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Cephalopod
01-14-2011, 09:52 AM
This has been HUGE news on Facebook! The violent rhetoric is spewing!



The stars might not actually be aligned in your favor (http://www.startribune.com/lifestyle/style/113100139.html?elr=KArksUUUoDEy3LGDiO7aiU)

A recent Harris Poll found that 31 percent of Americans believe in astrology. They're wrong -- although not necessarily in the way their detractors might cite.

The ancient Babylonians based zodiac signs on the constellation the sun was "in" on the day a person was born. During the ensuing millenniums, the moon's gravitational pull has made the Earth "wobble" around its axis, creating about a one-month bump in the stars' alignment.

The result?

"When [astrologers] say that the sun is in Pisces, it's really not in Pisces," said Parke Kunkle, a board member of the Minnesota Planetarium Society.

Indeed, most horoscope readers who consider themselves Pisces are actually Aquarians. So instead of being sensitive, humane and idealistic, they actually are friendly, loyal and inventive.

Or not.

There is no physical connection between constellations and personality traits, said Kunkle, who teaches astronomy at Minneapolis Community and Technical College. "Sure, we can connect harvest to the stars," he said. "But personality? No."

Astronomers have pooh-poohed astrology from the get-go, but Kunkle hedged when asked if astrology can bring people to his science.

"Historically, people looked at the sky to understand the world around us," he said. "But today I don't think people who are into astrology look at the sky very much."

But they do look at horoscopes. And now they have an explanation for why a day might not have turned out exactly as predicted.

Astrology buffs should be using these dates, reflecting where the stars currently are aligned:
Capricorn: Jan. 20-Feb. 16.
Aquarius: Feb. 16-March 11.
Pisces: March 11-April 18.
Aries: April 18-May 13.
Taurus: May 13-June 21.
Gemini: June 21-July 20.
Cancer: July 20-Aug. 10.
Leo: Aug. 10-Sept. 16.
Virgo: Sept. 16-Oct. 30.
Libra: Oct. 30-Nov. 23.
Scorpio: Nov. 23-29.
Ophiuchus: Nov. 29-Dec. 17.
Sagittarius: Dec. 17-Jan. 20.



And some amusing commentary (http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2011/01/a_spiritual_science.php?utm_source=mostactive&utm_medium=link) from a non-believer.

Asha
01-14-2011, 09:55 AM
Holy fuck I'm Sagittarius. Gutted.

Deathravin
01-14-2011, 09:57 AM
If our astrological symbols have changed since they were thought up so long ago, there's 3 options:
1) Keep what we have
2) Change to what is now 'correct' based on earth's current rotation/wobble.
3) Use this opportunity to stamp out another superstition in favor of logic and reason.

#3 is a pipe dream. #2 seems a fairly logical course of action, so that probably won't happen. #1 is what's probably going to happen - people hate change.

DCSL
01-14-2011, 09:57 AM
Yeah, this shit is hilarious.

Suppa Hobbit Mage
01-14-2011, 10:00 AM
I bet there are quite a few astrologists here. Seriously, I bet there are.

WRoss
01-14-2011, 10:04 AM
Bets on Suckerfish telling us that this is a conspiracy headed by the Interracialdepartmentalists of the Atlantis League of Transcendentasexuallismists?

Cephalopod
01-14-2011, 10:07 AM
I did think about tying this into the Illuminati stuff, but I can't be bothered to parse all his gibberish and find where this fits.

Androidpk
01-14-2011, 10:17 AM
WTF is ophiucus

NocturnalRob
01-14-2011, 10:22 AM
Who cares?

IorakeWarhammer
01-14-2011, 10:32 AM
"Don't put faith in the stars." ~ The Holy Qur'an

Stanley Burrell
01-14-2011, 10:40 AM
A recent Harris Poll found that 31 percent of Americans believe in astrology.

Ummmm. Believe as in, like, I believe in Christianity because I know Christian people and observe churches.

Or believe as in, like, women?

NocturnalRob
01-14-2011, 10:48 AM
Ummmm. Believe as in, like, I believe in Christianity because I know Christian people and observe churches.

Or believe as in, like, women?
You know women and observe them, so aren't those the same thing?

Stanley Burrell
01-14-2011, 11:05 AM
Shoot.

Latrinsorm
01-14-2011, 11:46 AM
WTF is ophiucusI tried to remember all the planets from Battlestar Galactica but came up empty, so I just googled it. It turns out it's a bonus sign, which also explains why Scorpio only gets 7 crummy days in the cited system.

Paradii
01-14-2011, 01:04 PM
Astrology is more reasonable than religion. Fo' Sho.

waywardgs
01-14-2011, 01:12 PM
Astrology is more reasonable than religion. Fo' Sho.

As in, things that exist have more of an affect on us than things that don't? I suppose I agree with that.

Paradii
01-14-2011, 01:33 PM
As in, things that exist have more of an affect on us than things that don't? I suppose I agree with that.

I meant in terms of I could probably come up with better argument that when you were conceived would have an effect on personality traits than an argument for an all knowing deity.

Deathravin
01-14-2011, 01:35 PM
Astrology is more reasonable than religion. Fo' Sho.
superstition is superstition is superstition...


"Don't put faith in the stars." ~ The Holy Qur'an
Ya, put your faith in the RIGHT kind of hearsay.
Damn evolving religion... You guys name all the stars observable with the naked eye then clam up for a thousand years. Make up your minds!

TheEschaton
01-14-2011, 02:07 PM
This has obnoxiously cluttered up my Facebook news feed as well. Most people are soothed by the idea that it only affects people born in 2009 and after.

I'm a Gemini, but under the new system, if I was born this past year, I'd be a Taurus. Oh well.

Bobmuhthol
01-14-2011, 03:00 PM
Most people are soothed by the idea that it only affects people born in 2009 and after.

Consider, for a moment, a universe in which the earth was unmoved forever but then in 2009 shifted enough that a month of damage had been done.

Really?

It affects everyone. Fortunately the zodiac is based on dates and not the position of the earth, so it affects fucking no one.

Cephalopod
01-14-2011, 04:17 PM
Astrology is more reasonable than religion. Fo' Sho.

http://i.imgur.com/0WHeq.png

Paradii
01-14-2011, 04:23 PM
From a completely neutral observer,

The only thing more annoying than people bitching about the change in signs on facebook, are the people bitching about how it doesn't matter.

Androidpk
01-14-2011, 04:32 PM
From a completely neutral observer,

The only thing more annoying than people bitching about the change in signs on facebook, are the people bitching about how it doesn't matter.

QFT

phantasm
01-14-2011, 05:47 PM
lol, astrology got pwned

Skeeter
01-14-2011, 07:32 PM
I am strong like bull now. Awesome!

Androidpk
01-14-2011, 10:18 PM
Actually everyones signs are the same as these changes don't concern western astrology.

Warriorbird
01-14-2011, 10:36 PM
I am strong like bull now. Awesome!

Welcome to the best sign.

Cephalopod
01-21-2011, 10:31 AM
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Deathravin
01-21-2011, 11:00 AM
Lets be honest, people who are into superstition, whether for entertainment or religion, don't care too much about facts in the first place.

Clove
01-21-2011, 02:08 PM
It's all bullshit anyway but your sun sign under the Tropical system (the astrology system commonly used in the west) hasn't changed. They're talking about the Sidreal system, the signs of which gradually move throughout the year over time. It's not a new system or even new news.

Stanley Burrell
02-01-2011, 11:00 PM
'New' zodiac signs cause instant identity crises (http://www.cnn.com/2011/LIVING/01/14/zodiac.signs.identity.crisis.online/index.html?iref=obinsite)

Fuck. My. Couch.