Please post and send feedback to Simu about this

[Fortybox]

Hey everyone. Please let your voices be heard on the official boards or through feedback. I think it is safe to say that this whole Sluntty situation is showing Shattered to be flawed.

They need to tweak the rules here to make this instance playable. When a community cannot do anything about a situation it's time to change things. I am all for PvP, but when griefers like Sluntty abuse the system to specifically make people quit the game something needs to be done about it.

Let Simu know.

[Back]

This late on a Saturday night...

I don’t mean to be a dick but isn’t the point of Shattered not to QQ?

[Willington]

They had to know it was gonna fail,how could they not.Once people started getting near cap this was gonna happen.

[zhelas]

This late on a Saturday night...

I don’t mean to be a dick but isn’t the point of Shattered not to QQ?

One reason why I decided not to play Shattered. I figured that someone who capped might pull stunts like that. When it is no longer fun... folks leave. I am sure there will be a few who will stick it out. But for all the money that it costs to play the game. Who the hell wants to put up with that BS.

[Fortybox]

This late on a Saturday night...

I don’t mean to be a dick but isn’t the point of Shattered not to QQ?

It's not QQ when there is a legitimate reason to let Simu know what is going on. This whole situation has shown that there is absolutely nothing a community can do to effectively police the situation.

One way to solve this is to not have death sting or a deed lost when killed by a player character.

[Back]

What exactly is happening that cannot be solved by the players?

I do not play so I am curious.

[Michaelous]

a capped sorc is killing everyone, and everyone is QQing and is quitting because of it.

[Fortybox]

What exactly is happening that cannot be solved by the players?

I do not play so I am curious.

We have a player character that wrote a script that basically runs around all the major hunting areas killing everyone. He has even set it up to where he will kill players in town and somehow does not go to jail for it.

He runs around invis and can cross realms teleport as a sorcerer. He does not care about any deaths he takes nor does he care about banishment from town.

Anyone who wishes to fight him has to take penalties for the stupid justice system in town. There is absolutely nothing one can do about someone who absolutely does not care about the penalties they incur on their character. To fight him it means they have to take these same penalties on as well.

[Back]

Sounds like a challenge.

No capped Bards around?

[Fortybox]

Sounds like a challenge.

No capped Bards around?

The only thing I can think of is for one character to bind him like crazy, then sanct and have a bard sing song of noise. Who wants to pay 20 bucks to keep that up?

[Tgo01]

Simutronics is run by a bunch of geniuses. They created a server that is a griefers wet dream and managed to convince a bunch of people (read victims) to play for said griefers to grief and to top it all off people pay more money for this server too. Imagine a world run by Simutronics, we'd be mining Saturn right now.

[phantasm]

Glad to see someone beat Shattered already

[AMUSED1]

You're telling me that there is absolutely no empath or cleric that is capped that can't ward him with Bind? Stop killing him and just perma-bind or RT lock him.

[4a6c1]

LOL. Awww. Shattered has its first "QQ FIX PVP SO IT DOESNT HURT MY FEELINGS OR I IM GONNA QUIT" thread. I think that makes Shattered a valid PvP instance, yes?

Congrats Shattered!!

[Gibreficul]

Who remembers that list of conditions Simu made us "click" off of explaining how little they give a shit about policing Shattered? I do. SHUT THE FUCK UP. If you can't figure out how to BEAT him, AVOID him. How about add something to your AFK-huntscripts to avoid him... wait, you all run Bigshot without a clue of how to write/fix a script, nevermind. Keep crying.

[WRoss]

Get him to a table in Pinefar and have him sit down first. Then you sit down and he's stuck! Or 240 + 1108 or 214 and bind him for 4 hours.

[gs4disciple]

One way to solve this is to not have death sting or a deed lost when killed by a player character.

Another would be to nerf implosion. Fix that and he wouldnt be able to do that so easily, just a thought.

[gs4disciple]

How about add something to your AFK-huntscripts to avoid him....

Tried some of that, however, his scripts to fast for mine!

[Soulpieced]

I said this to the people who began in Plat... quit bitching and go back to the real Gemstone?

[Parkbandit]

This late on a Saturday night...

I don’t mean to be a dick but isn’t the point of Shattered not to QQ?

OWNED BY BACKLASH'S LOGIC!

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[zhelas]

A script to avoid a capped sorc coming out of hiding and imploding you? What script would that be? Other than a table healing script? If he were walking up to you and swinging a falchion and wounding you for 21 points, yeah you could run away. But there is no way to avoid what he is doing.

Forget a capped Sorcerer.... This could have happened with ANY capped profession. A sorcerer just happens to be the one doing it.

This is Shattered there are zero rules. Once a player is capped what do you expect them to do? I don't necessary think Sluntty is being to original but he signed up for Shattered and knew he could do this.

Seems to me to be the most successful in this type of environment is to set up a group of some sort and sit at tables and allow only the members you want to have access to it.

Sitting out in the open is just begging for trouble.

Some folks whined that Prime didn't allow CvC... well to be honest that isn't quite true. It does exist.. The problem is folks whine and bitch to GMs instead of RP it out.

I didn't want to spend and extra 5 bucks to access this server. And I stink at scripting regardless of the scripts listed in Lich.

[Parkbandit]

LOL. Awww. Shattered has its first "QQ FIX PVP SO IT DOESNT HURT MY FEELINGS OR I IM GONNA QUIT" thread. I think that makes Shattered a valid PvP instance, yes?

Congrats Shattered!!

/endthread

[Sam]

Sweet. I've been missing all the fun shattered threads that waned shortly after launch.

[Sam]

I don't get how anyone could enjoy shattered without being able to write/customize scripts. It would be like playing prime without knowing how to type. I guess lots of people fall in to that category as well, though.

[Fortybox]

Wow it really shows how stupid you people can be. You do realize that if you bind someone all it takes is for another character to hide, stalk him and 130 or voln fog him away.

It just proves most of you don't read. Nobody is QQing about what Sluntty is doing. It only shows that there is a mechanics problem here.

[crb]

there are a few abilities that are not balanced in a pvp environment, invisibility for one. ganking all glass amulets from stores would help somewhat.

sorcerers are probably the best griefing class though.

Why not just camp out near like... the OTF swim... where anyone who does it is exposed and in RT, when he shows up, kill him.

Simu I guess could also remove all in town sancts and the in town justice system. Rely fully on community justice.

[Deathravin]

First, hunting is mostly how he gets you. I'd recommend doing guild skills for now. Especially ones you can just sit in the guild and do.

This isn't about nerfs. The game can be changed and bullies made to actually suffer. As I've previously stated the game has built-in inequality. There are several options without changing the mechanics of the game. These mechanics should have been put into place a long time ago.

1) Justice system

System keeps track of kills inside and outside of town and from whom. If a certain number of people tell the law about the kills, that person is forced into the gallows one day (in-game time, but none of those 'questions' that make you be at your keyboard) for each kill they've committed inside town and 8 hours for each kill outside town. Time remaining is written on a sign outside the gallows.
One must have been killed by the individual at least twice in the last 72 hours, and can only report incidents less than 72 hours old.

- Once banned from a town the guard won't let you enter regardless of method of entry. Set foot in down, you're ejected.
- The justice fines shouldn't roll over when they get to big.
- Instant in-town kill pickups, no escapes.

Pros: worthwhile punishment. Allows us to police ourselves. Allows for acts of rage and even small fits of wrath (killing everybody once etc). Griefers are punished. Most of the mechanics are already in place. Doesn't nerf any current class systems (implode, invis etc).
Cons: Relies on a justice system to police rather than ourselves. Promotes individualism instead of group dynamics.

2) Add lock-downs

Not every class has a method to lock-down a player. And all ways are easily removed or circumvented. 'Thump' is reinstated, but one may thump anybody their level or under. Lasts 5 minutes, it is refreshable, and all interactions with that player are suspended including dragging.
Pros: Promotes group-dynamics. Forces one player to be present to lock down others. That player himself can be thumped, so groups are formed with slowly escalating numbers. A back-and-forth war begins
Cons: You have to have a capped character account that sits there all day and just thumps people. It's set up basically like a jail.

I have absolutely no illusions that any solution will be implemented. These people can't even set up the player shops.

Just remember: As long as you care about your sting and town fine, you will always be at the mercy of those who don't.
Targeting a single person is nigh impossible in this game. Targeting everybody is very easy. You have the disadvantage of hunting 2 people. They have the advantage of numbers. If they can't find you for now, they can kill somebody else for a bit.

[Deathravin]

Why not just camp out near like... the OTF swim... where anyone who does it is exposed and in RT, when he shows up, kill him.

Simu I guess could also remove all in town sancts and the in town justice system. Rely fully on community justice.

OMG Kill him! Why didn't we think of that!

Hey, Tillmen, that's what you've been doing wrong. Instead of trying to play patty-cake with him, you should KILL him... because apparently CRB thinks that when you kill somebody in Gemstone, it matters. They don't just re-appear 3 seconds later because they don't give a shit about sting.

Spamming allows for any weakness to be extorted. A millisecond of un-locked time means they can kill themselves, or get dragged away, or escape or fog or darkness. They're both GOS so they can sigil escape through stun (or RT or bind for that matter) once per day.
RT lock doesn't work - we can't perma stack RT like critters can.
Stun lock doesn't work - you can drag stunned people - you can drag while invis.
Bind doesn't stack, there's going to be those milliseconds of opportunity.


There is no way to lock them down forever. I've tried. I had them for ~10 hours one day (btw you can't sigil escape out Illistim's locksmith room). They had an alt come in and kill Jaimaltz, then Jaimaltz invisied and dragged Sluntty out.

The game is designed to not allow for lock-downs.

[Sam]

Time for everyone to come back to Prime.

[crb]

OMG Kill him! Why didn't we think of that!

Hey, Tillmen, that's what you've been doing wrong. Instead of trying to play patty-cake with him, you should KILL him... because apparently CRB thinks that when you kill somebody in Gemstone, it matters. They don't just re-appear 3 seconds later because they don't give a shit about sting.

Spamming allows for any weakness to be extorted. A millisecond of un-locked time means they can kill themselves, or get dragged away, or escape or fog or darkness. They're both GOS so they can sigil escape through stun (or RT or bind for that matter) once per day.
RT lock doesn't work - we can't perma stack RT like critters can.
Stun lock doesn't work - you can drag stunned people - you can drag while invis.
Bind doesn't stack, there's going to be those milliseconds of opportunity.


There is no way to lock them down forever. I've tried. I had them for ~10 hours one day (btw you can't sigil escape out Illistim's locksmith room). They had an alt come in and kill Jaimaltz, then Jaimaltz invisied and dragged Sluntty out.

The game is designed to not allow for lock-downs.

If all town sancts were removed you could camp the room where you depart to.

The big mistake was apparently allowing them to get this old. Gotta stop the trouble makers earlier. Otherwise you're just Neville Chamberlain.

I have to wonder what kind of people their players are though that they've not gotten bored with griefing yet.

[zhelas]

I have to wonder what kind of people their players are though that they've not gotten bored with griefing yet.

Attention whores....they see their character's listed here in a forum.. and they think "I am so Famously Awesome in a text Game! I must rule!"
http://southparkstudios.mtvnimages.com/images/shows/southpark/vertical_video/import/season_11/sp_1110_11_m4.jpg

"Come over and pay homage to the sultan and suck my balls!"

[Drevihyin]

Help is on the way guys hang in there!http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t197/riverduck/batman-symbol2.jpg

[zhelas]

http://knowyourmeme.com/system/icons/3105/original/fat_man.jpg
"By the way, I should tell you that I haven't had a chance to shower while making my way up here. My balls are
[pauses]
extra vinegary. "

[Deathravin]

If all town sancts were removed you could camp the room where you depart to.
The idea of somebody who hasn't played Shattered.
They'd just sanct it, invis and leave.

The big mistake was apparently allowing them to get this old. Gotta stop the trouble makers earlier. Otherwise you're just Neville Chamberlain.
I'd agree with that, but most people are the live-and-let-live type.

I have to wonder what kind of people their players are though that they've not gotten bored with griefing yet.
He's certainly in need of some therapy and I'm relatively sure his life-long ambition is blowing up a governmental building. He's one cracked egg IMO. It certainly is about attention and having control over something. I'm not sure why people keep giving him silver for protection when he's never demonstrated the inkling of keeping his word.

I'm not sure what the end-game is, or what his plans for the future are - if he has them. For all I know this could just be his last hurrah. He was waiting for Jaimaltz to work off his sting and cap (or come close to it) with him so they could continue their reign (it's tough to have a wizard whose meteor swarm won't hit capped characters).

All that being said, neither of them are stupid. Or nearly as crazy as Jaeden for example. If it wasn't them or now it would have been somebody else or some other time. They could have just as easily kept to themselves for 6 months and capped new characters then done it on their alts.


I'm not nearly as upset or frustrated as a lot of the people here. In fact, for myself it's simply a nice break from the constant upkeep I've had. Knack and I were looking for an excuse to go back to Plat now that we've capped in Shattered, he actually told me a few weeks ago he had planned to go back at the start of the year. Truth be told, this episode was the tipping point for me. But I really just needed one small nudge - and the bordem and monotony was going to push me that direction soon anyway by themselves.

[Revial]

Wait, let me get this straight.

Players joined Shattered to get away from the GMs involvement on PVP and just enjoy the freedom. Problems arose but they were resolved and all was good. But now, openly griefing a guy and anyone he apparently hung around has backfired and since nobody can do anything when the guy snaps and utterly owns the entire server in less then three days, everyone suddenly bolts for the GMs and staff to rub their wittle tummy tums and make everything all better.

Awesome. Let's have a server wipe whenever someone snaps and decides to ass rape the server. 'Cause y'know, he can't just script his way back to 100.

Fuckin' genius.

[doughal]

One way to solve this is to not have death sting or a deed lost when killed by a player character.

This.


I'd be fine with what Sluntty is doing if there were no consequences for the victims like there aren't for him. Oh, and add no stat recovery time to the list because I can't hunt when my stats and spirit are tanked.

[Spooky]

buzzofthoughts is right, he wants attention. The reason he posts logs of every kill...attention, etc. Don't give him that, and he'll go away.

[Paradii]

Time for everyone to come back to Prime.

Just from my experience reading posts in the shattered thread, it appear a significant portion of the shattered posters appear to be complete twatwaffles. Would you really want them back in prime?

[doughal]

Who remembers that list of conditions Simu made us "click" off of explaining how little they give a shit about policing Shattered? I do. SHUT THE FUCK UP. If you can't figure out how to BEAT him, AVOID him. How about add something to your AFK-huntscripts to avoid him... wait, you all run Bigshot without a clue of how to write/fix a script, nevermind. Keep crying.


You can't script to defend against someone who you only see when they've already issued the attack command that makes them visible. It's too late at that point, you're turning into a billion pieces of debris. But thanks anyway for the sarcastic advice, very helpful.

Ps, I don't write scripts well, or barely at all, but I did add in to Bigshot to flee on sight when he shows up. But like I said it doesn't work.

[crb]

The idea of somebody who hasn't played Shattered.
They'd just sanct it, invis and leave.


For the record, I did play shattered, as a character you interacted with even.

[Deathravin]

For the record, I did play shattered, as a character you interacted with even.

Inconceivable!

[crb]

http://www.motifake.com/image/demotivational-poster/1001/inconceivable-indigo-princess-bride-demotivational-poster-1262620902.jpg

[Nostradamus]

We have a player character that wrote a script that basically runs around all the major hunting areas killing everyone. He has even set it up to where he will kill players in town and somehow does not go to jail for it.

He runs around invis and can cross realms teleport as a sorcerer. He does not care about any deaths he takes nor does he care about banishment from town.

Anyone who wishes to fight him has to take penalties for the stupid justice system in town. There is absolutely nothing one can do about someone who absolutely does not care about the penalties they incur on their character. To fight him it means they have to take these same penalties on as well.

He does go to jail for it. Its pretty simple. He most likely emptied his bank account and lockers, gave everything to an alt to hold.

So one he is arrested he chooses fine and doesnt pay it, Not that hard at all. The Justice system will only allow you to lose what is in your box and what you are wearing.

If you are not wearing anything you lose nothing.

So easily, If you cap and dont care about post cap tps, the deathsting means nothing.

Pretty simple strategy, no big mystery as to how he is doing it. Unfortunately the ones who haven't capped do care about the sting and such as they cant learn or gain exp if they have crushing deathsting.

[Warriorbird]

There are ways around this that don't involve actual murder. You guys need to find them out for yourselves. Take it deeper.

This is a war between grief/scripting philosophy. I'm curious what ultimately dominates.

[Drunken Durfin]

Wait, let me get this straight.

Players joined Shattered to get away from the GMs involvement on PVP and just enjoy the freedom.

No, not all of us. I joined so I could script without worrying about Andraste hunting me down so she could fap while issuing a warning to me.

I never even imagined that there would be idiots that would write scripts to hunt and kill other PCs while they themselves were afk. I just don't see the fun in that at all, and I could myself lucky that I don't.

As for all this "BAN HIM!" talk, I'm not in that camp. This is America, I want peace through superior fire power. I want goggles that see invisible people, a shield that reflects all casts of void and arrows that hit people who are hidden/invisible. THEN we can police ourselves in this situation.

[Asha]

Use a script that waits for the invoke messaging of sorcerer circle spells, which then rubs glass amulet and drops an item with the first three letters of your characters name.

[Drunken Durfin]

Use a script that waits for the invoke messaging of sorcerer circle spells, which then rubs glass amulet and drops an item with the first three letters of your characters name.

He casts from invisibility...please pay attention.

[DrZaius]

Where is he killing people? Outside the bank and the gemshop? What if you just didn't search monsters you killed and stayed in the field... It'd be slower because you wouldn't be resting on a supernode from fried to muddled, but it's better than crushing death sting.

[AMUSED1]

Where is he killing people? Outside the bank and the gemshop? What if you just didn't search monsters you killed and stayed in the field... It'd be slower because you wouldn't be resting on a supernode from fried to muddled, but it's better than crushing death sting.

I'm pretty sure it's been mentioned he's going out in hunting grounds to kill people too.

[Davenshire]

you guys need to find the sword of a thousand truths... either that or pack it up and go play hello kitty island adventure :)

[Asha]

He casts from invisibility...please pay attention.

You still hear the invocation..

[Revial]

No, not all of us. I joined so I could script without worrying about Andraste hunting me down so she could fap while issuing a warning to me.

I never even imagined that there would be idiots that would write scripts to hunt and kill other PCs while they themselves were afk. I just don't see the fun in that at all, and I could myself lucky that I don't.

As for all this "BAN HIM!" talk, I'm not in that camp. This is America, I want peace through superior fire power. I want goggles that see invisible people, a shield that reflects all casts of void and arrows that hit people who are hidden/invisible. THEN we can police ourselves in this situation.

I believe I'm being misinterpreted on the last statement. The 'and just enjoy the freedom' was pertaining to the freedom of the no GM imprisonment and do whatever the heck you feel like type of attitude Shattered was built for.

I'm surprised nobody thought this type of scenario would come by. The previous engagement with Marlu should've shown people the level of ass-hattery that roams the PC and game world these days.

[Glitch]

I'm surprised nobody thought this type of scenario would come by.

I think everyone but the most blissfully ignorant expected this to occur in some form. It's more along the lines of "Now that this is happening, what are we going to do?"

[Caetul]

I think everyone but the most blissfully ignorant expected this to occur in some form. It's more along the lines of "Now that this is happening, what are we going to do?"

That and I'm sure some of them would thought it wouldn't happen, since they would be the first to reach this and do it themselves.

This is Shattered afterall, and like Revial said the PC should have been a good indication of how it would turn out once capped players started floating around heh

[Nostradamus]

Only thing i have been trying to get across is people can avoid him. He is griefing in town more now cause of ease of the kill. They should spread out.

People need to look at things differently and start to think.

Open the maps and look for map 'safe rooms' stop resting at supernodes. Or rest at tables. There are even inns with locking rooms.

Farm herbs for healing in the field and use the herbheal or useherbs script. Or get a friendly empath to help.

Stockpile your boxes and gems and go to out of the way gemshops and locksmiths if you read your maps there are plenty around.

Use the Tfletch script or Autoforge for exp.

If your a premie rest in four winds.

Even if you hunt in odd areas or different areas. Think more of exp and not loot.

Keep up 204 so you cant be located.

There is so much more if you think about it guys..... Stop laying down like sheep..

[Revial]

I think everyone but the most blissfully ignorant expected this to occur in some form. It's more along the lines of "Now that this is happening, what are we going to do?"

A place, a time, a reality. Shattered, now, not a damn thing you can do.

[Androidpk]

This thread is full of chuckles and laughs. Simu isn't going to do a goddamn thing. The whole point of Shattered was to allow for a free for all hardcore PvP system. Like UO back in the day. If you don't like what Sluntty is doing, DO something about it instead of bitching. Or move to RR. Or quit.

[Fortybox]

I believe I'm being misinterpreted on the last statement. The 'and just enjoy the freedom' was pertaining to the freedom of the no GM imprisonment and do whatever the heck you feel like type of attitude Shattered was built for.

I'm surprised nobody thought this type of scenario would come by. The previous engagement with Marlu should've shown people the level of ass-hattery that roams the PC and game world these days.

ZOMG what is it that you people don't understand? Nobody is really complaining about the actual killings Sluntty is doing.

The issue is there is nothing that can be done when a player does not care about death stings or fines. As Nostradamus said, a person can just keep killing people over and over naked and choose to not pay the fines.

The issue is mechanical, not what Sluntty is doing. I for one don't mind being blown up to bits and pieces but if I were to retaliate I would have to give up advancement on my own character to do so. Therein lies the problem.

It's a simple fix. Make it so that we can blow each other up without the harsh consequences from deaths sting and justice system.

[Asha]

Not if he preps in another room. And even if he does prep in the same room, prep to cast is pretty instantaneous.

Scripts don't care how fast the caster is, they instantly send your command as soon as the caster sends theirs. Sluntty would have to be pretty fucking amazing to create a script to predict you're going to walk in and prep spell so it casts when you do.
Whatever. That's what I would be doing with my scripts. GOOD DAY.

[Fortybox]

This thread is full of chuckles and laughs. Simu isn't going to do a goddamn thing. The whole point of Shattered was to allow for a free for all hardcore PvP system. Like UO back in the day. If you don't like what Sluntty is doing, DO something about it instead of bitching. Or move to RR. Or quit.

Spoken from someone who obviously didn't read the argument. To do something would be to destroy your characters advancement.

I'd love to see a GM throw an invasion in Prime where none of the characters can kill or do anything about the situation. Same principle here.

[Drevihyin]

How can he kill you regardless of the mechanics if he can't find you?

[Revial]

ZOMG what is it that you people don't understand? Nobody is really complaining about the actual killings Sluntty is doing.

The issue is there is nothing that can be done when a player does not care about death stings or fines. As Nostradamus said, a person can just keep killing people over and over naked and choose to not pay the fines.

The issue is mechanical, not what Sluntty is doing. I for one don't mind being blown up to bits and pieces but if I were to retaliate I would have to give up advancement on my own character to do so. Therein lies the problem.

It's a simple fix. Make it so that we can blow each other up without the harsh consequences from deaths sting and justice system.

OH! Okay, I got ya now. You don't want the punishment that goes with having your ass kicked for pushing a guy to the edge.

Alright, makes sense. Oh, by the way, take out your tampon and switch to heavy flow. You giant fucking pussy.

[Fortybox]

How can he kill you regardless of the mechanics if he can't find you?

He doesn't need to go to the hunting areas to kill people. He just kills you in town at locations everyone goes to (gemshop, pawnshops, etc.).

And since his character is naked he doesn't need to pay the fines. Since he is capped he could care less about any further advancement.

[4a6c1]

It's called ganking. And your only defense is to get better at PvP. All your QQ's are belong to fail.

[Androidpk]

Spoken from someone who obviously didn't read the argument. To do something would be to destroy your characters advancement.

I'd love to see a GM throw an invasion in Prime where none of the characters can kill or do anything about the situation. Same principle here.

I read the entire argument thank you very much.

[doughal]

Dude, I've had bigshot set up to flee on sight. That does no good when the first indication I have that he is there is being blown to tiny bits. You are also neglecting to take into account that if he's hitting you in the hunting grounds you are most often in RT lock from attacking a critter! You can't react to shit if you are in RT.

BTW, that is how he has killed my character almost every time. Trust me, you can't do shit if you are in RT because you are hunting.

[Tgo01]

I say you bribe him with copious amounts of cyber sex. He will probably be so scared since he's never experienced the real thing that he will run away from GS and never return.

[Hiateit]

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[Revial]

It's called ganking. And your only defense is to get better at PvP. All your QQ's are belong to fail.

But then they can't nerf shit that's inconvenient to them. Never mind the fact that they were happy ganking the piss out of Michaelous and his alts, friends, associates, and whoever so much as glanced his way.

Everything was fine until the tables turned. Karma, you ugly skank.

[Fortybox]

It's called ganking. And your only defense is to get better at PvP. All your QQ's are belong to fail.

No, our better defense is to give up our characters advancement too. It's quite obvious you just want to troll this.

I want people like Sluntty ganking others in this instance. That part is fun. What isn't fun is when I have to destroy my characters advancement to retaliate. It's a flawed system that needs to be addressed.

[Androidpk]

No, our better defense is to give up our characters advancement too. It's quite obvious you just want to troll this.

I want people like Sluntty ganking others in this instance. That part is fun. What isn't fun is when I have to destroy my characters advancement to retaliate. It's a flawed system that needs to be addressed.

It's not flawed. Quit being such a thinned skinned cunt and blaming the centipedes in your vagina on Simu's mechanics

[Warriorbird]

He doesn't need to go to the hunting areas to kill people. He just kills you in town at locations everyone goes to (gemshop, pawnshops, etc.).

And since his character is naked he doesn't need to pay the fines. Since he is capped he could care less about any further advancement.

Consider skipping those locations. Do I have to spell the ways around this out completely to people?

There's also some capped professions that could fuck his life up and some scripting tricks.

[Fortybox]

Best solution. Get rid of the justice system (just turn it off, not hard). The end. Ice cream lady approves of this.

[4a6c1]

It's quite obvious you just want to troll this.



Yeah. WELL. Somebody has to do it.

Everyone else in this thread is putting forth pretty good arguments as to why you should adapt to a system that was built upon the capped and/or best-built characters pwninating all others....and your all like NUH UH IM STILL SAD FIX IT.

[Fortybox]

Yeah. WELL. Somebody has to do it.

Everyone else in this thread is putting forth pretty good arguments as to why you should adapt to a system that was built upon the capped and/or best-built characters pwninating all others....and your all like NUH UH IM STILL SAD FIX IT.

h8

[Androidpk]

h8

Truth.

[Revial]

...and your all like NUH UH IM STILL SAD FIX IT.

Fuckin' win.

[doughal]

There's also some capped professions that could fuck his life up and some scripting tricks.

Warriorbird, seriously, stop with the vague 'you could script solutions' comments and either present your brilliant ideas or don't, but the vague comments are less than useless.

and yes, there are some capped professions that could kill him easily and they are doing that, the problem is he doesn't care about dying.

[Alorn15]

9 pages and no solution yet. This thread does not deliver.

[Fortybox]

9 pages and no solution yet. This thread does not deliver.

Best solution is to kill the justice system. All the GM has to do is turn it off. That will allow people to retaliate against Sluntty without him being able to hide behind the justice system mechanics. Easy fix.

[doughal]

Best solution is to kill the justice system. All the GM has to do is turn it off. That will allow people to retaliate against Sluntty without him being able to hide behind the justice system mechanics. Easy fix.

That allows retaliation without consequence, that doesn't stop the problem. Removing deathsting and recovery time when you get PK'd... that would solve the problem, or at least make it a non-issue.

[Fortybox]

Best solution is to kill the justice system. All the GM has to do is turn it off. That will allow people to retaliate against Sluntty without him being able to hide behind the justice system mechanics. Easy fix.

That allows retaliation without consequence, that doesn't stop the problem. Removing deathsting and recovery time when you get PK'd... that would solve the problem, or at least make it a non-issue.

I agree. But what's the chance Simu will take the time to do that. Turning off the justice system is something a GM can already do without any new resources being put in.

With no justice system it means players can fight back without ruining their characters.

[Nostradamus]

Scripts don't care how fast the caster is, they instantly send your command as soon as the caster sends theirs. Sluntty would have to be pretty fucking amazing to create a script to predict you're going to walk in and prep spell so it casts when you do.
Whatever. That's what I would be doing with my scripts. GOOD DAY.

No he made some scripts to avoid detection while invisible. Specifically to hear 109 incant, but again once you watch his script and dont live in oblivion you will realize his character goes in the same direction each time and can be tag teamed.

It was how i got him a few time in landing. Also in OTF and Illy gemshop.

Watch his scripts. Follow the dead bodies. Be careful following the dead bodies he has noticed i been hitting him around him killing others.

He does a crazy ivan and turns back two rooms and quakes to make sure you are not there.

[Gibreficul]

:troll:

[zhelas]

:troll:

This!

You guys know there is a way to get around him. Do so. He can't be everywhere at once.

[Kramble]

Constant vigilance doesn't exactly jive with most of our playstyles.


This!

You guys know there is a way to get around him. Do so. He can't be everywhere at once.

[pabstblueribbon]

Maybe Sluntty is on a one man crusade to get some mechanics reworked?

I dunno.

[Drunken Durfin]

Constant vigilance doesn't exactly jive with most of our playstyles.


I have scripted constant vigilance for you.


;repo download XV-Spotter

;trust XV-Spotter

;tune GriefWatch

;XV-Spotter

Reports location of Gmtillmen, Ilikeit, Snatchel, Sluntty and Jaimaltz on GriefWatch channel when they are seen. Also reports your location if you are dead so someone can come raise you.

Welcome to GS Neighborhood Watch.

[zhelas]

Constant vigilance doesn't exactly jive with most of our playstyles.

It isn't mine either. But at the moment until either he gets bored or there are enough players to challenge him. The current play style may not work.

[SmashYourFace]

I will, if someone arranges this I will pay the cost. Let me know on the threads. Get it all arranged and I will pay the account.

[SmashYourFace]

Money is no object to me. I would be happy to keep this up permanently.

[Cephalopod]

I will, if someone arranges this I will pay the cost. Let me know on the threads. Get it all arranged and I will pay the account.

Do you want to bring dragons to Elanthia?

[Showal]

Money is no object to me. I would be happy to keep this up permanently.

MAKE MONEY MONEY MAKE MONEY MONEY GO SHOPPING!!!!!!

[WRoss]

Do you want to bring dragons to Elanthia?

Only if someone can buy me a brother or sister so that I may aid myself up and in turn give you a brother or a sister.

[Sune]

The moron has spoken. That last post is probably the dumbest thing i have ever read. You make as much sense as a horizontal asshole.

[Drunken Durfin]

You make as much sense as a horizontal asshole.

http://www.portalprelude.com/images/news/dude-wait-what.jpg

[Paradii]

The moron has spoken. That last post is probably the dumbest thing i have ever read. You make as much sense as a horizontal asshole.



DERP DERP DERP DERP. I DUN GET JOKE BOUT DRAGONS AND BROTHERS. DERP DERP DERP.




Stop being a wanker.

[Deathravin]

Basically there's no consequences for killing people after you cap.
So either make there be consequences for killing, or remove the consequences for being killed by a player. Or you can give us a way to police ourselves.

Any consequences you make for killing need to include outside of town. Somebody will simply move their operation out of town and nothing has really changed except they can't hide at the bank or pwn nodes anymore.

If you remove consequences for dying, it should be as an intermediary measure before you fix the real problem.

If you let us police ourselves, perhaps a thump-type verb that will let you thump anybody of equal or lower level indefinitely. 10 minute duration, refreshable, Target can't take any damage, be dragged, be the target of any spell or ability other than the thump, or perform any action themselves. So if one or two people have the blessing of the majority, they can sacrifice themselves to ensure that character can't move. - Can't thump while hidden or invisible. ThumpER gets 30 seconds of RT, stunned, laying down in offensive after each successful thump.

It can be abused, but an abuser could then be thumped.

[Fallen]

Basically there's no consequences for killing people after you cap.
So either make there be consequences for killing, or remove the consequences for being killed by a player. Or you can give us a way to police ourselves.

Any consequences you make for killing need to include outside of town. Somebody will simply move their operation out of town and nothing has really changed except they can't hide at the bank or pwn nodes anymore.

If you remove consequences for dying, it should be as an intermediary measure before you fix the real problem.

If you let us police ourselves, perhaps a thump-type verb that will let you thump anybody of equal or lower level indefinitely. 10 minute duration, refreshable, Target can't take any damage, be dragged, be the target of any spell or ability other than the thump, or perform any action themselves. So if one or two people have the blessing of the majority, they can sacrifice themselves to ensure that character can't move. - Can't thump while hidden or invisible. ThumpER gets 30 seconds of RT, stunned, laying down in offensive after each successful thump.

It can be abused, but an abuser could then be thumped.

I don't get why you guys don't catch the guy, strip him of his spells, then keep him permastunned/bound. If he logs, then set the character to just wait. Yeah, you can't play that one character, but you can always MA another one.

[Deathravin]

Tried it. Last time he went berserk, I kept him and Jaimaltz for 10 hours under bard sleep and sorc stun.

It only worked because we were in the locksmith, so you couldn't (for whatever reason) sigil escape. They had an alt come in and dragged Jaimaltz then he invised and dragged out Sluntty.

You can't do it now, they'd just get arrested. Also try getting them in a place where you can't sigil escape. And some noob would just walk in and kill him because he's down and helpless. Or they'd just send an alt to come in and sanct.


BTW if you do try it, know that 417 and 119 strip stun and sleep too.
And all methods except 706 aren't refreshable. So there's gaps where he could 130 or invis or something.

[audioserf]

How did he get free?

[Deathravin]

[Ta'Illistim Locksmith]
You notice a thin wafer of crispy elven waybread, Aradluin, a large sign and an large faenor-chased barrel.
Also here: Grand Lady Deepthroat, a stunned High Lord Sluntty (prone), a stunned High Lord Jaimaltz (prone)
Obvious exits: out

J>Deepthroat changes her tune, adding a new element to her song...
J>Deepthroat skillfully weaves another verse into her harmony, directing the sound of her voice at Jaimaltz.
Jaimaltz slips into a deep slumber.
J>You gesture at Jaimaltz.
CS: +528 - TD: +317 + CvA: +14 + d100: +13 - -5 == +243
Warding failed!
The mind of Jaimaltz is already far too stunned to be affected.
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.
J>Ilikeit just arrived.
J>Ilikeit grabs Jaimaltz and drags him out.

...

Sluntty just arrived.
J>[Lockdown706]>prep 706
[Lockdown706]>Cast at #-10987186
Deepthroat changes her tune, adding a new element to her song...
J>You trace an intricate sign that contorts in the air while forcefully invoking Mind Jolt...
Your spell is ready.
J>Deepthroat skillfully weaves another verse into her harmony, directing the sound of her voice at Sluntty.
Sluntty falls to the ground in a deep slumber.
J>You gesture at Sluntty.
CS: +528 - TD: +309 + CvA: +12 + d100: +90 - -5 == +326
Warding failed!
His eyes flash with a searing jolt of light!
He is massively stunned!
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.
J>Sluntty suddenly slides out.


That was a while ago. I got quite the dose of "But Jaimaltz and I aren't the same person" that day. He wasn't even griefing from what i remember - they had just stopped because Jaimaltz was just deeded. Jaimaltz had taken a bunch of the boxes in my room. So I figured I could find him at the locksmith. Sluntty came in a few minutes later to find himself instantly stunned as well.

[4a6c1]

The best thing about this thread is Deathravins sig. I've never seen The Big O summon bees to kill her audience but somehow I always knew it would happen.

New Topic. Discuss.

[Deathravin]

She seemed very excited about it too.

[Showal]

I don't get why you guys don't catch the guy, strip him of his spells, then keep him permastunned/bound. If he logs, then set the character to just wait. Yeah, you can't play that one character, but you can always MA another one.

because as soon as he is bound the policemen take him away!!!!!!

[Liagala]

Hey everyone. Please let your voices be heard on the official boards or through feedback. I think it is safe to say that this whole Sluntty situation is showing Shattered to be flawed.

They need to tweak the rules here to make this instance playable. When a community cannot do anything about a situation it's time to change things. I am all for PvP, but when griefers like Sluntty abuse the system to specifically make people quit the game something needs to be done about it.

Let Simu know.
I just found this and haven't read the thread yet, but no. We gave them a whole line of shit in the beginning about how it's our instance, GTFO, we'll take care of our own problems. That didn't mean, "until it gets tough and we decide to come back home"

I'll probably edit this as I read more.

[Revial]

We gave them a whole line of shit in the beginning about how it's our instance, GTFO, we'll take care of our own problems. That didn't mean, "until it gets tough and we decide to come back home"
God, I could open mouth kiss you right now.

[g++]

http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?t=57581&page=17

You know what you guys did this. You thought you would be clever and it would be so neat to grief Mich and Slunty on sight. Made a thread to turn the entire community against them. You were successful and now Slunnty is enemies with the entire game at large. Well now that you're getting your asses handed to you on an unbelievable level you want to get simu to bail you out. Absolutely pathetic. Parkbandit even pointed out like a dozen times how hypocritical you were all being and now that your losing its like page 1-17 where you guys are griefing Slunnty and Mich never happened. He called your bluff and is simply better than you at griefing.

[Deathravin]

I just found this and haven't read the thread yet, but no. We gave them a whole line of shit in the beginning about how it's our instance, GTFO, we'll take care of our own problems. That didn't mean, "until it gets tough and we decide to come back home"

I'll probably edit this as I read more.

Actually what we were saying was we didn't want them slaughtering us the whole time.

[Liagala]

Actually what we were saying was we didn't want them slaughtering us the whole time.

Some were. Others were bitching about the empath table xp "policy violation" thing. Whatever the point was though, we can't have it both ways. Either we have GMs and rules, or we don't.

For the record, I think Sluntty is a slimy piece of shit and I'd love to see him gone, but asking Mommy and Daddy is the wrong way to go about it.

[Stanley Burrell]

Words.

YEAH IT WAS A TRAGEDY.

Can you repeat the question?

[Showal]

Some were. Others were bitching about the empath table xp "policy violation" thing. Whatever the point was though, we can't have it both ways. Either we have GMs and rules, or we don't.

For the record, I think Sluntty is a slimy piece of shit and I'd love to see him gone, but asking Mommy and Daddy is the wrong way to go about it.

Yeah there's a whole thread about Sluntty and mommy. It's disturbing and not worth the read.

Come on guys, calm down. Sluntty will eventually get bored. Quit bitching and he won't have a reason to keep it up for that long. I've been killed a bunch by them both, but really, it's easy to predict where they're going to be and it's easy enough to avoid them. With the XV-Spotter, it's even easier to avoid them. Seriously, how much fun can it be killing everyone and not having any challenge and for how long? The part that's probably the most fun and making it last so long is seeing everyone bitch so much and not be able to do anything about it.

Yeah, it'd be nice if Simu changed things to make it even EASIER, but I wouldn't expect much in the short term. There's a few lists of options Simu has and will likely not take. But shit, I'd be having a blast if I was a griefer fucking with Sune and reading all the "I'M GOING TO QUIT AND YOU'LL LOSE $120 A MONTH SO YOU BETTER DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT". I'm getting griefed and I love reading those posts.

In the meantime, just kill Michaelous a ton and we'll get to laugh at his retarded posts and his inability to form a coherent sentence. You know when he gets to be capped or even high level, he'll be too much of an idiot to grief well. Maybe he'll even form some turnamenonts with some cool sinareos with a lots of different tears for cimpetatiors to sign up. He'll also continue spending lots of money buying silvers from the people that kill him.

[ShatteredCasis]

Either we have GMs and rules, or we don't.

I think there's a distinction tho between rules that govern game mechanics and rules that govern game play.

The concept that shattered is without rules is preposterous. There are rules all throughout that are part of the game mechanics... ie, you have to be invited to a table, or can't cast in a sancted room. I honestly don't see why there's such an uproar about requests to tweak the rules that govern justice system mechanics.

I don't want to see Sluntty, or anyone else banned. I like shattered because there aren't gameplay rules. If Sluntty or <insert name here> wants to be a bastard, let him be a bastard. So you could consider me against rules that govern game play.

Sure some people are calling for the GM's to stop Sluntty or ban him or what not, but I think that the suggestions (see Tillmen's post on the officials) for tweaking the justice system mechanics are quite reasonable. They wouldn't stop Sluntty from being a bastard and playing the game the way he wants to play it. It would however, allow people to deal with him, without having to sacrificing their characters.

- Casis

[NocturnalRob]

Maybe he'll even form some turnamenonts with some cool sinareos with a lots of different tears for cimpetatiors to sign up.
You know...sometimes I hate you and want to kick you directly in your junk. And then you write such amazing lines of mockery that you go and totally redeem yourself!!

[Showal]

You know...sometimes I hate you and want to kick you directly in your junk. And then you write such amazing lines of mockery that you go and totally redeem yourself!!

Thanks. It's something I'm proud of.

[g++]

Do you even play Shattered?

No but can we just pretend I installed bigshot payed 35$ and afk'd for 3 months? I played gemstone.

You guys declared war on him and you got it.

[g++]

So the level of griefing from Slunnty is the same now as it was before Tillman and Nost started hunting him down and posting screen shots of him being killed?

[Deathravin]

Bottom line.

Sluntty wasn't singled out for no reason. He began it all on his own. He's not some sleeping dragon that just needed to be poked. He certainly started it, no doubt.

His level of killing raises and falls based on his own level of interest and no other reason.

[g++]

I never suggested there was any reason Slunnty should be stopped. Just because a person you think is an asshole is winning does not mean the game is broken. Slunnty was willing to lose all his items, take crushing deathsting, stop hunting and basically ignore every aspect of the game except killing players. You obviously cant beat him in any traditional sense because he has no stake in any aspect of the game except killing you. Im just pointing out that when the tables were turned you guys picked on Slunnty he is just way more dedicated than you are now. You guys are also capable of playing the game with no items, being completely banished from all towns and being constantly invisible its just not how you want to play.

[diethx]

Bottom line.

Sluntty wasn't singled out for no reason. He began it all on his own. He's not some sleeping dragon that just needed to be poked. He certainly started it, no doubt.

His level of killing raises and falls based on his own level of interest and no other reason.

BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSS SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

[Revial]

Derp.

http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m564/GSRevial/129198549746.jpg

[Liagala]

Derp.

Actually, g++ has a point. Sluntty may be a pain in the ass, but he's a one-trick pony. He has absolutely nothing going other than annoying the rest of us. When that gets old for him (which it won't do as long as everyone feeds into it so nicely by posting and complaining), he has an utterly useless character.

Kill him when you can, interrupt him when it's convenient for you by locking him in a room until he gets back to the computer and gets himself out of it, and otherwise ignore him. He'll get bored. If we come up with some effective way to take him out the way we did Mordechai's goon squad, so much the better. If not, c'est la vie. Sluntty's player did waste a lot of time and money on a character for this one narrow purpose, and it's paying off for him. Every post in this thread, every whine and bitch on lnet, and every IM/PM asking him to stop feeds his ego and ups his fun level just a little bit more.

All the complaints are like living in a ghetto, leaving the front door wide open into a room full of expensive electronics, and saying "I don't like thieves! Go away, don't come to my house and steal from me!"

[Deathravin]

The door isn't open because we leave it open. It's because there's no way to close it. Even if we did close it, there's no lock, and the sign on the front that says, "Please rob me, I can't call the police" just won't go away.

[Showal]

I actually am and have been a huge fan of the "ignore him and he will go away" club. But, I do have a problem with someone coming in and saying that we started it by griefing him first. That is just blatantly false.


Yes, we could all play naked and sitting at a table and not hunting or any other thousands of things to avoid being killed. But, that is not realistic, that is not fun, that is not what the core of this game is, and that is not going to happen. To say that since one person is choosing to play this game that way therefore you are all making the decision to not play that way, so stop QQing, is just ridiculous. One person is trying to force everyone else to play in a way that sucks, so we should just.. go with it? No. Would you do that? Just because we pressed this button or that button when we signed up does not mean that we have to sit on our hands while someone else purposefully and successfully gimps the game for everyone else. What part of "we cannot hunt because he keeps killing us" is eluding you?

What part of "I'm able to hunt without being killed" is eluding you? Find a way around it. Come on. Be smart about this.

[Deathravin]

You're able to hunt because he's calmed down the last 36 hours or so.

[Showal]

I actually leveled twice two days ago.

[Caetul]

What part of "I'm able to hunt without being killed" is eluding you? Find a way around it. Come on. Be smart about this.

Unfortunately, I don't think scripts in Shattered, makes the majority smart...If only there was a script that did the thinking FOR people, by golly it may be different!

Until then, those with half a brain will post good ideas and ways around the events at hand, those without one, will continue to complain instead of trying to find ways to resolve their issue.

[Showal]

Unfortunately, I don't think scripts in Shattered, makes the majority smart...If only there was a script that did the thinking FOR people, by golly it may be different!

Until then, those with half a brain will post good ideas and ways around the events at hand, those without one, will continue to complain instead of trying to find ways to resolve their issue.

Hell, the world is so big and there are tons of areas to hunt. Some just don't spawn that well and might take a little longer to hunt until you've fried, but worse things have happened. Oh, and it's TWO people doing all this. They can't be everywhere, killing everyone, all the time.

[Caetul]

Hell, the world is so big and there are tons of areas to hunt. Some just don't spawn that well and might take a little longer to hunt until you've fried, but worse things have happened. Oh, and it's TWO people doing all this. They can't be everywhere, killing everyone, all the time.


But according to all of Shattered, they are! And have unlimited Mana and what not to Planar Shift constantly to people, and Implode!

....Wait a minute!

As I said before though, I Can see how it's frustrating to many, but by golly people, use a brain and heaven's forbid you have to think outside of the box when hunting etc, instead of acting like a mindless zombie letting a script do everything for you.

Sure, areas are limited to certain ages, but there are numerous area's none the less as many of people have stated already.

That and like I've said, eventually he'll get bored. It's only so much fun killing people over and over again, but it's still enjoyable since everyone is getting butthurt over it. In the end, it's a game. Tools will always be in games, no matter who they are or what they do. It's inevitable....And to this day, still does not deter me from playing Gemstone, let alone most other games..

Besides...It's Almost Christmas...Be happy!

[Liagala]

But, I do have a problem with someone coming in and saying that we started it by griefing him first. That is just blatantly false.
That's fine. I wouldn't be thrilled either. That's not what g++ was saying in the post you replied "derp" to though. Unless I read it wrong, he was saying that Sluntty is a one-trick pony, and if he's willing to give up everything else just for that, more power to him.



What part of "we cannot hunt because he keeps killing us" is eluding you?
The part where people actually can not hunt. I've been ignoring GS for the last few weeks, but Sluntty foolishness didn't make my characters unplayable before that. He came by, they died, and depending on which scripts I had running, one of three things happened: They logged out on death and I fixed it when I got back to the computer, they sat and decayed then inactivity logged from the altar, or they decayed and then did the potion thing and went back out. Annoying? Yes. Unplayable? No. They had an average of 1 - 3 deaths a day, depending on whether they logged at death or headed back out. I wasn't pleased, but it didn't ruin my entire character either. There are a few things that could further mitigate this, but I'd rather let him find them after players have gotten some use, rather than posting them here and letting him alter his script preemptively.

If people go back to locking Sluntty down for whatever time period they're able to do so, the deaths will reduce. You can't keep him permanantly out, but every hour he sits bound in a room while he's afk is another hour of hunting for everyone.

[Taeguk]

I'm sure it is gonna bite me in the ass for posting this, but since he has been playing with all you good folks in the Landing and Illistim, I've gone several days without a single death from him.

Thanks folks.

[Parkbandit]

http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?t=57581&page=17

You know what you guys did this. You thought you would be clever and it would be so neat to grief Mich and Slunty on sight. Made a thread to turn the entire community against them. You were successful and now Slunnty is enemies with the entire game at large. Well now that you're getting your asses handed to you on an unbelievable level you want to get simu to bail you out. Absolutely pathetic. Parkbandit even pointed out like a dozen times how hypocritical you were all being and now that your losing its like page 1-17 where you guys are griefing Slunnty and Mich never happened. He called your bluff and is simply better than you at griefing.

CRAZY TALK!

[AMUSED1]

And just counting the 60+ hunting areas, they are 13 different hunting grounds that can spawn creatures that are level 60+. That's a lot. And there's no way just one capped sorcerer has the kind of mana or mana recovery to be able to bounce around that much. He's also going to run out of silvers for invis amulets eventually too.

[Showal]

And just counting the 60+ hunting areas, they are 13 different hunting grounds that can spawn creatures that are level 60+. That's a lot. And there's no way just one capped sorcerer has the kind of mana or mana recovery to be able to bounce around that much. He's also going to run out of silvers for invis amulets eventually too.

He probably won't run out of money. He'll just buy them from someone on an alt (which are actually probably currently hunting to keep earning coin) or con Michaelous the Brilliant out of some of his.

[Spooky]

That's fine. I wouldn't be thrilled either. That's not what g++ was saying in the post you replied "derp" to though. Unless I read it wrong, he was saying that Sluntty is a one-trick pony, and if he's willing to give up everything else just for that, more power to him.



The part where people actually can not hunt. I've been ignoring GS for the last few weeks, but Sluntty foolishness didn't make my characters unplayable before that. He came by, they died, and depending on which scripts I had running, one of three things happened: They logged out on death and I fixed it when I got back to the computer, they sat and decayed then inactivity logged from the altar, or they decayed and then did the potion thing and went back out. Annoying? Yes. Unplayable? No. They had an average of 1 - 3 deaths a day, depending on whether they logged at death or headed back out. I wasn't pleased, but it didn't ruin my entire character either. There are a few things that could further mitigate this, but I'd rather let him find them after players have gotten some use, rather than posting them here and letting him alter his script preemptively.

If people go back to locking Sluntty down for whatever time period they're able to do so, the deaths will reduce. You can't keep him permanantly out, but every hour he sits bound in a room while he's afk is another hour of hunting for everyone.

Liagala,

I really agree with you on many points. Sluntty honestly wasn't a problem before, it was 3 days a day for me, at most. Like you said. Recently he's been targeting certain players, killing them, even if they're group is closed, (then fogging them out), if they decay, he goes to the alter, raises them with his cleric, kills them again. He deeded me 20 times this way.

And he's done it to others too.

It's not that you can't hunt, it's that you don't know if he's going to target you, then deed you 30 times while you're afk.

[Showal]

It's not that you can't hunt, it's that you don't know if he's going to target you, then deed you 30 times while you're afk.

I bet what gets him to waste time is signing off and signing back on 15 minutes later when he's done waiting.

[g++]

MATCH Sluntty goto exit

exit:
put EXIT

I havent played gemstone in like 7 years and I can remember that much.

[Liagala]

if they decay, he goes to the alter, raises them with his cleric, kills them again. He deeded me 20 times this way.

Ridiculously easy to avoid. Run a background script that catches the messaging for his cleric linking with you. When it sees that, it unlinks. Poof, problem solved.

[Gelston]

MATCH Sluntty goto exit

exit:
put EXIT

I havent played gemstone in like 7 years and I can remember that much.

It'd be hilarious to chat sluntty to people who make such scripts.

[g++]

It'd be hilarious to chat sluntty to people who make such scripts.

Or when he died. Or if you had logon/logoffs enabled. Im sure someone who is actually being terrorized in fantasy land can make a better script than me.

[g++]

Okay yeah, you clearly haven't read anything relevant to what you are posting. He casts implosion from hiding (or invisibility). He doesn't walk up and start casting 702 on you. He implodes you, you die. There is no seeing him before he kills you.

Thats to avoid being deeded. Who cares if you die once.

[g++]

Yah you could just use YOU ARE A GHOST! or whatever the messaging is. Thats obviously a better solution.

[Deathravin]

It's called slamming; it's frowned upon and you become a trophy.

[g++]

ROFL fine get deeded you guys are hilarious. There are no rules in this game but hey keep playing by arbitrary restrictions that let people who don't rock you.

[Glitch]

I was going to comment on some of these recent statements but both sides have gotten too fucking retarded.

[Bhaalizmo]

This thread is great.









for me to poop on.

[Drunken Durfin]

Easily fooled:


MATCH Sluntty goto exit

exit:
put EXIT

I havent played gemstone in like 7 years and I can remember that much.

Cannot be fooled:



spot_list = /Gmtillmen|Ilikeit|Snatchel|Sluntty|Jaimaltz/

spotted = Array.new

loop {
if member = GameObj.pcs.find { |pc| pc.name =~ spot_list }
room = Room.current.id

unless spotted.include?(member.name)
LNet.send_message(attr={'type'=>'channel', 'channel'=>send_channel}, "XV-Spotter: Spotted enemy [#{member.name}] #{Room[room].title} (#{room}) - PCS: #{GameObj.pcs.join(', ')} NPCS: #{GameObj.npcs.join(', ')}")
spotted << member.name
end
end

spotted.delete_if { |spot| GameObj.pcs.find { |pc| pc.name =~ /#{spot}/ }.nil? }

sleep 0.10

if dead?
room = Room.current.id
LNet.send_message(attr={'type'=>'channel', 'channel'=>send_channel}, "XV-Spotter: I'm dead in #{Room[room].title} (#{room}) - PCS: #{GameObj.pcs.join(', ')} NPCS: #{GameObj.npcs.join(', ')}")
exit
end
}

[Carl Spackler]

MATCH Sluntty goto exit

exit:
put EXIT

I havent played gemstone in like 7 years and I can remember that much.

someone beat me to it

[Ryvicke]

Now that I'm back on the PC I'd like to resume trying to push my Spader meme:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/nobody_boy/spaderTHREADOVER.jpg

[Ryvicke]

ROFL fine get deeded you guys are hilarious. There are no rules in this game but hey keep playing by arbitrary restrictions that let people who don't rock you.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/nobody_boy/SPADERROCKYOU.jpg

[Revial]

...I'm speechless. Spader has taken my sails and raped holes in them. Yes, raped. Not ripped.

[g++]

So who is Spader?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Spader

Wow he was Rip in Less than Zero and I had no idea. All these years of living in the dark.

[waywardgs]

You just redaps this thread.

[Ryvicke]

So who is Spader?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/nobody_boy/Tuff_Turf_Movie_Poster.jpg

[Back]

He was in a great movie called Crash by Cronenburg.


After getting into a serious car accident, a TV director discovers an underground sub-culture of scarred, omnisexual car-crash victims who use car accidents and the raw sexual energy they produce to try to rejuvenate his sex life with his wife.

http://www.imdb.com/video/screenplay/vi1948517145/

[joehollywood]

He was also Dr Daniel Jackson in Stargate!!!

[Back]

He was also Dr Daniel Jackson in Stargate!!!

Another great movie.

[grenthor]

and alan shore in boston legal

[diethx]

The best Spader movie is Secretary.

Pretty in Pink > Secretary

[joehollywood]

Pretty in pink is NOT better than Secretary...

Comments like that are obviously made by someone who doesn't have anyone in their life willing to tell them how many peas to eat!!!

[4a6c1]

Um.
http://lh5.ggpht.com/snazench/SPBy0cIHUPI/AAAAAAAAAB4/brAgaJcT1XA/fairuza_hottie.jpg
Yeah.

(I liked Return to Oz)
[Since we are talking about random movies that rock]

[Drunken Durfin]

Um.
http://lh5.ggpht.com/snazench/SPBy0cIHUPI/AAAAAAAAAB4/brAgaJcT1XA/fairuza_hottie.jpg


Fariuza...I would nom.

[Fortybox]

Fariuza...I would nom.

Eyebrows...scary.

[diethx]

Pretty in pink is NOT better than Secretary...

http://www.shallisayitagain.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/lex-luthor-wrong.jpg

[Drunken Durfin]

Eyebrows...scary.

Would not be able to see them while I was nom'ing.

[Warriorbird]

If Fairuza Balk and I had children their eyebrows would break the world.