Hitler TV Special

[GSTamral]

So I'm sick today and home from work, and Cinemax has a two part documentary about Hitler. In the first, it is apparently proven that Hitler, was in fact, a honosexual. In the second part, they discuss how it was Goebells who basically played Hitler as a puppet of the party, using his ability to speak publicly to get across his madness and propaganda.

Conclusions: Hitler was too stupid to be promoted in the army. Hitler was gay.

Please discuss.

[Latrinsorm]

Was Hitler even in the army after WWI? Didn't he get all gassed up or something?

[DeV]

I wouldn't be surprised if he were gay, with an own obvious inferiority complex and other underlying culture/identity issues. He might have been stupid, then that doesn't say much for the millions who blindly followed this raging lunatic.

[Xcalibur]

Remember, the US were racists, so were France, so were UK, so were, etc.

Jews weren't loved that much in that time...

[peam]

Eva Braun was a MAN, baby.

[GSTamral]

Hell, worldwide opinion of Jewish people right now is pretty bad. Israel is doing more than its own share to shit on world opinion, and they are acting JUST as childish as the people they are fighting with. But that has nothing to do with Hitler being gay.

[Satira]

Of course Hitler was gay. I have photographic evidence.

http://www.angelfire.com/celeb/pics4cknet/pics_snl/wugayhitler01110301.jpg

[DeV]

Here was his pimp...

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-6/240424/pimp-01.jpg

[Bobmuhthol]

<<He might have been stupid, then that doesn't say much for the millions who blindly followed this raging lunatic.>>

A previous post from you stated you think Hitler was a genius.

[GSTamral]

I think Bob's upset that he worships a gay man....

[Ravenstorm]

An interesting commentary on the subject:


Outing Time For Hitler
by Michelangelo Signorile


In the fall of 2001, the terrorist attacks led to the cancellation of a slew of book tours. But one book that broke through the blanket coverage and even snagged a Today show interview within a few weeks of Sept. 11 was German historian Lothar Machtan's The Hidden Hitler. For a sensation-stalking media, even a monumental terrorist attack couldn't suppress the highly controversial premise of the book: that Adolf Hitler may have been a closeted homosexual.

It also proved irresistible stuff for late-night comedy, particularly at a time when everyone needed a good snicker. Saturday Night Live soon featured Chris Kattan in a pink SS uniform, prancing around the Third Reich, humping someone's leg. Cute, but many gay activists weren't laughing. In the next few weeks they'll be laughing even less. On April 20, Cinemax airs The Hidden Führer: Debating the Enigma of Hitler's Sexuality, an extensive documentary that draws upon Machtan's work and adds more grist for the mill, including claims that Hitler molested composer Richard Wagner's 18-year-old grandson. The filmmakers, Fenton Bailey and Randy Barbato (Party Monster and The Eyes of Tammy Faye), and author and journalist Gabriel Rotello, are gay themselves and certainly aren't averse to exploring controversial topics. (Full disclosure: I appear briefly in the film. All three filmmakers are longtime colleagues of mine.)

To a lot of gay activists and scholars, this isn't just another case of a dubious Bad Gay being exhumed; this is the Bad Mother Lode. Even before The Hidden Hitler was published in 2001, the Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation launched a blistering attack on Machtan, who is not gay but who, most critics agree, is not homophobic.

"[Machtan's] speculation fuels an ongoing debate that the person who still personifies evil and hate six decades later was one of us," said GLAAD's media director Cathy Renna, adding that the book is "without any real proof." In the Washington Post, Geoffrey Giles, associate professor of history at the University of Florida, accused Machtan of gathering up "every piece of malicious tittle-tattle and idle gossip," even though Giles admitted, "we can never know" the real truth about Hitler's sexuality.

There's a rightful skepticism among gays when an evildoer, dead or alive, is outed in the popular press. That's because journalists are usually loath to report on public figures' undeclared sexual orientation, piously claiming to be respectful of privacy—except, all too often, when it's a Bad Gay. When a 1993 biography claimed that the dictatorial FBI director J. Edgar Hoover not only was gay but had a penchant for secretly donning cocktail dresses and feather boas, there seemed to be a collective exclamation: "Aha! He was a drag queen!" As if that somehow explained it all. Similarly, on the Today show, Matt Lauer teased his interview with Machtan by saying that The Hidden Hitler "claims that Hitler was actually gay, and that his homosexuality was at the root of his evil." The book claims nothing of the kind.

The impulse among some straights to pathologize homosexuality creates a strong resistance among many gays and lesbians to even entertain a premise. I've been guilty of that myself, writing on the 9/11 hijacker Mohammed Atta. At about the same time that The Hidden Hitler was published, a rumor began circulating that law enforcement was studying the possibility that the hijacking ringleader and some of his terrorist comrades were homosexual—a rumor investigators have neither confirmed nor denied. Atta had been described in the media shortly after the attacks as a squishy mama's boy whose father felt he wasn't man enough to be a terrorist.

The gay rumors were recycled by the National Enquirer, which reported that the FBI believed that "Atta and several of his bloody henchmen led secret gay lives for years." I followed up with a piece for Newsweek.com, noting that the rumors looked like more stereotyping on the part of federal law enforcement, which has a history of equating homosexuality with criminal activity going back to Hoover's days, and concluding that it shouldn't matter if Atta and his fellow hijackers were gay or not. But I was taking the point too far—just as the defensive critics of The Hidden Hitler are taking their point too far.

Of course it would matter if Atta were a homosexual. It would shed a bright light on how homophobia—not homosexuality—may be a contributing factor in driving an individual to unfathomable destruction. If Atta and his homicidal companions were secretly homosexual, living within an Islamic fundamentalist society that often imprisons or beheads suspected sodomites, it might help explain why they gravitated toward organizations that adhered to the strictest and most extreme tenets of Islam, perhaps as a way to control their urges. And it also might explain why they'd so easily give up their lives rather than continue in their tortured existences.

In the case of Hitler, such knowledge would be profoundly revelatory as well. In Machtan's portrait, Hitler was perhaps so self-loathing and so traumatized by the fear of exposure that he'd do anything to prove he wasn't a homosexual, including, later, persecuting other gays and violently stopping anyone, straight or gay, who might expose him as he rose to power. Machtan even posits that the SA chief Ernst Röhm, who was openly homosexual, was killed in the infamous Night of the Long Knives on Hitler's orders because Hitler was afraid Röhm was going to out him. It may sound far-fetched, but that formula—squashing other gays as you grab for the brass ring—is a tried and true one among the closeted and power-hungry set. It's the same formula used by Roy Cohn, Sen. Joseph McCarthy's sidekick, in his purges of gays in government as he ascended to the power elite.

The Cinemax documentary powerfully distills the evidence in a way that Machtan's book doesn't. The Hidden Führer doesn't prove that Hitler was gay, but it certainly gives you a lot to chew on. One flaw, however, is that it doesn't explore why this is important to know. Midway through The Hidden Führer, you're convinced that there's something there, but you're left wondering what the point is and why so many gays don't want to know.

In the cases of other, more laudable public figures—from Leonardo da Vinci and Walt Whitman to Florence Nightingale and Susan B. Anthony—gay activists and gay historians haven't had a problem claiming them as lesbian or gay. The proof hasn't always been definitive for the straight world, even if it has been for many gay activists and gay academics. Because Eleanor Roosevelt was close with several lesbian couples and wrote highly affectionate letters to a constant companion, Lorena Hickok, the first lady was, according to many gay history books and websites, a lesbian—though some might say the evidence of that isn't any stronger than that presented regarding Hitler.

That's why the critics' angry denunciations ring a bit hollow. And with books like Machtan's and films like The Hidden Führer making the case, dismissing it isn't going to make the question go away. Why not engage the debate and see where it leads?

Raven

[DeV]

Originally posted by Bobmuhthol
<<He might have been stupid, then that doesn't say much for the millions who blindly followed this raging lunatic.>>

A previous post from you stated you think Hitler was a genius. Exactly.

[DeV]

Not necessarily the fact that he was genius, his tactics were genius... until the end. HAHA then the bastard got what was coming to him.

[Xcalibur]

Nothing has to do with Hitler being gay.

Him being gay or not wouldn't change anything.

I'll give a scoop too: even if he had only one testicule, the war would happened!

Trully!

:lol:

[GSLeloo]

I think Hitler was probably homophobic and he was a psycho BUT I think to a point he was probably also a genius. Even if it's just a genius at manipulation, the man wasn't stupid.

And it is true the Jews were hated at the time, Germany tried to emigrate them and basically no country wanted them.

[Nieninque]

And its also true that his tactics were genius until he listened to Goering and Himmler and the rest, who fucked it all up. God bless 'em.

[Artha]

Ben's going to be pissed.

[Testosterone]

History is the function of the past and present.

[Xcalibur]

Sorry, Hitler was a politician, not a general.

Thanks!

[Trinitis]

Actually, he held the rank of General for a while.

[Xcalibur]

Year?

[TheEschaton]

Debating the Enigma of Hitler's Sexuality, an extensive documentary that draws upon Machtan's work and adds more grist for the mill, including claims that Hitler molested composer Richard Wagner's 18-year-old grandson.


Ummm, that doesn't make him gay, it makes him a pedophile. And pedophiles who molest boys aren't necessarily homosexual. In fact, indications shows most of them to be heterosexual males.

Edited to add: I just realized it said 18 YEARS old, I thought it said 18 months old. Pedophilia could still be argued, though, I guess.

-TheE-

[Edited on 4-26-2004 by TheEschaton]

[Artha]

If you're molesting male kids, you're at least 40% gay.

[GSLeloo]

Originally posted by Artha
Ben's going to be pissed.

Ben was banned so it'll be a while before he can express that

[Pierat]

No offense but this is a crock Tamral
"Hell, worldwide opinion of Jewish people right now is pretty bad. Israel is doing more than its own share to shit on world opinion, and they are acting JUST as childish as the people they are fighting with. But that has nothing to do with Hitler being gay."

Thats like saying some spain pissed off so and so and their pissed off at the dominican republic now too. Jews dont just live in Israel. Most jews have nothing to do with Israel.

[GSTamral]

Actually its not a crock. I know most Jewish people arent in Israel, and you know it, but go around Europe and ask them what they associate Israel to.

It's an unfortunate direct tie, but it exists.

[Hulkein]

I know quite a few people personally that just dislike Jews period, regardless of their views on what Israel is doing.

[GSTamral]

I know a couple as well. I try not to use race, religion or such and hold it against them. I prefer just dealing with good people, regardless of those things. But yes, there are biases built into every single person, at least to some extent.

[TheEschaton]

I know quite a few people personally that just dislike Jews period, regardless of their views on what Israel is doing.


That's because they secretly control the world, REMEMBER?

Donning his tin foil (non-Jewish) hat,
-TheEschaton-

[Celtic]

Originally posted by GSTamral
Hell, worldwide opinion of Jewish people right now is pretty bad. Israel is doing more than its own share to shit on world opinion, and they are acting JUST as childish as the people they are fighting with. But that has nothing to do with Hitler being gay.

Tamral...

You really do need to view more news then what you hear on CNN or MSNBC.

Try subscribing to one of the english printed newspapers in Tel Aviv or Haifa.

Israel stops on one day more terrorist plots then the US sees in a years time. Israel, per capita, has more people die due to terroists, then the whole world combined.

Before you start to bring up all the troubles in Africa, and other countries around the world, you brought up this topic to discuss THE most dispicable person in the world's history and then link it in some twisted way to the current heads of Israel and their choices to try to battle terrorisim.

Guess what? I wish WE would have the gall and gumption to build a wall from San Diego to Brownsville (Texas). Not to even begin to talk about how many jobs it would create, but a 20 foot wall would take about 2 years to build starting at several places and linking up throughout the south. Now that WOULD be something.

As to your point about one documentary saying Hitler was gay...

Just because someone makes a film doesn't give them instant credibility. That rumour has been around for a long time, and unless one of his former lovers shows up and provides proof, you may want to file that under "Here's what I think and here's my proof" file.

Cheers!

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by Celtic
Now that WOULD be something. It would be something stupid.

[GSTamral]

Celtic,

actually, I do get my sources from more than one place, much to your chagrin, but none of my sources come from so obviously biased places as the ones in Israel nor the ones such as Al-Jazeera. My point you missed entirely, and it was simply that for most of the world, their opinion of Jewish people is often at least partially carved by the actions of Israel.

As to your statements of Israel stopping terrorist threats, I believe it. Both sides act like little children.

Israel has taken land by means of war.

Israel is armed to the teeth, while the

Palestinians are armed with little of more destructive value than a Malatov cocktail.

The only way they can fight this war is through terrorism. New settlements have cost more and more Palestinians their homes and their lives. Israel moves tanks into their communities on a daily basis.

Personally, I don't know that if I lived under such circumstances, I could rise above feeling anger and hatred for the people doing that to me. Some of those people then turn to terrorism, because it is the only way they can fight back.

You can't bulldoze a city, forcibly remove the residents, and build your own homes there without expecting a large degree of resentment from the people being displaced, especially when you given them absolutely nothing with which to try and start their lives over.

Sharon is a war waiting for a time and a place to occur. Arafat is a hard liner in sheep's clothing. it is a dangerous situation for both sides, and both sides have chosen to act as infants in the process.

[Xcalibur]

Originally posted by LordAdredrin
Actually, he held the rank of General for a while.

The death of President Hindenburg in August 1934 cleared the way for the abolition of the presidential title by plebiscite. Hitler became officially Fuhrer of Germany and thereby head of state as well as commander in chief of the armed forces.

He took the title of commander, but he was never ranked as a general.

Hitler?

Politician, not a general :lol:

[Testosterone]

Israel imposes an apartheid state on the Palestinian people. This was scowled at in South Africa, yet embraced by President Bush in his press conference with Ariel Sharon.

Israel is a terrorist state. They kill Palestinian people with will, yet Palestinian people are not allowed to retaliate.

Israel is given 5 billion dollars a year in USA funding. This is the most fucked up thing ever. We fund the killing of Palestinians that are armed with sticks and stones. This is the most barbaric act of cruelty ever.

Israel has the 4th biggest nuclear arsenal in the world, and the second most sophisticated military. Israel threatened to nuke Egypt in the Yon Kippur war. Israel is subsequently the only nation in the Middle East to posses nuclear weapons, and even threaten to use them.

The Jews control the monetary system, thus they have control of the US government. Whoever has more money controls the government. The jews impose their control on us through the media, public school, and the likes there of. The jews embrace multiculturalism, as it is key to their survival on earth. They learned from the 20th century the evils of the white race one is become ethnocentric, and imperialistic. They will learn again sooner or later. There’s no denying this.

[Testosterone]

History is the relationship between the past and the present.

[Artha]

Israel imposes an apartheid state on the Palestinian people. This was scowled at in South Africa, yet embraced by President Bush in his press conference with Ariel Sharon.

The black South Africans weren't suicide bombing the white ones. This is not the case in Israel.


They kill Palestinian people with will, yet Palestinian people are not allowed to retaliate.

And yet...they do retaliate. Israel has made it clear that they will pwn on the Palestinians when a bus full of kindergardeners or a falafel stand gets suicide bombed.

The other stuff I don't really feel like looking up.

[GSTamral]

Testosterone, I really hate to break the news to you, but again, its a two sided conflict. Both sides are acting JUST as childish, and just as immoral.

Palestinians are armed with more than sticks and stones, which is why they are able to commit terrorist attacks with explosives.

Israel has not proposed an apartheid state, although looking from the outside, it might as well be one. While not as abrasive as South Africa, yes, what they are doing is absolutely wrong.

Israel should be forced to give back all the land they have claimed by means of war, and rescind back to 1948 borders. That is the first step of the ONLY process that will bring about peace.

[Ravenstorm]

Originally posted by Testosterone
The Jews control the monetary system, thus they have control of the US government.

You do realize that you are in fact saying that it's the Jews who are responsible for America's success and it becoming a world power. Say thank you, Testie. Without them you most likely wouldn't be alive today. So you owe everything to Tsa'ah.

Raven

[Testosterone]

Israel is a terrorist state, period.

Israel and Arab countries should be whipped off the face of the earth, period.

The jews control the monetary system, and that's not what made this country great. What made this country great are the people who died fighting for it, and its independence, you fucking marxist piece of shit. You'll never have an understanding of the world since your mind has been corrupted by the jewish zealots who stole our morality, cultural identity, and freedom.

[Edited on 4-27-2004 by Testosterone]

[Testosterone]

What the fuck do you suppose the arabs do?

Israel kills Palestinians every fucking day. They can't stand there and watch are their citizens die.

There's one difference between us, and the arabs. Arabs are willing to die for Islam. We are pathetic materialistic creatures that celebrate diversity, and have nothing to die for.

[Edited on 4-27-2004 by Testosterone]

[Artha]

We are pathetic materialistic creatures that celebrate diversity, and have nothing to die for.

Which is, of course, why we have a great military. Full of people willing to fight and die for kin and country.

[Testosterone]

No, wrong again.

It's more like, we have a select few willing to die for this country. The rest are in it for the 40,000 a year they GIVE in SCHOLARSHIPS to people to RECRUIT them. There is a huge shortage in the military. We even lack the troops needed in iraq to maintain control.

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by Testosterone
There is a huge shortage in the military. Bullshit.

[Testosterone]

It's true, deal with it. We're half of what we were back during the Cold War.

[GSTamral]

Are you in the Armed Forced Testosterone?

[Xcalibur]

Originally posted by Testosterone
No, wrong again.

It's more like, we have a select few willing to die for this country. The rest are in it for the 40,000 a year they GIVE in SCHOLARSHIPS to people to RECRUIT them. There is a huge shortage in the military. We even lack the troops needed in iraq to maintain control.

Heard that too, from my Lieutenant-Colonel uncle.

[Testosterone]

No, I'm not in the Zionist Occupied Government Army. I will not pledge oath to Israel.

[GSTamral]

then why don't you shut the fuck up about not enough people joining the military?

[Testosterone]

What the fuck are you talking about?

Someone stated lots of people are willing to die for the USA. I stated otherwise, and that i believed there weren't many people willing to die for the USA. I outlined my reasons, one being that there is a shortage of people in the army.

I never said anything about not enough people joining the army. So shut the fuck up, and pull your head out of your ass.

I’m for a draft, at the age of 18 that is mandatory for every citizen. This, of course, only if the ZOG is extinguished.

[Tsa`ah]

Originally posted by Pierat
No offense but this is a crock Tamral
"Hell, worldwide opinion of Jewish people right now is pretty bad. Israel is doing more than its own share to shit on world opinion, and they are acting JUST as childish as the people they are fighting with. But that has nothing to do with Hitler being gay."

Thats like saying some spain pissed off so and so and their pissed off at the dominican republic now too. Jews dont just live in Israel. Most jews have nothing to do with Israel.

Thank you.

[Satira]

My whole family is Jewish. They have nothing to do with Israel. Maybe it's a natural to associate the two things together, but really it's an incredibly stupid thing to do.

And if we run the whole government, I want some of the money.

[GSTamral]

Tsa'ah again, you missed the point of the post.

When Barry Bonds and other athletes get accused of Steroids, all athletes get a stigma over them in public opinion. Similarly, even though Israel does not represent everything Jewish, nor does it represent the views of Jewish people outside of Israel, from the standpoint of worldwide opinion, they are stigmatized to whatever Israel does, the same way Muslims can be stigmatized with the actions of Muslim terrorists.

Just because its a stereotyping action that undermines truth doesnt mean it doesn't happen. I'm sorry if that comes as a shock to you, but well, its true.

[Tsa`ah]

I didn't miss the point at all.

I'm fucked no matter how you look at it.

1. I'm Jewish, so every time Israel pops a Hamas leader for ordering a school blown up, I look all the worse for wear for something done on the other side of the planet.

2. I'm a citizen of the US, so every time our over compensating commander in chief gets a woody for war, I suffer because some ass-hat is in office.

It doesn't matter anyway. I rule the fucking world. I control your money, I control your government.

Testosterone is my bitch and he'd better know his role and give me a fucking quarter already.

[GSTamral]

<<<
1. I'm Jewish, so every time Israel pops a Hamas leader for ordering a school blown up, I look all the worse for wear for something done on the other side of the planet.
>>>

Taking that viewpoint will get you stigmatized of course. I don't know if it will come as a shock to you, but the rest of the world blames Israel for starting this conflict just as much as they blame Palestinians for continuing it. And to be honest, they have a point. Israel has done a number of things to violate UN doctrine. Palestinians retaliate with terrorism. Maybe if you took a step back and a more objective view of the situation, you'd understand what I am talking about.

[Tsa`ah]

No I don't have to step back for two reasons.

1. I don't agree with what Israel is doing. I'm not a Zionist and I don't hold any allegiance for Israel before the US. I've never agreed with taking land. Although I believe you are historically mistaken on most of the "land grabbing" and going to war.

2. I rule the world.

[longshot]

Originally posted by Hulkein
I know quite a few people personally that just dislike Jews period, regardless of their views on what Israel is doing.

These "quite a few people" sounds like a very thinly disguised "you" to be honest.

The following was taken from the Testosterone for president thread.


Originally posted by Hulkein
Hehe, now I'm not saying I agree with all of his views [Testosterone], but it's definitly enjoyable to hear the far far right views (when he's not talking about killing people) as opposed to the 'politically correct' views all the time.

Really not all that surprised. You two are pretty much the same, you just think it's bad openly talk about kiling people.

[Nakiro]

Fuck Israel and fuck Palestine. Why the fuck are we aiding that country. WHY THE FUCK ARE WE MESSING WITH THAT SHIT?

Israel needs to be disarmed. The UN should have never created a nation state for them, and now it should be dismantled. If they can't fucking live in peace with the fucking palestines than they should MOVE THE FUCK OUT.

I dont' care if they don't have a homeland. Go someplace else and learn to survive.

[Nakiro]

OH and to stay on topic, Hitlar was probably gay, and probably part jewish. His great grandmother and his grandmother are both said to have been servants to jewish families, and both had gotten knocked up by someone in the family, run off, and had the baby.

This would make him 3/8th jewish heritage.

[Nieninque]

Except in the "night of the long knives" Hitler organised the killing of the leaders of Nazi party that would compromise his plans, a number of them were gay and were killed whilst "in the act."

[Tsa`ah]

I think you should read up on Israel's history before you start flying off at the handle.

I agree we should not be sending US dollars to Israel, but stating they should be disarmed and dismantled is a bit, no a lot, hypocritical.

Only when we start disarming can we even suggest that any other nation be disarmed.

[Nakiro]

Originally posted by Nieninque
Except in the "night of the long knives" Hitler organised the killing of the leaders of Nazi party that would compromise his plans, a number of them were gay and were killed whilst "in the act."

Remind me what this has to do with Hitler being gay again?

[Nakiro]

Originally posted by Tsa`ah
I think you should read up on Israel's history before you start flying off at the handle.

I agree we should not be sending US dollars to Israel, but stating they should be disarmed and dismantled is a bit, no a lot, hypocritical.

Only when we start disarming can we even suggest that any other nation be disarmed.

I kind of agree with you on the disarming thing, though at this point we have so many enemies that it is extremely hard [impossible] to do safely.

Its not like the UN is ever going to send an armed force anywhere either.

[Nieninque]

Originally posted by Nakiro

Originally posted by Nieninque
Except in the "night of the long knives" Hitler organised the killing of the leaders of Nazi party that would compromise his plans, a number of them were gay and were killed whilst "in the act."

Remind me what this has to do with Hitler being gay again?

1. More than this.....
Originally posted by Nakiro

I kind of agree with you on the disarming thing, though at this point we have so many enemies that it is extremely hard [impossible] to do safely.

Its not like the UN is ever going to send an armed force anywhere either.


2. My belief is that he wasnt due to his organised assassination of his colleagues in the Brown shirts (as they were) that were gay. Not conclusive proof but if you an say "he probably was gay" I can say I dont think he was.

Not that it particularly matters either way. He was a very intelligent person who exhibited psycho/sociopathic tendencies and did some horrendous stuff.

Kind of ridiculous that people try and dish dirt on him for being gay...*hint* genocide is generally worse.

[Edited on 4-27-2004 by Nieninque]

[Hulkein]

Originally posted by longshot
These "quite a few people" sounds like a very thinly disguised "you" to be honest.

The following was taken from the Testosterone for president thread.


Originally posted by Hulkein
Hehe, now I'm not saying I agree with all of his views [Testosterone], but it's definitly enjoyable to hear the far far right views (when he's not talking about killing people) as opposed to the 'politically correct' views all the time.

Really not all that surprised. You two are pretty much the same, you just think it's bad openly talk about kiling people.

Not in the least bit. I don't dislike Jews or any race simply because of their race. The person I was actually thinking of when I wrote that post was my friend who lives by a synogogue and his reason for disliking them is extremely petty. My point was Jews are stigmatized here in the US also, regardless of what Israel does.

My step-grandfather was a Jew and I loved him like my own grandfather (seeing as he was married to my grandmom the same year I was born)

I already expressed to Weedmage how Testosterone and I differ in viewpoint.
Here was my response.

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Originally posted by Weedmage Princess
I could be wrong here, so correct me if I am, but Hulkein...would it be incorrect for me to say you might share a lot of the same views/sentiments as Testosterone? You're just a bit more quiet and reserved about it...but...kind of still feel that way?

It's an honest question, not an accusation or anything of the sort.


Originally posted by Hulkein
I believe if the IQ tests and all that jazz were recorded correctly, then yes certain races are inherently brighter.

I differ in views with Testosterone in a lot of the aspects though.. I don't believe immigrants or non-white people are ruining America or ruining western culture.. Most older cities are actually undergoing revitalization because of the increased immigration of 'non-whites.'

I simply accept that certain groups of people are genetically better at certain things then others. I don't however make assumptions on whether this makes culture better/worse etc, which is what Testosterone does a lot of.

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As for the quote from the president view. I'm pretty sure the far-right views I was referring to were things like cutting aid to nations, cutting welfare, affirmative action, etc.

Also... I know Jews around the world and Israel are not directly linked, but if you look at my posts throughout the entire time I've been here whenever there was a discussion involving Israel, I've always leaned towards backing them. I think the notion of the Jews running the world is a joke.

[Edited on 4-27-2004 by Hulkein]

[DeV]

Originally posted by Nakiro
Fuck Israel and fuck Palestine. Why the fuck are we aiding that country. WHY THE FUCK ARE WE MESSING WITH THAT SHIT?

Israel needs to be disarmed. The UN should have never created a nation state for them, and now it should be dismantled. If they can't fucking live in peace with the fucking palestines than they should MOVE THE FUCK OUT.

I dont' care if they don't have a homeland. Go someplace else and learn to survive. Shit, I agree.

[Bobby]

Originally posted by Tsa`ah

1. I'm Jewish, so every time Israel pops a Hamas leader for ordering a school blown up, I look all the worse for wear for something done on the other side of the planet.

You don't feel a bit safer after each one gets popped?


2. I'm a citizen of the US, so every time our over compensating commander in chief gets a woody for war, I suffer because some ass-hat is in office.

This is very atypical of an extreme left wing liberal. I've read your posts, you usually have substance to what your beliefs are. The last 3 major wars were all started by the left. World War II, Korea, and Vietnam. In all three cases the United States involved themselves without being attacked (save the Japanese, but the German's never attacked us). Korea never flew a plane into any of our buildings. The Vietnamese never strapped bombs to themselves and walked into a cafeteria in the United States and detonate themselves.

Stand up for your people. If you're Jewish, you SHOULD care about what goes on over there. Don't just stick your head in the sand and say that it's their problem, and they should stop that because they're making YOU look bad or feel embarrased.

Sad day for Jews when their own people won't be proud and stand behind what their country is doing.

Bobby

[Latrinsorm]

I thought Tsa`ah was American. :?:

[Nakiro]

Originally posted by Nieninque

Originally posted by Nakiro

Originally posted by Nieninque
Except in the "night of the long knives" Hitler organised the killing of the leaders of Nazi party that would compromise his plans, a number of them were gay and were killed whilst "in the act."

Remind me what this has to do with Hitler being gay again?

1. More than this.....
Originally posted by Nakiro

I kind of agree with you on the disarming thing, though at this point we have so many enemies that it is extremely hard [impossible] to do safely.

Its not like the UN is ever going to send an armed force anywhere either.


2. My belief is that he wasnt due to his organised assassination of his colleagues in the Brown shirts (as they were) that were gay. Not conclusive proof but if you an say "he probably was gay" I can say I dont think he was.

Not that it particularly matters either way. He was a very intelligent person who exhibited psycho/sociopathic tendencies and did some horrendous stuff.

Kind of ridiculous that people try and dish dirt on him for being gay...*hint* genocide is generally worse.

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1. The part you quoted was in reference to another person's reponse to my post.

2. There is nothing belittling about Hitler being homosexual. Just the question of whether he was or not is curious.

[Testosterone]

I stand up for white people, not jews.

Jews are our enemies.

The cradle of civilization
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[Bobby]

My only retort to your views is the following.


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[Edited on 4-27-2004 by Bobby]

[Edited on 4-27-2004 by Bobby]