Mass Immigration Eats Through The Melting Pot

[Testosterone]

Good read IMHO.

Mass Immigration Eats Through The Melting Pot
By Sam Francis

With mass immigration shredding what Harvard scholar Samuel Huntington calls the "Anglo Protestant core" of American civilization, the Open Borders lobby remains delighted with the benefits the shredding brings.

Last week, just as news of Professor Huntington's magisterial article was about to break, historian Stanley Karnow warbled excitedly about the shredding in the Los Angeles Times.

Mr. Karnow lives in a posh Washington suburb at which those who worry that "immigration threatens to blemish the nation's 'purity'" are invited to look. It used to be what he calls a "dreary lily-white stretch of farms, stables and split level houses." Now, it's a "multicultural, multicolored, multilingual enclave" that is dreary—and white—no more.

[Keep Your Tired, Poor Stereotypes, February 24, 2004.]

"My neighbors," he beams, "include a German architect and his Iranian wife, a Palestinian contractor, a Korean scientist and a car salesman from Madagascar. An Indian physician converted her home into a miniature Taj Mahal, replete with bronze elephants on the lawn."

Racially diverse it may be, though probably not quite as diverse as Mr. Karnow would have us believe or as he seems to believe himself. My bet is that the backbone of the burb remains just as lily-hued as when he moved in.

But what Mr. Karnow likes about it is precisely the fabled "diversity" that mass immigration breeds—"The community center offers classes in tai chi chuan, karate and yoga. Books, periodicals and videos, tapes and DVDs in Chinese, Japanese, Hindi, Italian, Korean, Russian, Tagalog and Vietnamese are available at the public library. At the elementary school, a teacher from Beijing is 'immersing' kindergartners in the rudiments of Mandarin."

What he salutes as "diversity" is in fact little more than cultural incoherence—the disappearance of that "core" Professor Huntington talks about from which a common civilization is able to grow.

The old idea of immigration was that immigrants would "melt" into a new but common pot, and as Mr. Karnow writes—quite correctly—the metaphor no longer applies.

"The 'melting pot' concept," he writes, "glorified as the paradigm, turned out to be an illusion, primarily because people sought to preserve their distinct identities. We are closer to the notion of 'cultural pluralism' broached in 1925 by the Jewish philosopher Horace Kallen. Dismayed by the thought of dissolving his pedigree in an Anglocentric caldron, he suggested a 'loose federation of nationalities … cooperating voluntarily through a multiplicity of autonomous institutions.' Die-hard conformists vehemently decried his proposal as a gambit for championing 'hyphenated' Americanism. But he was remarkably prescient."

Well, Kallen was "remarkably prescient" in part because the mass immigration that began arriving forty years later, after the 1965 Immigration Act, did indeed decline to melt.

Instead, it ate through the pot itself, which is what Mr. Karnow is so happy about.

It's nice he acknowledges this, since the usual argument—heard nowadays mainly from conservatives—is that the immigrants are assimilating.

Mr. Karnow knows better and likes it that way.

It's also interesting he acknowledges the Jewish connection, since it's becoming increasingly obvious. Mr. Karnow, as he makes sure to tell us at the end of his column, is Jewish himself, and so, he also made sure to tell us, was Kallen. And one reason they like immigration so much is precisely because of what it does to the "Anglo Protestant core" of American civilization.

A couple of years ago, the Forward, the principal Jewish newspaper in the country, reported a remark made by Leonard Glickman, president and CEO of the Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society, in explaining why his organization was promoting the resettlement of Somali refugees in the United States: "The more diverse American society is the safer [Jews] are." Mr. Glickman is not alone.

Perhaps for much the same reason, Jewish neoconservatives like John Podhoretz, David Brooks and several others don't much like the very concept of an "Anglo Protestant core."

Unlike most conservatives, almost all of them rushed to endorse President Bush's amnesty proposals as soon as he announced them, and some like Mr. Brooks have rushed to denounce the Huntington article.

Jewish Americans played a crucial role in pushing for mass immigration throughout the last century, and there's no more reason that should be a secret than there is that Roman Catholics have pushed hard for banning abortion.

Unfortunately, there is a secret about it—because people who mention it tend to get smashed as "anti-Semites."

But these days real anti-Semitism doesn't come from those who talk about the Jewish role in promoting liberal immigration policies. It comes from Arabs and other Third World immigrants whom those very policies have welcomed.

When they start bringing it to Mr. Karnow's "multicultural, multicolored, multilingual" neighborhood, we'll see if he still prefers those who have made it that way to the dreary lily-white people who used to live there.

[DeV]

Jon E. Dougherty
Tuesday, Jan. 13, 2004



Mexico accounted for about 9.2 million immigrants, or 30 percent of the total foreign-born population in the U.S., according to the Census Bureau's 2000 report, making it the leading country of birth. Next were China and the Philippines, with 1.5 million and 1.4 million respectively. They are followed by India, Vietnam, Cuba, South Korea, Canada, El Salvador and Germany.




"The bottom line is, as a country we have to come to grips with the presence of 8 to 12 million illegals, afford them some kind of legal status some way, but also as a country decide what our immigration policy is and then enforce it," Ridge said.




"Mass immigration has nothing whatsoever to do with the economic and social well-being of the United States or the American people," Stein said. "Immigration is entirely about the interests of the immigrants themselves, special interest ethnic groups, and business interests that want unlimited numbers of low-wage workers."

[longshot]

Would you like me and Tsa'ah to personally apologize for your life sucking?

Would that make you feel better for at least a day?

[Tsa`ah]

I knew I shouldn't have let that article fly. The jig is up.

Now give me my quarter underling, acknowledge your ruler.

[Testosterone]

Originally posted by DarkelfVold
Jon E. Dougherty
Tuesday, Jan. 13, 2004



Mexico accounted for about 9.2 million immigrants, or 30 percent of the total foreign-born population in the U.S., according to the Census Bureau's 2000 report, making it the leading country of birth. Next were China and the Philippines, with 1.5 million and 1.4 million respectively. They are followed by India, Vietnam, Cuba, South Korea, Canada, El Salvador and Germany.




"The bottom line is, as a country we have to come to grips with the presence of 8 to 12 million illegals, afford them some kind of legal status some way, but also as a country decide what our immigration policy is and then enforce it," Ridge said.




"Mass immigration has nothing whatsoever to do with the economic and social well-being of the United States or the American people," Stein said. "Immigration is entirely about the interests of the immigrants themselves, special interest ethnic groups, and business interests that want unlimited numbers of low-wage workers."


Congratulations. Are you starting to open your eyes, or just playing along?

Fact: Whites will be minority by 2025.
Fact: Immigration is detrimental to social order.

Non European that is.

[Edited on 4-30-2004 by Testosterone]

[TheEschaton]

With mass immigration shredding what Harvard scholar Samuel Huntington calls the "Anglo Protestant core" of American civilization, the Open Borders lobby remains delighted with the benefits the shredding brings.

Too bad Sam Huntington doesn't see the disintegration of the "Anglo Protestant core" as a bad thing. But I'm sure you knew that, having read some of Mr. Huntington's books. Where'd you get this article? Let me google it: Hmmmm, the first sites that came up:

VDare.com, a front for the Center of American Unity, a far right wing organization (http://www.vdare.com/francis/melted_pot.htm)

NewNation.org, whose goal is to "stop the invasion", who put on their front page, various non-white criminals and their crimes. (http://www.newnation.org/Archives/invasion-040319.html)

Needless to say, I'm not very confident in your sources, Testosterone.

-TheE-

-TheE-

[Tsa`ah]

Needless to say, I'm not very confident in your sources, Testosterone.

No one has been confident of numb nuts sources since his first post.

Talk about being suckered by crap propaganda hook line and sinker.

[Testosterone]

Originally posted by TheEschaton

With mass immigration shredding what Harvard scholar Samuel Huntington calls the "Anglo Protestant core" of American civilization, the Open Borders lobby remains delighted with the benefits the shredding brings.

Too bad Sam Huntington doesn't see the disintegration of the "Anglo Protestant core" as a bad thing. But I'm sure you knew that, having read some of Mr. Huntington's books. Where'd you get this article? Let me google it: Hmmmm, the first sites that came up:

VDare.com, a front for the Center of American Unity, a far right wing organization (http://www.vdare.com/francis/melted_pot.htm)

NewNation.org, whose goal is to "stop the invasion", who put on their front page, various non-white criminals and their crimes. (http://www.newnation.org/Archives/invasion-040319.html)

Needless to say, I'm not very confident in your sources, Testosterone.

-TheE-

-TheE-

So we can all see how this idiot "the moron" distorts every aspect of reality, i will post some quotes from Huntington.


"The persistent inflow of Hispanic immigrants threatens to divide the United States into two peoples, two cultures, and two languages. Unlike past immigrant groups, Mexicans and other Latinos have not assimilated into mainstream U.S. culture, forming instead their own political and linguistic enclaves—from Los Angeles to Miami—and rejecting the Anglo-Protestant values that built the American dream. The United States ignores this challenge at its peril."

"At times, scholars have suggested that the Southwest could become the United States’ Quebec. Both regions include Catholic people and were conquered by Anglo-Protestant peoples, but otherwise they have little in common. Quebec is 3,000 miles from France, and each year several hundred thousand Frenchmen do not attempt to enter Quebec legally or illegally. History shows that serious potential for conflict exists when people in one country begin referring to territory in a neighboring country in proprietary terms and to assert special rights and claims to that territory."

"Anecdotal evidence of such challenges abounds. In 1994, Mexican Americans vigorously demonstrated against California’s Proposition 187—which limited welfare benefits to children of illegal immigrants—by marching through the streets of Los Angeles waving scores of Mexican flags and carrying U.S. flags upside down. In 1998, at a Mexico-United States soccer match in Los Angeles, Mexican Americans booed the U.S. national anthem and assaulted U.S. players. Such dramatic rejections of the United States and assertions of Mexican identity are not limited to an extremist minority in the Mexican-American community. Many Mexican immigrants and their offspring simply do not appear to identify primarily with the United States."

"Empirical evidence confirms such appearances. A 1992 study of children of immigrants in Southern California and South Florida posed the following question: “How do you identify, that is, what do you call yourself?” None of the children born in Mexico answered “American,” compared with 1.9 percent to 9.3 percent of those born elsewhere in Latin America or the Caribbean. The largest percentage of Mexican-born children (41.2 percent) identified themselves as “Hispanic,” and the second largest (36.2 percent) chose “Mexican.” Among Mexican-American children born in the United States, less than 4 percent responded “American,” compared to 28.5 percent to 50 percent of those born in the United States with parents from elsewhere in Latin America. Whether born in Mexico or in the United States, Mexican children overwhelmingly did not choose “American” as their primary identification."

"Demographically, socially, and culturally, the reconquista (re-conquest) of the Southwest United States by Mexican immigrants is well underway. A meaningful move to reunite these territories with Mexico seems unlikely, but Prof. Charles Truxillo of the University of New Mexico predicts that by 2080 the southwestern states of the United States and the northern states of Mexico will form La República del Norte (The Republic of the North). Various writers have referred to the southwestern United States plus northern Mexico as “MexAmerica” or “Amexica” or “Mexifornia.” “We are all Mexicans in this valley,” a former county commissioner of El Paso, Texas, declared in 2001. "

Article is located:
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/story/cms.php?story_id=2495&page=3

I'm sure you'll disagree with that quote you made after reading them.

P.S. You're a moron.

[Edited on 4-30-2004 by Testosterone]

[Tsa`ah]

Instead of posting articles, how about your own words?

Surely you have that cognitive function.

[TheEschaton]

Yes, but Sam Huntington argues that the answer is in the synthesis of these two opposite cultures, not the kicking out of one other culture.

Try reading his book, Clash of Civilizations (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0684844419/qid=1083344437/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/002-8646932-1668059?v=glance&s=books), then form a valid opinion.

-TheE-
P.S. You're the moron for reading the problem, and assuming his solution is the same as yours.

[Edited on 4-30-2004 by TheEschaton]

[DeV]

Originally posted by Testosterone

Congratulations. Are you starting to open your eyes, or just playing along?

Fact: Whites will be minority by 2025.
Fact: Immigration is detrimental to social order.

Non European that is.

[Edited on 4-30-2004 by Testosterone] Just playing along with my eyes wide open as they've always been.

[Testosterone]

Did i not express my own opinions in previous threads a million times? If you did not happen to catch them, go back and check. They're there.

People’s opinions on subjects that address our fundamental existence in america are very educational, and helpful.

But why does it offend you that i'm posting articles by other people? Is it because you cannot label me a racist for rejecting "multiculturalism"?

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Who fucking cares who's a minority and who's not. I hate that term. I prefer, people, humans or "us".

[Testosterone]

Because minorities by nature corrupt america. The term is relatively stupid, because whites will be the minority in 20 years.

They should be referred to as their race and ethnicity dictate. Mexican, Asian, Negroid, Arab, etc, or non whites.

Ie. Non white immigration.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Could we call all racist haters a minority and deport them?

[Testosterone]

Can we call Marxists a minority and kill them?

Sure thing.

[Warriorbird]

Personally, I'm all for Maddox's solution to illegal immigration. Pay them exactly the same as Americans. The demand will go away.

Eh. I can't wait till Testy is a minority so i can DEPORT HIS ASS>

[Fengus]

Originally posted by Testosterone

Fact: Whites will be minority by 2025.
Fact: Immigration is detrimental to social order.


HOLY CHRIST D00D, GET AN EDUCATION! You are stupid all the way to your xtian core, how is an event predicted in teh future a fact? What are you a nutcase? DROP THE MUTHA FUCKING CRACK PIPE!

[Hulkein]

Fact: If the current trends continue, whites will be a minority by 2025.

Happy?

At least argue a good point, and not the fact that he left out two words.

[Warriorbird]

Like the fact that he's a racist nutjob?

:chuckle:

Like the fact that if he believes in rugged self reliance or the superiority of the "white race" he ought to go out and prove it?

[Hulkein]

Yes, those qualify as good facts to argue.

[Hulkein]

Actually, I'll just reply to part of your post anyway.

<<Like the fact that if he believes in rugged self reliance or the superiority of the "white race" he ought to go out and prove it?>>

People keep responding to his argument fallaciously. He is not saying HE HIMSELF is better then everyone because he is white. He's arguing as a SOCIETY that certain races are better then others.

If you want proof, take a look at how the world is now and who, as nations and as races, are successful. Whether you come to the same conclussion as him as to who is the most successful is the question.

[Edited on 5-1-2004 by Hulkein]

[Weedmage Princess]

I thought you said somewhere else you didn't beleive any race was "superior" to another, Hulkein? You said you just believed there "might be genetic differences" if the stuff that Estrogen was posting was true. (which most of it was outdated stuff, anyway)

Oh, just cause it needs mentioning, while yes some slave owners did rape the female slaves, it wasn't the ONLY time intercourse between the two occured, during rape. SOME PEOPLE really need to start going elsewhere for their info other than gathering misinformation from neo-Nazi, White supremcy propaganda. If you do any reading, or hell even watch the HISTORY CHANNEL, you'd know that Thomas Jefferson was in fact IN LOVE with one of his slaves. This woman was his mistress, he LOVED her. It wasn't a matter of rape or anything like that.

[Hulkein]

Where in any of my posts have I said a certain race is more superior?

And no, I never even said that anyway. I said that I do believe certain races are more superior in certain areas because they are, it doesn't take much perception to realize this.

What I said was that I don't however believe that one race being better at X and another race being better at Y makes the first race better.. I also said that I don't ever judge an individual because he is a certain race because that would be a fallacy in itself also.

[Edited on 5-1-2004 by Hulkein]

[Weedmage Princess]

>>People keep responding to his argument fallaciously. He is not saying HE HIMSELF is better then everyone because he is white. He's arguing as a SOCIETY that certain races are better then others.

If you want proof, take a look at how the world is now and who, as nations and as races, are successful. Whether you come to the same conclussion as him as to who is the most successful is the question. <<

The way the bolded section in the second paragraph is written, can lead people to believe that you are saying you agree with that sentiment. That certain races are superior.

[Hulkein]

Well let me clarify first.

I do believe that certain races are superior in certain areas. For instance, blacks are more athletic.

Now, on to what I wrote. I wasn't putting in a personal opinion at all, I was explaining to Warriorbird that Testosterone has nothing to prove because this argument isn't about the individual, it is about societies as a whole. If he wishes to find proof, take a look at the world and draw your own conclussions. There is no stat or trend that everyone will agree on as 'superior.'

[Weedmage Princess]

Ah..I see.

Thanks for the clarification.

[Hulkein]

No problem. It's a touchy subject and when Testosterone argues it in the demeaning way he does it automatically forces people to draw conclusions about him (and rightfully so) but unfortunately also anyone who may agree with bits and pieces of what he says.

[Edited on 5-1-2004 by Hulkein]

[Ravenstorm]

Originally posted by Hulkein

He is not saying HE HIMSELF is better then everyone because he is white.

Just as a wild guess? I'm going to go out on a limb here and say he believes that he is superior to anyone who's black, Jewish, arabic, etc. I'm just getting that vibe from him for some strange reason.

If Testie would like to say otherwise, and profess being equal to and with, the non-white minorities, I will of course retract my statement.

Raven

[Hulkein]

You very well may be right with that assumption, however that isn't what is being argued here and that is my reason for pointing out that saying otherwise isn't debating the issue at hand.

[TheEschaton]

To argue Testy's points, then: He says its genetic, that genetic code argues a race's superiority in certain areas. That black people are genetically better to be athletes.

I say it is a product of environment. Coming from one common ancestor, the only reason we have evolved at all is that we migrated to different environments, which have shaped what we do. In a Northern European context, where half the year must be spent idle, different types of cultures arise.

Can this affect genes? Sure. In Northern Europe, people who were lighter skinned would be better adapted to the cold, and there would be positive selection for lighter skin. But specific skills, such as intelligence/athleticism cannot be grouped by very specific mutations such as those. Both draw on so many genes, which are all virtually identical amongst the "races".

Edited to add: And can this affect the society at large, in general? Sure? The first day of AP European History, our teacher said that European history was all about war. Why, he asked. Because they were all so close together, they constantly came in contact with each other.

Why did England conquer the world? Because it had an inferiority complex from being so small. It also had a need for a strong Navy, because otherwise they were restricted to an island.

I think I'm gonna go play Civ II now. Heh.

-TheE-



[Edited on 5-1-2004 by TheEschaton]

[Edaarin]

Part of being able to argue/debate effectively is coming across well towards your target audience.

He fails this part of the class.

[Testosterone]

You're an idiot.

Skin pigment is not the only evolutionary difference due to our environment.

Skeletal structure, cranial size, muscle fiber type, facial features, etc.

Numerous characteristics contributes to intelligence, and on average certain races exhibit higher IQ than others. It’s a fact.

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by TheEschaton
Why did England conquer the world? Because it had an inferiority complex from being so small.I thought it was because they beat the hell out of the Spanish, who were in charge before.

edit: And the reason they beat the Spanish? The Spanish were dumb and kicked all the Jews out of Spain. Cosmic moment, that.

[Edited on 5-1-2004 by Latrinsorm]

[Testosterone]

TheEschaton, you're the biggest fucking moron in the world.

Europeans conquered the world because we had the technology, will, and the right to. We are the superior race you fucking ignorant piece of shit. Why do you try to find excuses for every little thing that has any dealing with racial difference? Accept the facts.

BLACKS ARE FASTER. THE TOP 100 SPRINTING RECORDS IN THE 100 METER RACE ARE HELD BY A WESTERN AFRICAN. How much more CLEAR can this get? Blacks dominate basketball, football, etc due to their genetics.

Why can't you accept that there exist differences in our genes on a racial level when it's self-evident?]

[Edited on 5-1-2004 by Testosterone]

[Galleazzo]

I know there are 35 posts ahead of me, but reading them'd do me no good, when all I'd say is what I will anyway.

Testy, you're the jizz oozing out of Klaive's asshole. STFU already.

:stfu: :fu: :stfu: :fu: :stfu:

[Myshel]

>Numerous characteristics contributes to intelligence, and on average certain races exhibit higher IQ than others. It’s a fact.<

Being intelligent and having the common sense, compassion and logic to use said intelligence are two different things.

[Warriorbird]

My point was more that he needs to man up if he wants to prove his superiority, Hulkein.

[Jazuela]

IQ measures only your ability to take tests. It doesn't measure intelligence. I -suck- at test-taking, especially in a high-pressure timed environment.

However according to my Achievements in High School, which gave us two hours to write an essay on an assigned topic, I placed in the 1-percentile in the entire state.

I also got straight A's in every English Literature and Writing class I've taken since 4th grade all the way up through college. Prior to that, it was discovered that I was a speed-reader and I had difficulty reading out loud (which was the required method for reading classes) because my mouth would trip over the words and I'd stutter. They first thought I was reading disabled or had trouble with reading comprehension. Then they took tests that allowed me to read silently and explain what I had read, and found that I was actually reading at a high-school level, in 3rd grade.

IQ tests are nothing. They measure absolutely nothing about a person's intelligence. They measure -only- your ability to take timed tests.

[TheEschaton]

Why can't you accept that there exist differences in our genes on a racial level when it's self-evident?

Because I've studied genetics before, and....there isn't?


-TheE-

[Testosterone]

Originally posted by TheEschaton

Why can't you accept that there exist differences in our genes on a racial level when it's self-evident?

Because I've studied genetics before, and....there isn't?


-TheE-

It's no coincidence that you're a moron.

[Warriorbird]

Swell. Really converting followers there.

[Testosterone]

IQ tests are the premier test of intelligence. Another excuse. "I don't take tests well, therefore they're invalid measures of intelligence." Keep the excuses rolling.

IQ tests show western africans score about 30 IQ points less than caucasians. IQ tests are the premier test of intelligence, but intelligence does not always equal sucess. Although, in most cases it does. Any blatant moron can figure this out.

Jazuela, i guess you're pretty dumb.

[Galleazzo]

(rolleyes)

:troll:

[Fengus]

People that can't read english score considerably lower than people that can when taking any test written in english.