Umass Article

[Blazing247]

I'm not sure if this has been posted before, but I think we should take a trip up there just to beat this persons ass. Anyone else down?

Tillman is not a hero (http://www.dailycollegian.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2004/04/28/408f27f0591be?in_archive=1)

[Testosterone]

No, but if you're going to open your mouth, then back it up.

This person is obviously a marxist piece of shit and it is our fault for allowing people like this to express their ideas. They should have been burnt at the steak long ago.

Secondly, does it surprise you his last name is "Gonzalez"? Yes, Diversity is our strength. Look at this moron ridiculing a white american that died so piece of shit scum like this mexican moron could immigrate to this once great nation.

[longshot]

I'm in.

This guy should go back to Puerto Rico in a wooden box.

I can't read the article, but I assume this is the one where they are "Tillman was just a dumb jock etc etc" If so, Yea these people are idiots and probaly wouldn't have the balls to even acknowledge who they are in front of a real soldier. fuck em.


Testerone: being a minority and a soldier who has served with many other minorities and immigrants you can STFU. Until you dawn a uniform and do the job, eat a dick.

[Testosterone]

Why do you guys act like you actually care? Where was the outcry against immigration before he wrote this article?

Do you think he suddenly started feeling this way? It's been harboring since the day he set foot in this country. His parents taught him america was evil, yet they enjoy all the lavish benefits that living in america provide them. Fuck them, and fuck all other non European immigrants.

They don't assimilate into our population, they corrupt the system.

Go to a fucking islamic country and tell them to separate church and state. That shit doesn't happen there. You'd be fucking killed if you even said such a thing.

In america we have athiest assholes running around trying to get "Under god" taken out of the pledge.

In my philosophy class this bitch said that she didn't want to say "under god" and in her own words stated "what if you don't believe in america, why should you have to say the pledge?" I told her if she didn't believe, then pack up your bags and head out. She had no reply.

People like this are the scum of the earth.

[Testosterone]

Originally posted by RangerD1
Testerone: being a minority and a soldier who has served with many other minorities and immigrants you can STFU. Until you dawn a uniform and do the job, eat a dick.

I don't care about you, clown. Maybe Africa is more suitable than the military? I highly doubt it though.

[TheEschaton]

Maybe she was speechless, because here in 2004, we like to think 1939 is 75 years in the past.


-TheE-

[Tsa`ah]

Ranger's the clown? Africa more suitable for him?

Care to hop on that boat and take your ass back to Europe bitch?

You status as an aboriginal is highly doubtful.

Who gave you permission to access the internet?

I think I'll start charging you interest on that quarter.

[Testosterone]

Every one of the Founding Fathers were european. Many of the Founding Fathers owned slaves.

It was not an african who wrote the Declaration of Independence.

[Edited on 4-30-2004 by Testosterone]

[DeV]

Originally posted by Testosterone
I don't care about you, clown. Maybe Africa is more suitable than the military? I highly doubt it though.
The only place in Africa suitable for you is bent over while getting ass-rapped by an AIDS infected gorilla. Its people like Testy that make me sick we have 20% of minorities in the military going to war to fight for losers like this to have their freedom.

[TheEschaton]

Thomas Jefferson was going to put in anti-slavery sentiments into the Constitution, but didn't because the South vowed to not ratify it if he did so.

Washington realized the wrongs of slavery. Jefferson found them equal enough to sleep with, at the very least. So does Strom Thurmond.

And hell, it was another European-American, Abraham Lincoln, who set out to free them all. Was he suffering from multiculturalism too?

Was Britain suffering from multiculturalism when they banned slavery decades before the U.S. did? HOw about France, who never had a slave trade (as far as I know)?

-TheE-

[Testosterone]

Thomas Jefferson stated that there was nothing more certain than africans being free, but also that europeans and africans could never live togethor under the same government.

[Edited on 4-30-2004 by Testosterone]

[DeV]

Originally posted by Testosterone
Thomas Jefferson stated that there was nothing more certain than africans being free, but also that europeans and africans could never live togethor under the same government.

[Edited on 4-30-2004 by Testosterone] Sleeping with the enemy. Hmmm, this man has more blacks in his family than any of the other founding fathers I'd bet.

[Testosterone]

Sleep with or rape?

Yes, they were "equal" enough to rape, i guess. I guess hormones take control of mans rationality often. Sad, but so.

They were still great men, even though they did bad deeds.

[Testosterone]

P.S.

They can never be forgiven for racial treason.

[Mistomeer]

Originally posted by TheEschaton
Thomas Jefferson was going to put in anti-slavery sentiments into the Constitution, but didn't because the South vowed to not ratify it if he did so.

Jefferson liked slaves so much he owned plenty.


Washington realized the wrongs of slavery. Jefferson found them equal enough to sleep with, at the very least. So does Strom Thurmond.

That's like saying a boss that forces a secretary into sex sees her as equal. I'm not sure that's the case.


And hell, it was another European-American, Abraham Lincoln, who set out to free them all. Was he suffering from multiculturalism too?

Ever read the Emancipation Proclamation? Lincoln didn't "free them all"


Was Britain suffering from multiculturalism when they banned slavery decades before the U.S. did? HOw about France, who never had a slave trade (as far as I know)?
-TheE-

I'm not saying I think slavery was right by any means. However, the people in power at that time, in all the countries, didn't actually do much to put an end to it.

[TheEschaton]

Jefferson owned them, yes, but he was still going to put in the provisions into the Amendment making Africans equal under the rights of the law. Instead, the Southern states made him put in parts of the Constitution protecting slavery, which were later nullified by the 14th (?, I can never remember the numbers right) Amendment.

-TheE-

[Testosterone]

I agree. Liberia was created as a homeland for the african slaves that were to be departed from America. Lincoln was assassinated before he could implement such a program.


…and that the effort to colonize persons of African descent with their consent of upon this continent or elsewhere, with the previously obtained consent of the governments existing there, will be continued. (From the emancipation proclamation issued from President Lincoln on Sept. 22, 1862)



[Edited on 4-30-2004 by Testosterone]

[DeV]

Originally posted by Testosterone
Sleep with or rape?

Yes, they were "equal" enough to rape, i guess. I guess hormones take control of mans rationality often. Sad, but so.

They were still great men, even though they did bad deeds. The act of sticking the pure white dick into the black slave pussy must have really boosted Jefferson's view of himself and made him feel all the better. All he did was add to the race mixing, and create human lives that remain apart of his bloodline even to this day. He was a hypocrit, a walking contradiction as most of them were in that day. These were our founding fathers.

[Testosterone]

There was no issue of multiculturalism back then. Whites owned black slaved, PERIOD.

Every white on the planet knew that negroids were their inferior. They never imagined what we have today, a national with no identity. They had intercourse with negroids, and did not think much about it, except the pleasure they got. They cannot be forgiven for this sinful deed, but it's what happened.

Your analogy is totally false and plain stupid. Having sex with someone does not connote that you harbor any thoughts of equality with them. Jefferson did nothing to be claimed hypocritical.

Christ. You're kidding me. I served with quite a few people in the military and I'll say for certain that blacks and other minorities perform their missions very well.

Saying that someone is inferior just because of their skin color is just plain stupid. Let's judge people by their actions. kthnx.

- Arkans

[DeV]

Did I say he felt equal to her? No. Was that your assumption? Yes.
I did not use an anaology, though your rationality is teh perfect so excuse my baseless rant. What I speak is truth. I don't know what he was thinking or feeling when he fucked her, all I know is that once you pro-created with that slave (That was so inferior to you you couldn't fuck your own pure white wife) he CREATED LIFE. It wasn't just rape and thats all, he bred mulattos.

[Testosterone]

Originally posted by Arkans
Christ. You're kidding me. I served with quite a few people in the military and I'll say for certain that blacks and other minorities perform their missions very well.

Saying that someone is inferior just because of their skin color is just plain stupid. Let's judge people by their actions. kthnx.

- Arkans

Who said such a thing you retard?

Originally posted by Testosterone

Originally posted by RangerD1
Testerone: being a minority and a soldier who has served with many other minorities and immigrants you can STFU. Until you dawn a uniform and do the job, eat a dick.

I don't care about you, clown. Maybe Africa is more suitable than the military? I highly doubt it though.

Wtf does that mean? My family has done more for this country then any of your inbred relatives ever will. So please, try and make me leave.

Originally posted by Testosterone
There was no issue of multiculturalism back then. Whites owned black slaved, PERIOD.

Every white on the planet knew that negroids were their inferior. They never imagined what we have today, a national with no identity. They had intercourse with negroids, and did not think much about it, except the pleasure they got. They cannot be forgiven for this sinful deed, but it's what happened.

Your analogy is totally false and plain stupid. Having sex with someone does not connote that you harbor any thoughts of equality with them. Jefferson did nothing to be claimed hypocritical.


Please enlighten us. Who was Abraham Lincoln's principal advisor during his tenure as president?

*hint* he wasn't white.

[Warriorbird]

The ironic thing is that the so-called "Aryan" genes are recessive.

[Warriorbird]

The whole white supremacy thing becomes like a religion. I'm from the South... I've seen it eat people up. A reason for being. Something to sit around and talk about while they do their steroids and pump iron. A reason to feel special. And until it gets out of line? They're welcome to it.

One of my coworkers beckoned a bunch of us together at a recent sale. He's from up north, and I think he was trying to be cool. He told a racist joke. There was some slight laughter... and some uncomfortable silences. I just felt bad for him, more than anything.

If you're really sort of supreme white being, man up and handle your own problems. Don't blame it on anyone else.

[Edaarin]

Somewhere in New York, a McDonald's is missing its afternoon shift burger flipper.

[Warriorbird]

Now, now. Don't limit him that much. Someday he may grow up and reach the glories of middle management... or sales. Though if he has this much trouble with non white folks he probably won't do very well at it.

[DeV]

Originally posted by Warriorbird
The whole white supremacy thing becomes like a religion. This is so true. Being proud of your race is one thing, blaming the troubles of society on anyone you feel is inferior to you is another. You need professional help or a good brick to the side of the head.

[Skirmisher]

Joe, you are a sad little man.

[Ravenstorm]

And here we go again...

Testie, Testie, Testie... Why don't you lie down on the couch and we'll chat?

I'm picking up on a lot of anger here. You really need to determine the cause so it stops eating away at you and you can finally be at peace. Now, I'm certainly no expert but I'm picking up on a lot of self hatred here that you're sublimating into anger at others. You're part Jewish aren't you? Or maybe one of your ancestors was black. Though they could certainly both be true, of course.

As long as you refuse to accept yourself for what you truly are you'll never be happy. Embrace your black Jewishness and claim your share of control of the world's monetary system. Put on your yarmulke, fluff your afro, and ask Tsa'ah for the secret password into the Star of David Chamber.

Now repeat after me:

"Let's have a party,
we'll all dance the horah."

With the natural rhythm of your black blood, learning Jewish folk dancing should be a snap for you. You'll be a lot happier. Really.

Raven

[DeV]

:lol:

And people ask me why I think people that abuse free speech and don't use contraceptives during sex should be shot.

- Arkans

[Hulkein]

If hating something means you're secretly that, then you need to embrace your conservative, republican roots Ravenstorm :D

[Weedmage Princess]

This thread is about a person who bashed (in my opinion) a man who loved his country so much he was willing go forego 18 million dollars a year (I believe that's what he was getting from the Cards..am I right?) to make 18,000 a year to fight for his country.

Let's keep in mind that in the AMERICAN military, we have AMERICANS of various ethnic backgrounds. Black, White, Hispanic, Asian and Native American. Let's not turn this into a racial issue because that's not what it's about. It's about an ungrateful schmuck who in my opinion should have been in NYC during 9/11. Perhaps then he could appreciate what was done here.

Anyway, let's try to keep that in mind, alright folks? I can guarantee you there are other AMERICANS with the last name Gonzalez that would crack this guy's head like a ripe melon for his comments if given the opportunity.

Stupid comes in EVERY color. Have a look at some of the posters on these very forums if you need proof.

[Ilvane]

Personally, I think while it's sad that he has died, it's sad that every other man and woman that has died there too. You don't see pages of articles on those people, do we?

I think they are all heros, really.

And the kid at U-Mass has a right to his opinion, just like the rest of us, even if we don't agree.

-A

[Tendarian]

And most everyone else has the right to think that kid at UMass is an ungrateful leech.

[Fengus]

Originally posted by Testosterone
In my philosophy class this bitch said that she didn't want to say "under god" and in her own words stated "what if you don't believe in america, why should you have to say the pledge?" I told her if she didn't believe, then pack up your bags and head out. She had no reply.

People like this are the scum of the earth.


You are not an american, you are a fool.

[SpunGirl]

That article was disgusting. Disagree with Bush all you want, but don't rip anyone to pieces who is spending 24/7 risking their life. Or someone who, in this case, is dead because of that.

I am beyond disgusted. Not only with this article, but with Testosterone as well.

-K

[Artha]

Personally, I think while it's sad that he has died, it's sad that every other man and woman that has died there too. You don't see pages of articles on those people, do we?

No disrespect intended, but this is probably because they didn't have a 3 million a year contract as an alternative.

edited to correct an error.

[Edited on 5-1-2004 by Artha]

[Warriorbird]

It was just 3 million a year. Doesn't stop my admiration for his sacrifice and willingness to go into battle... not in some sissified unit, either.

I my not entirely agree with the Bush administration's policies at all times, but that article was pathetic.

[SpunGirl]

I agree that it's sad that not every casualty gets mass media coverage like Tillman did. However, that's the media's fault. Not his fault personally. He never sought out media attention; in fact, after he announced his decision he avoided it all together.

-K

[Weedmage Princess]

Originally posted by SpunGirl
That article was disgusting. Disagree with Bush all you want, but don't rip anyone to pieces who is spending 24/7 risking their life. Or someone who, in this case, is dead because of that.

I am beyond disgusted. Not only with this article, but with Testosterone as well.

-K

You're not alone. This is one of those classic "This is a case where abortion would have been the best option" cases.

[Blazing247]

WTFO?

Testosterone, stop fucking up my thread, okay?

This isn't a white or minority issue, it's an issue of not pissing on someones grave while it's still fresh. Whether or not Rodriguez believes that Tillman is a hero, he should have had some tact. That the Tillman family was, no doubt, exposed to this piece of shit editorial so soon after the death of their family member is inexcusable.

As far as you questiong whether or not I will back up what I say? I am not someone who goes out of my way to do violence, but if I saw this fucker on the street he wouldn't be writing any editorials for 6-8 weeks while every bone in his body healed. It's easy to question my manhood on the message boards; in this instance, feel free to knock on my door and we'll sort your feelings out. I've posted my address before.

You and I agree on several issues, and it embarasses me to admit it because you put such a bad spin on things with your ignorant racism. As an example, I fully agree that we should stop the flood of immigration into this country, but it has nothing to do with white supremacy. It has very much to do with the financial and cultural burden that immigrants place on our country. So while I may agree with some of what you say, I disagree vehemently with the way you go about saying it. Oh well I guess, right?

[Edaarin]

Gonzalez got chewed out by the Dean in an open letter. It was a great read. His (the writer's) mealymouthed apology to the family was absolutely pathetic.

[SpunGirl]

Link to the letter?

-K

[Skirmisher]

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/3252841/detail.html

Thats one link.

[Testosterone]

Uh, yes it is.

A hispanic is criticizing a white person for his death in combat honoring his country. How much more clear can it get?

[Edited on 5-1-2004 by Testosterone]

[Edaarin]

Statement of UMass President Jack M. Wilson concerning Pat Tillman, taken from the Daily Collegian.



Thanks to Pat Tillman and the many other men and women who have fought and died for our freedom, Americans enjoy many rights, including the right to speak and write as they see fit. Because of that right, we can voice thoughtful, well-reasoned opinions, but the freedom of speech that we treasure also protects expressions that are odious, wrong-headed and vile.



While I recognize Rene Gonzalez's right of free speech, I must also assert my right of free speech to criticize what he said. The comments of Rene Gonzalez in the April 28 Daily Collegian are a disgusting, arrogant and intellectually immature attack on a human being who died in service to his country. We are fortunate that so many people like Pat Tillman have made the sacrifices necessary to protect the free speech rights of Mr. Gonzalez, myself and our fellow citizens.



It is Mr. Gonzalez's right to be wrong, as he is in this case. It is a right that Pat Tillman and many others have fought to defend. Mr. Gonzalez owes Pat Tillman a debt of gratitude and an apology to the Tillman family and friends.

[SpunGirl]

That's awesome. Go Dean. And Testosterone, just because it happens to be a Hispanic person bashing Tillman doesn't mean there aren't just as many white people out there who also bash our armed forces.... there are also a lot of non-white military personnell. Really, this is NOT a race issue. I guess that's hard for you to see through your beady little-eyed view of the world, so I'll forgive you for your stupidity.

-K

[Galleazzo]

Who was it who said that you could tell the kind of person a Klansman was by looking at the shabby brown shoes under the sheets?

You just know Testy's a loser who asked a dark skinned gal to the prom, she pointed at his crotch and laughed, and he never got over it. Still obsesses about it while he empties the trash cans at work.

Anyway, Blazing, the Collegian was a frigging rag when I visited the Zoo in the seventies, it was a frigging rag when I spent a semester up there in the eighties, and it was a frigging rag when I lived in the Valley in the nineties. Ain't nothing new.

It could be worse. I bet no one on the PC knows what "NUMMO NEWS" was.


[Edited on 5/1/2004 by Galleazzo]

[Testosterone]

Originally posted by Warriorbird
The ironic thing is that the so-called "Aryan" genes are recessive.

What does that have anything to do with the genes being favorable?

Recessive genes are often favorable, even though the alleles don't express themselves in the phenotype. I'm sure you knew this..

[Weedmage Princess]

I started to reply to Testosterone, but then I realized it would just be a waste of time.

Enjoy life wallowing in the mud.

[Warriorbird]

Unless of course you gauge the number of negative genes... in which case recessives come out very very far ahead.

[Testosterone]

Also many of the genes you're talking about are not recessive. Black skin is not dominant to white skin. This is blatantly obvious when racial treason occurs, in which the offspring is a darker than the white parent, and lighter than the black.

It's called incomplete dominance, and i'm sure you've heard of it.

[Skirmisher]

Originally posted by Testosterone
Also many of the genes you're talking about are not recessive. Black skin is not dominant to white skin. This is blatantly obvious when racial treason occurs, in which the offspring is a darker than the white parent, and lighter than the black.

It's called incomplete dominance, and i'm sure you've heard of it.

You still here?

Don't you have a cross burning or rally somewhere to get to.

Run along now. Shoo.

[Hulkein]

:spam:

[Fengus]

Originally posted by Warriorbird
Unless of course you gauge the number of negative genes... in which case recessives come out very very far ahead.

Some people don't know what they hell they are talking about.

You have one container, but you have two things to put in that container. This is a dilemma, how do you solve the problem? Simple, you make a rule to control precedence.

It should be obvious that genes are just chemicals and thus are not making any enlightened selection nor "logical" selection. To say anything about recessive genes having some negative factor in life is just plain stupid.


The mixed color thing is so obvious to me that its hard to believe anyone thinks differently. But first realize we are talking about a creature that's purpose is to procreate, anything that supports that ability is a good thing. In the case of a black man or woman, and a white man or woman, the existance of both proves that both are successful organisms and in most cases the offspring are somewhere in between, so its obvious that the gene splits the difference to some extent. Genes aren't gonna put all their eggs in one basket unless the have to.

[Galleazzo]

:troll: