What the heck is going on here?

[Spooky]

I have 202 ranks in PT, almost 200 ranks in armor, and quite a bit also in two handed weapons and CM, which are most of the primary and secondary redux skills.

Yet I completely don't understand this. Isn't crit padding supposed to RAISE the crit deflator not decrease it? How the heck do I have 37% redux? All these hits are around the same. And just so you know, I assesed the maul, it is not weighted. Its a fusion maul but has no orbs inside. Dex weighting or not, I don't get this. I used to have anywhere from 54-57%.

Just so you know, my armor is full plate, which is somewhat crit padded. Additionally, I used major protection stack on top, which makes my armor exceptionally crit padded for these hits. I just checked the logs and I did use major protection NOT minor, which can screw up results.

have learned one spell. Maybe that nerfed it?

Michaelous swings a tanik-hafted smoky glaes sledgehammer at you!
AS: +388 vs DS: +149 with AvD: +36 + d100 roll: +55 = +330
... and hits for 52 points of damage!
Solid blow gouges a chunk out of your left leg.
You are stunned for 1 rounds!
37.5%

1 - (57/91.2)
37.5%

230 * .3 = 69
+ 15 = 84

1 - (52/84)

Michaelous swings a tanik-hafted smoky glaes sledgehammer at you!
AS: +423 vs DS: +159 with AvD: +36 + d100 roll: +54 = +354
... and hits for 57 points of damage!
Solid blow gouges a chunk out of your right leg.
You are stunned for 1 rounds!
38%



More hits...

Michaelous swings a tanik-hafted smoky glaes sledgehammer at you!
AS: +423 vs DS: +159 with AvD: +36 + d100 roll: +54 = +354
... and hits for 57 points of damage!
Solid blow gouges a chunk out of your right leg.
You are stunned for 1 rounds!

Michaelous swings a tanik-hafted smoky glaes sledgehammer at you!
AS: +398 vs DS: +156 with AvD: +36 + d100 roll: +5 = +283
... and hits for 41 points of damage!
Smash to the kneecap.
36.82%



183 * .3 (weapon DF of maul)) = raw dmg 54.9
10 crit dmg = theortical damage = 54.9 + 10 = 64.9 theortical

1 - (41/64.9) =
hYou swing a golden vultite maul at Michaelous!
AS: +385 vs DS: +204 with AvD: +52 + d100 roll: +59 = +292
... and hit for 41 points of damage!
Left elbow smashed into a thousand pieces.

** Your vultite maul unleashes an invisible burst of force! **

... 5 points of damage!
Michaelous's shield arm twists oddly but snaps right back.
Roundtime: 5 sec.

Michaelous swings a tanik-hafted smoky glaes sledgehammer at you!
AS: +388 vs DS: +149 with AvD: +36 + d100 roll: +55 = +330
... and hits for 52 points of damage!
Solid blow gouges a chunk out of your left leg.
You are stunned for 1 rounds!

You swing a golden vultite maul at Michaelous!
AS: +375 vs DS: +169 with AvD: +52 + d100 roll: +16 = +274
... and hit for 45 points of damage!
Flesh ripped from back, muscles exposed.
He is stunned!
Roundtime: 5 sec.

Michaelous swings a tanik-hafted smoky glaes sledgehammer at you!
AS: +388 vs DS: +135 with AvD: +36 + d100 roll: +1 = +290
... and hits for 29 points of damage!
Bones in right arm crack.
190 * .3 = 57
crit = 7
theorical = 57 + 7 = 64


Just now..tested on minos..

A lesser minotaur swings a curved silvery white greataxe at you!
AS: +376 vs DS: +108 with AvD: +32 + d100 roll: +100 = +400
... and hits for 41 points of damage!
Downward slash across your left thigh
Gouges bone!
You are stunned for 1 rounds!
(SWCP)
55.56%
.275 * 300 = 82.5
10

= 92.5

A lesser minotaur swings a curved silvery white greataxe at you!
AS: +376 vs DS: +110 with AvD: +32 + d100 roll: +76 = +374
... and hits for 33 points of damage!
Blow raises a welt on your left arm.
57.88%
(HCP + SWCP)
>
274 * .275 = 75.35
78.35
1 - (33/78.35)

....



You manage to make a faint wheezing sound.

As you concentrate on your sigil, you feel a brief surge of vitality course throughout your body.

Michaelous says, "I win."

You say, "Is that weighted or somethin."

>The voice of Michaelous says, "Yea."
>The voice of Michaelous says, "Super weighted."

The voice of Michaelous says, "You cant survive it."

[Some Rogue]

You have a penalty to IQ for hanging around Michaelous. It decreases every stat and skill you have.

[Deathravin]

if you're testing redux, I'd suggest no armor, no spells and no other modifiers, and somebody with an off the shelf weapon you know the stats to.

Then test with off-the-shelf armor the same enchant

Then test with your armor.


Maybe there's a problem with your armor.

[Spooky]

I don't think its my armor. Michaelous had all types of crazy spells on, everyone you could possibly have and more. Probably some temp ones too. That may have done it...I know the maul he was swinging was off the shelf at this latest EG , no fusion orbs inside. Just a plain 4x maul.

[Spooky]

Level 65 now, over fully tripled in PT. But now I have 29% redux! Amazing!
I had up major protection too (along with SWCP already on the armor)
Michaelous swings a tanik-hafted smoky glaes sledgehammer at you!
AS: +436 vs DS: +233 with AvD: +36 + d100 roll: +34 = +273
... and hits for 42 points of damage!
Solid blow gouges a chunk out of your left leg.
You are stunned for 1 rounds!
29.88%

173 * .3 = 51.9
8 = 59.9

1 - (42/59.9)

[Spooky]

More shots...are we sure .3 is the correct DF of a maul? Seems wacky sometimes, quite a bit off.

Michaelous killed me too...

Michaelous swings a tanik-hafted smoky glaes sledgehammer at you!
AS: +337 vs DS: +203 with AvD: +36 + d100 roll: +90 = +260
... and hits for 25 points of damage!
Bones in right arm crack.
* Critical Rank = Truncate[ ( (Endroll - 100) * Damage Factor - Padding Points + Weapon Weighting ) / Critical Divisor ]

160 * . 3 = 48 - 0 + 0 /11
Max 4 (no padding:
Min 2 (Same)

with padding:
(48 - 6 /11)
max 3
Min 2 (rounded up)

In this instance, the padding COULD have helped reduce the crit rank by 1. (Max crit rank 3 instead of 4). Correct?
If so, this proves crit padding isn't useless, especially on lower AsG armor's such as full leather.




54.54%
160 * .3 = 48
total 55
1 - (25/55)

Michaelous swings a tanik-hafted smoky glaes sledgehammer at you!
AS: +347 vs DS: +204 with AvD: +36 + d100 roll: +73 = +252
... and hits for 22 points of damage!
You hear a buzzing in your ears from that blow!
Let's try this one..
56.5%
152 * .3 = 45.6
5 = 50.6


Michaelous swings a tanik-hafted smoky glaes sledgehammer at you!
AS: +376 vs DS: +105 with AvD: +36 + d100 roll: +85 = +392
... and hits for 67 points of damage!
Hard hit shatters your weapon arm.
You are stunned for 5 rounds!
37.73%
292 * .3 = 87.6
20
total = 107.6
1 - (67/107.6)


Michaelous swings a tanik-hafted smoky glaes sledgehammer at you!
AS: +376 vs DS: +96 with AvD: +36 + d100 roll: +95 = +411
... and hits for 77 points of damage!
Spinal cord damaged by smash to the back.
37.55%
# What happened here?

311 * .3 = 93.3
+ 30
total 123.3
1 - (77/123.3)

>
Michaelous swings a tanik-hafted smoky glaes sledgehammer at you!
AS: +376 vs DS: +85 with AvD: +36 + d100 roll: +77 = +404
... and hits for 50 points of damage!
Your skull cracks in several places.
Nice breeze up there now.
You are stunned for 8 rounds!
55.0%
304 * .3 = 91.2
+ 20

= 111.2

1 - (50/111.2)

Michaelous swings a tanik-hafted smoky glaes sledgehammer at you!
AS: +376 vs DS: +89 with AvD: +36 + d100 roll: +20 = +343
... and hits for 40 points of damage!
Blow to your chest causes your heart to skip a beat.
You are stunned for 1 rounds!
54.44%
243 * .3 = 72.9
+ 15
total = 87.9

* Critical Rank = Truncate[ ( (Endroll - 100) * Damage Factor - Padding Points + Weapon Weighting ) / Critical Divisor ]

If C = critical rank, then

C = 243 * .3 - 0 + 0)/11(Crit divisor for full plate)
Max crit rank w/o padding
6
Min:
3

With padding (assuming somewhat is 6 points):
243 * .3 - 6 + 0)/11
Same:
Max 6:
Min:
3

No effect.




Michaelous swings a tanik-hafted smoky glaes sledgehammer at you!
AS: +376 vs DS: +89 with AvD: +36 + d100 roll: +81 = +404
... and hits for 50 points of damage!
Whoosh! Several ribs driven into your lungs.
55.0%
304 * .3 = 91.2
25 = 116.2
56.9%??
or...304 * .3 = 91.2
+ 20 =


all these shots are with SWCP full plate. (No HCP stacking this time)

[Spooky]

To see if crit padding effected:
* Critical Rank = Truncate[ ( (Endroll - 100) * Damage Factor - Padding Points + Weapon Weighting ) / Critical Divisor ]

(304) * .3 - 0 + 0 /11
Max crit rank w/o padding on full plate:
8 (truncated)
Min crit rank w/padding on full plate:
4

With SWCP on full plate:
* Critical Rank = Truncate[ ( (Endroll - 100) * Damage Factor - Padding Points + Weapon Weighting ) / Critical Divisor ]

304 * .3 - 6 + 0/11
Max crit rank with 6 points of padding:
7

Min crit rank then with 6 points:
4 (rounded up)

Padding did not take into effect in this instance..It looks like I took the lowest crit rank. It could've easily killed me. Incredible.


Michaelous swings a tanik-hafted smoky glaes sledgehammer at you!
AS: +376 vs DS: +85 with AvD: +36 + d100 roll: +77 = +404
... and hits for 50 points of damage!
Your skull cracks in several places.
Nice breeze up there now.
You are stunned for 8 rounds!

[Latrinsorm]

If Michaelous is using max lore Arm of the Arkati, he would get a 26% boost to his DF. If we look at, for instance:

Michaelous swings a tanik-hafted smoky glaes sledgehammer at you!
AS: +436 vs DS: +233 with AvD: +36 + d100 roll: +34 = +273
... and hits for 42 points of damage!
Solid blow gouges a chunk out of your left leg.
You are stunned for 1 rounds!
29.88%

We have 173 * .3 * 1.26 = 65.394, + 8 = 73.394, 1 - 42/73.394 = .43, which is much closer to what we would have expected. :)

[Spooky]

He's a warrior though Latrin.

He didn't have any paladin spells on.

[Latrinsorm]

Could also be CMAN Mighty Blow, which would be anywhere from 1.2 to 1.5 x DF. (At rank 5 = 1.5 multiplier, your redux would actually be .51.) He also could have used a scroll (assuming there are scrolls with 1605), or been in a paladin's group.

[Spooky]

I bet it was mighty blow...

He saw me using it ...I guess he learned it.

.51....how come it was .29? That's a huge diff.

Thanks for helping me solve this.

[Spooky]

Well just talked to him, he has 1 rank of mblow and was using it obviously. You can tell because some of the shots he didn't use..one shot has me at 17% redux. Is that even impossibe? Mblow is nasty, I didn't know it inflated the DF too.

Michaelous swings a tanik-hafted smoky glaes sledgehammer at you!
AS: +362 vs DS: +168 with AvD: +36 + d100 roll: +49 = +279
... and hits for 45 points of damage!
Right kneecap smashed into pulp.
You are knocked to the ground!
You are stunned for 3 rounds!

Michaelous swings a tanik-hafted smoky glaes sledgehammer at you!
AS: +362 vs DS: +176 with AvD: +36 + d100 roll: +84 = +306
... and hits for 29 points of damage!
You hear a buzzing in your ears from that blow!
56.58%
206 * .3 = 61.8
+ 5 -
66.8

Michaelous swings a tanik-hafted smoky glaes sledgehammer at you!
AS: +437 vs DS: +213 with AvD: +36 + d100 roll: +17 = +277
... and hits for 39 points of damage!
Left elbow smashed into a thousand pieces.
You are stunned for 2 rounds!


Michaelous swings a tanik-hafted smoky glaes sledgehammer at you!
AS: +362 vs DS: +193 with AvD: +36 + d100 roll: +79 = +284
... and hits for 41 points of damage!
Left elbow smashed into a thousand pieces.


Michaelous swings a tanik-hafted smoky glaes sledgehammer at you!
AS: +436 vs DS: +228 with AvD: +36 + d100 roll: +99 = +343
... and hits for 61 points of damage!
Hard blow breaks your femur!
You are knocked to the ground!
You are stunned for 6 rounds!


Michaelous swings a tanik-hafted smoky glaes sledgehammer at you!
AS: +437 vs DS: +159 with AvD: +36 + d100 roll: +14 = +328
... and hits for 52 points of damage!
Neck broken.
You twitch several times before dying.
17.98%


I got him back tho..
You swing a Ban Hammer at Michaelous!
AS: +556 vs DS: +351 with AvD: +38 + d100 roll: +82 = +325
... and hit for 88 points of damage!
A mighty blow cleaves a swath through Michaelous's back, taking the spine with it.

[Riltus]

To see if crit padding effected:
* Critical Rank = Truncate[ ( (Endroll - 100) * Damage Factor - Padding Points + Weapon Weighting ) / Critical Divisor ]

(304) * .3 - 0 + 0 /11
Max crit rank w/o padding on full plate:
8 (truncated)
Min crit rank w/padding on full plate:
4

With SWCP on full plate:
* Critical Rank = Truncate[ ( ( Endroll - 100) * Damage Factor - Padding Points + Weapon Weighting ) / Critical Divisor ]

304 * .3 - 6 + 0/11
Max crit rank with 6 points of padding:
7

Min crit rank then with 6 points:
4 (rounded up)

Padding did not take into effect in this instance..It looks like I took the lowest crit rank. It could've easily killed me. Incredible.
Michaelous swings a tanik-hafted smoky glaes sledgehammer at you!
AS: +376 vs DS: +85 with AvD: +36 + d100 roll: +77 = +404
... and hits for 50 points of damage!
Your skull cracks in several places.
Nice breeze up there now.
You are stunned for 8 rounds!

You're not calculating this correctly . In fact, you took the highest crit rank possible and could not have received a fatal critical. You have been excluding redux from the calculations and have not been reducing the raw damage for max crit rank determination.

[1 - (redux factor * 2/3)] * raw damage = reduced damage

I'm going to call the expression [1 - (redux facter * 2/3)] the crit damage factor. Since your redux factor is approximately .550, your crit damage factor is .633
--------------------------------------------------------------

Michaelous swings a tanik-hafted smoky glaes sledgehammer at you!
AS: +376 vs DS: +85 with AvD: +36 + d100 roll: +77 = +404
... and hits for 50 points of damage!
Your skull cracks in several places.

Raw damage: 91.2 (304 * .300)
Crit damage factor: .633
Reduced damage: 57.7 ( raw damage * crit damage factor)
Crit padding: 6 (SWCP)
Total damage for max crit rank determination: 51.7 (reduced damage - crit padding)
Maximum crit rank w/redux and padding: 4 [trunc (51.7 / 11)
Actual crit rank: 4

Maximum crit rank w/o padding: 5 [trunc (57.7 / 11)
-----------------------------------------------------------

A lesser minotaur swings a curved silvery white greataxe at you!
AS: +376 vs DS: +110 with AvD: +32 + d100 roll: +76 = +374
... and hits for 33 points of damage!
Blow raises a welt on your left arm.

Raw damage: 75.35
Crit damage factor: .633
Reduced damage: 47.7 (75.35 * .633)
Crit padding: 16 (HCP + SWCP)
Total damage for crit rank determination: 31.7 (47.7 - 16)
Max crit rank: 2 [trunc (31.7 / 11)]
Actual crit rank: 1 (after randomization)

Maximum crit rank w/o padding: 4
Minimum crit rank w/o padding: 2
----------------------------------------------------------

You can continue to use this formula but you'll need a slight modification.
Maximum Critical Rank = Trunc[(( Endroll - 100) * Damage Factor) - Padding Points + Weapon Weighting ) / Critical Divisor]

You have to reduce the damage factor.
Damage factor * [1 - (redux factor * 2/3)] and we already know that with 55% redux [1 - (redux factor * 2/3)] = .633 so you would end up with

Maximum Critical Rank = Trunc[((Endroll - 100) * DF * .633) - Padding Points + Weapon Weighting ) / Critical Divisor ]


Mark

[Spooky]

Thanks Mark. I will study this and master it.

Goes to show that even somewhat padding (5-6) ponts can indeed make a difference by at least one crit rank. Good to know. So much for it being useless...I've had some people tell me that. I think all padding helps.

Thanks

[Riltus]

One more thing. You have approximately 55% redux for all attacks if MBLOW increased the weapon DF from .300 to .450

Michaelous swings a tanik-hafted smoky glaes sledgehammer at you!
AS: +362 vs DS: +168 with AvD: +36 + d100 roll: +49 = +279
... and hits for 45 points of damage!
Right kneecap smashed into pulp.

DF: .450
Raw: 80.55
Crit: 17
Total: 97.55
Redux factor: .538 (45/97.55)

AS: +437 vs DS: +213 with AvD: +36 + d100 roll: +17 = +277
... and hits for 39 points of damage!
Left elbow smashed into a thousand pieces.

DF: .450
Raw: 79.65
Crit: 10
Total damage: 89.65
Redux factor: .565 (39/89.65)

AS: +436 vs DS: +228 with AvD: +36 + d100 roll: +99 = +343
... and hits for 61 points of damage!
Hard blow breaks your femur!

DF: .450
Raw: 109.35
Crit: 25
Total damage: 134.35
Redux factor: .546 (61/134.35)

AS: +437 vs DS: +159 with AvD: +36 + d100 roll: +14 = +328
... and hits for 52 points of damage!
Neck broken.

DF: .450
Raw: 102.5
Crit: 15
Total damage: 117.5
Redux factor: .557 (52/117.5)

Mark

[Spooky]

Thanks Mark. Is this correct? Oh, it looks like the padding may have reduced the crit from a rank 6 to a rank 5 if it would've randomized that far.

Thanks.

Maximum Critical Rank = Trunc[((Endroll - 100) * DF * .633) - Padding Points + Weapon Weighting ) / Critical Divisor ]

A Grimswarm troll warrior thrusts with an awl-pike at you!
AS: +421 vs DS: +214 with AvD: +32 + d100 roll: +98 = +337
... and hits for 47 points of damage!
Your stomach is ripped open by a mighty blow!
You are stunned for 3 rounds!
Trunc [ ( 337 - 100) * .450 * .633) - 6/11
Trunc [(237) * .450 * .633) - 6/11
Trunc [
Result (truncuated): Max crit rank with padding 5
Min with padding: 3 (rounded up)

(Raw damage is 67.50945 before crit padding phantom damage is subtracted)
67.50945/11 (Crit divisor of full plate)
6.137..
Truncated = 6
Max = 6
6/2 = 3 Min


Max crit rank w/o padding:
6 (truncated)
Min crit rank w/o padding:
3

[Latrinsorm]

.51....how come it was .29? That's a huge diff. ... Mblow is nasty, I didn't know it inflated the DF too.Yes, each rank of MBLOW is a 10% increase to DF, so at rank 5 there is a 50% increase. It is the best explanation for the results we're seeing, and I trust math way more than I trust Michaelous' statement that he only has 1 rank. :)

[Spooky]

Can anyone confirm if my calculations for determinig if the padding had an effect are correct?

Thanks

[Riltus]

Can anyone confirm if my calculations for determinig if the padding had an effect are correct?

Thanks

No! You're using the wrong damage factor for the awl-pike. It's .350 not .450. I've included in this post a way for you to see how much phantom DS the padding is equivalent to when calculating maximum crit ranks, only. I'll give a quick summary now since the calculations may cause your eyes to glaze over :)

For the grimswarm attack quoted below, with your redux factor (.550) and weapon DF (.350):

SWCP armor is equal to 27 extra DS.*
HCP + SWCP is equal to 72.4 additional DS.*

*These DS values will fluctuate inversely with the weapon damage factor.

Just to give you some idea of maximum crit ranks for your character vs non-weighted weapons with varying DFs and 400 endrolls. I'll use both SWCP and SWCP + HCP


Awl-pike: Max crit rank 5 (SWCP)
Awl-pike: Max crit rank 4 (SWCP + HCP)

Maul : Max crit rank 4 (SWCP)
Maul : Max crit rank 3 (SWCP + HCP)

Flamberge: Max crit rank 3 (SWCP)
Flamberge: Max crit rank 2 (SWCP + HCP)

Mattock: Max crit rank 4 (SWCP)
Mattock: Max crit rank 3 (SWCP + HCP)

Handaxe: Max crit rank 3 (SWCP)
Handaxe: Max crit rank 2 (SWCP + HCP)

Falchion: Max crit rank: 2 (SWCP)
Falchion: Max crit rank: 1 (SWCP + HCP)

Short sword: Max crit rank: 1 (SWCP)
Short sword: Max crit rank: 1 (SWCP + HCP)


A Grimswarm troll warrior thrusts with an awl-pike at you!
AS: +421 vs DS: +214 with AvD: +32 + d100 roll: +98 = +337
... and hits for 47 points of damage!
Your stomach is ripped open by a mighty blow!

ER success margin: 237
Damage factor: .350 (awl-pike vs. plate)
Raw damage: 82.95
Crit rank: 4
Crit damage: 20
Crit padding: 6 (somewhat)
Armor crit divisor: 11 (full plate)
Redux factor: .543 [1 - (47 / 102.95)]
Crit damage factor: .633

You were a bit unlucky for two reasons. First, that the d100 roll was 98. If it had been 35 to 84 you would have had a max crit rank 3. If the d100 was 34 or less it would have been a max rank 2. Second, that the crit randomized to a rank 4. It could have just as easily randomized to a rank 2 or 3.

Maximum critical rank w/redux and padding:

(237 * .350 * .633) - 6 = 46.5
trunc (46.5 / 11) = 4
Max crit rank w/ padding = 4
Min crit rank w/ padding = 2

Maximum critical rank w/redux only (no padding):

(237 * .350 * .633) = 52.5
trunc (52.5 / 11) = 4
Max crit rank w/o padding = 4
Min crit rank w/o padding = 2

Maximum critical rank w/o redux or padding:

(237 * .350) = 82.95
trunc (82.96 / 11) = 7
Max crit rank w/o redux and padding = 7
Min crit rank w/o redux and padding = 4

The rest of this post explains crit padding's phantom damage reduction and its relationship to the endroll and DS in determining the maximum critical rank. Because of crit randomization you won't always be able to determine if the padding reduced the critical rank, but it will always have the potential to reduce it.

With a weapon damage factor of .350 and your redux factor ~.550, the 6 pts of crit padding is equal to approximately 27 endroll points. The padding's value is the same as adding those 27 points to your DS, increasing it from 214 to 241. You can determine the DS value of the somewhat crit padding using the weapon's DF with this formula:

DS = 6 / (DF * .633)

Note: It doesn't matter whether you add this value to your DS or subtract it from the endroll. It is easier to subtract it from the endroll when calculating the maximum critical rank.

Since the padding is equal to 27 phantom DS, it is also like going from 5x unpadded armor to slightly more than 10x unpadded armor. This is specific to your character and the .350 damage factor.

Maximum critical rank calculation using the reduced endroll. (337 - 27 DS) = 310 endroll (210 success margin)

(210 * .350 * .633) = 46.5 / 11 = 4

This is the same result (46.5) as the first calculation above where the 6 pts of padding was subtracted from the reduced raw damage.

(237 * .350 * .633) - 6 = 46.5

How much phantom DS would those 6 pts. of padding be worth if the weapon DF was .200?

DS = 6 / (.200 * .633)
DS = 6/ .127
DS = 47 phantom DS

With 16 pts. of padding (HCP + SWCP)

DS = 16 / (.200 * .633)
DS = 16 / .127
DS = 126 phantom DS

In other words, with a weapon DF of .200, the 16 pts. of padding are equal to a 126 point reduction of the endroll.

Mark

[Asha]

... man I love drawing with crayons!

[Spooky]

..and I thought I was good at math

I get it better now though overall,thanks.

[Spooky]

So I've not been including the crit damage factor, right?

[Riltus]

So I've not been including the crit damage factor, right?

Not the crit damage factor (.633) which is unique to your character, but the correct weapon damage factor of .350 (awl-pike vs plate) in these calculations. Except for the wrong weapon damage factor you did it correctly. The crit damage factor is a term I made up that is relative to your redux factor. Anyone who knows their redux factor can compute their own crit damage factor with this formula:

Crit damage factor = 1 - (redux factor * 2/3)

and use it in the equation for determining the max critical rank.

Maximum Critical Rank = Trunc[((Endroll - 100) * Weapon DF * Crit DF) - Padding Points + Weapon Weighting ) /Armor Critical Divisor ]



Trunc [( 337 - 100) * .450 * .633) - 6/11
Trunc [(237) * .450 * .633) - 6/11
Result (truncuated): Max crit rank with padding 5

It should be:

trunc [ (( 337 -100) * .350 * .633) - 6) / 11
trunc (( 237 * .350 * .633) - 6) /11
trunc ( 52.5 - 6 ) / 11
trunc ( 46.5 / 11 ) = Max crit rank with padding: 4

Mark

[Spooky]

Ok then. Is this correct Riltus?


A Grimswarm orc hunter swings a war mattock at you!
AS: +346 vs DS: +98 with AvD: +35 + d100 roll: +61 = +344
... and hits for 31 points of damage!
Blow leaves an imprint on your chest!

Note: How the heck did I take a rank 1? The calculations show rank 2 as minimum with padding.
57.004%
244 * .275 = 67.1
Crit dmg = 5
= 72.1
1 - (31/72.1)

Crit damage factor = 1 - (.57 * 2/3) = .62 for this hit

Maximum crit rank with padding and redux:
Maximum Critical Rank = Trunc[((Endroll - 100) * Weapon DF * Crit DF) - Padding Points + Weapon Weighting ) /Armor Critical Divisor ]
M = Trunc[(41.602 - 6 + (0))/11]
M = 3

Minimum with padding and redux:
M = 2 (round up)


Maximum crit rank with no padding but with redux:
41.602/11 (Right?)

Max = 3 Also

Min = 2

Here are the other hits:
A Grimswarm orc barbarian thrusts with a lance at you!
AS: +321 vs DS: +170 with AvD: +32 + d100 roll: +95 = +278
... and hits for 32 points of damage!
Blow to your back cracks several vertebrae.
55.73%
178 * .35 = 62.3
Crit dmg = 10
Theortical dmg = 72.3

A Grimswarm orc barbarian thrusts with a lance at you!
AS: +321 vs DS: +170 with AvD: +32 + d100 roll: +98 = +281
... and hits for 32 points of damage!
Strike pierces thigh!
You are knocked to the ground!
55.77%
181 * .35 = 63.35
Crit dmg = 9
Theortical dmg = 72.35
1 - (32/72.35)


A Grimswarm orc hunter swings a war mattock at you!
AS: +346 vs DS: +98 with AvD: +35 + d100 roll: +61 = +344
... and hits for 31 points of damage!
Blow leaves an imprint on your chest!
57.004%
244 * .275 = 67.1
Crit dmg = 5
= 72.1
1 - (31/72.1)


A Grimswarm orc hunter swings a war mattock at you!
AS: +346 vs DS: +48 with AvD: +35 + d100 roll: +23 = +356
... and hits for 36 points of damage!
Blow to your back cracks several vertebrae.
55.22%
256 * .275 = 70.4
+ 10 = 10
80.4


I also calculated for fun the awl pike with no padding at 400 end roll. Is this right?
Awl-pike at 400 end roll =
With SWCP and redux: Max 5
Min: 3

No padding:

Where M = max crit rank


Max: 6
Min: 3

I used this formula:
Maximum Critical Rank = Trunc[((Endroll - 100) * Weapon DF * Crit DF) - Padding Points + Weapon Weighting ) /Armor Critical Divisor ]
M = Trunc[((300) * .35 * .63) - (0) + (0))/11)]
M = Trunc[66.15/11]
M = Trunc[6.01363636..]
M = 6

[Spooky]

Jaeden, that'll kill me. Ambush inflates the crit weapon DF.

I have no protection against that. Please don't.

[Spooky]

Riltus, are you there? Calculations correct this time or no?

Thanks!

[Riltus]

Riltus, are you there? Calculations correct this time or no?

Thanks!

No.

You are changing the crit damage factor of .633 for each attack. Don't do that. It is a non-variable (meaning it doesn't change). It will only change if you increase your redux skill points and/or level. It is based on the average redux factor for all attacks. It is currently calculated based on your average redux factor of approximately .550 .


A Grimswarm orc hunter swings a war mattock at you!
AS: +346 vs DS: +98 with AvD: +35 + d100 roll: +61 = +344
... and hits for 31 points of damage!
Blow leaves an imprint on your chest!

Note: How the heck did I take a rank 1? The calculations show rank 2 as minimum with padding.

The reason, I suspect, that this attack resulted in a rank 1 crit is that there was additional padding not included in the calculation. This unaccounted for padding is most likely the result of your CON bonus unless you had Sigil of Major Bane active. We know that the constitution bonus provides critical padding believed to be trunc(Con bonus/4). What we don't know is how much of that padding combines with crit padded armor.

Maximum Critical Rank = Trunc[((Endroll - 100) * Weapon DF * Crit DF) - Padding Points + Weapon Weighting ) /Armor Critical Divisor ]

[(244 * .275 * .633) - 6 (SWCP) - X (CON padding)] / 11

In order to have a rank 1 outcome the reduced damage must be less than 33 which means that there is at least 4 pts. of unaccounted for padding.

M = trunc[(244 * .275 * .633) - 6 - 4)] / 11 = 32.4 /11 = 2

Mark

[Spooky]

So according to my calcuations at a 400 end roll to the head with an awl pike redux/withotu padding and with, it made no difference? I know it may have made a difference, never know for sure, but I got 6/3 in both instances.

[Riltus]

So according to my calcuations at a 400 end roll to the head with an awl pike redux/withotu padding and with, it made no difference? I know it may have made a difference, never know for sure, but I got 6/3 in both instances.

The result with padding is 5/3 and 6/3 without.

MCR w/padding = Trunc[((300) * .35 * .633) - (6) + (0))/11)] = (60 / 11) = 5

Max: 5
Min: 3

MCR w/o padding = trunc[((300) * .35 * .633) - (0) + (0))/11)] = (66 / 11) = 6

Max: 6
Min: 3

Mark