We discuss other NBA trades in this thread

[Keller]

LOL BARON DAVIS LOL.

I don't like him and I like seeing unfortunate things happen to people I don't like.

He goes from setting up Eric Gordon and Blake Griffin to Manny Harris and JJ Hickson.

LOL!

Also, fuck you Jordan Crawford. We don't want you.

[Drew]

Yeah, I give it two weeks before Baron totally shuts it down. The best thing that happened to his career was Blake Griffin, otherwise Baron hadn't cared since 2008.

[RichardCranium]

He and Byron Scott got along so well in New Orleans, too. Should be awesome to watch for the rest of the year. Just not on the court.

[Latrinsorm]

I was really staggered until I remembered that the Clippers made this trade, and then it made perfect sense. This is exactly what makes the pissing and moaning about parity in the face of player-driven movement so transparent and hypocritical.

I continue to be really staggered by the Celtics trading Perkins though. Where is Jeff Green even going to fit? Are they going to start him at PF and Garnett at C? Are they expecting him to come off the bench? It's a little late to acquire him as a trade chip. Weird all the way around.

[Rimalon]

OKC wins the West. You heard it here.

[Keller]

Because they got a center with a busted knee and Muggsy Bogues?

[Drakefang]

So, what are these trades you folks are discussing?

[Keller]

That one is Kendrick Perkins and Nate Robinson for Nenad Kristic and Jeff Green.

The other is Baron David to the Cavs for Mo Williams.

[Drakefang]

Jesus, the Cavs went from shitty to even worse. Did they get a draft pick?

I've heard of Kristic. Not sure how good he is. Is Jeff Green the one who came from...Georgetown? Seems like giving up a solid role player like KP was stupid.

[Ardwen]

Celtics badly needed someone to backup Pierce, Daniels out for the year is probably why this deal got done, Celtics werent going to sign Perk after the season, they get a 1st rounder in this too, Green will fill aroll. Question is how much defensive loss is there with no Perk in the playoffs, unless of course Celtcs decided Perks knees werent worth the risk.

[Rimalon]

Draft picks and cash considerations not listed... and re: Cleveland, as far as I know, Cleveland got a 2011 first rounder from the Clippers for B. Diddy (although, this year's draft is top heavy and widely considered TERRIBLE)

* Nazr Mohammed to the Thunder.
* Marquis Daniels to the Kings.
* Aaron Brooks to the Suns for Goran Dragic.
* Semih Erden and Luke Harangody to the Cavaliers.
* Gerald Wallace to the Blazers.
* Jeff Green to Boston for Kendrick Perkins and Nate Robinson.
* Shane Battier to the Grizzlies for Hasheem Thabeet.
* Kirk Hinrich to the Hawks for Mike Bibby.
* Baron Davis to Cleveland for Mo Williams and Jamario Moon.
* Deron Williams to the Nets.
* Carmelo Anthony to the Knicks.
* Carl Landry to the Hornets.
* Troy Murphy to Golden State for Brandan Wright and Dan Gadzuric.
* James Johnson to the Raptors.

[Latrinsorm]

Jesus, the Cavs went from shitty to even worse. Did they get a draft pick?Yes, and they still have their 2011 first rounder. Clippers are currently #8 and with a downgrade like this are probably going to slip, the Cavs could conceivably get 2 of the top 5 picks.
I've heard of Kristic. Not sure how good he is. Is Jeff Green the one who came from...Georgetown? Seems like giving up a solid role player like KP was stupid.Perkins is better than Krstic in every relevant way, is younger, and by all accounts is a gentle and thorough lover. Unless the recent knee injury is a lot more severe than everyone was led to believe, the trade is terrible for Boston and incredible for OKC.
Celtics badly needed someone to backup Pierce, Daniels out for the year is probably why this deal got done, Celtics werent going to sign Perk after the season, they get a 1st rounder in this too, Green will fill aroll. Question is how much defensive loss is there with no Perk in the playoffs, unless of course Celtcs decided Perks knees werent worth the risk.Pierce will play 40 minutes a game in the playoffs just like always, 8 minutes of Jeff Green isn't worth 30 minutes of Perkins. Looking to next year is understandable except they have a real shot at winning it all this year, and their age window is very rapidly closing. I don't buy it.

[Latrinsorm]

Carl Landry to the Hornets.That's a great trade for the Hornets, Landry is a beast.

[Drew]

LOL BARON DAVIS LOL.

"As a Clippers season-ticket holder, I'm torn: Baron is one of those guys who feeds off the crowd, but if the crowd sucks, he just feeds himself" - Bill Simmons discussing how much weight Baron Davis is going to gain.

[DoctorUnne]

The trade isn't nearly as bad for boston as you are making it out to be. First, perk was a liability on offense and he didn't even play crunch time because the defense would be able to ignore him in addition to rondo, making it too tough on the big three. Second, we will only miss him on defense against orlando (who doesn't worry me at all) and the lakers, who may not even make the finals. And if they do maybe shaq goes batshit against his old team and destroys bynum and gasol. Whereas green can give 20 pts off the bench and he can defend lebron which frees up pierce to not spend so much energy. Also green can play the 4 in a small ball lineup. Its not like he's only going to play when pierce is on the bench.

[Solkern]

the trade is terrible for Boston and incredible for OKC.Pierce will play 40 minutes a game in the playoffs just like always, 8 minutes of Jeff Green isn't worth 30 minutes of Perkins. Looking to next year is understandable except they have a real shot at winning it all this year, and their age window is very rapidly closing. I don't buy it.


Why? Last I checked the C's did fucking fantastic against everyone so far, with Perk on the bench.

What's there record 47-10 Without Perkins, and 4-5 with Perkins?
3-0 against the magic this year, 2-0 without Perk? and there best defensive game against the magic was without Perk as well
they Held Howard to 4-10 shooting 6 points.

Perkins is an overrated role player, C's got way better with this deal.

Krstic is a beast, 15.2 points as a third option. Having him, will save PP from playing 40 mins a game and be fresh for the playoffs
We also have 3 open roster spots, to re-sign Leon Powe, and another big man or two
Plus with Shaq sitting on the bench for the rest of the season, him and JO will be fresh for the playoffs, and I'm sure they'll have enough gas to make it through the playoffs

[Latrinsorm]

Why? Last I checked the C's did fucking fantastic against everyone so far, with Perk on the bench.

What's there record 47-10 Without Perkins, and 4-5 with Perkins?
3-0 against the magic this year, 2-0 without Perk? and there best defensive game against the magic was without Perk as well
they Held Howard to 4-10 shooting 6 points.

Perkins is an overrated role player, C's got way better with this deal.

Krstic is a beast, 15.2 points as a third option. Having him, will save PP from playing 40 mins a game and be fresh for the playoffs
We also have 3 open roster spots, to re-sign Leon Powe, and another big man or two
Plus with Shaq sitting on the bench for the rest of the season, him and JO will be fresh for the playoffs, and I'm sure they'll have enough gas to make it through the playoffsDrew, I'm sorry I told you not to be a homer. I obviously had no frame of reference.
The trade isn't nearly as bad for boston as you are making it out to be. First, perk was a liability on offense and he didn't even play crunch time because the defense would be able to ignore him in addition to rondo, making it too tough on the big three. Second, we will only miss him on defense against orlando (who doesn't worry me at all) and the lakers, who may not even make the finals. And if they do maybe shaq goes batshit against his old team and destroys bynum and gasol. Whereas green can give 20 pts off the bench and he can defend lebron which frees up pierce to not spend so much energy. Also green can play the 4 in a small ball lineup. Its not like he's only going to play when pierce is on the bench.Perkins was definitely a liability offensively, but the point is that Krstic is even worse, AND he's not as good a defender, AND he can't rebound, AND he hasn't spent 4 years establishing chemistry with the rest of the team. You aren't significantly improving your crunch time because Green isn't a significant improvement over Davis - he might not be an improvement at all.

An interior defensive presence is crucial for perimeter defense. It's not like Green is the second coming of Ron Artest, he's going to need help against the LeBrons of the world. This could legitimately be Kevin Garnett's last year, what then? Jermaine O'Neal's last year was 3 years ago, Shaq is on track to play about 40 games next year, if that. The Celtics gave up balance to address a phantom need. It's a panic move. It happens.

[Ardwen]

It was a business move, Ainge and I assume the owners thought they could get further with a revamped team then with the guys they had, The Harangody Erden trade bothers me more then the perkins deal, They pretty much got nothing there and both of those kids played well when given a chance and werent making any money by professional standards. I wouldn't be surprised if Jermaine didnt play another game this season, he's been mostly worthless when he's been in the game anyway. Shaq is reportedly completely ready to go and just chilling because they feel they dont need to waste his legs yet.

[Solkern]

An interior defensive presence is crucial for perimeter defense. It's not like Green is the second coming of Ron Artest, he's going to need help against the LeBrons of the world. This could legitimately be Kevin Garnett's last year, what then? Jermaine O'Neal's last year was 3 years ago, Shaq is on track to play about 40 games next year, if that. The Celtics gave up balance to address a phantom need. It's a panic move. It happens.

Did you see the last Miami, and Celtics game?

Didn't Rondo shut down Lebron?

[Solkern]

Drew, I'm sorry I told you not to be a homer. I obviously had no frame of reference.Perkins was definitely a liability offensively, but the point is that Krstic is even worse, AND he's not as good a defender, AND he can't rebound, AND he hasn't spent 4 years establishing chemistry with the rest of the team. You aren't significantly improving your crunch time because Green isn't a significant improvement over Davis - he might not be an improvement at all.


I would agree with you about Krstic, the only problem is, Boston was an awesome Defensive team without Perkins. So having Krstic won't make things any worse.
Things can only get better with the increase production on offense

I just don't see how Boston, lost in this trade at all.

They were playing championship calibur Basketball ALL season with Perk on the bench, now that we trade him away, we got worse?
It doesn't add up.
I can see if Perkin made strong contribution to the season so far, but he hasn't.
He has pretty much taken up nothing but a roster spot so far.

[DoctorUnne]

I never said krstic was better than perk. But green filled a gaping need we had and the new hole losing perk opens up isn't as important if shaq can contribute. Glen davis cannot create his own shot. Green can and he's a much better scorer. We lost game 7 not only because we couldn't rebound but we didn't have enough offensive firepower. I don't think the trade was a home run for boston by any means and its tough to evaluate because the pieces we gave up were different from the pieces we added, but if you think the trade was horrible for boston you must not watch them enough on tv

[Latrinsorm]

Did you see the last Miami, and Celtics game?

Didn't Rondo shut down Lebron?Rondo repeatedly fouled LeBron (who still had 22/7/7 btw). If you think he's getting away with that in a playoff game you're crazy.
I would agree with you about Krstic, the only problem is, Boston was an awesome Defensive team without Perkins. So having Krstic won't make things any worse.
Things can only get better with the increase production on offense

I just don't see how Boston, lost in this trade at all.

They were playing championship calibur Basketball ALL season with Perk on the bench, now that we trade him away, we got worse?
It doesn't add up.
I can see if Perkin made strong contribution to the season so far, but he hasn't.
He has pretty much taken up nothing but a roster spot so far.It baffles me that you think Krstic is better offensively than Perkins, or really better in any way.

Boston was a very good defensive team so far this year, probably the best in the league. Putting in a strong defensive center is what made them awesome in 2008, and what would have made them awesome this year. Very good is nothing to sneeze at, but why give up being awesome?

And finally, you can't win a championship in December, January, or February. For starters, the Celtics are one of the worst rebounding teams in the NBA, which is not a good characteristic to have if you're vying for a championship.
But green filled a gaping need we had and the new hole losing perk opens up isn't as important if shaq can contribute.Would you like to ask the good people of Phoenix and Cleveland how that went?
Glen davis cannot create his own shot. Green can and he's a much better scorer. We lost game 7 not only because we couldn't rebound but we didn't have enough offensive firepower. I don't think the trade was a home run for boston by any means and its tough to evaluate because the pieces we gave up were different from the pieces we added, but if you think the trade was horrible for boston you must not watch them enough on tvLet's take that as true, that Green is a much better scorer. Are you really comfortable with a crunch time lineup of Rondo, Allen, Pierce, Green, and Garnett? That doesn't strike you as painfully undersized, painfully bad at rebounding, almost completely lacking in shot-blocking? I agree that Glen Davis isn't great, but do you expect switching Green for him is really going to change anything as far as results go?

And if people creating their own shot was the problem, why get rid of Robinson?

[Solkern]

It baffles me that you think Krstic is better offensively than Perkins, or really better in any way.


How can someone who is averaging 15.2 points, not an upgrade over someone who averages like 1 point?

[RSR]

Probably because Kristic isn't averaging 15.2 PPG, he averages 7.6 PPG, and 10.1 for his career. And 4.4 RPG.

Perkins average is 7.3 PPG, 8.1 RPG.

Nate 7.1 PPG, 1.9 APG, 1.6 RPG.

Jeff Green is the one averaging 15.2 PPG, 5.6 RPG, and 1.8 APG.

It's an interesting trade and we won't really know how good it is for Boston until the playoffs. If OKC knocks the Lakers out of the playoffs and Boston can get through the East without Perk, the trade will look a lot better for Boston. If the C's get beat because of lack of interior defense, it'll look like a terrible trade.

Personally I think it's a decent trade for both teams, with OKC getting the better of it. Filled a huge hole for them while sacrificing a slight amount of offense. For the Celts, it created a hole on defense, but filled a big need and gives them some flexibility in the lineup that they didn't previously have. And likely nets them a young player that they can retain, which wasn't a sure thing with Perkins.

-Richard.

[Ardwen]

Read somewhere Perk is out 2-3 weeks with an mcl sprain, will be interesting to see just how much he will play don the stretch. In Boston he stated a desire to test the free agent waters, first quote now that he's in OKC is that his preference is to signing there, interesting change of heart if it really is one. And maybe something the Celtcs knew in advance.

[Latrinsorm]

Perkins signed to a 4 year extension, glad that's working out for him.

Murphy signs with the Celtics. At first I thought it was pretty good, Murphy's on the downslope of his career but you don't give up anything to get him, so he's found money. Then I thought... when is he going to play? He can play center a little, but he's much more suited to the backup PF spot, only that's definitely where Davis fits (and pretty much where Green fits, for that matter). I'm really interested to see what Doc's rotation will look like.

[Ardwen]

Murphy was signed so the heat didnt sign him and they had an empty spot more then any real use for him, Heat I assume will get Bibby and whatever tall corpse is left, Powe maybe?