Courage

[Tendarian]

Pat Tillman died in Afgahnistan. This is the NFL player that decided to join the army rather than make big money playing a kids game. My respect for this guy is huge.


The 27-year-old former football player was killed in direct action during a firefight in Afghanistan


Tillman, an unrestricted free agent, spurned a $9 million, five-year offer sheet from the St. Louis Rams in 2001 to join the Army.

Heres the link
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/US/Sports/tillman_afghanistan040423-1.html

[DeV]

I read that this morning. It's truly sad and I have nothing but respect for the man for sacrificing his life for others.

[AnticorRifling]

What saddens me more is this guy and those two privates that became POW's got more press than all the other people, to include my friends, who died in combat.

Bury him with honors, give the flag to his family and leave it out of the news unless you want to make a news story out of every son and daughter that paid in blood.

[Tendarian]

I can agree Anticor,but thats how the world is. When baseball players of old went to WWII they got news coverage too. What makes a good story is what will get the coverage.

[DeV]

Kinda like what happened with the two female POW's at the start of the war. One getting more press than the other.
You give up millions to serve your country, plus being a former NFL player he's gonna get more recognition regardless.

[AnticorRifling]

Also I don't know who's bright idea it was to have the brothers in the same plt. Not smart. Having a sibling killed is one thing, watching it is another. Not to mention 1 grenade can take out a bloodline that way...

[AnticorRifling]

Originally posted by DarkelfVold
Kinda like what happened with the two female POW's at the start of the war. One getting more press than the other.


Don't get me started on those two.

[DeV]

Originally posted by AnticorRifling

Originally posted by DarkelfVold
Kinda like what happened with the two female POW's at the start of the war. One getting more press than the other.


Don't get me started on those two.
ok..please don't. ::runs and hides:: :saint:

[Hulkein]

That sucks.. What a good man though, gave up millions to protect the country.

Anticor, he gets more press because people care more, no offense.

[Pallon]

Dude played four years with the Cardinals, death is a step up

[Hulkein]

ROFL

[TheEschaton]

Pallon, that was wrong, but all us NFL fans know it was so right. ;) At least he was loyal, he went to Arizona State, turned down the Rams contract to stay with the Cards....

Anyways, the two female POWs, you mean pretty, sweet Jessica Lynch, who got some shrapnel wounds after cowering like a little girl, and then Shoshanna, the black female chef who grabbed a gun and protected her unit, was taken as a POW, and got maybe one sentence in the press?

Yeah, that kinda pissed me off too.

-TheE-

Lynch could not clear her gun, she was not a soldier.

God bless him and every last man who has given their lives in this war and those that will as well.

[Skirmisher]

Originally posted by The Edine
Lynch could not clear her gun, she was not a soldier.



While i think it is obvious she got more attention because she was this young white pretty thing from small town USA, I think you, Mr not even been through basic yet have a hell of alot of nerve to dare tell someone who actually served and was injured in the line of duty that they were not a soldier.

Your ego truly knows no bounds.

[i remember halloween]

granted this loss is no more severe than any others, but honestly anticor, how many in the armed services would you say would turn down a no shit 9 million dollar contract to join the military and fight? that is what makes this an impressive story. many would, there is no doubt about it, but the fact that he DID is what makes him special. not everyone gets the chance to turn down a huge contract. i agree about the jessica lynch bullshit though, she is no hero.

[MPSorc]

my heart is out to all the soldiers that died over there and to the ones who are still fighting, i don't care how much publicity they get, because frankly i don't watch the news, hell i dont' even have a TV, i just read what news i can from AKO and netscape or CNN.com. I have yet to be fortunate not to have to go to war, but i only say that because i love my family and yes im a little selfish when it comes to that, but i am also torn because i do want to go serve my country but have certain medical conditions that i have to get fixed first, if just for my own safety.

[Tendarian]

i agree about the jessica lynch bullshit though, she is no hero.

She was over there so she is a hero to me. Its not her fault the media got the story wrong. Its not like she started it right?

[TheEschaton]

Skirm, I dunno what Edine meant, but I interpreted it to mean: "She wasn't there to fight as a soldier" (she was, in fact, some sort of specialist - that whole unit was like a support convoy, not a fighting convoy), not that she wasn't worthy of the title of soldier because she couldn't clear her gun.

-TheE-

[Skirmisher]

The Military AND the media made Lynch into a story for their own purposes.

I don't think she was quite in any position to send out any press releases while incarcerated.

Hate what she was made into all you want, but dont be so shortsighted to take it out on her.:rolleyes:

[TheEschaton]

At least she spoke up and said she did nothing, that Shoshanna deserved better, etc, etc, etc.


It was hilarious how quick the media and military shut up after that one. Wonder what happened to the Iraqi doctor who said the whole rescue was staged?

-TheE-

[i remember halloween]

Originally posted by Tendarian

i agree about the jessica lynch bullshit though, she is no hero.

She was over there so she is a hero to me. Its not her fault the media got the story wrong. Its not like she started it right?

i'm not taking anything away from her by any means. i appreciate and respect the job she did, however more deserved tales go untold. thats all i'm saying.

Jessica lynch could not clear her rifle in combat, she did not remember her training, and was not intended to be in a firefight as she was. The only thing that kept her and the rest of that group alive was one man who was a good shot <whos name i can not remember (shows what the media really does leave out) and because of his actions stoped the truck they were under from getting hit with a morter round, killing them all. He recieved silver star for his actions i believe while lynch recived a bronze star.(which is noble in its own right)
But the media left nearly everything about that out and you can not even find a mention of his name.


In the interview, Lynch also clears up conflicting stories about her actions during the March 23 ambush in which Lynch was taken prisoner. Initial reports portrayed the Army supply clerk, then 19, as a hero who was wounded by Iraqi gunfire but kept firing until her ammunition ran out, shooting several Iraqis.

But Lynch confirms that was not the case. She tells Sawyer she was just a soldier in the wrong place at the wrong time, whose gun jammed during the chaos. "I'm not about to take credit for something I didn't do," she tells Sawyer in the interview, airing Tuesday, Nov. 11.

"I did not shoot, not a round, nothing," she tells Sawyer. "When we were told to lock and load, that's when my weapon jammed … I did not shoot a single round … I went down praying to my knees. And that's the last I remember."

even in the abc news story they neglected to say his name

I in no way mean disrespect to jessica lynch, she was there and did the best she could, but she as TheE said was unable to do the basic tasks that are required of soldiers in combat. (which was what I ment)

PFC miller
http://www.rense.com/general44/hereo.htm

Where can i find a copy of this story??

[theotherjohn]

Originally posted by Tendarian
Pat Tillman died in Afgahnistan. This is the NFL player that decided to join the army rather than make big money playing a kids game. My respect for this guy is huge.

[quote]The 27-year-old former football player was killed in direct action during a firefight in Afghanistan


Tillman deserves the same respect as any other soldier serving or that has served

no more no less

everyone that serves gives up something that is priceless to them.

I know here is my soldiers address why dont you explain to them why they are not as special as Tillmen

Soldiers of C Co
67th SIG BN
Camp Adder
APO AE 09331

[theotherjohn]

Originally posted by TheEschaton
Anyways, the two female POWs, you mean pretty, sweet Jessica Lynch, who got some shrapnel wounds after cowering like a little girl
-TheE-

I am sure you meant to say the pretty, sweet soldier that got wounded when the vehicle driven by her first sergeant was destroyed knocking her out in the process

Personally I think it was a pretty "hooah" thing to do. Alot of soldiers out there wouldn' tbe soldiers if they had the opprutunities this guy had. Does it make him any more special or a better soldier than anybody else? Of course not, but then again he DID sacrifice an awful lot and that shouldn't be neglected at all.

[Skirmisher]

Ranger, the story came out a long time ago.

I knew all this and could probably tell you a bit more simply from memory as I found the entire affair intriguing from the moment it started.

The story did come out, but of course its not as juicy as little miss girl next door fighting the good fight for apple pie so it was not played up quite as much. The story did for sure come out though and they made it clear this man was an examplary soldier. It was in if not front page, near front page news and the topic of more than a few television reports.

People in this country however are used to being spoonfed thier news in USA mcnewsbites. If more of us would read beyond the front page and the sports pages we would be a bit more aware as to what was going on around us.

And dont people here on the forum start on me cause you know darn well that most of those posting here are a bit more up to date on current events than most of your friends.

[Prestius]

>> The Military AND the media made Lynch into a story for their own purposes <<

Is this the liberally biased media we're talking about? The same one who took and ran with the military's "feel good " war story without much in the way of fact checking?

-P

[Artha]

Yeah, I think it's the same media that tore Lott a new asshole, but barely acknowledged a similar gaff from a democratic senator.