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Testosterone
04-26-2004, 02:51 PM
http://www.nationalreview.com/derbyshire/derbyshire.asp

Ditching Diversity
Will elites return to racism?

By John Derbyshire

October of this year marks the tenth anniversary of the publication of The Bell Curve, Richard Herrnstein's and Charles Murray's book about the part played by human intelligence in determining individual destinies in our society, and the implications for the structure of that society. By way of advance preparation I have been re-reading my own copy of The Bell Curve — it's the 1996 paperback edition, with Murray's spirited afterword rebutting the book's critics (Richard Herrnstein died three weeks before the book's first publication). I'm going to hold off until the actual anniversary before discussing the book in full; here I just want to use one of its lesser-noticed passages as the starting point for some speculations.

This particular passage is in Chapter 21, under the sub-heading "The Coming of the Custodial State." The authors have been writing about the increasing stratification of our society by cognitive ability across the past half-century. Every American community, they note — working- or upper-class, white or black, urban or rural — used to have at least a sprinking of high-IQ types, who could take leadership positions in that community. That those bright people were stuck in such backwaters for want of larger opportunity was an injustice in itself, and reflected systemic injustices in our society. Now those injustices have been swept away. Now the doors are open for any high-IQ American, of any background, to join the well-paid, high-status cognitive elites of lawyers, administrators, CEOs, professors, journalists, technocrats, etc. The downside of this (on the whole) improvement is that the high-IQ folk are vacuumed up from all those scattered communities, leaving large areas of American society IQ-poor, while the cognitive elites pull away from the rest of us, "coalesc[ing] into a class that views America increasingly through a lens of its own." By "custodial state" the authors mean a sort of Indian-reservation policy whereby the elites might fence themselves off from the feckless, hopeless, solidly low-IQ underclass.

The authors then indulge themselves in some speculations about how this "stratification of the cognitive elite" will work itself out in coming decades. Here is where they got my attention. One of their suggestions is:

Racism will emerge in a new and more virulent form. The tension between what the white elite is supposed to think and what it is actually thinking about race will reach something close to breaking point. This pessimistic prognosis must be contemplated: When the break comes, the result, as so often happens when cognitive dissonance is resolved, will be an overreaction in the other direction. Instead of the candor and realism about race that is so urgently needed, the nation will be faced with racial divisiveness and hostility that is as great as, or greater, than America experienced before the civil rights movement. We realize how outlandish it seems to predict that educated and influential Americans, who have been so puritanical about racial conversation, will openly revert to racism. We would not go so far as to say it is probable. It is, however, more than just possible. If it were to happen, all the scenarios for the custodial state would be more unpleasant — more vicious — than anyone can now imagine.
The reason this got my attention was that I came across it within hours of reading Walter Benn Michaels's essay "Diversity's False Solace" in the April 11 New York Times magazine. I knew nothing about Michaels until reading the piece. On the basis of some quick googling, he seems to be a literary theorist of the type that makes my eyes glaze over — "texts," "signifiers," "construction of cultural identity," zzzzzzz. In the Times piece, though, he comes through as an old-style lefty, arguing against "diversity" on the grounds that (I am over-simplifying somewhat here — you can read the piece for yourself) it is all a plot to keep us from noticing that rich folk are much better represented at elite universities than poor folk. "[W]e like policies like affirmative action not so much because they solve the problem of racism as because they tell us that racism is the problem we need to solve." Whereas, according to Prof. Michaels, the problem we really need to solve is "economic inequality."

From the Bell Curve point of view, of course, Prof. Michaels has got the wrong end of the stick. The phenomenon he is observing — rich people's kids over-represented at universities — is just the "stratification of the cognitive elite" that Herrnstein and Murray talk about, caused by meritocratic selection operating on differences in individual ability. Our society is now so friction-free that smart people rise effortlessly to the top: the top colleges, the top jobs, the top incomes. Their kids will, by a well-known statistical principle called "regression to the mean" be smarter than average, on average, if not quite so smart as their parents, and so will naturally be over-represented at top colleges. The interesting thing, though, is that the New York Times, house journal of the liberal establishment, is publishing critiques of the diversity cult. Sure, this one is a critique from the Left, but it's the New York Times we're talking about. What do you want, egg in your beer?

There have recently been other straws in this wind. Across the Pond a gentleman named Trevor Phillips caused a sensation recently by saying out loud that multiculturalism had all been a ghastly mistake, and that immigrants to Britain needed to assimilate to British culture a.s.a.p. This was sensational because Mr. Phillips, a black man, is chairman of the Commission for Racial Equality, Britain's leading organizer of anti-racist witch-hunts, and up till now a fervent promoter of multiculturalism. (The U.S. equivalent would be something like the Southern Poverty Law Center.)

Mr. Phillips's previous appearance in the spotlight was back in January, when he called for the police to arrest an opinion journalist who had written a Sunday newspaper article titled "We Owe Arabs Nothing," containing such sentiments as that Arabs have contributed nothing to the world apart from oil; referring to them as "suicide bombers, limb-amputators, women repressors;" and wondering aloud: "What do they think we feel about them? That we adore them for the way they murdered more than 3,000 civilians on September 11 then danced in the hot, dusty streets to celebrate the murders?" Mr. Phillips thought these comments likely to "incite racial hatred," and so he did his duty as a puritanical busybody.

Again, Trevor Phillips's more recent critique of multiculturalism comes from the Left. From the New Left, in fact: Mr. Phillips is concerned that the swelling unpopularity of multiculturalism in Britain may be undermining support for multi-ethnic immigration, which Phillips, natch, believes to be a jolly good thing. He explains himself in The Guardian, a newspaper so far left it makes the New York Times look like, well, National Review.

Is this the beginning of something? Could American elites dump multiculturalism — the doctrine that any culture is just as good as any other (except of course for the Ice People culture of white Europeans, which is inhuman, oppressive, colonialist, greedy, and cruel)? And could this lead to the prospect that Herrnstein and Murray feared, the prospect of a turn to racism on the part of our cognitive elites?

I wouldn't rule out either. For all their pompous moralizing, our secular elites are fundamentally amoral, their ideologies founded in nothing but some half-remembered clichés from Karl Marx and John Stuart Mill. As I remarked As I remarked when reviewing Peter Wood's book about one of those ideologies:

Where did it come from, this ideology of diversity? Peter Wood notes the oddity of the fact that such a powerful idea, energetically propagated across the whole of society for a quarter of a century, has no founding text to refer to, was inspired by no charismatic teacher, was carried forward with no mighty struggles or cruel reverses, has roots in no significant philosophy. "It arrived unparented,' says Wood, 'as a kind of collective emanation of ponderous academic silliness." We just woke up one morning and there it was, demanding that we 'celebrate' it. In its impact on the individual psyche, diversity is indeed an ideology in the sense Wood describes; yet it is a shallow and trivial one — essentially a folk superstition, a pop-culture fad like the Hula Hoop or body piercing, with no intellectual moorings at all. One of the author's key insights, in fact, is the lightness and essential frivolity of diversity, especially by contrast with actual diversity.
As Herrnstein and Murray say, it is an imaginative stretch to conceive of our elites turning against the settled dogma of forty years. Stranger things have happened, though. "Except the Lord build the house, they labor in vain that build it," and the house of current elite ideology is built on sand, by people who scoff at Divine inspiration. I wish I had a dollar for every time I have had an exchange like the following with a lefty ideologist.

LI: "Racism (or homophobia, or sexism, or whatever) is wrong! Wrong, wrong, wrong!"

JD: "By what standard? What makes it wrong?"

LI: "It causes pain and trauma!"

JD: "So does dentistry, to the patient. So does free-market economics, to the unemployed. So does justice, to the criminal. So do piano lessons, to my son. Are they wrong?"

LI: "Violates fundamental American principles!"

JD: "Which are all premised on 'Providence,' or 'The Creator,' or 'God.' None of which you believe in..."

Without absolute morality, you can adjust "right" and "wrong" to your own convenience. I see no reason to suppose that America's cognitive elites will be immune to this temptation. In five or ten years' time, for example, when the Baby Boomers are retiring in large numbers, and looking to their government to help out with paying for their medications, Caribbean cruises, and living expenses, they are going to find that their government does not have enough money to do so. This will cause elite Boomers to look long and hard, and not very sympathetically, at some of the things government spends wads of money on: inner-city school systems, welfare and bureaucratic make-work programs, jails, the Drug War...

And then there is the fact, not quite respectable to mention in polite company, but indubitable none the less, that quite a number of our cognitive elites are Jewish. American Jews have been great supporters of multiculturalism, for reasons perfectly easy to understand. If Jews collectively learned a lesson from the 20th century, it was the terrible danger inherent in being the one conspicuously successful minority in an otherwise-homogenous society. So: The less homogenous the better! Bring on multiculturalism! Unfortunately, if you open the doors of your nation to all the cultures of the world in the early 21st century, and invite them to "celebrate their diversity" on your soil, you might find that an alarmingly high proportion of them are Muslims with viciously antisemitic opinions. Multiculturalism? Hmm, let's rethink this...

I don't think, any more than Herrnstein and Murray did ten years ago, that these outcomes are certain. They are surely possible, though. My personal rating of the odds over the next generation (25 years) would be something like:

The elites will drop multiculturalism (i.e., the idea that every culture is just as worth "celebrating" as any other, and that the old idea of assimilation into a common American culture is "oppressive" and "racist"). — Around 90 percent probability.

They will drop diversity as an ideal (i.e., the idea that every college class, business office, sports team, or other group should contain a suitable mix of races, sexes, and types). — 50 percent.

They will turn racist, approving a new social order in which legal privileges will accrue to races over-represented in the cognitive elites, and be denied to races over-represented in the underclass. — Perhaps 25 percent.

We are, as Herrnstein and Murray said, living under a regime of cognitive dissonance, pretending to believe one thing while striving not to notice the opposite thing. It's an unstable situation, and will only be further destabilized in the future. What will the resolution be? We can only guess. There are my guesses up above. Feel free to make your own.

[Edited on 4-26-2004 by Testosterone]

Testosterone
04-26-2004, 02:53 PM
Where did it come from, this ideology of diversity? Peter Wood notes the oddity of the fact that such a powerful idea, energetically propagated across the whole of society for a quarter of a century, has no founding text to refer to, was inspired by no charismatic teacher, was carried forward with no mighty struggles or cruel reverses, has roots in no significant philosophy. “It arrived unparented,’ says Wood, ‘as a kind of collective emanation of ponderous academic silliness.” We just woke up one morning and there it was, demanding that we ‘celebrate’ it. In its impact on the individual psyche, diversity is indeed an ideology in the sense Wood describes; yet it is a shallow and trivial one — essentially a folk superstition, a pop-culture fad like the Hula Hoop or body piercing, with no intellectual moorings at all. One of the author’s key insights, in fact, is the lightness and essential frivolity of diversity, especially by contrast with actual diversity.

That paragraph.. nothing but truth.

DeV
04-26-2004, 03:00 PM
Racism will emerge in a new and more virulent form. The tension between what the white elite is supposed to think and what it is actually thinking about race will reach something close to breaking point. This pessimistic prognosis must be contemplated: When the break comes, the result, as so often happens when cognitive dissonance is resolved, will be an overreaction in the other direction. Instead of the candor and realism about race that is so urgently needed, the nation will be faced with racial divisiveness and hostility that is as great as, or greater, than America experienced before the civil rights movement. We realize how outlandish it seems to predict that educated and influential Americans, who have been so puritanical about racial conversation, will openly revert to racism. We would not go so far as to say it is probable. It is, however, more than just possible. If it were to happen, all the scenarios for the custodial state would be more unpleasant — more vicious — than anyone can now imagine.

GSTamral
04-26-2004, 03:11 PM
<<<
Where did it come from, this ideology of diversity? Peter Wood notes the oddity of the fact that such a powerful idea, energetically propagated across the whole of society for a quarter of a century, has no founding text to refer to, was inspired by no charismatic teacher, was carried forward with no mighty struggles or cruel reverses, has roots in no significant philosophy. “It arrived unparented,’ says Wood, ‘as a kind of collective emanation of ponderous academic silliness.” We just woke up one morning and there it was, demanding that we ‘celebrate’ it. In its impact on the individual psyche, diversity is indeed an ideology in the sense Wood describes; yet it is a shallow and trivial one — essentially a folk superstition, a pop-culture fad like the Hula Hoop or body piercing, with no intellectual moorings at all. One of the author’s key insights, in fact, is the lightness and essential frivolity of diversity, especially by contrast with actual diversity.
>>>

The formal idea of diversity actually developed in the 1200's onward with the Mayans. The concept did not become manifested in proof until the Potato Blight in Ireland. To make a long story short, The Mayans used and planted just about every strain of potato, their primary crop. As a result, although some circumstances would help one crop and hurt another, they always had food. Ireland on the other hand, chose to attempt to perfect the strain of potato to ONLY plant and harvest the one ideal for their climate. As a result, a singular disease, or blight, wiped out entire crops, causing mass starvation. That same blight would not have had anywhere near the same effect on the Mayans.

Diversity is also essential in the corporate world. The largest companies in the world always ensure that they have differing thinkers at the top. People who "think outside the box" are amongst the most valuable up the corporate ladder because of their ability to not get caught in a single mindedness, and their ability to innovate.

You will always have racists, and haters, mostly sprung from means of jealousy and the general inability to understand anything beyond the truly simple. Take Ben, a perfect example. He'll never have any meaningful job, and he'll never amount to anything meaningful because simply said, he's too stupid to overcome infancy.

Testosterone
04-26-2004, 03:19 PM
Your example proves no clear relation to this diversity we speak of. Resistance to bacteria is just one characteristic or trait of the plant. If the plant did not produce many potatoes, it would not then be selectively breeded. If the potatoes were not big, but small, they would also not bred the potato. You can’t make a distinction between potato plants, and different races on earth. It’s a fallacy.

Diversity originated out of the Frankfurt school, formed by a select number of jews back in the 1930's. It gave rise to civil rights, affirmative action, and the likes of.

Diversity plays no beneficial role in our society. Letting the genetically inferior have demanding jobs is asking for trouble. It’s no coincidence that the people that are in suck in poverty are also the genetically inferior.

[Edited on 4-26-2004 by Testosterone]

GSTamral
04-26-2004, 03:26 PM
genetically inferior? interesting viewpoint. So what exactly are the criteria of determining who is genetically superior?

If we were basing it solely on intelligence, surely its not white people. Asians outperform white people in just about every one of the most demanding fields of study, such as Medicine, Engineering, and Law. And if you think that any member of your family could match wits with Colin Powell, you're absolutely mistaken.

If we were basing it on athleticism, white people arent in the mix either. African Americans, despite being a minority, dominate white americans at virtually every level of sport.

Welfare is where it currently is because some people started off with less. Due to the leftovers of slavery, many african americans had to start their lives with no education or money. That is a handicap that can take generations to overcome.

If earning power is your measure, again, Asian Americans, despite being immigrants, outperform white people in schools and in jobs. more than 80% of the work done to build windows is handled in India. And Bill Gates is twenty thousand times the man you are to make such a business decision.

People have the right to be racist. I mean, just look at Ben. I'm not white, but go ahead and throw him into the top Biomedical Engineering program in the world. Let's see if he can handle it, since he's one of the genetically superior types.

Testosterone
04-26-2004, 04:39 PM
It's pretty obvious that superiority stems out of both intellectual ability and physical ability. Imperialism is the white race expanding and conquering earth. If you can't look back at history, and see for yourself who the superior race is, then I can't help you.

Yes, mongoloids primarily central asia score higher than whites on IQ tests. Western Africans descendants are superior in athletic events. While Asians trail far behind blacks in physical development, and blacks trail far behind Asians in mental development, Caucasians are not further behind in either respect. I respect mongoloids, specifically the warrior mentality of the Japanesel. Also certain Taiwanese, and Korean culture and am quotas on their immigration here as well as restrictions on voting rights.

Picking and choosing out of each race is not a good way to argue a point. You must look at the mean of the whole. Secondly, let’s stray away from this superiority or inferiority argument.

What’s more important is the context of the article, and the implications of diversity. Why do we embrace multiculturalism when it is the very homogeneity that brought this country, and europe to it’s position here on earth. It’s a cultural fad that is the byproducts of Marxism and communism. It is a plague to our culture and society.

This is who fought for our existence

Out of these colonials was bred the Minute Man. Minute Man! These American farmers were ready at a minute's notice to abandon the plow and seize the gun. They knew that the hour of their political independence was at hand and instinctively they prepared for it. When the moment arrived, with a British order to arrest two of their leaders, the Minute Men assembled before daybreak at Lexington to face the British force sent to seize them. Though heavily outnumbered they stood their ground in the face of Major Pitcairn's order to disperse. "If they mean to have a war," said Captain John Parker, leader of the Minute Men, "let it begin here!"

[Edited on 4-26-2004 by Testosterone]

GSTamral
04-26-2004, 06:14 PM
Again, if Bill Gates, Larry Ellison, and other people who are far superior to you in every respect of the world embrace diversity, I'd say there is a valid reason to do so. There must be some level of success inherent to having a diverse means of analysis or they wouldn't have done it that way.

For you to quote someone who writes articles because they aren't smart enough to make money the old fashioned way bashing diversity is one thing. To contradict the business teachings of those who have succeeded is quite another.

Hate to break the news to you, but much of the research in the recent tech boom isnt being done by white people.

It was a jewish person who theorized and ultimately designed the atomic bomb. It is also that same jewish person who is universally recognized as one of, if not the smartest man of the 20th century.

It was an Indian person that has allowed broadband and phone algorithm processing to get to where it is today. That same formula is applied to directing planes, and even microprocessing units on your computer.

It was people from Taiwan who revolutionized routers.

This list goes on and on. As to your genetically superior race theory, if thats the case, why is it that Singapore is two years from passing the United States in GDP? Why is it that businesses worldwide are more apt for real estate in Singapore and China than they are in the United States?

Testosterone, my agreeing with you on the practice of reverse racism only treads so far. I do agree that no college should use race or quotas as a means of admission, and that admission should be based solely on results submitted with a formulaic weighting. Asians, and to a much lesser extent, whites are discriminated against in the college selection process. Affirmative Action has much of the same negative effects on society, however to assume that race is the sole factor in superiority and inferiority is the argument of the stupid member of that race, who feels they should be entitled to things they do not deserve just because of their race.

Testosterone
04-26-2004, 07:53 PM
Honestly, I’m having a really hard time understanding what you’re trying to get at.

You’re saying because a few billionaires embrace diversity that we should follow them like zealots? I thought you had some sense, but that comment proves otherwise. You obviously are a moron. The only reason these corporations embrace diversity is because it is the cool thing to do now, it’s a fad. The fad of multiculturalism.

I never claimed jews were not intelligent. I claimed they were ethnocentric, xenophobic, greedy and the likes there of. They impose a fascist state in Israel, and employ double standards against the world. They also force down our throat diversity, which is detrimental to society.

Secondly, even though India steals lots of our jobs, it’s mainly because their society is corrupt, and wages are worse than slave labor. These unethical companies can outsource jobs there, avoid income tax, and make 10 times more profit than if they were operating abroad. Why the fuck would a capitalist corporation not chose the latter path?

Thirdly, if you think Singapore will pass USA’s GDP in 2 years, you should be placed in an insane asylum. Where the fuck do you make up these figures from?

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/sn.html
Singapore GDP: $112.4 billion (2002 est.)

USA GDP: $10.45 trillion (2002 est.)
http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/us.html

Are you really that dumb? Our GDP is 93 times greater. Go spew your bullshit elsewhere. It’s obvious western nations are superior to third world shit nations.


Multiculturalism equates to Death of the West. This is why it must be stopped.

GSTamral
04-26-2004, 08:02 PM
You're the moron if you just googled out those numbers at face value. Per Capita you shithead, per capita.

And to addend, your fuzzy math shows quite bright in your assessment of labor in India. A programmer in India working for UPS makes approximately 18,000 US dollars per year. At microsoft the number is slightly higher, or about one third to one fourth of the cost here. And in India, at that rate, they can live the same way a person making 6 figures lives over here.

try getting YOUR facts straight.

[Edited on 4-27-2004 by GSTamral]

Testosterone
04-26-2004, 08:08 PM
SINGAPORE:
GDP - per capita - $25,200 (2002 est.)
GDP - real growth rate: 2.2% (2002 est.)

USA:
GDP - per capita - $36,300 (2002 est.)
GDP - real growth rate: 2.4% (2002 est.)

WATCH OUT USA, here comes Singapore. Hahaha..

GSTamral
04-26-2004, 08:16 PM
Again, you get your numbers from a World book? or a textbook? Singapore's GDP you provide includes the indigenous groups there who average between 500-1000 per capita. Try comparing instead the business district, or city, to say, NYC.

and even with the skewed number in Singapore, how many countries in Western Europe beat out Singapore?

Fengus
04-26-2004, 09:12 PM
What a load of crap, I won't waste more of my life responding to the original paper because the minutes of my life I spent reading it I will not get back.

But this line displayed the idiocy of the text as a whole: "He explains himself in The Guardian, a newspaper so far left it makes the New York Times look like, well, National Review."

Okay Mr Writer, I'll take your word for it cause you haven't exactly stated anything more substantial than personal opinion. But based on the repetition, this is some sort of meme or misinformation piece in my opinion.


Also while the text seems to be mostly about racial differences it appeals to your own bias because I didn't see any evidence at all in the entire page that would support any real genetic difference.

And a final bit of wisdom: even if you win the rat race you are still a rat.

Fengus
04-26-2004, 09:21 PM
Originally posted by GSTamral
Why is it that businesses worldwide are more apt for real estate in Singapore and China than they are in the United States?


I'll ignore much of the other stuff you wrote since you haven't even given a smidgen of factual support for your claims. Indian revolutionized the world, film at eleven! Huh?

But the above statement, oh my, you can't really be this naive? Its not really all that complex, cheap land, cheap work force. Simple. India is actually in a unique position because they have a cheap and *skilled* workforce which isn't typical for a 3rd world nation, but then again they aren't really a 3rd world nation, just a nation with poor natural resources. Now you are naive because you are seeing this trend and denying its a trend and transitional.

Testosterone
04-26-2004, 09:36 PM
Originally posted by GSTamral
Again, you get your numbers from a World book? or a textbook? Singapore's GDP you provide includes the indigenous groups there who average between 500-1000 per capita. Try comparing instead the business district, or city, to say, NYC.

and even with the skewed number in Singapore, how many countries in Western Europe beat out Singapore?
I thought I made it clear where I got my information from, I even posted a link to it right next to the GDP figures.
CIA Factbook: http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/

If you’re not going to include “indigenous groups” into the per capita GDP figures of Singapore, then likewise you should not include Negroids, Mexicans, and Latino’s in the GDP calculations of the USA.



Originally posted by Fengus
What a load of crap, I won't waste more of my life responding to the original paper because the minutes of my life I spent reading it I will not get back.

But this line displayed the idiocy of the text as a whole: "He explains himself in The Guardian, a newspaper so far left it makes the New York Times look like, well, National Review."

Okay Mr Writer, I'll take your word for it cause you haven't exactly stated anything more substantial than personal opinion. But based on the repetition, this is some sort of meme or misinformation piece in my opinion.


Also while the text seems to be mostly about racial differences it appeals to your own bias because I didn't see any evidence at all in the entire page that would support any real genetic difference.

And a final bit of wisdom: even if you win the rat race you are still a rat.

I posted loads of evidence in the thread "Reverse Racism" on either page 8, 9 or 10. I forgot what page. If you really want to see, then view it, otherwise shut the fuck up. Any human being can see through his own eyes without scientific evidence that there exist vast differences in races that make a certain race exhibit superiority.

There’s no real cause of diversity and multiculturalism. It’s propagated by marxist jews, that are xenophobic and ethnocentric in a ploy to destroy Europe’s identity as well as united state’s.

[Edited on 4-27-2004 by Testosterone]

GSTamral
04-26-2004, 09:45 PM
<<<
You’re saying because a few billionaires embrace diversity that we should follow them like zealots? >>>

No, I'm saying because the most successful people in America embrace diversity, that their opinion counts a lot more than some article writer who makes less per year than one of them do on a bathroom break. I'm saying we should respect the opinions the people who succeed, as opposed to simply take YOUR viewpoint as the right one.

By the way, just so you know, if you want to remove those numbers, you'll also remove asians and jewish people too right?

Because I hate to break the news to you, but their numbers are higher than your white America. Oopsie...

Testosterone
04-26-2004, 09:52 PM
Now you’re gone over the edge.

I don’t give a fuck about Bill Gates, Jew Warren Buffet, or any of the other hippie fucks that constitute the richest people in the world. Their opinions mean jack shit to me. They can be whipped off the face of the earth and I would not give a shit. I’m astounded that you would actually care about their values, also puzzled, as well as shocked.

Their opinions mean jack shit to me. They are computer nerds that have no view of the fucking world, racial issues, or multiculturalism. They don’t need to care, because they are the richest fucks in the world.

You’re a jackass for letting them contribute to your view of the world.



By the way, just so you know, if you want to remove those numbers, you'll also remove asians and jewish people too right?
You make no sense. Your first post you concluded it would only be fair if you removed the “indigenous people” from the GDP figures. I replied saying we should then also remove the Mexicans, negroids and arabs from our figures due to their low IQ rates, higher poverty rates, and less per capita GDP. This only makes sense if you follow your logic first.

GSTamral
04-26-2004, 10:12 PM
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You’re a jackass for letting them contribute to your view of the world
>>>

And you're a jackass for taking your views on the world from the national review. At least Bill Gates is successful, and has made money and enjoyed success worldwide. What exactly has the national review done??

Testosterone
04-26-2004, 10:30 PM
Your god is the dollar. I pity you.

I don't care about successful people. Success does not dictate living a virtuous life, or even a happy life. In the end, it's the same. We all die.

Try to fight for your nation, culture, and heritage. Reject multiculturalism and you will be content with yourself.

[Edited on 4-27-2004 by Testosterone]

TheEschaton
04-27-2004, 12:58 AM
India is actually in a unique position because they have a cheap and *skilled* workforce which isn't typical for a 3rd world nation, but then again they aren't really a 3rd world nation, just a nation with poor natural resources.

You don't really know much about India, do you? You're just posturing to prove your point? That's what I thought.

India suffers from all its talent coming to the States, among other things.

-TheE-

longshot
04-27-2004, 04:02 AM
Originally posted by Testosterone

Diversity originated out of the Frankfurt school, formed by a select number of jews back in the 1930's. It gave rise to civil rights, affirmative action, and the likes of.

[Edited on 4-26-2004 by Testosterone]

This book you worship so much, The Bell Curve,... correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't it rank Jewish people second to Asians?

I really wish I could understand why every bumpkin who isn't happy with his position in the world has to blame everything on Jews.

I don't get it.

And Testy, you still never admitted that Germans did not invent radar like you claimed in a previous thread. Your cellmate must have been wrong...

Weedmage Princess
04-27-2004, 04:15 AM
Longshot I thought I already told you, you're asking a bit too much of Testy. He's still trying to master his command of the English language. It takes a lot of hard work and concentration to form sentences using the correct tense (ie: cared, cares..etc.) and to communicate in a clear and concise manner instead of just erraticly listing your thoughts in a jumbled manner.

You guys need to back off!

longshot
04-27-2004, 04:18 AM
I figured I'd give him another chance.

I'm too nice, I guess.:yes:

Weedmage Princess
04-27-2004, 04:21 AM
Way too nice.

This coming New Years, I want you to resolve to do away with Mr. Nice Guy and toughen up, k? You're too sweet.

Faent
04-27-2004, 04:32 AM
>> It’s no coincidence that the people that are in suck in poverty are also the genetically inferior. -Nazi

See why I call this bitch a Nazi? LoL.

-Scott

Weedmage Princess
04-27-2004, 04:34 AM
You'd think the "genetically superior" would have no issues communicating in his language, no? :rolleyes:

Hulkein
04-27-2004, 12:36 PM
He's talking about populations in general, not specific cases. Him making typo's or grammatical mistakes is irrelevent.

Parkbandit
04-27-2004, 12:49 PM
Am I the only one that gets a headache when Tamral and Testosterone debate stupid things?

Someone get me an aspirin.

DeV
04-27-2004, 12:55 PM
Originally posted by Parkbandit
Am I the only one that gets a headache when Tamral and Testosterone debate stupid things?
No, your not alone.

Fengus
04-27-2004, 03:51 PM
Originally posted by TheEschaton

...poor natural resources.

India suffers from all its talent coming to the States, among other things.

-TheE-


They suffer from their talent moving elsewhere, in that if their "talent" is moving elsewhere they are suffering. But you act like its some disease the can't control. Why are people moving? Because India is a poor country where a person that wants more out of life will not be able to get it. This is the same story of all immigrants to the US through-out our history, with the exception of the ones oppressed or persecuted, which boils down to the same thing, they all wanted a better life elsewhere.




And why would you say I'm posturing but not debate any point I raised? *That* is posturing, say something or shut up.

Testosterone
04-27-2004, 05:14 PM
A backlash against multiculturalism within this century is inevitable, or else the whole world is doomed.