Someone Go Steal Nakiro's Training Plan And Send It To Me

[Varsus]

Yup.

-Varsus (heh)

[theotherjohn]

2x HP
1x MIU
1x Arc Sym
22 ranks Empath spells
11 ranks Minor Spirit
11 ranks Major Spirit
2x Spell Aiming
1x Mental Mana Control
1x Spiritual Mana Control
3x First Aid
1x Mental Lore - Manipulation
1x Spirit Lore - Summoning
6 Ranks of Armor
1x Physical Training

If you can't fit all that in, back off on the Harness Power a bit.

[Nakiro]

Heh, why do you want it? And did you want runestaff or archery training?

[Varsus]

archery, do you do runestaff now?

My empath is 68, basically bone shatter hunts...

100 ranks mental lore manip. and some other junk.

-Varsus

[Nakiro]

Okay well here is my advice ( I can't post my training since I don't have archery anymore)

For 1106:
1x Manipulation Lore - You won't need more than this to make the damage high.
3x First Aid - This plays a major role in the criticals of 1106. 3x is good.

For archery purposes:
1x Ranged
2x Perception

In general:
1x +10/20 Empath ranks. Gotta have the CS to hit shit.
MjS to 226
MnS Whatever's left. This generates more DS than MjS per spell
35/40 Ranks MIU
35/40 Ranks ArcSym
1x Harness Power
1x MC - Spirit
1x PT
Armor 35 - Brig is the shit. Especially if you plan on kneeling and shooting after a good foot removal with 1106.

The rest are basically free points. I don't really find going 3x in spells worth it enough to go over maybe by 10 - 20 spells at 86. Just too expensive and it doesn't raise CS/DS enough to be important. I do train in trading though, for flare, which is always nice to have as a human in EN.


My current runestaff training (because most things my age are easy to bolt with 111):

>
Nakiro (at level 86), your current skill bonuses and ranks (including all modifiers) are:
Skill Name | Current Current
| Bonus Ranks
Armor Use..........................| 130 35
Multi Opponent Combat..............| 15 3
Physical Fitness...................| 144 44
Arcane Symbols.....................| 188 88
Magic Item Use.....................| 188 88
Spell Aiming.......................| 276 176
Harness Power......................| 229 129
Elemental Mana Control.............| 102 24
Mental Mana Control................| 102 24
Spirit Mana Control................| 150 50
Spiritual Lore - Summoning.........| 188 88
Mental Lore - Manipulation.........| 188 88
Perception.........................| 143 43
Climbing...........................| 120 30
Swimming...........................| 120 30
First Aid..........................| 364 264
Trading............................| 188 88

Spell Lists
Major Spirit.......................| 26

Spell Lists
Minor Spirit.......................| 50

Spell Lists
Empath.............................| 100

I'm 10.5x but in retrospective, the benifit for going over 8x in magical skills is limited, and I'd probably drop down to 9.5x and pick up some other stuff.

That's about it. Enjoy

[Nakiro]

Oh yah, 30 climb 25 swim will do you well enough for anywhere you really want to go. More climb would be nice for threads and stairs in the rift, but not a huge deal.

[Jonty]

Why do you guys want to train in mental mana control?

[Scott]

Originally posted by Jonty
Why do you guys want to train in mental mana control?

There is no reason.

First, mental mana control won't be needed for a LONG time.

Second, there will be a fix-skills when it comes out.

What a waste of TP's.

[Sean]

because its a cheap magic rank for runestaves.

[Snapp]

What needs 25 ranks of swim? I'm just curious, it's just so rare that you need to swim. I agree with Mental mana control being a waste. Why not up the spirit mana control instead if you want ranks, just for the reason of getting better mana regen?

[Sean]

Probably because assuming my numbers are correct both cost 0/3 for empaths. So you can you can 1x smc and 1x mmc at less cost than training other magic skills that you wont use either. Because no empath will probably use a full 1x miu or the benefits of a full 1x arcane etc.

[Edited on 4-21-2004 by Tijay]

[Nakiro]

I do MMC because I know atleast ONE bard that trains in it and no elemental, so I picked up my share so I can send during purifying sessions.

25 ranks of swim will get you past the underground river to the Rift and through the waters before the Old Ta'Faendryl Barrier.

You can't use any device to transport yourself to one of these locations so its mandatory.

[Jonty]

As to mental mana control being used as a cheap magic ranks, I wouldn't do it since the difference in going over 8 magic skills per level by JUST mental mana control in very small. you could train in other magic skills which might costs a little more, but actually have some use in the current game.

And a bard training in mental mana control? I don't see a reason for them to do it either.... Their elemental mana control costs exactly the same.

[Scott]

Originally posted by Nakiro
25 ranks of swim will get you past the underground river to the Rift and through the waters before the Old Ta'Faendryl Barrier.



You don't need that many to get past the water.

[Edaarin]

You need anywhere from 20 to 30 ranks of swim to get to the Rift (my rogue gets in fine with 20, I've heard pures need 25 or 30).

[Jonty]

What happens if you don't have enough swiming for the rift or OTF? Does it not let you in, or do you drown?

[Edaarin]

Dunno about OTF, but if you don't have enough ranks you can't jump into the lake.

[Drew2]

MMC is cheaper than doubling in SMC and you still get the higher mana pulse benefit. Also, it's another magic rank to help defense. I train in it because there is benefit, regardless of its usefulness.

Bards train in MMC because it helps Song of Unravelling, whereas EMC does nothing for them.

[pennywise]

Just as a by the way, unless they have changed the swimming necessary for the rift since GS4 was implemented, my sorcerer could make it fine with 15 ranks of swimming. Id usually loose a few health points, 20 max.