South Beach Diet

[GSLeloo]

So due to my blood sugar my doctor has suggested I switch to South Beach diet which has less carbs and hopefully won't make my blood sugar leap so much (I went from like 56 to 148 and the normal range is 70-120).

Is anyone on this diet because I've looked at it and I'm confused as to what exactly you're supposed to eat each day. I see the meal plan but it just shows examples of each day and doesn't really tell you what you're supposed to eat. Like.. can you eat whatever you want as long as it's from the list or is there a set amount?

[Skirmisher]

Um, call your Dr.

If your Doctor is advising particular dietary changes to address a health issue, dont come here to ask for advice but check back with the one giving the advice in the first place.

[GSLeloo]

Oh no she told me to do South Beach, just get the book is what she said. But I have the book and I can't figure out this diet.

[Wezas]

My brother is currently on it and from what he told me:

First two week = no carbs (really suxor)
After that = no "white" carbs (white rice, white bread, etc.)

That's pretty much all I got out of him.

[GSLeloo]

Yeah but like.. ask him if you basically just eat what you want from the list for the first day. The last diet I was on at least outlined like you get three proteins from this list and three carbs.. like it was clear cut, this is confusing me. Not like I can eat anything more than campbells chicken soup anyway...

[Latrinsorm]

Yeah, I dunno why exactly you're starting a diet directly after surgery. The timing is a bit much, eh?

[GSLeloo]

I'm not starting it yet. Once I can actually eat solid foods i will. For now I'm on chicken soup (I had the dinosaur shaped noodles!), baked beans, mashed potatos, um.... mushy foods. but I saw the doctor two days before the surgery so I knew then I'd have to change my diet.

[Myshel]

My family did the south beach. Hubby did great, lost 35 lbs and kept it off for the past year. Basically you give up white processed foods. Anything white, flour, sugar, rice, bread, pasta. The first two weeks are the hardest, no simple carbs and a few veggies. After that you can add back in a few, like a slice of whole wheat bread and certain fruits.

Stick with protein first and few veggies. Its pretty simple actually.
Sample diet would be eggs and cheese for breakfast. Lunch hamburger pattie and small salad. Dinner Protein (fish, chicken or meat) and veggies. Snacks, yogurt or nuts. Its actually a modified Atkins. As severe in the beginning and then as the weeks go by you get some carbs back.

[Bobmuhthol]

Diets are for people who want to be healthy.

:offtopic:

[Fengus]

You would think a doctor might suggest some tests to figure out why your blood sugars are fluctuating, you could have type 1 diabetes for instance.

[Latrinsorm]

Fudge is the best mushy food.

[GSLeloo]

We're going to a specialist who is going to run a test to see my tolerance to glucose. Basically I'll be drinking this cola that has like double the amount of sugar in it and see how my body reacts to it. It's a... endocrinologist? pardon my butchering of the spelling.

[Testosterone]

South Shit diet.

Any diet works that controls intake of calories. Low carb diets restrict the food you can eat, making “bad” foods unavailable, and high fat foods less desirable. Incidentally, the restriction of carbohydrates provides an ideal environment for fat loss, eg. low insulin levels.

Count your calories, restrict carbohydrate intake, set fat intake to 30-60g a day, and eat 1gram of protein per pound bodyweight. You will lose weight this way, and be healthier.

I'd also supplement a multivitamin, calcium, vitamin d, magnesium, and fish oil. Fish oil is high in omega 3 fatty acids, which have a double bond between the third carbon on the long chain of the fatty acid.

[peam]

Hey Joe,

You ever heard of a diet that's strictly protein shakes that works? I've a friend who mentioned something about it, after he'd lost like 30-40lbs. I can't remember what he said he was on though. Some type of protein shake and a tablespoon of falxosomething.

[Testosterone]

What's up Jason,

I haven't really heard of a particular protein shake diet. I'm assuming he put flaxseed oil in it, which has a decent amount of omega 3, but I still prefer fish oil to it. Protein shakes are not ideal substitutes in a low calorie diet for a number of reasons. They don't curb hunger very well, and have fast gastric emptying rates.

Certain proteins absorb faster than others. Whey is a fast absorbing protein, and casein is slow absorbing protein, which is why Casein is the preferential protein in a low calorie diet. You can buy milk protein, which is 80% casein and 20% whey, or pure casein. Milk protein is much cheaper, but does not taste as good. For cheap protein visit www.trueprotein.com.

Jason, how’s your weight loss going? It’s rather difficult for the genetically predisposed to lose weight and keep it off. Strict caloric control must be given day in day out, for the rest of your life.

Honestly, the simplest way to lose weight is an atkins type approach with a 1 or 2 day reefed per week. Sunday-Friday, 10 kcals per pound of bodyweight for the low carb phase, consume at least 1 gram of protein per pound body weight, restrict carbohydrate intake to 30g, and have the rest come from fats. Friday-Saturday, eat anything you want, high in carbohydrates, relatively low in fat, just don’t overdue it. It has many benefits, physiological and psychological. One is restoring muscle glycogen, restoring leptin levels, restoring normal insulin levels (raises testosterone, but not ideal for fat loss), increased gh output, etc.

Conjugated training must also take place if you wish to follow this approach. Dieting without lifting weights is a disaster. You will lose much of your lean body mass, which you don’t want to do. Monday and Tuesday you can do upper body, lower body respectively. Friday you can do a full body workout.

FUCK CARDIO. CARDIO IS FOR GIRLS. CARDIO DETRAINS TYPE II MUSCLE FIBERS. CARDIO IS NOT FOR MEN.

Dietary intake can control everything that cardio does for you.

[peam]

Originally posted by Testosterone
What's up Jason,

I haven't really heard of a particular protein shake diet. I'm assuming he put flaxseed oil in it, which has a decent amount of omega 3, but I still prefer fish oil to it. Protein shakes are not ideal substitutes in a low calorie diet for a number of reasons. They don't curb hunger very well, and have fast gastric emptying rates.

Certain proteins absorb faster than others. Whey is a fast absorbing protein, and casein is slow absorbing protein, which is why Casein is the preferential protein in a low calorie diet. You can buy milk protein, which is 80% casein and 20% whey, or pure casein. Milk protein is much cheaper, but does not taste as good. For cheap protein visit www.trueprotein.com.

Jason, how?s your weight loss going? It?s rather difficult for the genetically predisposed to lose weight and keep it off. Strict caloric control must be given day in day out, for the rest of your life.

Honestly, the simplest way to lose weight is an atkins type approach with a 1 or 2 day reefed per week. Sunday-Friday, 10 kcals per pound of bodyweight for the low carb phase, consume at least 1 gram of protein per pound body weight, restrict carbohydrate intake to 30g, and have the rest come from fats. Friday-Saturday, eat anything you want, high in carbohydrates, relatively low in fat, just don?t overdue it. It has many benefits, physiological and psychological. One is restoring muscle glycogen, restoring leptin levels, restoring normal insulin levels (raises testosterone, but not ideal for fat loss), increased gh output, etc.

Conjugated training must also take place if you wish to follow this approach. Dieting without lifting weights is a disaster. You will lose much of your lean body mass, which you don?t want to do. Monday and Tuesday you can do upper body, lower body respectively. Friday you can do a full body workout.

FUCK CARDIO. CARDIO IS FOR GIRLS. CARDIO DETRAINS TYPE II MUSCLE FIBERS. CARDIO IS NOT FOR MEN.

Dietary intake can control everything that cardio does for you.

I've been doing semi-alright. I haven't really lost much, but weight has shifted around, making me look a little more porportioned.

This Summer, I've a friend moving in who'll actually go lift with me, so that's the plan. Hopefully, after a Summer of working out, and finally getting to start rugby in the Fall, I'll start to drop the weight quick.

[Nakiro]

So I'm thinking of dieting this summer.

Test, you say I can lose more weight if I, say, work out two to four times a week, rather than jog two to four times a week (same amount of time commitment either way)?

[Scott]

Thank god I don't get fat and ever have to worry about this crap. Counting carbs, fat, sugar, etc.... I would kill myself if I had to do that......

I think diets are a waste of time. I understand if your sugar is high or whatever, but to lose weight.... no. Doing something besides sitting on your ass really does help. Most people go on these diets, but they are still lazy as hell. Great, your no longer fat.... however you are still out of shape. Eat like a normal person, get off the computer or stop watching TV, go for a run or pick up a sport. You want to eat healthy food, that's great. However, just because you eat healthy, doesn't mean that you shouldn't do anything besides sit....

[Faent]

>>Diets are for people who want to be healthy. -Bob

Normal, functioning individuals want to be healthy. One day, when you grow up and out of this adolescent, teen-angst ridden phase, you'll want to be healthy too. =)

That said, I don't understand why people diet. Just eat healthy foods in reasonable proportions and get exercise. Provided you eat good food, you can easily stuff your face on two thousand calories a day. Couple that with a regular exercise and you'll be in shape in no time.

I start off with a big bowl of ceral (kashi, oatmeal, raisan bran), grapefruit, snacks of apples and oranges all day, a protein bar or sandwich for lunch, more healthy snacking (fruit, carrots, pickles), eat a nice dinner, keep snacking, etc... after this, I have plenty of caloric room left for several beers, wine, sorbet, whatever...

Monday, Wednesday, and Friday I lift and put in thirty minutes of aerobic exercise (bicyling or a mile swim), and Tuesday, Thursday, and Saturday I run 3.5 miles. Sunday's my day off.

It's quite fun being healthy. And if you're healthy 90% of the time, the super-sized happy meal or the triple pepperoni pizza every once in awhile doesn't hurt you at all. You'll be happier, more energetic, more productive despite the time you spend at the gym, and you'll have a six pack to boot!

-Scott

[longshot]

Originally posted by peam

....
I can't remember what he said he was on though. Some type of protein shake and a tablespoon of falxosomething.

Flax-seed oil.

It has to be cold pressed.

It tastes awful. I mean terrible.

It is probably the best source of Omega-3 fatty acids that you can ingest.

As far as fat goes, stay away from fried food. These have trans fat, which is just good at making you fatter. They are mutant strains of fat formed from heating oils to high temperatures.


Originally posted by Gemstone101

I think diets are a waste of time. I understand if your sugar is high or whatever, but to lose weight.... no. Doing something besides sitting on your ass really does help. Most people go on these diets, but they are still lazy as hell. Great, your no longer fat.... however you are still out of shape. Eat like a normal person, get off the computer or stop watching TV, go for a run or pick up a sport. You want to eat healthy food, that's great. However, just because you eat healthy, doesn't mean that you shouldn't do anything besides sit....

So true.

It doesn't take long either.

An hour three times a week.

[Drew2]

While I agree with much of what Testosterone said (and learned a few new things), I wonder if the opinoin of "Cardio is for women" could be elaborated on. I've been under the impression that cardiovascular exercise was beneficial period. Lowers resting heart rate, helps maintain flexibility (swimming, high intensity sports), etc.

I could be totally off, but It's just what I've been taught.

[Edaarin]

No amount of dieting can keep weight off in the long run (unless you count anorexia...) without exercise. It's why so many people slide after losing weight.

That, and people for some reason order a Diet Coke with their super sized BK value meal and think one offsets the other.

[DianaBanana]

It's almost 9am and I just ate a bunch of skittles. Yum. :P

[Soulpieced]

Well, my story is that I started my what I'll call "lifestyle change" back in November 2001. I stopped drinking soda, started drinking ~ 2 quarts of water every day, and cut down on saturated fat. I weighed 210 pounds or so when I started. After about a year I was down to 190. And then I stagnated at 185 (my target weight). As has been said by professionals, the only way you can keep off weight is if you have a lifestyle change and not a diet, and lose the weight over TIME, and not 10 pounds in 2 weeks.

That said, I tore the lateral meniscus in my knee back in August, and I've had virtually no exercise except for walking for the past 8 months. Though I'm a little flabby, I still weigh 185 pounds. I usually lifted 2-3 times a week and played basketball for cardio.

The moral of the story is water + low fat + exercise = good.

[Edited on 4-26-2004 by Soulpieced]

[Chyrain]

Turning to a low carb way of eating isn't going to work if you think of it like a "diet." Diets tend to be thought of as temporary. If you want to lose weight doing anything, you have to make a complete lifestyle change.

There are a few myths I want to disspel about any low carb diet.

First of all, It's NEVER "no carb." Vegetables, Cheese, Fruit and most condiments all of carbs in them. Most induction phases of low carb diets allow for 20g of carb per day...FOR TWO WEEKS...then you gradually add in more carbs per week until you find the amount where either your weight loss stalls or your blood sugar gets out of whack again. Then you know exactly what your body requires.

Second, Someone up there said that restricting calories is the only way to lose weight. AGREED! However, eating a high carbohydrate diet leaves a body craving more carbs which leads to eating more carbs which leads to consuming more calories. Those who eat a high protein, low carb diet are not as hungry, and their bodies don't crave the carb loaded foods that shoot through your system so quickly. Therefore, eating a lower carb diet tends to give you a lower calorie diet without really thinking about it. When I went low carb, I went from eating like 3,000 calories a day to 1,500 without even noticing.

Third, the most important thing I've found in dealing with people's weightloss is the fact that water and caffeine make all the difference. If you're trying to lose weight and you're drinking 6 cups of coffee a day or a six-pack of mountain dew, good luck! And this may sound like a lot, but you should drink .69 X <your body weight> in oz of water every single day if you want to lose weight.

Fourth, eating low-carb does not mean eating 17 pounds of meat a day either. I've never eaten so many vegetables and fruit in my life since starting low-carb. A serving size of meat (or protein, whatever) is 3oz. That is about the size of the palm of your hand. If you're eating 5 servings of meat in a sitting, you're not following the perscribed low-carb diets of either Atkins, SouthBeach, Protein Power, etc. etc.

I have a bazillion things to say, but I'll stop.

[GSLeloo]

Just a weird fact my doctor told me, did you know you can actually die from drinking too much water?

[Testosterone]

You can die from eating too much food, drinking too much water, and just about anything else you put in your body.

My hypothesis "Cardio is for woman"
We must first agree on the goal of a diet. The goal of any diet i undertake is the preservation of Lean Body Mass (LBM) and the usage of existing triglycerides (fat) in adipose tissue as fuel.

1) Cardio detrains type II muscle fibers, which are fast twitch fibers. These fibers are specifically activated in weightlifting, or resistance training.
2) Cardio, specifically running, is detrimental your joints. The pressures applied during running on your skeletal system are basically 5 times your bodyweight. This is obviously horrible for anyone that's not anorexic.
3) A caloric deficit of say 500 calories more per day would derive the same result as an hour or so of cardio.
4) Weight training, with relative high intensity burns the same amount of calories as a session of cardio, and elevates your metabolism for 36-48 hours after.
5) Cardio sucks, and I hate doing it.


Now that we all agree cardio sucks, and resistance training is superior we can move on.


No amount of dieting can keep weight off in the long run (unless you count anorexia...) without exercise. It's why so many people slide after losing weight.
WRONG. A precise diet will keep weight off. You cannot gain weight if you're eating less than you're expending.


Secondly, an atkins type approach to dieting may be good for females, who have no lean body mass to lose, but to males it sucks. Glycogen depletion is the prefect environment for catabolic pathways to consume muscular protein.

As someone stated, you cannot eat everything you want with low carb. People tend to lose their appetites with high fat, high protein, low carb foods so in turn they do eat less. It does not means you cannot eat unlimited amounts of food.

[Chyrain]

Originally posted by GSLeloo
Just a weird fact my doctor told me, did you know you can actually die from drinking too much water?


you would have to drink a crapton of water on a serious regular basis to do that.

First of all, water makes up a bulk of the human body. Just by the moisture in the air you breath, you are losing water. And a lot more than you think you are. I heard a number once and I don't remember it right this second, but I was shocked. It's over a quart. It might be two quarts of water that the body loses a day. If you don't replenish that, you will feel like shit.

I'm surprised how many people walk around feeling like ass and not knowing that they actually feel so bad. The minute they start eating healthier or drinking the water their body needs, they're shocked they feel so much better.

They say that by the time you actually feel thirsty, you're already on your way to dehydration. AND another thing is that when you feel hungry, it is mostly your body telling you that you are thirsty. The best thing that I've done is when I start to feel hungry, I down a 16oz glass of water, wait ten minutes and if I'm still feeling hungry, then I eat. Especially when I've been eating regularly that day. (I eat a little something every couple of hours.)

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by Faent
>>Diets are for people who want to be That said, I don't understand why people diet. Just eat healthy foods in reasonable proportions and get exercise. Provided you eat good food, you can easily stuff your face on two thousand calories a day. Couple that with a regular exercise and you'll be in shape in no time.I bet there's people who can get fat off of that. I figure if I can stay skinny on like 3000 calories and barely any exercise, somebody's got to be at the other end of the spectrum.
Originally posted by Testosterone
Cardio, specifically running, is detrimental your joints.Yep. It's still fun though. :)
Originally posted by Chyrain
They say that by the time you actually feel thirsty, you're already on your way to dehydration. My coach told us that if we didn't have to go to the bathroom, we should be drinking water. I never subscribed to that theory, because how do you go to sleep? He was a weird guy.

[Faent]

>>That, and people for some reason order a Diet Coke with their super sized BK value meal and think one offsets the other.

Um, it helps though.

-Scott

[GSLeloo]

What I do find funny is my friend thinks she can eat ice cream for breakfast, skittles during class, a king size chicken nugget meal with a ice cream shake and a double hamburger for lunch... and then whatever else she eats. And with eating all that she thinks spending an hour at the gym will help her lose weight.

[Testosterone]

Originally posted by Faent
>>That, and people for some reason order a Diet Coke with their super sized BK value meal and think one offsets the other.

Um, it helps though.

-Scott

No, it's not that it "helps" it's that they think it's a magic cure. They think because they got a "diet coke" that they won't gain any weight, and it will offset the rest of the meal. This attitude is pathetic, and worthless.

Fast food can be eaten healthy, but not with super sized fries.

When i go to wendys i get:
grilled chicken, potato, large chili, diet soda. Healthy, and good for carbups.

[Faent]

The resident Nazi freak is, once again, crazy.

>>Cardio detrains type II muscle fibers, which are fast twitch fibers. These fibers are specifically activated in weightlifting, or resistance training. -Nazi

Even if that's true, who gives a shit? Is the Nazi freak suggesting that men should train their Type II muscle fibers to the exclusion of their Type I muscle fibers? Is this more of your idiotic gender stereotyping? Do "real men" have to train for Olympic lifts?

Moderate cardio is very good for you. Granted, too much running will rip your muscles up pretty badly and wreak havoc on your body, but a few miles a few times a week won't harm you at all.

>>Cardio, specifically running, is detrimental your joints. The pressures applied during running on your skeletal system are basically 5 times your bodyweight. This is obviously horrible for anyone that's not anorexic. -Nazi

Moderate running doesn't hurt your joints. Or at least, you certainly can't prove that it does.

>>A caloric deficit of say 500 calories more per day would derive the same result as an hour or so of cardio. -Nazi

Without the benefits cardio provides, sure. And at the expense of enjoying good food.

>>Weight training, with relative high intensity burns the same amount of calories as a session of cardio, and elevates your metabolism for 36-48 hours after. -Nazi

Building muscle elevates your metabolism permanently. Resting muscle burns many more calories than resting fat.

>>Cardio sucks, and I hate doing it. -Nazi

Who cares what you like? Lots of people enjoy cardio.

>>Now that we all agree cardio sucks, and resistance training is superior we can move on. -Nazi

Negative, Nazi freak.

-Scott

[Hulkein]

Thanks Richard Simmons.

[Faent]

>>No, it's not that it "helps" it's that they think it's a magic cure. They think because they got a "diet coke" that they won't gain any weight, and it will offset the rest of the meal. This attitude is pathetic, and worthless. -Nazi

I recommend you quite trying to psychoanalyze people. Chances are, you're the idiot. Nine times out of ten, I'll bet the three hundred pound woman who orders a diet coke with her Big Mac and fries doesn't think she's not going to gain weight because of it. You lose.

-Scott

[Hulkein]

Yes they do, I worked at McDonalds for a year when I was 14 (hey, I needed a job) and I know for a fact many of them order the diet soda so they don't feel as guilty.

Is there really any point to disagreeing with everything someone says just because you dislike them?

Typo.

[Edited on 4-27-2004 by Hulkein]

[GSLeloo]

CHILDREN. This was made to discuss a particular diet, not bash each other. Unless any of you are nutritionists you can all be wrong. The need to insult each other only shows your decreased intelligence so make your own thread if you wish but this was a thread asking for help about one diet, not a license to attack each other.

[Hulkein]

All I know is peam asked for Testosterone's advice and he obliged. Then Faent came in and disagreed just for the sake of disagreeing with someone because he dislikes his posts in other threads.

My input is stop being a pussy and if you have a problem with it then bring it up in a thread that is there to hash out the differences.

[Testosterone]

Even if that's true, who gives a shit? Is the Nazi freak suggesting that men should train their Type II muscle fibers to the exclusion of their Type I muscle fibers? Is this more of your idiotic gender stereotyping? Do "real men" have to train for Olympic lifts?

Moderate cardio is very good for you. Granted, too much running will rip your muscles up pretty badly and wreak havoc on your body, but a few miles a few times a week won't harm you at all.

Uh, I don’t want to lose my type II muscle fibers. I weight train to gain muscle and strength, not endurance. You’re a moron, and I think everyone can see this.

Secondly, I incorporate no Olympic lifts into my training regime. Nice try though.



Moderate running doesn't hurt your joints. Or at least, you certainly can't prove that it does.
Running puts 5 times the stress of your bodyweight on your joints. So yes, it does. Nice try, again.


Without the benefits cardio provides, sure. And at the expense of enjoying good food.
What benefits of cardio, are not benefits of weight training? I’d rather eat 500 less calories, than run for an hour. That’s me, and I think the vast majority of people agree.


Building muscle elevates your metabolism permanently. Resting muscle burns many more calories than resting fat.
Really, genius? When did you figure that out? Even though you’re wrong. Resting muscle does not burn many calories, active muscle burns many calories. On the other hand, fat doesn’t burn anything.


Who cares what you like? Lots of people enjoy cardio.

I think we’ve proven that you lack any knowledge of dieting physiology. You do not have any real life experience, and lack any background in science to substantiate your claims. Thus, we can conclude you’re a troll.

It's obvious to any logical person in this thread that Faent is a moron.

[Edited on 4-27-2004 by Testosterone]

[Hulkein]

I'm not disagreeing Leloo. Faent should've let out his pent up anger on him in a thread that is actually discussing topics in which it would be appropriate to call him a Nazi.

[GSLeloo]

And let's be a little realistic, for everything you do that is good for you there will always be some way in which it is bad. Just like everything helps you and everything causes cancer. So you can argue until you're blue in the face but every point you make will have a valid counterpoint.

[Testosterone]

I find it amusing that Faent is trying to argue with me in an area i specialize. I will let him make a fool out of himself. Please post your "rebuttal."

Either way, you did not disprove anything I said in my origional post.

[Edited on 4-27-2004 by Testosterone]

[Faent]

>>Yes they do, I worked at McDonalds for a year when I was 14 (hey, I needed a job) and I know for a fact many of them order the diet soda so they don't feel as guilty.

There is a difference in ordering a diet soda so they don't feel as guilty (they aren't) and in ordering a diet soda thinking that because they ordered the diet soda, they wouldn't get fatter.

Nazi freak here made the latter claim. The reason Nazi freak made that claim is, I suspect, closely connected with Nazi freak's belief that all fat women are stupider than him. Unfortunately, Nazi freak is the idiot here, per usual.

>>No, you're a faggot with no comprehension of dieting physiology. Go back to your own little world, you faery. -Nazi

Hmm. I think we've adequately substantiated your status as an uneducated Nazi freak. Given the level of comprehension you've shown yourself capable of, I doubt that your grasp of physiology is more than superficial. I'd be surprised to find that you have a brain for physiology when the rest of your mental faculties lag so far behind. In any case, you haven't substantiated that I'm a homosexual while we have substantiated that you've got Nazi leanings. Additionally, my "little world" is far more educated than yours. Please continue to stick to the gym with the rest of your skinhead buddies and believe whatever the hell you want...

-Scott

[Testosterone]

Faent, do you notice the ass you are making out of yourself?

What exactly is a Nazi? Can you define it?

What exactly does a Nazi have anything to do with a thread on dieting physiology?

[Edited on 4-27-2004 by Testosterone]

[GSLeloo]

Ok I am requesting to any Mod out there to remove their posts and make it their own thread.

[Faent]

>>All I know is peam asked for Testosterone's advice and he obliged. Then Faent came in and disagreed just for the sake of disagreeing with someone because he dislikes his posts in other threads. -Hulkein

No, I disagreed because, per usual, Nazi's comments are chauvinistic, uneducated, and reek of his personal (often absurd) opinions.

Fat women who order diet coke think they're not overeating when they plow through a biggie sized order of fries in virtue of the fact that their soda is diet? Please. More uncharitable bigotry from - guess who? - the resident bigot. I'm referring to Testy as a Nazi because this thread now smacks of bigotry, and I like making ad hominem arguments.

Cardio is only for women? You listen to this Nazi?

-Scott

[Testosterone]

You haven't made one decent point in this whole thread. Please offer a "rebuttal" to any of my posts that are diet physiology related. I already ate up your first attempt, and subsequent attempts will result in the same outcome.

[GSLeloo]

Faent I do not support Testy at all, I think he's a jackass and just plain wrong BUT you are making yourself look like the ignorant idiot right now. Stop making yourself out to be an asshole, shut up and let this die.

[Testosterone]

You may disagree with my view of the world and culture, I’ll consent to that. But you cannot disagree with the factuality’s of dieting, and human physiology.

[Faent]

>>Faent should've let out his pent up anger on him in a thread that is actually discussing topics in which it would be appropriate to call him a Nazi. -Hulkein

>>What exactly does a Nazi have anything to do with a thread on dieting physiology? -Bigot

I gave my reasons for calling him a Nazi in my previous post. I'm simply refering to his bigoted attitude and drawing a parallel with other examples of his bigotry.

>>Either way, you did not disprove anything I said in my origional post. -Nazi

You are correct. You didn't prove anything in your original post, so I simply rebutted it.

>>Uh, I don’t want to lose my type II muscle fibers. I weight train to gain muscle and strength, not endurance. -Bigot

All men should weight train to gain muscle and strength? All women should weight train to gain endurance? Cardio is for girls, remember? Cardio trains Type I muscle fibers. That's for girls. Men train Type II muscle fibers.

>>You’re a moron, and I think everyone can see this. -Bigot

LoL. What you perceive and what other people think are often entirely different.

>>What benefits of cardio, are not benefits of weight training? I’d rather eat 500 less calories, than run for an hour. That’s me, and I think the vast majority of people agree. -Bigot

First of all, your punctuation is atrocious. Secondly, there's no need to do cardio for an hour. Thirty minutes three times a week is excellent. Thirdly, running is not the only form of a cardiovascular exercise. Try swimming, aerobics, biking, basketball, most sports, etc... I suspect the vast majority of people would rather play an active sport than weight train. You're far too out of touch with the facts and reality to offer any consistently valuable input.

-Scott

[Faent]

>>I think we’ve proven that you lack any knowledge of dieting physiology. -Nazi/Bigot

Unfortunately, you saying so doesn't make it so.

>>You do not have any real life experience, and lack any background in science to substantiate your claims. -Bigot

Experience with what? Healthy eating? Reguarly workouts? I can tell you everything I've eaten in the past month. I can give you an up to the minute calorie count if you'd like. I work out six days a week - three hours of cardio per week and three hours of weight lifting. Oh yes, and I have degrees in both the sciences (chemistry) and the humanities (philosophy).

>>It's obvious to any logical person in this thread that Faent is a moron. -Bigot

You don't even know what logic is, son.

-Scott

[DeV]

Originally posted by Faent

Secondly, there's no need to do cardio for an hour. Thirty minutes three times a week is excellent. Thirdly, running is not the only form of a cardiovascular exercise. Try swimming, aerobics, biking, basketball, most sports, etc... I suspect the vast majority of people would rather play an active sport than weight train. You're far too out of touch with the facts and reality to offer any consistently valuable input.

-Scott I agree with these sugestions to staying in shape and keeping fit. Weight training is a great idea as well, but if your trying to lose weight cardio is your best bet to start off, IMO.

[Faent]

>>You may disagree with my view of the world and culture, I’ll consent to that. But you cannot disagree with the factuality’s of dieting, and human physiology. -Testy

Am I to assume you can read and comprehend physiology when you write so hideously? When you demonstrate a robust capacity for citing horrendous sources, should I expect you to be able to evaluate the extensive and conflicting literature for accuracy, good science, and so forth?

Here's your grammatically corrected sentence:

>>"You may disagree with my view of the world and culture; I’ll consent to that. But you cannot disagree with the factualities of dieting and human physiology."

-Scott

[GSLeloo]

SO SOUTH BEACH DIET IS COOL. YOU REMOVE ALL CARBS AND FRUITS FOR THE FIRST TWO WEEKS TO SORT OF DETOX YOUR BODY. AFTER THAT YOU ADD THEM BACK IN SLOWLY AND CONTINUE ON WITH YOUR WEIGHT LOSS. IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE VERY GOOD FOR YOUR BLOOD SUGAR. I THINK IT WILL BE LOTS OF FUN AND THIS IS WHAT THE THREAD WAS MADE FOR.

~glares~

[Testosterone]

All men should weight train to gain muscle and strength? All women should weight train to gain endurance? Cardio is for girls, remember? Cardio trains Type I muscle fibers. That's for girls. Men train Type II muscle fibers.

Females don’t tend to train for strength, or muscle size. Secondly, they have lower BMR (Basal Metabolic Rates), therefore cardio is necessary for a few points. Let me detail them for you.

1) To get a decent caloric deficit, for a female, cardio is necessary.
2) Calories must be kept above 1200, anything less will risk muscle mass and health. You must consume 1 gram of protein per pound bodyweight, to spare lean mass and also intake a decent amount of EFA’s (essential fatty acids) to remain healthy, keep hormonal levels in check, as well as cellular bi-lipid membranes, etc…. Also a few carbohydrates per day are necessary for the function of the brain. This usually adds up to 1200 kcals a day.
3) Therefore, females that have metabolic rates of 1500kcal must do cardio if they want a caloric deficit over 300kcals a day.




First of all, your punctuation is atrocious. Secondly, there's no need to do cardio for an hour. Thirty minutes three times a week is excellent. Thirdly, running is not the only form of a cardiovascular exercise. Try swimming, aerobics, biking, basketball, most sports, etc... I suspect the vast majority of people would rather play an active sport than weight train. You're far too out of touch with the facts and reality to offer any consistently valuable input.
Wow, basketball? Can it get any worse? Running as well as jumping around.. that applies tremendous pressure to the joints.


Dude, you didn’t even disprove anything in my original post, much less your current waste of time. Can’t you try harder?

[Faent]

>>SO SOUTH BEACH DIET IS COOL. YOU REMOVE ALL CARBS AND FRUITS FOR THE FIRST TWO WEEKS TO SORT OF DETOX YOUR BODY. AFTER THAT YOU ADD THEM BACK IN SLOWLY AND CONTINUE ON WITH YOUR WEIGHT LOSS. IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE VERY GOOD FOR YOUR BLOOD SUGAR. I THINK IT WILL BE LOTS OF FUN AND THIS IS WHAT THE THREAD WAS MADE FOR. -Leloo

Sorry Leloo. =) This started with the suggestion that a consistent and moderate exercise regimen coupled with reasonable, healthy eating is better than any diet. (Particularly a diet that eliminates very healthy foods like fruit.) I hope that point is worth at least some consideration after this.

-Scott

[Testosterone]

Originally posted by GSLeloo
SO SOUTH BEACH DIET IS COOL. YOU REMOVE ALL CARBS AND FRUITS FOR THE FIRST TWO WEEKS TO SORT OF DETOX YOUR BODY. AFTER THAT YOU ADD THEM BACK IN SLOWLY AND CONTINUE ON WITH YOUR WEIGHT LOSS. IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE VERY GOOD FOR YOUR BLOOD SUGAR. I THINK IT WILL BE LOTS OF FUN AND THIS IS WHAT THE THREAD WAS MADE FOR.

~glares~

Sounds like a rip of atkins to me. Fruits are good for replenishing liver glycogen. They are primarily glucose and fructose, and are relatively low on the glycemic index. They really have little impact on blood sugar.

Secondly, the two week no carb makes a bit of sense. You become accustomed to ketosis, and also deplete muscle and liver glycogen and "clean" out your system I guess. Ketosis is a pretty good environment for fat loss, but not “gods gift” as people love to think.

Like i said.

Permanent weight loss can only occur through precise caloric control. Otherwise you will return to your homeostatic setpoint. Many hormones control this return, Leptin being the primary one. Testosterone, IGF-1, Insulin, Cortisol, etc.

[Testosterone]

Originally posted by Faent
>>SO SOUTH BEACH DIET IS COOL. YOU REMOVE ALL CARBS AND FRUITS FOR THE FIRST TWO WEEKS TO SORT OF DETOX YOUR BODY. AFTER THAT YOU ADD THEM BACK IN SLOWLY AND CONTINUE ON WITH YOUR WEIGHT LOSS. IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE VERY GOOD FOR YOUR BLOOD SUGAR. I THINK IT WILL BE LOTS OF FUN AND THIS IS WHAT THE THREAD WAS MADE FOR. -Leloo

Sorry Leloo. =) This started with the suggestion that a consistent and moderate exercise regimen coupled with reasonable, healthy eating is better than any diet. (Particularly a diet that eliminates very healthy foods like fruit.) I hope that point is worth at least some consideration after this.

-Scott

How do you back up these idiotic claims? I proved there’s no difference between caloric deficit with weight training, and cardio with "healthy eating."

You cannot know possibly how much you're eating if you don't count calories. You can only have a vague assessment at best. Counting calories, in conjuction with “eating healthy” low glycemic index foods, fruits, vegetables and the likes of is superior to your bullshit strategy.

[GSLeloo]

Because no one wants to spend their life counting calories. You are wrong in many senses simply because you are not being realistic. Once a person realizes portion size, sensible foods, limited foods, good/bad fats, good/bad carbs, they can then live their life normally but incorporate that into it.

[Testosterone]

No one wants to count calories. No one wants to be fat

BUT EVERYONE IS FUCKING FAT.

Do you see a correlation?

I've said this a million times. Counting calories is the only way to permanent weight loss. Sensible portions and an active lifestyle won't cut it if you're predisposed to being fat.

Counting calories consumes honestly, 15 minutes of my day. It is very efficient, and I love doing it. There’s no other way.

[Testosterone]

Get your ass off this site for 15 minutes a day, and learn to count calories. Stop making excuses and stop being lazy.

[Hulkein]

I count calories for humor... for instance I just ate about 540 worth of them from 12 oreos. I don't gain weight unless it's from eating high amounts of protein and carbs and lifting.

[DeV]

Originally posted by GSLeloo
Because no one wants to spend their life counting calories. You are wrong in many senses simply because you are not being realistic. Once a person realizes portion size, sensible foods, limited foods, good/bad fats, good/bad carbs, they can then live their life normally but incorporate that into it. Oh so true..

[Faent]

>>This started with the suggestion that a consistent and moderate exercise regimen coupled with reasonable, healthy eating is better than any diet. -Scott

>>How do you back up these idiotic claims? -Nazi

You are a crazy Nazi, aren't you? Get logic and reason, boy. You've got to be a freaking fool to call that idiotic.

>>superior to your bullshit strategy. -Nazi

Healthy eating and consistent exercise is a bullshit strategy? Go find a life, skinhead. You're so wound up in your pursuit of neo-Nazi ideals and muscles you can't see the forest for the trees.

-Scott

[Faent]

>>No one wants to count calories. No one wants to be fat BUT EVERYONE IS FUCKING FAT. Do you see a correlation? -Nazi

Some people do want to count calories. Some people do want to be fat. (Historically, many cultures have valued fat individuals more highly than thin individuals.) Everyone is not fat. So no, I don't see the correlation, you brilliant master of hyperbole and moronic generalizations.

-Scott

[Edaarin]

I don't count calories. I guess my body looks all right.

[Snapp]

Originally posted by Edaarin
I don't count calories. I guess my body looks all right.

For someone who's morbidly obese maybe.

[AnticorRifling]

I eat whatever I want and then cry myself to sleep. It's been working so far.

[GSLeloo]

Originally posted by AnticorRifling
I eat whatever I want and then cry myself to sleep. It's been working so far.

:lol: Best thing in this thread so far.

[Testosterone]

Originally posted by Faent
>>No one wants to count calories. No one wants to be fat BUT EVERYONE IS FUCKING FAT. Do you see a correlation? -Nazi

Some people do want to count calories. Some people do want to be fat. (Historically, many cultures have valued fat individuals more highly than thin individuals.) Everyone is not fat. So no, I don't see the correlation, you brilliant master of hyperbole and moronic generalizations.

-Scott

Grade A clown. Go get fat and die at 25 because some culture in the past valued obesity as a sign of wealth.

[GSLeloo]

Obesity was a sign of wealth because you had to have the money in order to eat. and he was trying to prove a historical point, not suggest he was actually considering it. I swear we need an eject button to get rid of posters from certain threads.

[Testosterone]

Really genius? I guess i didn't know that, thanks for elaborating. His analysis was flawed, and downright stupid. Just like your comment.

Let’s go say the world is flat because some culture in the past believed so. Or how about, let’s go crucify people because some culture in the past believed so.

[GSTamral]

<<<
Really genius? I guess i didn't know that, thanks for elaborating. His analysis was flawed, and downright stupid. Just like your comment.

Let’s go say the world is flat because some culture in the past believed so. Or how about, let’s go crucify people because some culture in the past believed so.
>>>


Being it you're not a doctor, your analysis is equally stupid and flawed.

As for the world is flat and such, odd that you would insult the race your see as superior, as it was white christians from europe that propagated the first stupid rumor, and the roots of your superior culture that used crucifiction, a practice that was continued for many hundreds of years.

Keep spitting out your rhetoric though. I'm sure your 5 dollar an hour job lets you be online all day if you want to.

[Testosterone]

Being a doctor makes someone versed in exercise physiology and anabolic steroids?

Ohh.. i'm sorry, most doctors say that atkins diet kills you, and that anabolic steroids do also. Yes, that's it. Being a doctor means you cannot be wrong.

Quit distorting my views.

[GSLeloo]

Most Doctors don't know anything about Atkins because it is relatively new and we don't really know the long term effects it can cause yet.

[The Korean]

Atkins is good, for a short-term diet only. It may be low in carbs, but it's high in cholesterol. It's good for weight loss short term, then after you've reached your desired weight, you change your diet to something else. But people who stay on the Atkins...BAD BAD BAD BAD!!!! you're gonna kill yourself that way....

and if someone's already posted this info, feh for you, i'm too lazy to see if it has been.

[Wezas]

Beginning of this year I decided to start eating healthier. But I know what I like to eat. So I made a decision to start eating breakfast, eat healthier dinners, and eat healthier on the weekends. I still eat crap for lunch. I'll go out to Don Pablos or Ruby Tuesdays with people from work and have a burger and fries.

Also, I don't eat salads, as I hate almost all vegetables (except for corn and for some reason artichoke).

I don't count calories. I don't exercise much (very rare). But I am happy with my weight loss. It's not an absolute law that you need to count calories, you just need to have an idea of what you're taking in and set limits.

[GSLeloo]

Corn is actually considered more of a startch, not sure about artichokes. ~ducks her head~

But that is a great idea Wezas! once I'm able to eat again I'm gonna be starting the diet this thread is named after. from what people have said it's a smart diet and I'm excited to start and to be healthier.

[Testosterone]

Low carb dieting is very efficient. I laid out the reasons before. Low carb does not mean you have to eat huge amounts of saturated fats. Also, your theory that the atkins diet raises cholesterol has been disproved by many studies.

I eat low carb on weekdays. 40-70g carbs, 270g protein, 50g fat.

Weekends i carbup.

Simple, yet effective.

[Testosterone]

Most fat people are insulin resistant, and the pancreas is forced to pump out huge amounts of insulin to transport glucose into the cell. This insulin takes a toll on your energy, metabolic rate, etc. The presence of high amounts of insulin makes it pretty much impossible to lose weight. This is a prime reason many people are successful on a low carb approach.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2002-11-18-adkins_x.htm

Study: Atkins diet good for cholesterol

Read for yourself.

[Testosterone]

Secondly, we evolved on a high protein diet, much higher than today’s standard intake. This is what our body needs. There were no 500 grams of carbohydrates per day 10,000 years ago. We are carnivores, and protein does us good.

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by Testosterone
We are carnivores, and protein does us good.We are omnivores, but the second part is correct.

[Testosterone]

My bad, you're right.

I peep their game man.

Atkins dies from slip-and-fall related injury...

But the truth comes out that he suffered a massive heart-attack while choking to death on a piece of non-carb beef jerky.

Oh, and don't lie to yourself, eggs are not healthy. They will grow baby chickens in your stomach that will pop out through your pectoral cavity like in the movie "Aliens," be warned.
:barf:

[GSLeloo]

....:spam2::troll::wtf: