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Wrathbringer
03-28-2011, 03:07 PM
I've been sword and board for 15 years, thought I'd try a thw build. My question is this: I understand Dodge is the main source of DS for THW builds, so is it worth it to double dodge or should those points be elsewhere?

TheLastShamurai
03-28-2011, 03:12 PM
2x isn't really feasible pre-cap; most people stick to 1x.

Ayamei
03-28-2011, 03:50 PM
As a paladin, I think you going to get more defense through your heavy armor. 2x dodge would leave you with no TPs.

Wrathbringer
03-28-2011, 04:18 PM
Thank you both for the help. :)

Androidpk
03-28-2011, 05:17 PM
Even 0.5x is fine, helps save a lot of training points.

GTG
03-28-2011, 06:28 PM
I did .5, then .8x, and finally 1x as I got caught up on points.

Wrathbringer
03-30-2011, 09:20 AM
Got my training in order for the most part, Spells, lores, etc. are where I want them. I've got 2x THW, 150 Armor, and 2x Physical Fitness. As for the rest, I've gone 1x dodge, 1x CM and I've opted to go with 55 ranks of MOC for 3 focused strikes. I've got a few hundred extra points to spend, though. Should I begin working toward 80 in MOC for four focused strikes (do I really need 4? is it worth the increased RT and point cost?) or put them into CM? Dodge? Any thoughts? Thanks again.

whiteflash
03-30-2011, 05:32 PM
Got my training in order for the most part, Spells, lores, etc. are where I want them. I've got 2x THW, 150 Armor, and 2x Physical Fitness. As for the rest, I've gone 1x dodge, 1x CM and I've opted to go with 55 ranks of MOC for 3 focused strikes. I've got a few hundred extra points to spend, though. Should I begin working toward 80 in MOC for four focused strikes (do I really need 4? is it worth the increased RT and point cost?) or put them into CM? Dodge? Any thoughts? Thanks again.

Depends on what you hunt and your preferred hunting style. There are some creatures that the 4 hit focus is really useful against. Sentries and elementals are two examples of creatures which are non-corporeal at the level range you will reasonably have 80 MOC.

Just do the math for your CM or dodge depending on if you want more AS/maneuver defense/CM points, or pure DS. CM and dodge are about the same cost/rank for a paladin 5/4 and 5/3, respectively. To figure out your dodge DS gained/rank you will need to do some math to determine your action penalty in regards to your armor ranks and armor worn.

Using full plate, 180 ranks of armor use and no shield, each rank of dodge will net you approx 0.63 offensive DS, for a gain of roughly 64 offensively stanced DS. Going from 1x to 2x at a cost of 1011 PTPs. Each rank of CM will get you 0.5 AS, gaining 50AS and 50 CM points from 1x-2x with an associated cost of 1313 PTPs. Another fun way to look at it is 1.09m post cap xp for 1-2x CM and 842,500 xp for 1x-2x dodge.

PS. I'm think all my math is correct, and the equations I used came from Kraiki.

TheLastShamurai
03-30-2011, 05:52 PM
PS. I'm think all my math is correct, and the equations I used came from Kraiki.

Well, it would depend on how he is converting points; but generally speaking no, you didn't do the math correctly in regards to TP/EXP costs.


I've got a few hundred extra points to spend, though. Should I begin working toward 80 in MOC for four focused strikes (do I really need 4? is it worth the increased RT and point cost?) or put them into CM? Dodge? Any thoughts? Thanks again.

I would go for more CMAN and/or Dodge; the benefits they provide will outweigh the benefits of a fourth strike. Although a fourth strike would be ninja.

whiteflash
03-30-2011, 06:12 PM
Well, it would depend on how he is converting points; but generally speaking no, you didn't do the math correctly in regards to TP/EXP costs.



Guess I was viewing things as my sorcerer, who is 'repaying' MTPs from 2x spent PTPs. So every 2500 xp is 3 PTPs for me. Guess I never really considered that aspect of experience gain to TP conversion.

For a paladin...
CM 5/4 * 101 ranks = 505 PTPs 404 MTPs
2500 xp = 1 PTP 1MTP
So 1.01m xp to get the MTPs, and an additional 252k to get the 101 more PTPs with 101 MTPs left over. Though you could convert if you so chose at only 167k xp to get there faster. Yea..maybe that's the math ticket.

TheLastShamurai
03-30-2011, 06:38 PM
Going from 1x to 2x at a cost of 1011 PTPs. Each rank of CM will get you 0.5 AS, gaining 50AS and 50 CM points from 1x-2x with an associated cost of 1313 PTPs. Another fun way to look at it is 1.09m post cap xp for 1-2x CM and 842,500 xp for 1x-2x dodge.

Guess I was viewing things as my sorcerer, who is 'repaying' MTPs from 2x spent PTPs. So every 2500 xp is 3 PTPs for me. Guess I never really considered that aspect of experience gain to TP conversion.

It would be the same if that was how he was converting points; being every 2500 EXP would net him 3 PTPs. So for the sake of discussion, lets say he will only be receiving PTPs. He stated he is currently 1x. So post-cap, if he wanted to go 2x, the cost for Dodge would be 10/6 per rank [or 22 PTPs], totaling the cost to 2222 PTPs or 1.85 mil EXP; not 842,500 EXP as mentioned above. Basically you didn't double the cost per rank.

Wrathbringer
03-30-2011, 07:00 PM
Thanks folks. Much appreciated.