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Itachi
02-14-2011, 01:19 AM
Very interesting article.

Technologist Raymond Kurzweil has a radical vision for humanity's immortal future



On Feb. 15, 1965, a diffident but self-possessed high school student named Raymond Kurzweil appeared as a guest on a game show called I've Got a Secret. He was introduced by the host, Steve Allen, then he played a short musical composition on a piano. The idea was that Kurzweil was hiding an unusual fact and the panelists — they included a comedian and a former Miss America — had to guess what it was.

On the show, the beauty queen did a good job of grilling Kurzweil, but the comedian got the win: the music was composed by a computer. Kurzweil got $200.

Kurzweil then demonstrated the computer, which he built himself — a desk-size affair with loudly clacking relays, hooked up to a typewriter. The panelists were pretty blasé about it; they were more impressed by Kurzweil's age than by anything he'd actually done. They were ready to move on to Mrs. Chester Loney of Rough and Ready, Calif., whose secret was that she'd been President Lyndon Johnson's first-grade teacher.

But Kurzweil would spend much of the rest of his career working out what his demonstration meant. Creating a work of art is one of those activities we reserve for humans and humans only. It's an act of self-expression; you're not supposed to be able to do it if you don't have a self. To see creativity, the exclusive domain of humans, usurped by a computer built by a 17-year-old is to watch a line blur that cannot be unblurred, the line between organic intelligence and artificial intelligence.

That was Kurzweil's real secret, and back in 1965 nobody guessed it. Maybe not even him, not yet. But now, 46 years later, Kurzweil believes that we're approaching a moment when computers will become intelligent, and not just intelligent but more intelligent than humans. When that happens, humanity — our bodies, our minds, our civilization — will be completely and irreversibly transformed. He believes that this moment is not only inevitable but imminent. According to his calculations, the end of human civilization as we know it is about 35 years away.

Computers are getting faster. Everybody knows that. Also, computers are getting faster faster — that is, the rate at which they're getting faster is increasing.

True? True.

So if computers are getting so much faster, so incredibly fast, there might conceivably come a moment when they are capable of something comparable to human intelligence. Artificial intelligence. All that horsepower could be put in the service of emulating whatever it is our brains are doing when they create consciousness — not just doing arithmetic very quickly or composing piano music but also driving cars, writing books, making ethical decisions, appreciating fancy paintings, making witty observations at cocktail parties.

If you can swallow that idea, and Kurzweil and a lot of other very smart people can, then all bets are off. From that point on, there's no reason to think computers would stop getting more powerful. They would keep on developing until they were far more intelligent than we are. Their rate of development would also continue to increase, because they would take over their own development from their slower-thinking human creators. Imagine a computer scientist that was itself a super-intelligent computer. It would work incredibly quickly. It could draw on huge amounts of data effortlessly. It wouldn't even take breaks to play Farmville.

Probably. It's impossible to predict the behavior of these smarter-than-human intelligences with which (with whom?) we might one day share the planet, because if you could, you'd be as smart as they would be. But there are a lot of theories about it. Maybe we'll merge with them to become super-intelligent cyborgs, using computers to extend our intellectual abilities the same way that cars and planes extend our physical abilities. Maybe the artificial intelligences will help us treat the effects of old age and prolong our life spans indefinitely. Maybe we'll scan our consciousnesses into computers and live inside them as software, forever, virtually. Maybe the computers will turn on humanity and annihilate us. The one thing all these theories have in common is the transformation of our species into something that is no longer recognizable as such to humanity circa 2011. This transformation has a name: the Singularity.

The difficult thing to keep sight of when you're talking about the Singularity is that even though it sounds like science fiction, it isn't, no more than a weather forecast is science fiction. It's not a fringe idea; it's a serious hypothesis about the future of life on Earth. There's an intellectual gag reflex that kicks in anytime you try to swallow an idea that involves super-intelligent immortal cyborgs, but suppress it if you can, because while the Singularity appears to be, on the face of it, preposterous, it's an idea that rewards sober, careful evaluation.

Continue reading, if you're interested ...

http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,2048138-2,00.html

SuckerFish
02-14-2011, 01:40 AM
Very interesting article.

Technologist Raymond Kurzweil has a radical vision for humanity's immortal future



On Feb. 15, 1965, a diffident but self-possessed high school student named Raymond Kurzweil appeared as a guest on a game show called I've Got a Secret. He was introduced by the host, Steve Allen, then he played a short musical composition on a piano. The idea was that Kurzweil was hiding an unusual fact and the panelists — they included a comedian and a former Miss America — had to guess what it was.

On the show, the beauty queen did a good job of grilling Kurzweil, but the comedian got the win: the music was composed by a computer. Kurzweil got $200.

Kurzweil then demonstrated the computer, which he built himself — a desk-size affair with loudly clacking relays, hooked up to a typewriter. The panelists were pretty blasé about it; they were more impressed by Kurzweil's age than by anything he'd actually done. They were ready to move on to Mrs. Chester Loney of Rough and Ready, Calif., whose secret was that she'd been President Lyndon Johnson's first-grade teacher.

But Kurzweil would spend much of the rest of his career working out what his demonstration meant. Creating a work of art is one of those activities we reserve for humans and humans only. It's an act of self-expression; you're not supposed to be able to do it if you don't have a self. To see creativity, the exclusive domain of humans, usurped by a computer built by a 17-year-old is to watch a line blur that cannot be unblurred, the line between organic intelligence and artificial intelligence.

That was Kurzweil's real secret, and back in 1965 nobody guessed it. Maybe not even him, not yet. But now, 46 years later, Kurzweil believes that we're approaching a moment when computers will become intelligent, and not just intelligent but more intelligent than humans. When that happens, humanity — our bodies, our minds, our civilization — will be completely and irreversibly transformed. He believes that this moment is not only inevitable but imminent. According to his calculations, the end of human civilization as we know it is about 35 years away.

Computers are getting faster. Everybody knows that. Also, computers are getting faster faster — that is, the rate at which they're getting faster is increasing.

True? True.

So if computers are getting so much faster, so incredibly fast, there might conceivably come a moment when they are capable of something comparable to human intelligence. Artificial intelligence. All that horsepower could be put in the service of emulating whatever it is our brains are doing when they create consciousness — not just doing arithmetic very quickly or composing piano music but also driving cars, writing books, making ethical decisions, appreciating fancy paintings, making witty observations at cocktail parties.

If you can swallow that idea, and Kurzweil and a lot of other very smart people can, then all bets are off. From that point on, there's no reason to think computers would stop getting more powerful. They would keep on developing until they were far more intelligent than we are. Their rate of development would also continue to increase, because they would take over their own development from their slower-thinking human creators. Imagine a computer scientist that was itself a super-intelligent computer. It would work incredibly quickly. It could draw on huge amounts of data effortlessly. It wouldn't even take breaks to play Farmville.

Probably. It's impossible to predict the behavior of these smarter-than-human intelligences with which (with whom?) we might one day share the planet, because if you could, you'd be as smart as they would be. But there are a lot of theories about it. Maybe we'll merge with them to become super-intelligent cyborgs, using computers to extend our intellectual abilities the same way that cars and planes extend our physical abilities. Maybe the artificial intelligences will help us treat the effects of old age and prolong our life spans indefinitely. Maybe we'll scan our consciousnesses into computers and live inside them as software, forever, virtually. Maybe the computers will turn on humanity and annihilate us. The one thing all these theories have in common is the transformation of our species into something that is no longer recognizable as such to humanity circa 2011. This transformation has a name: the Singularity.

The difficult thing to keep sight of when you're talking about the Singularity is that even though it sounds like science fiction, it isn't, no more than a weather forecast is science fiction. It's not a fringe idea; it's a serious hypothesis about the future of life on Earth. There's an intellectual gag reflex that kicks in anytime you try to swallow an idea that involves super-intelligent immortal cyborgs, but suppress it if you can, because while the Singularity appears to be, on the face of it, preposterous, it's an idea that rewards sober, careful evaluation.

Continue reading, if you're interested ...

http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,2048138-2,00.html

Man can never be immortal. Problem solved.

(Everything physical can be destroyed somehow)

A Human Being with robot parts is still a Human Being. Just with robot parts.

TheEschaton
02-14-2011, 01:44 AM
Yeah, we studied this in computer science, even ten years ago. It's an extension of Moore's law.

TheEschaton
02-14-2011, 01:45 AM
P.S. Skynet is coming.

SuckerFish
02-14-2011, 01:48 AM
P.S. Skynet is coming.

Unless we get knocked back to the Stone Age. Again.....

Stanley Burrell
02-14-2011, 02:48 AM
Scientific laws, which could be programmed into a godlike intelligent device, didn't originate from an emotion. No inorganic mechanism should be self-aware, but why would we even begin to assume ... that we could assume what a superior intelligence would view as power?

And wouldn't the intelligence ultimately reach a restriction on knowledge due to what comprises its foundation? Obviously, it could keep calculating pi -- But what about quantum events that require entire new sets of principles to understand, even for a machine plugged into God?

I think we're too conceited to allow the construction of such a device without a serious effort to create near-flawless fail-safes. Why would it be a hive mind?

phantasm
02-14-2011, 09:11 AM
http://www.nassauchurch.org/cemetery/images/kurt_godel.jpg
Lol, denied.

RichardCranium
02-14-2011, 09:56 AM
Hopefully they'll revisit the power glove in 2045.

Latrinsorm
02-14-2011, 02:15 PM
There are two major issues with this hypothesis.
Computers are getting faster. Everybody knows that. Also, computers are getting faster faster — that is, the rate at which they're getting faster is increasing.

True? True.Physics: are there fundamental limits on the size of functional components? Put another way, can our macroscopic concepts of a transistor even exist at a literally indefinitely microscopic level?
So if computers are getting so much faster, so incredibly fast, there might conceivably come a moment when they are capable of something comparable to human intelligence. Artificial intelligence.Psychology, or philosophy: what does "human intelligence" actually mean, and can it be simulated? Is it just a brain, and does that help or hurt the process? Take the statement "In that year... the quantity of artificial intelligence created will be about a billion times the sum of all the human intelligence that exists today." How do you sum intelligence?

And as a minor semantics issue, exponential growth does not lead to a singularity in finite time. Dr. Kurzweil needs to talk to more math guys.

Makkah
02-14-2011, 02:35 PM
http://images2.memegenerator.net/ImageMacro/4638711/I-know-kung-fu-impressed.jpg

Androidpk
02-14-2011, 02:47 PM
There are two major issues with this hypothesis.Physics: are there fundamental limits on the size of functional components? Put another way, can our macroscopic concepts of a transistor even exist at a literally indefinitely microscopic level?

Quantum computing is closer than you think.

Suppa Hobbit Mage
02-14-2011, 02:53 PM
I can't wait for nanites or whatever they are called that are microscopic and injected to fight diseases, cut out cancer, unclog arteries/veins, increase boob size, mend broken limbs, repair severed nerves and restore vision. Important shit like that.

Drew
02-14-2011, 02:53 PM
Quantum computing is closer than you think.

10 years away at best. But I think that's a very optimistic guess.



Anyway, I just read an article on arstechnica where some researchers estimated that all the computing power in the world was equal to a single human brain if that gives any perspective.

Buckwheet
02-14-2011, 02:54 PM
I just would like to know how all the super computer intelligence will resolve the power crisis to achieve such intelligence.

Until then, we can just unplug them.

Suppa Hobbit Mage
02-14-2011, 02:55 PM
I just would like to know how all the super computer intelligence will resolve the power crisis to achieve such intelligence.

Until then, we can just unplug them.

Or not pay our electric bills...