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top shottah
12-14-2010, 01:36 PM
I'm assuming that's what happened here since I was in full defensive?

!>410
[voodoo]>incant 410
You trace a simple rune while intoning the mystical phrase for Elemental Wave...
Your spell is ready.
You do not currently have a target.
!>
A human bandit leaps out of his hiding place!
A human bandit swings a mace at you!
AS: +452 vs DS: +335 with AvD: +29 + d100 roll: +88 = +234
... and hits for 32 points of damage!
You are knocked back several feet by a blow to the abdomen.
You are stunned for 5 rounds!
!S>
A human bandit swings a mace at you!
AS: +377 vs DS: +538 with AvD: +29 + d100 roll: +51 = -81
A clean miss.
!S>
In an awe inspiring display of combat mastery, a human bandit engages you in a furious dance macabre, spiralling into a blur of strikes and ripostes!
A human bandit swings a mace at you!
Fumbling aimlessly, you stagger out of the way of the attack!

A human bandit swings a mace at you!
AS: +377 vs DS: +538 with AvD: +29 + d100 roll: +23 = -109
A clean miss.

A human bandit swings a mace at you!
AS: +377 vs DS: +538 with AvD: +29 + d100 roll: +90 = -42
A clean miss.

A human bandit swings a mace at you!
AS: +377 vs DS: +538 with AvD: +29 + d100 roll: +89 = -43
A clean miss.

Tordane
12-14-2010, 01:42 PM
Correct. Was an ambush pushdown.

Revial
12-14-2010, 02:09 PM
Yeah, ambush pushdown is pretty rough.

I been meaning to ask, does the pushdown work when you're using a bow?

Morph
12-14-2010, 02:18 PM
Also, despite popular belief, perception doesn't seem to help counter ambush pushdown. At least, I don't see any difference between 10 ranks and 101 ranks.

Revial
12-14-2010, 02:21 PM
I think Ambush helps prevent being raped by ambush pushdown. Could be wrong, often am.

DoctorUnne
12-14-2010, 05:55 PM
There's no pushdown with a bow, although ranged DS is often almost as low. I thought perception did help with reducing ambush pushdown, but bandits are mostly 2x ambush. I think usually 2x ambush is going to trump 1x perception. I am 2x perception and frequently I get pushed down into full offensive by ambushes. Often however, I do not. It could be CM too that prevents pushdown - I don't think it's ambush skill.

Mogonis
12-14-2010, 06:02 PM
I think Ambush helps prevent being raped by ambush pushdown. Could be wrong, often am.
Eh, not that I've noticed. I'm fully trained in Ambush (202) with 155 Perception ranks, and bandits still drop my DS like crazy.