plumed cockatrice's ear!
Deep gash and a terrible headache!
The plumed cockatrice screams evilly one last time and goes still.
Roundtime: 5 sec.

You swing an enruned crimson eahnor longsword at a plumed cockatrice!
AS: +216 vs DS: +111 with AvD: +41 + d100 roll: +62 = +208
... and hit for 76 points of damage!
The plumed cockatrice twists away but is caught with a hard slash!
Back is broken!
The plumed cockatrice is knocked to the ground!
The plumed cockatrice is stunned!
Roundtime: 5 sec.

You swing an enruned crimson eahnor longsword at a plumed cockatrice!
AS: +216 vs DS: +56 with AvD: +41 + d100 roll: +84 = +285
... and hit for 104 points of damage!
Hard blow breaks the femur!
The plumed cockatrice screams evilly one last time and goes still.
Roundtime: 5 sec.

You swing an enruned crimson eahnor longsword at a plumed cockatrice!
AS: +216 vs DS: +111 with AvD: +41 + d100 roll: +28 = +174
... and hit for 48 points of damage!
Strike pierces calf!
The plumed cockatrice is knocked to the ground!
The plumed cockatrice is stunned!
Roundtime: 5 sec.

You swing an enruned crimson eahnor longsword at a plumed cockatrice!
AS: +216 vs DS: +50 with AvD: +41 + d100 roll: +60 = +267
... and hit for 91 points of damage!
Off-balance slash to the plumed cockatrice's left arm shatters its elbow.
*CRUNCH*
The plumed cockatrice screams evilly one last time and goes still.
Roundtime: 5 sec.

You swing an enruned crimson eahnor longsword at a plumed cockatrice!
AS: +204 vs DS: +111 with AvD: +41 + d100 roll: +4 = +138
... and hit for 41 points of damage!
Strong slash to the plumed cockatrice's right leg!
Muscles exposed!
Not a pretty sight.
The plumed cockatrice is knocked to the ground!
The plumed cockatrice is stunned!
Roundtime: 5 sec.
R>kill
You swing an enruned crimson eahnor longsword at a plumed cockatrice!
AS: +204 vs DS: +50 with AvD: +41 + d100 roll: +72 = +267
... and hit for 96 points of damage!
Damaging strike to chest, several ribs shattered!
The plumed cockatrice screams evilly one last time and goes still.
Roundtime: 5 sec.

You concentrate intently, focusing all your energies.
With instinctive motions, you weave to and fro striking with deliberate and unrelenting fury!
You swing an enruned crimson eahnor longsword at a plumed cockatrice!
AS: +204 vs DS: +111 with AvD: +41 + d100 roll: +74 = +208
... and hit for 86 points of damage!
Awesome slash severs the plumed cockatrice's right arm!
A jagged stump is all that remains!
A plumed cockatrice screeches loudly and flops about on the ground cradling its wounded right wing.
The plumed cockatrice is stunned!
You swing an enruned crimson eahnor longsword at a plumed cockatrice!
AS: +204 vs DS: +111 with AvD: +41 + d100 roll: +95 = +229
... and hit for 80 points of damage!
The plumed cockatrice is backed up by a strong slash to its abdomen!
The plumed cockatrice is stunned!

Your flurry of strikes leaves you off-balance and out of position.
Roundtime: 7 sec.

You swing an enruned crimson eahnor longsword at a plumed cockatrice!
AS: +204 vs DS: +86 with AvD: +41 + d100 roll: +67 = +226
... and hit for 84 points of damage!
Slash to head destroys the plumed cockatrice's right eye!
Doesn't do its brain any good either.
The plumed cockatrice falls to the ground motionless.
Roundtime: 5 sec.

You swing an enruned crimson eahnor longsword at a plumed cockatrice!
AS: +204 vs DS: +56 with AvD: +41 + d100 roll: +29 = +218
... and hit for 90 points of damage!
Powerful slash!
The plumed cockatrice's left leg is severed at the knee!
The plumed cockatrice screams evilly one last time and goes still.
Roundtime: 5 sec.

You swing an enruned crimson eahnor longsword at a plumed cockatrice!
AS: +216 vs DS: +111 with AvD: +41 + d100 roll: +48 = +194
... and hit for 80 points of damage!
Strike to abdomen skewers the plumed cockatrice quite nicely!
The plumed cockatrice falls to the ground motionless.
Roundtime: 5 sec.

[Danical]

http://forum.gsplayers.com/showpost.php?p=1259480&postcount=18

[Danical]

We'll need your dex bonus if you don't plan on using the script. If you do use the script, fill in the longsword avd/df hash and paste or attach the contents of the text file created by the script in your script directory.

[Riltus]

Crit weighting and Dex bonus weighting don't play nice together. We know that weapon crit weighting is non-variable. If a weapon has 40 pts of weighting you will always have that amount of weighting added as phantom damage for crit rank determination. We also know that the full Dex bonus weighting is always added to the attack result for non-ambush attacks with a non-crit weighted weapon. What we don't know is how Dex bonus weighting stacks with weapon crit weighting. From my research they do not fully stack. The actual weighting is always less than the total theoretical weighting and there is some variability with the results.

Let's look at two of your results:

Weapon DF: .425 (longsword vs cloth armor group)
Armor crit divisor: 5 (cloth)

You swing an enruned crimson eahnor longsword at a plumed cockatrice!
AS: +204 vs DS: +111 with AvD: +41 + d100 roll: +12 = +146
... and hit for 80 points of damage!
Quick, powerful slash!
The plumed cockatrice's chest is ripped open!

Raw damage: 20 ( 46 * .425)
Crit damage: 60 (Rank 7 chest crit)
Minimum raw damage + phantom crit weighting required for a rank 7 crit: 35
Minimum weapon + Dex bonus crit weighting required for this result: 15 (35 -20)

Now, this next attack will show a contradictory result if weapon weighting and Dex bonus weighting are non-variables:

You swing an enruned crimson eahnor longsword at a plumed cockatrice!
AS: +216 vs DS: +111 with AvD: +41 + d100 roll: +28 = +174
... and hit for 48 points of damage!
Strike pierces calf!
The plumed cockatrice is knocked to the ground!

Raw damage: 31 ( 74 * .425)
Crit damage: 17 (Rank 4 leg crit)
Maximum raw damage + phantom crit weighting for a rank 4 outcome: 44
With 45 damage the minimum crit will be a rank 5
Therefore, the maximum weapon + Dex bonus crit weighting is: 13 (44- 31)

So, in the first attack the minimum weapon + dex bonus weighting is 15 and in the second attack the maximum is 13.

Other relevant results:

AS: +216 vs DS: +111 with AvD: +41 + d100 roll: +16 = +162
... and hit for 51 points of damage!
Powerful slash trims the plumed cockatrice's fingernails...
and the remainder of its left hand!

Raw damage: 26
Crit rank: 8 (40 minimum damage)
Minimum weighting: 14 (40 - 26)


AS: +216 vs DS: +111 with AvD: +41 + d100 roll: +12 = +158
... and hit for 65 points of damage!
Horrible slash to the plumed cockatrice's head! Brain matter goes flying!

Raw damage: 25
Crit rank: 8 (40 minimum damage)
Minimum weighting: 15 ( 40 - 25)

AS: +204 vs DS: +111 with AvD: +41 + d100 roll: +4 = +138
... and hit for 41 points of damage!
Strong slash to the plumed cockatrice's right leg!

Raw damage: 16
Crit rank: 6 (30 minimum damage)
Minimum weighting: 14 (30 - 16)



My guess is that your weapon is VHC with 12 points of weighting. It is possible that the weapon has unique properties that would account for this variability, but ordinarily, if a weapon has 12 points of weighting those 12 points are always added as phantom damage. It is very unlikely that the weapon has more than 13 points of weighting based on the 174 endroll attack results.

Note: Because of crit randomization, any attack with an endroll greater than 204 is meaningless with a longsword vs a target in cloth armor.

Mark

[waywardgs]

Nicely done at 5:30 in the morning.

[Heshlon]

Thanks for this!

I'll try to get you more info tonight if I can.

[Heshlon]

Dex bonus is 24.

I'm not sure if that changes anything.

[BriarFox]

Dex bonus is 24.

I'm not sure if that changes anything.

Dex adds weighting at 1 point per 4 Dex Bonus, so you've got 6 phantom points of weighting there. You need to subtract that from your results with the longsword.

[Latrinsorm]

It would change things if your Dex bonus was less than 12, but since it is more you can safely stick with Mark's conclusion that: "My guess is that your weapon is VHC with 12 points of weighting."

[Riltus]

Dex adds weighting at 1 point per 4 Dex Bonus, so you've got 6 phantom points of weighting there. You need to subtract that from your results with the longsword.

It's not that simple. See my previous post.

Here's an example of a character with, coincidentally, a Dex bonus of 25.

You swing a claidhmore at a hobgoblin!
AS: +62 vs DS: +4 with AvD: +28 + d100 roll: +28 = +114
... and hit for 15 points of damage!
Large gash to the right arm, several muscles torn.
The hobgoblin is stunned!

DF: .500
Raw damage: 7
Crit rank: 3
Armor crit divisor: 7 (brig)

Claidhmore crit weighting: 40
Dex bonus weighting: 6 trunc(25 / 4)
Total theoretical weighting: 46
Total theoretical raw damage + weighting: 53
Maximum theoretical crit rank: 7 (53 total damage divided by the armor crit divisor of 7 truncated)

Since the actual crit was a rank 3, the maximum crit rank before randomization is 6. The highest total of raw damage + weighting for a rank 6 crit with an armor crit divisor of 7 is 48. With 49 damage the minimum crit rank possible is 4. Therefore, with 7 raw damage the maximum possible combined weighting for this attack is 41. When tested independently the full weapon weighting is always added as phantom damage and the same is true for Dex bonus weighting.

TLDR version:

Weapon weighting: 40
Dex weighting: 6
Actual weighting: 40 or 41 (either will satisfy the result)

The actual result is either 5 or 6 less than the expected result if weapon and dex bonus weighting fully stack. Obviously, they don't.

Mark