Random venting

[Reijin]

I've always been seriously pissed about how people act when it comes to certain things. Especially when you see people giving another person shit just because they see others who they think are cool doing it. One perfect example is the whole Warclaidhm situation. People who had never had any interaction at all were constantly giving him shit just because other people were doing it. I guess the majority of the players of Gemstone are nothing more than fucking Lemmins preparing to follow morons as they walk right off a fucking cliff. If the mods don't like this post, or don't like my attitude, then they're more than welcome to delete this post, ban me, whatever. I just needed to say this. I really could care less about any of these people, but it's completely unfair that some people catch so much flak based on others thinking it's cool to do it. Luckily, I won't be around in Gemstone much longer to put up with it. Goodbye.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Actually I didn't say/do a thing about Idiothm until he went rabid on me. Then it was on :)

Ditto with Klaive's dumb ass. Face it, some people are hated for a reason.

[Reijin]

Yes, some people do have reason to give Klaive and Warclaidhm shit. But I've seen people who have no interacted with either of them in any way talk shit about them just because others are doing it. It's really fucking lame.

[Bobmuhthol]

<<Yes, some people do have reason to give Klaive and Warclaidhm shit.>>

<----

[Fengus]

My only problem with either of them is how much lame ass spam I see *about* them by people here and on psinet. Although I'm not sure whos to blame for that, but I wish they would all just STFU about it, get some more interesting enemies already these ones bore me.

:baa:

[Galleazzo]

And it's fucking lame to come on and spew about strangers you don't know, too, if ya wanna play that game.

Buh-bye, now.

:bye:

[AnticorRifling]

Why are you bringing this up months after the fact? He was a tool and got treated accordingly.

[Sean]

If I decided I was going to start a crusade and everyone should make fun of and abuse Edaarin because I don't like him. And I presented it as the cool thing to do I don't think everyone would follow me? You know why? Because hes established himself as not being an idiot. Sure some poeple might pay a bit more attention to him to see why but in the case of warclaidhm once they did that they saw why people ripped on him and then joined in. I don't think anyone baselessly bashed him because it was "cool."

But like some poeple said it was months ago, get the fuck over it ;)

[AnticorRifling]

Originally posted by Tijay
If I decided I was going to start a crusade and everyone should make fun of and abuse Edaarin because I don't like him. And I presented it as the cool thing to do I don't think everyone would follow me? You know why? Because hes established himself as not being an idiot. Sure some poeple might pay a bit more attention to him to see why but in the case of warclaidhm once they did that they saw why people ripped on him and then joined in. I don't think anyone baselessly bashed him because it was "cool."

But like some poeple said it was months ago, get the fuck over it ;)

I'd follow you to the gates of hell and back if it involved making fun of Edaarin.

[Kurili]

Edaarin-bashing??

I'm in!


Kurili, cackling wildly

[HarmNone]

Edaarin is a stand-up guy,
As everybody knows.
It's folks like him who show us why
New Pudgee really blows!

:wasntme:

[Skirmisher]

Wow Ganryu even gets burnt in verse.:wow:

[DCSL]

Heh, I could have told you that ranting on these boards about the people on these boards is a losing battle. If you don't want to become ostracized yourself, you need to shut up and keep your opinions (if they differ with others') to yourself. It sucks, but that's the way it is.

If you don't care about being ostracized, then hey, have at it. But I can tell you... it can be a higher price than you want to pay to have everyone on the boards gang up on you. Just be careful.

(Edited to get rid of that winking smiley.)

[Edited on 4-23-2004 by DCSL]

[MPSorc]

well to tell you the truth, Reijin, i actually hunted like 4 times with Warclaidhm in illistim, orcsworld, and he seemed an alright guy then, but we only met up the 4 hunts back to back then he left cause it was too quiet, never saw anything wrong with him, but also never had a long period of time around him which is why i don't harp on him.

[Bobmuhthol]

<<he left cause it was too quiet>>

Large crowds bring out the idiot in him.

[MPSorc]

That is possible, im not to into the big crowds like landing but i love the peace and quiet of the Nations, plus it still isn't that crowded yet, hell there are only 5 tables at either inn in Ta'Vaalor and you can get a seat at one 9 times out of 10.

[Edaarin]

You want to know why I ragged on Warclaidhm? Fine, I'll outline it for you.

I gave him not one, not two, not three, but four fresh starts. Every time he turned and burned me for it. Between the WARN interactions, the ripping off of some of my friends in game, the shit he talked about some other friends in game behind their backs, and his blatant inability to comprehend what exactly made him out of character...I'd get fed up within days of giving him another chance at showing that he wasn't a complete waste of life.

In the end, he joined Haashek on my short list of squelched players, because it made me sick to my stomach. I don't know what exactly was wrong with him, maybe autism, maybe avoidant personality, but it seriously got to the point where I felt like I was picking on a handicapped 13 year old somewhere.

I'm glad he's been able to move past Gemstone, hopefully he'll find some more success socially in real life than in a fantasy world where he was constantly pissing off other people and in turn being pissed on. What I don't appreciate however is someone stepping into a community (yes, the PC is a community however messed up the individuals that inhabit it may be, heh) and launching a tirade on a subject that I'm certain he hasn't taken the time to read up on.

Ask Atheana how well yelling at people who either don't know who you are or are indifferent towards you works.

[Edaarin]

Also, Anticor was Haashek's son and Tijay was Hashum's father in game.

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by DCSL
If you don't want to become ostracized yourself, you need to shut up and keep your opinions (if they differ with others') to yourself. It sucks, but that's the way it is.Call me naive if you must (and I'm not going to search for the character map so I can do the cool i) but I don't think that's true at all. I can't think of anyone who is ostracized (solely) because they're different. That's not to say that there aren't people ostracized who happen to be different, obviously.

[HarmNone]

Originally posted by DCSL
If you don't care about being ostracized, then hey, have at it. But I can tell you... it can be a higher price than you want to pay to have everyone on the boards gang up on you. Just be careful.

It takes a very special kind of idiot to get EVERYBODY on these boards to agree on ANYTHING. We are awash with individualists. ;)

There have been a couple of instances in which the boards united against someone, but only a couple. Even in those cases, I can remember some people endeavoring to defend the ones being chewed up and spit out. Most of those people lived to regret even trying, as they found out that there was no saving virtue to defend.

HarmNone

[AnticorRifling]

Originally posted by Edaarin
Also, Anticor was Haashek's son and Tijay was Hashum's father in game.

But I've never bitten another man's nipple.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Originally posted by DCSL
Heh, I could have told you that ranting on these boards about the people on these boards is a losing battle. If you don't want to become ostracized yourself, you need to shut up and keep your opinions (if they differ with others') to yourself. It sucks, but that's the way it is.

If you don't care about being ostracized, then hey, have at it. But I can tell you... it can be a higher price than you want to pay to have everyone on the boards gang up on you. Just be careful.

(Edited to get rid of that winking smiley.)

[Edited on 4-23-2004 by DCSL]

I strongly disagree with you on that... I frequently post against the grain on things. I think a lot of it has to do with how you post...

There certainly is a mob mentality to this community, but its not draconian. It also has a lot to do with how much you give a shit about others opinion of you.

[Sean]

Originally posted by AnticorRifling

Originally posted by Edaarin
Also, Anticor was Haashek's son and Tijay was Hashum's father in game.

But I've never bitten another man's nipple.

I've never sexually molested a cripple.

[Edaarin]

1. Fabricated
2. Only molested if taken out of context

[DCSL]

Originally posted by HarmNone

Originally posted by DCSL
If you don't care about being ostracized, then hey, have at it. But I can tell you... it can be a higher price than you want to pay to have everyone on the boards gang up on you. Just be careful.

It takes a very special kind of idiot to get EVERYBODY on these boards to agree on ANYTHING. We are awash with individualists. ;)

There have been a couple of instances in which the boards united against someone, but only a couple. Even in those cases, I can remember some people endeavoring to defend the ones being chewed up and spit out. Most of those people lived to regret even trying, as they found out that there was no saving virtue to defend.

HarmNone

I dunno, I see a difference. It seems to just be me, though, as was pointed out to me again and again in various insults the last time I said something like this... But, what the hell, one more time. At least I don't play GS anymore, so no one can take it out on my characters again.

Since they're the two most popular examples, I'll use Warclaidhm and Atheana. Warclaidhm is a moron. He's highly irritating, a liar, a cheat. A sore upon the face of humanity, or whatever the current name for him is. Atheana is equally socially inept, also a liar, a whiner, et cetera.

No one has ever accused me of being a friend to either of them, OOC or otherwise. I've been annoyed by both as much as most (although seemingly not as much as Edaarin... his hate is strong.) But, my god, I cannot help but be sorry for them.

I've been called all kinds of bitch by some of the people on here, and then all kinds of soft-hearted and weak and sheltered, by the same people. I don't know which is right. I know I surely fit into many of the defining categories of bitch that were in the Social forum. And my defense of these people surely seems soft-hearted and sheltered in ideals.

But.. whatever. I don't know. All I know is that when people broke Atheana down into tears repeatedly, I felt like crying myself. I don't see how there's much justification for inflicting pain like that on another human being for things that have been done in an online game, in a message forum.

Some people have more personal issues with her, I understand that completely. I'm almost always on the side of an eye-for-an-eye. I just wondered... how many people did she completely breakdown? How many were in tears and further questioning their already dubious (in her case.. she's obviously got issues with this) self-worth?

I don't know. And yes, I have been around for a little bit, so I have watched and read all of this, and experienced much of it myself. So I'm not just some stranger coming out of nowhere, beating on people and situations I don't know about. Not that I was the last time I said this stuff, either, but.. ah well.

Flame away, although I'd prefer it done in U2Us, rather than in someone else's thread. Although it might fit the topic.. hm. Either way.

Last time I say any of this stuff, I swear. From now on, I promise I'll keep my mouth shut and abide by the majority opinion of when it's okay to cut another person down, like a good little girl.

[HarmNone]

I hear what you are saying, DCSL. Yet, it was Lady Voldemort herself who started the thread that ended in her demise as a poster here, and it was Lady Voldemort herself who insisted that people speak their minds about her. Several of us tried to head her off at the pass early in the event, and several of us tried to defend her. The end product was of her own making.

I am not, normally, one to rip into people for the hell of it. I do not find it enjoyable, and it usually does no good at all. However, in the case of Lady Voldemort, by the time she was through insulting just about everybody here, there was little else one could do than take her apart. Hell, she was even bashing on her defenders! She just would NOT shut up! She admitted, later, that she brought it all on herself.

As for Warclaidhm, he has done EXACTLY the same thing. He brings trouble on himself by not knowing when to STFU! Half the time, he does not read what is said. He just jumps to a conclusion and runs with it. He gave me hell once for saying something NICE about him! That kind of person is just looking to have his ass handed to him...and he got just that.

There is nothing wrong with defending the underdog, hon. Just watch out. Sometimes, the underdog you are defending turns around and takes your hand off. :)

HarmNone

[Edited on 4-23-2004 by HarmNone]

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Originally posted by DCSL
[quote]
If you don't care about being ostracized, .... Last time I say any of this stuff, I swear. From now on, I promise I'll keep my mouth shut and abide by the majority opinion of when it's okay to cut another person down, like a good little girl.

Now you are just making yourself out to be a martyr or something. Come on now, you are better than that and it does nothing to strengthen your argument by throwing in your own cheap shots.

[DCSL]

Originally posted by Suppa Hobbit Mage

Originally posted by DCSL
[quote]
If you don't care about being ostracized, .... Last time I say any of this stuff, I swear. From now on, I promise I'll keep my mouth shut and abide by the majority opinion of when it's okay to cut another person down, like a good little girl.

Now you are just making yourself out to be a martyr or something. Come on now, you are better than that and it does nothing to strengthen your argument by throwing in your own cheap shots.

I'm not a martyr, heh. If I were, I wouldn't be bitching about suffering. It was, though, just my sarcastic way of seriously saying I'll try to get it all out of my system and shut up, because I know it brings me no friends and I do enjoy the PC much of the time. Truly!

[Reijin]

It seems people are getting the wrong idea here. If I wanted to follow the crowd, and fit in I obviously would not have posted this. I don't give a shit what any of you think of me, except for very few of you, and you know who you are. I've never been one to follow others' actions just because it was the thing to do to fit in or whatever. I have nothing to prove to anyone, nor do I want to prove anything. It was random venting, as the title of the thread clearly states, and was not aimed at anyone specifically.

[Xcalibur]

Warclaidhm: left trully or not, that is the question.

I don't believe in karma, but sometimes life is weird...

:lol:

[Edited on 24-4-04 by Xcalibur]

[Edaarin]

Originally posted by Reijin
Especially when you see people giving another person shit just because they see others who they think are cool doing it.

--- Yeah, there's nothing cooler than being a virtual online bully :rolleyes:

One perfect example is the whole Warclaidhm situation. People who had never had any interaction at all were constantly giving him shit just because other people were doing it.

--- Exactly where did you draw this conclusion from? Did you even read any of the threads about Warclaidhm or anyone else that we've 'picked on'?

I guess the majority of the players of Gemstone are nothing more than fucking Lemmins preparing to follow morons as they walk right off a fucking cliff.

--- That's gotta be the shittiest fucking analogy I've ever heard.

If the mods don't like this post, or don't like my attitude, then they're more than welcome to delete this post, ban me, whatever.

--- Even were this important enough to ban (it's not, get over yourself, you suck at insults), I don't think anyone would really notice you missing.

...it's completely unfair that some people catch so much flak based on others thinking it's cool to do it. Luckily, I won't be around in Gemstone much longer to put up with it. Goodbye.

In conclusion, don't forget to let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. If it really mattered to you that much, you should have stuck up for Warclaidhm or whoever was the "flavor of the month" that we decide to point our vindictive boards towards because we're cool.

But hey, I just wasted 2 minutes of my life writing this post because you don't care what we think, and you don't visit these boards ever. Oh well.

EDIT: I'm genuinely curious as to what you hoped to achieve by posting that badly organized, poorly thought out post. Oh LAWD what have I done, I'm nothing more than a zombie who follows what the majority is doing. I swear from today onwards I'm going to stop eating meat, do 20 hours a week of volunteer work at the local soup kitchen, and catch/save at least one child a week from a fall/car accident.

[Edited on 4-24-2004 by Edaarin]

[Shari]

Ya'll are missing Reijin's point.

People tend to attack someone simply because they see someone else doing it, whether in game or on the boards.

I'm not going to name names, because it is irrelevant. But a couple people were having issues with a certain couple of people. These people made it known in the game and a load of other people jumped on the bandwagon to help (pretty much) obliterate these two people.

I myself have no affiliation with these two people, yet there is now a following to have these people wiped out. Don't get me wrong I'm sure the attackers have friends that thought they'd help out, but others joined in just for the hell of having something "fun" to do.

Anyway, that's how I saw his post.

[FinisWolf]

Reijin~

You do not realize it IG and IC, but I met your ass in the park today. You talk shit like this, and then you turn around and do it yourself. Stop being a hipocrit at least... "Follower"

Finiswolf

[HarmNone]

Ish, Jesae. I do not play anymore, so was not aware that things were going on in-game. I certainly agree that it is silly to take things that happen here on the boards into the game to make trouble there. Those are characters in a role-playing game. They should not be affected by what goes on here on these boards. :(

HarmNone

[Skirmisher]

Originally posted by Jesae
Ya'll are missing Reijin's point.

People tend to attack someone simply because they see someone else doing it, whether in game or on the boards.

...

Don't get me wrong I'm sure the attackers have friends that thought they'd help out, but others joined in just for the hell of having something "fun" to do.

Anyway, that's how I saw his post.

I take offense at posts like his though for the same reason I did to earlier ones and that is because I was one of the people who stuck thier neck out defending Warclaidh and was made to look like an idiot by his bahavior.

Later when i came to agree with people that he was incorrigible someone accused me of jumping on the bandwagon.

Hey if people make assumptions simply because they have not read all the threads about that I'm done asnwering the newbie of the week who thinks he is going to show all the bad evil people here the error of our ways.

Anyone wants to call me a follower in this case feel free to name me specifically and we can get into it but can the blanket statements. They are weak.

[Shari]

Originally posted by Skirmisher
I take offense at posts like his though for the same reason I did to earlier ones and that is because I was one of the people who stuck thier neck out defending Warclaidh and was made to look like an idiot by his bahavior.

Later when i came to agree with people that he was incorrigible someone accused me of jumping on the bandwagon.

Hey if people make assumptions simply because they have not read all the threads about that I'm done asnwering the newbie of the week who thinks he is going to show all the bad evil people here the error of our ways.

Anyone wants to call me a follower in this case feel free to name me specifically and we can get into it but can the blanket statements. They are weak.

Okay first: I don't know WHO your character is, nor do I care.

Second: I was making this a generalized statement because I wasn't pinpointing this on one certain incident with a group of people. I generalized specifically because it goes on so many times it isn't worth picking out one specific incident.

Third: I'm not agreeing with Reijin (of course it may have sounded that way, I was tired last night) I simply was trying to clarify the point Reijin was making, I don't believe I said it was right or wrong. I just don't get myself invoved in issues like that.

Fourth: I fully agree people have the right to get involved in something because they are friends, were screwed over by someone, etc. I'm sorry if people accused you of jumping the bandwagon.

Fifth: I don't make blanket statements even if I'm really referring to someone specific. If I'm talking about someone, I'm naming names and pointing fingers to clarify, don't you worry about that.:D

Edited because I should make it a rule to not post before coffee because the brain doesn't work properly.

[Edited on 4-24-2004 by Jesae]

[HouseofElves]

If you've ever been to a merchant and Warclaidm was there, you have total reason to be a little irked with him. I've never heard so much whining or bitching in my life.

But you know what, it's done, it's over. And while there are people like Hammerhead and the like we can all just move on.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Hey now! Hammerhead is the shit. HammerRhead is the copy cat mo fo that stole my name.

[HouseofElves]

Originally posted by Suppa Hobbit Mage
Hey now! Hammerhead is the shit. HammerRhead is the copy cat mo fo that stole my name.

Oh yeah, I forgot you can't spell retard without two "r"s.

^^^
Hey, retarded people are awesome.

The girl doing the fries at McDonalds might be tri-somi 21, but you don't care when you're hitting that shit from behind, c'mon...

<---- VERY Happy McDonald employee from the beginning to eternity.

Sincerely,
-Stanley

[HouseofElves]

:wtf:

[Weedmage Princess]

You don't have to have met Warclaidhm IC to form a negative opinion of him..same can be said for a couple of others that come to mind.

I don't play Prime..I haven't since 2001..so I've never met Warclaidhm in the game. Yet I can weigh in on some of his negative aspects. How you ask? Because he's posted on these boards for quite some time. He's come here, made threads complaining about being mistreated and in the same post talked about how he's scammed people. It's not too hard to call someone who does stuff like that a dipshit. You don't have to "meet the character" IC to make call. I won't go into his threads here where he's talked about leaving the game only to show up a little while later. Attention seeker much? (although it appears he's stood true to his word this last time around)

Now, I don't know what goes on IC because I'm not there..I'll agree to bring issues that are OOG into the game is lame and anyone who does that needs to be called on it and corrected, but from what I've gathered you seem to have an issue with the way posters here talk about others..and hey, we can only judge on what we see. Via logs, you have a point. Since it's easy to doctor a log, I think most people take logs posted with a grain of salt. But once someone comes here and starts posting..well, that's what's going to be judged.

[AnticorRifling]

Originally posted by Stanley Burrell
^^^
Hey, retarded people are awesome.

The girl doing the fries at McDonalds might be tri-somi 21, but you don't care when you're hitting that shit from behind, c'mon...

<---- VERY Happy McDonald employee from the beginning to eternity.

Sincerely,
-Stanley

I don't care, I laughed at that.

[Fengus]

It should be no surprise that many people don't form their own opinions and do what the other guy is doing. Its possible this insight has elluded you, if you are still in gradeschool, or for someother reason you were totally unaware during the socialization process we all know as public schooling.

It is what it is, some people are leaders, some are follower, its not the followers job to think up new directions to travel. Thats what the leaders do. This system only sucks when it is unjustified, knowing nothing about warclaidhm I can only say I'm tried of hearing about it, if he is gone, let it lie.