GM Izzea is Awesome

[Suppressed Poet]

Thought I'd share my experience here.

A character I created apparently had a naming issue. For my recently created bard (well he is 13 trainings when this happened...) I took the last name of a 20th century famous American writer. I won't say the name because I like to keep my character anonymous, but if you listen to him limericks in TSC you can probably figure it out.

GM Itzel sends me to the renaming booth and claimed that the name is "too modern." I disagreed and was told the only way to appeal was to email feedback and wait 1-2 weeks for a response.

I'm not sure how you feel, but I think 1-2 weeks for something simple and stupid like that is ridiculous. At that point I was a little peeved, and said to Itzel I will be quitting gemstone permanently if in 1 week I did not receive a favorable ruling on the rename appeal.

A couple days later I put in an assist request to ask if I could play in the meantime while waiting for a ruling. Again I got Itzel. She declined the request and said "At this point we are in a holding pattern." Let me tell you...after my horrid experience dealing with this woman I must say I am not a fan.

A few days later go on and fast forward to today. I want to play for something I am paying for. I put in an assist request to see if I can change my name now, and if I am successful in my appeal, have it changed back. This time I got Izzea.

Izzea explained to me that the this should have been referred to a senior GM first. Izzea apologized for me having to wait in the renaming pavilion and understood my frustration. After a quick check with a PM, they agreed my name was not disruptive and release me. In addition they gave me an RP award to make up for some of the lost time.

Kudos to Izzea for being understanding, sympathetic, and quickly addressing the problem. I really give my congratulations not because so much of the favorable ruling, but just the sheer difference in how she handled the situation.

[crb]

Your story is unsurprising to me.

[LeftOverForGood]

Steinbeck, if that's who I think your char is, should have been renamed.


added.. lol at you throwing a hissy fit.

[Merala]

Steinbeck, if that's who I think your char is, should have been renamed.

This. Especially if you were using lyrics from said poet in TSC.

[Wrathbringer]

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that Izzea -while being awesome and my favorite GM by far- isn't all that concerned with things in general being in or out of genre...

You see GameMaster Izzea the Heartbreaker.
She appears to be a Faendryl Halfling.
She is very very tiny and appears to be an adult. She has long-lashed, vivid absinthe green eyes and porcelain skin. She has shoulder-length, perfectly straight mournbloom black hair shot with slices of electric blue. She has a pretty face and voluptuous, womanly curves. She's so sweet she makes you want to eat the candy store, one two three four.
She has an intricate jade green lotus blossom tattooed on her neck.
She is in good shape.
She is holding a soft black velvet tunic lined with royal blue silk in her right hand.
She is wearing a sleek steel-hued charmeuse gown corseted by silvery ribs, a sparkly tiara of pink rhinestone hearts that spell the word 'Fabulous', a raspberry beret, a goldie looking chain, an I'd rather go naked than wear real fur coat, a GameHosts Rule badge, an I Love Icemule badge, a golden badge of awesomeness, a very expensive rolex watch, an itsy bitsy teeny weeny yellow polka dot bikini, a really hot Michael Phelps doll adorned with 8 gold medals, a pair of fitted dark blue skinny jeans, and some blue suede shoes.

[Merala]

In all fairness "technically" GMs don't exist in game. But yeah, not the most concerned about policy.

[LeftOverForGood]

GameMaster's aren't a part of the role playing environment. Never have been.

[WRoss]

All of the GMs I've run into have outfits like that. Check out Jainna next time you see her. She's a little school girl straight out of an anime film.

[Showal]

One of them used to have a Rose McGowan doll.

[WRoss]

One of them used to have a Rose McGowan doll.

Emeredan. Speaking of Rose McGowan, my friend hosted an event in DC and she was there. He got his pic on TMZ for supposedly having a fling with her. That'd be damn cool if it were true, but it isn't.

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs918.snc4/73150_544169857745_66403143_32103257_1312614_n.jpg

[subzero]

Steinbeck, if that's who I think your char is, should have been renamed.


added.. lol at you throwing a hissy fit.

There are so many names that should be renamed and aren't, I don't know why they even bother. For Christ's sake, there are people named Crime and Cannabes running around, which aren't even names in their own right, but Steinbeck is horrible, eh? Get the fuck over it.

[Showal]

There are so many names that should be renamed and aren't, I don't know why they even bother. For Christ's sake, there are people named Crime and Cannabes running around, which aren't even names in their own right, but Steinbeck is horrible, eh? Get the fuck over it.

I know. They haven't renamed my character DMX who yells while he's hunting "I JUST LOVE WHEN A NIGGA BRINGS HIS WHOLE CREW JUST A BIGGER PIECE OF CAKE FOR ME TO CHEW A HOLE THROUGH" and always asks "Where my dogs at?"

Crime and Cannabes are bad. So are people like Madmartigan Dikini or however he spells it. These names are just fucking stupid. What makes names like Steinbeck worse is when the character doesn't just have the name, but tries to recite passages the author wrote.

[SpiffyJr]

Half the names in prime are just as bad if not worse than the names in Shattered.

P.S. Itzel is generally a cunt bag so I believe it.
P.P.S I reserve the "C" word for those I really dislike.

[Merala]

GM Izzea is Awesome 10-25-2010 04:33 PM your renaming policy blows

Check it out guys, I have my own personal renaming policy.

[subzero]

What makes names like Steinbeck worse is when the character doesn't just have the name, but tries to recite passages the author wrote.


Right, cause we can be so immersed in the game and all that good stuff yet we're so powerless when it comes to filtering out this out-of-character, player knowledge. No one on Elanthia knows Steinbeck or his poems. If you can't filter it out, it's on you.

edit: I'm not mad. I just think people having an issue with the character in question are ridiculous. There are a lot better cases for you to go after if you want to be the name police.

[Archigeek]

My only advice is that if you like to recite poetry, try taking the next step and come up with your own. Find your own voice and I think you'll find that it's even more fun.

[Bobmuhthol]

No one on Elanthia knows Steinbeck or his poems. If you can't filter it out, it's on you.

Are you seriously suggesting that it's okay to have a character named Barack Obama because the characters shouldn't know who that is? Or that I should be able to talk in TSC about Alex Rodriguez winning the ALCS for the Rangers because, fuck, these characters don't even know what I'm talking about so the burden is on the players to not let it affect them?

Idiot.

[Showal]

Right, cause we can be so immersed in the game and all that good stuff yet we're so powerless when it comes to filtering out this out-of-character, player knowledge. No one on Elanthia knows Steinbeck or his poems. If you can't filter it out, it's on you.

edit: I'm not mad. I just think people having an issue with the character in question are ridiculous. There are a lot better cases for you to go after if you want to be the name police.

This point isn't really even worth arguing. For one, I don't think you truly believe we should allow out-of-genre references to be in game because others can ignore them since their characters wouldn't understand it. I don't think you think that it's ok for me to start tapping people in TSC and trying to get them to listen to me complain about my morning commute or the rush hour traffic going home. It's not ok even if most people would ignore me.

Arguing this with you would be arguing simply for the sake of arguing, because if you DO actually believe that OOC is ok because it can just be ignored, you're fucking retarded and not going to be convinced out of your retarded belief.

There may be better cases to play "naming police" with, you're right about that. That does not make Steinbeck an alright name until the rest of the shitty and out of genre names have been weeded out.

[Tgo01]

Right, cause we can be so immersed in the game and all that good stuff yet we're so powerless when it comes to filtering out this out-of-character, player knowledge.

Isn't that thought process kind of defeating the whole purpose of the rules concerning OOC talk/actions? You're basically saying it's only OOC if our characters have actual knowledge of it yet if our characters had actual knowledge of it...wow my brain hurts trying to understand this logic.

At the end of the day though the GM's and/or Simutronics have become so lax when it comes to OOC behavior I don't see why they even bother enforcing the rules at all anymore. I remember a couple of weeks back someone was talking about Psinet on the Landing thought net, yes, psinet, asking how to install it correctly. If it wasn't for the fact that I saw this particular person ask similar real world stuff out loud all the time I would just pass it off as a fluke.

[Gelston]

Isn't that thought process kind of defeating the whole purpose of the rules concerning OOC talk/actions? You're basically saying it's only OOC if our characters have actual knowledge of it yet if our characters had actual knowledge of it...wow my brain hurts trying to understand this logic.

At the end of the day though the GM's and/or Simutronics have become so lax when it comes to OOC behavior I don't see why they even bother enforcing the rules at all anymore. I remember a couple of weeks back someone was talking about Psinet on the Landing thought net, yes, psinet, asking how to install it correctly. If it wasn't for the fact that I saw this particular person ask similar real world stuff out loud all the time I would just pass it off as a fluke.

Who still actually uses psinet?

[Tgo01]

Who still actually uses psinet?

Exactly what I was thinking when I saw him asking for help

[GSKynthelig]

Who still actually uses psinet?

Someone unknowledgeable of the lich?

[subzero]

Are you seriously suggesting that it's okay to have a character named Barack Obama because the characters shouldn't know who that is? Or that I should be able to talk in TSC about Alex Rodriguez winning the ALCS for the Rangers because, fuck, these characters don't even know what I'm talking about so the burden is on the players to not let it affect them?

Idiot.

I think it's safe to say that Steinbeck's "time" has passed. I don't think Barack Obama would be an appropriate name because he's obviously a prominent figure in the world today. I wouldn't have an issue with someone just using Barack as their character name, however. Obama might be a stretch simply because here in America, we've been hearing it a lot and it certainly strikes us as being OOG, I think even more-so than Barack. Three, four years ago no one would have thought twice about seeing either of those names.

I guess my main issue is that if you're going to have a fucking policy, enforce it on EVERYONE. I could care less if they're level 300 or level 20. Bad names can get by the system simply by laying low and not being reported/seen by a GM. Hell, I had a LM box-locker-character named Brokebak for god knows how long before it finally got recognized due to a critter getting a lucky shot in as I was scripting to WL from Sol. Had he been a character I was leveling, I'd have had plenty of time to get him into the territory of "He's been here too long and amassed too many levels".

The naming policy is far too loosely enforced to make a stink over such a non-jarring, general name as Steinbeck. As we all know, the game is littered with far worse cases. My suggestion (though not needed since the GMs apparently agree) is that you guys get over it.


For one, I don't think you truly believe we should allow out-of-genre references to be in game because others can ignore them since their characters wouldn't understand it.

Someone reciting poetry is out-of-genre? If you dismiss the OOC knowledge of Steinbeck and his poetry, you are left with some dude slingin poetic verse in TSC. It's a hell of a lot easier to pass that off than, say, having someone dark skinned human running around in a suit and tie calling himself Barack Obama. Someone else made the suggestion that the guy come up with his own poetry if that's going to be his gimmick and I think that would be a far, far better solution to this issue. That should really be your aim if you are having a problem with this whole thing cause let's be honest. If the guy was named Steinbeck and doing anything and everything except reciting poetry, no one would care. Seems to me the name isn't the issue so much as the recital of real-world material. In the end, the GMs made the right call.


edit: "This is one of the more stupid statements I've seen. It's against policy, either way. - Gelston"

Seems to me that the GMs have ruled that it is not against policy, so maybe you oughta try again.

[Tgo01]

Someone reciting poetry is out-of-genre?

No. No one is even arguing anything remotely resembling that argument either.


If you dismiss the OOC knowledge of Steinbeck and his poetry, you are left with some dude slingin poetic verse in TSC.

If I dismiss all knowledge of the Oakland Raiders I am left with some dude spouting nonsense in TSC. You're really arguing that all OOC rules in this game should be ignored because our characters have no knowledge of this stuff. You're right they don't have any knowledge of it, hence why it's called Out Of Character.

[Bobmuhthol]

I've had a level 13 character have his name changed so there is no safe harbor for renaming a character based on level.

PS. The world is littered with far worse murders than the ones that occurred in the past 24 hours, so maybe we should just forgive those ones since they aren't as heinous.

[Wharde]

Steinbeck, if that's who I think your char is, should have been renamed.


added.. lol at you throwing a hissy fit.


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[Paradii]

when they make you rename your character, it's like getting a free fix skills.

[Gelston]

Right, cause we can be so immersed in the game and all that good stuff yet we're so powerless when it comes to filtering out this out-of-character, player knowledge. No one on Elanthia knows Steinbeck or his poems. If you can't filter it out, it's on you.

edit: I'm not mad. I just think people having an issue with the character in question are ridiculous. There are a lot better cases for you to go after if you want to be the name police.

I was referring to spouting OOC poems and such as being against policy. The name is too, but they looked elsewhere for it. Itzel was correct, but Izzea was nice.

[Jhynnifer]

Whenever I see a name that is either a shitty spelling of a real name, or a name like Cerveza or Cannebes, Lovable or Inurtia I really just pretend they're not even there. I can't fathom that people with any common sense could possibly choose to name their character something that fucking retarded and I refuse to associate with them.

Naming yourself after a poet and then spouting off his poetry in TSC? You are fucking terrible and if I was Itzel I'd of made sure you sat that in that renaming pavilion until you either unsubscribed or changed it. You're lucky Izzea was nice. Much as I don't agree with Itzel, I totally side with her on this one.

[Tolwynn]

Roll up a guy, name him Tourettes, and spend all your time calling Steinbeck a fucking douchebag cockgobbler. All in good fun, and who's going to get an obscure medical reference, anyway?

[crb]

Itzel when doing an illistim event put a sign that had lines from the movie Fight Club.

I think she lacks the highground to complain about Steinbeck's poetry. Seriously. Fight Club.

[Bobmuhthol]

To be fair, more people have heard of John Steinbeck than Chuck Palahniuk, so it's okay.

[subzero]

If I dismiss all knowledge of the Oakland Raiders I am left with some dude spouting nonsense in TSC. You're really arguing that all OOC rules in this game should be ignored because our characters have no knowledge of this stuff. You're right they don't have any knowledge of it, hence why it's called Out Of Character.

Look, the issue here is the potential renaming of a character. If the guy was named Rantil and was reciting the same things as the Steinbeck character, would anyone have sought to rename Rantil? No. Maybe they'd have had an issue with the stuff being said, but that has nothing to do with the character's name. I also find it highly unlikely that anyone would have sought a name change for the Steinbeck character had his poetry been the character's own, original work. The OOC link just wouldn't be there unless you like to believe that only one person has ever held the Steinbeck name.

If the fact that a guy named Steinbeck wrote things that people remember the name by is enough to rename or otherwise prevent people from using such names in-game, we're fucked. In authors alone, we could strip tons and tons of names from use simply because someone somewhere read something that was published by one of those authors. Toss in the names of actors, atheltes, directors, etc, etc and you can pretty much eliminate any name that isn't pure gibberish.

I'm not arguing against all OOC chats and activity. I just don't agree with someone trying to twist player knowledge of a situation like this to force a rename. I simply don't believe it would have ever been an issue if the Steinbeck character had been reciting original poetry. It just happened that the link between the name and specific verse was too strong and caused an issue (likely to only a very limited number of people). Without the recital, the name is fine. Without player knowledge of the fact that a dude named Steinbeck wrote some shit (as I said before, if that is grounds for renaming or preventing names from being used, well, say hi to all the new Xingslih's and Rsthethl's you'll be seeing around. Have fun with that), the name is fine. If the character were named John Steinbeck, we'd have an issue.

[Drunken Durfin]

I stumbled into a bookstore in Berkeley about 8 years ago and he was there doing a signing. When he started talking about Fight Club I resisted the urge to pipe up and say he was breaking rule one.

[subzero]

I was referring to spouting OOC poems and such as being against policy. The name is too, but they looked elsewhere for it. Itzel was correct, but Izzea was nice.

The point I'm trying to make here is that the issue isn't the character name, but the specific poetry that was recited. You can't rename someone because they said something OOC, which is what some people are going for here. They're making that link between the poetry and this guy's name and using that as grounds to eliminate said name. You'll be REAL short on potential names if we go that route. If my name is anywhere close to a sport announcer's and I say, "Boom! What a hit!" or "Wow, that was impressive" after smashing something's face in with a mace, should I be renamed because I'm trying to be John Madden or Chris Collinsworth? Nope. Why? Because the name isn't the issue. If a character were running around using those lines as his gimmick, it's the behavior that is the problem. You don't fix behavioral issues by renaming characters.

[Bobmuhthol]

There are still others that think Steinbeck should always be renamed, so your argument is entirely invalid.

[subzero]

There are still others that think Steinbeck should always be renamed, so your argument is entirely invalid.

And at that point we'd go back to having to rename and prevent the use of a LOT of character names because they share the same name as some other well-known person. Do you really want to eliminate any and all names that might possibly be known well enough to people? It can be enough as it is trying to find some plausible, non-gibberish name in a game that has been around as long as this has. I really don't think anyone wants to nuke the sheer number of names that would need to be nuked in order to preserve this whole silly idea that if one famous person ever held a name, it should be locked down. We're looking at quite the task. We're not even considering whole names here. Any first or last name that someone well-known has ever held is against policy and unable to be used according to you guys and it apparently doesn't even matter "where" the name is applied (George is forbidden because we've had two Presidents named George Bush. Rodriguez is also forbidden because there's a famous baseball played named Alex Rodriguez. Fuckin stupid, huh?).

What is entirely invalid is this debate, because the ruling is in. Steinbeck is not against policy.

[Tgo01]

Look, the issue here is the potential renaming of a character. If the guy was named Rantil and was reciting the same things as the Steinbeck character, would anyone have sought to rename Rantil? No.

I think you're merging two totally different arguments into one here. Reciting the poetry itself is considered OOC and the characters name itself is considered OOC. No one is claiming that anytime someone recites real world poetry that their character should be renamed but if someone is called out for reciting said poetry and then at the same time the GM notices that their name isn't allowed then it's two totally separate actions.

The fact that someone named their character after a real poet then recited their poetry just proves that the person purposefully chose an inappropriate name on purpose.

[subzero]

Reciting the poetry itself is considered OOC and the characters name itself is considered OOC. No one is claiming that anytime someone recites real world poetry that their character should be renamed but if someone is called out for reciting said poetry and then at the same time the GM notices that their name isn't allowed then it's two totally separate actions.

I would like to direct you to the first post in this thread where you will note the following:

"Izzea explained to me that the this should have been referred to a senior GM first. Izzea apologized for me having to wait in the renaming pavilion and understood my frustration. After a quick check with a PM, they agreed my name was not disruptive and release me. In addition they gave me an RP award to make up for some of the lost time."


The fact that someone named their character after a real poet then recited their poetry just proves that the person purposefully chose an inappropriate name on purpose.

No. It proves that their actions were inappropraite. You don't teach Fluffy to not shit in the house by changing his name to Stupid.

[Tgo01]

I would like to direct you to the first post in this thread where you will note the following:

"Izzea explained to me that the this should have been referred to a senior GM first. Izzea apologized for me having to wait in the renaming pavilion and understood my frustration. After a quick check with a PM, they agreed my name was not disruptive and release me. In addition they gave me an RP award to make up for some of the lost time."

Yeah, that's sort of what almost everyone but you is saying in this thread, that the name should have been changed anyways regardless of poetry being recited. Just because the GM's have decided to almost completely ignore their own policy lately doesn't mean their decision was correct.


No. It proves that their actions were inappropraite. You don't teach Fluffy to not shit in the house by changing his name to Stupid.

...Are you really just looking for any reason to argue now? Stop using the final result of this outcome as the backbone of your argument. "I'm right and you're wrong because the GM's said so!" Yeah but that's not the point. Abortion is legal in the US does that mean any debate on the subject can be summed up by saying "Yeah well abortion is legal so STFU and eat a dick!"?

[Ramrod]

What is entirely invalid is this debate, because the ruling is in. Steinbeck is not against policy.

No, it's against policy (See naming policy below). They just didn't enforce the policy. It makes you no less of a fucktard though. Congrats, now people will choose not to interact with your character based solely on your stupid fucking name. Players won't even have to sit around and wait to hear you recite poetry; they'll avoid you before it even goes that far.

GemStone IV Player Policy: Character Names

The following guidelines are in place to ensure a high level of consistency among the names of the adventurers within our community. Players consistently creating names that violate the guidelines may be formally warned or face suspension of playing privileges.

- Vulgarity of any sort will not be allowed.
- Racist or racist related terms are clearly unacceptable. (Klan, Towelhead)
- Names clearly in bad taste will not be allowed. (Lykmi Pihole or Monkeyspanker)
- Names of well-known historical or religious figures. (Hitler, God, St. Peter, Gandhi)
- Copyrighted or trademarked names. (Nintendo, Lucasfilm, Chevy)
- Famous Out-of-genre literary figures or well-known literary terms. (Buck Rogers, Chewy Bacca)
- Names taken from movies, cartoons or video games.
- Technology based names. (Laserbrain, Jetfighter, Mouseclicker)

- Names of current or past well-known personalities. (Madonna, Goldberg, Cronkite)

- Garbage names. (xxbdgscy , yyyzzz)
- Names with repetitive letters. Two may be allowed, three will not. (xxfredxx, Ghannndalf, Marrrisa)
- Phrases. (Ima toasteroven, Worldsgreatest Treeclimber)
- Names with titles in them. (Knight Blackness, Mistress Bombshell)
- Silly or out of genre names. (Frogeater Tongueodeath, Bumblebee Tunahead)
- Names created specifically to mock current players.
- Names too similar to names of Staff members or NPCs in game.
- Odd punctuation or capitalization. (Fragel DeLYon)

[Donquix]

If you merely chose the name Steinbeck, I can see letting that go. It's pretty lame for prime, but whatever.

If you occasionally recite his work when appropriate, that's fine. I don't have a problem with using out of game quotations that can be taken in context of the game. We don't have a collected body of Elanthian prose to draw from so you can fill in the gaps with out of game inspiration.

If you name your character Steinbeck and base your entire "roleplay" on sitting in public places reciting his work, you are a fucking dipshit.

Making the argument that "his time has passed" is ludicrous. Grapes of Wrath and Of Mice and Men (no matter how you feel about them on a personal level) are classics. They are still on required reading lists of hundreds if not thousands of high schools and colleges in English speaking countries.

So in short, Izzea is being far nicer than you deserve in this instance.

It's sad that I have to tell you this. I play shattered. For all you know my name is Dickcheese McCockgobler and I have to take the high road giving you feedback on your character name.

[phantasm]

I think this name is fine and fully support GM Izzea. She was very helpful when I first started and got sent to the naming pavillion. I was already to level 15 and something I did in there caused my character to be retired and back to level 0. She responded and restored the character promptly. Thanks to her simutronics has made much money off of me.

[subzero]

Yeah, that's sort of what almost everyone but you is saying in this thread, that the name should have been changed anyways regardless of poetry being recited. Just because the GM's have decided to almost completely ignore their own policy lately doesn't mean their decision was correct.


Metoer - He simply swapped two letters to avoid the name being Meteor. He IS a wizard. Real shock when I profile'd him, let me tell ya.

Peepers - an obvious reference to eyes or eyeglasses. Jeepers creepers where'd ya get those peepers? I think of that song any time I hear "peepers". I may be wrong, but I don't think they let people name themselves after body parts these days.

Maetriks - a misspelling of matrix. Completely silly name to begin with, but I just can't help but to think about Neo and those damned movies...

Risky - do I need to explain?

Suntzhu - Sun Tzu. Art of War. Get. The. Fuck. Out.

Yaps - Shut your yap, fool!

Frederiko - I'm sure there's a famous Frederico/Frederiko somewhere... yup: Fellini "was an Italian film director. Known for a distinct style that blends fantasy and baroque images, he is considered one of the most influential and widely revered filmmakers of the 20th century." To the rename pavillion with you, sucka!

Juxtaposition - another that should need no explaination.

Dispayr - Despair, really?

Lawst - Heard it was a good TV show.

Bijou - Phillips?

Lusifero - Lucifer. Original.

Pulsegiver - "Names should not be phrases, nicknames or 'handles': Examples: Imsocool, Johnman, Foxylady, Daveboy, SuperCilious, and Mightykiller."

Darqwolf - Darkwolf; see above

Darckwizard - Darkwizard; see above

Soullslayur - you get the point

Wolfloner - Lonewolf; see above

Tryptomene - the name of a font?

Dread - ...

Skruf - Scruff. Didn't they end up making a cartoon character named Scruffy?

Logun - Logan. Wolverine's name. Seat's taken, stupid!

Kanyda - Canada, seriously?

Snubwick - phrase, again.

Hadya - Damn, I almost had ya.

Demyse - Demise.

Mercyiox - Mercy... "Names should not contain odd punctuation, numbers, or extra letters. Examples: Timmmy, Xxkillerxx, Kill~Deer, Smasher2, Daaave Joonnnes."

Bizarro - yeah.

Astrix - *

Felisity - Felicity; wasn't that a TV show or the main character on a TV show? Time to hit the rename lounge, baby!

Ekho - ECHO, ECHo, ECho, Echo, echo, ec....

Darknick - fail

Moredin - could technically fall under phrases... din probably isn't used enough these days for it to apply though.

Gnimble - Jack be nimble, Jack be quick. Jack not be a gnome, however!

Kolts - So, you like Indy or just horses in general?

Ramadon - Ramadan. Yeah, I don't think I could get away with Christmas either.

Ohnus - Onus. At least I'm assuming he meant Onus and not Ownus. Upon profiling him, I do see that he is, as feared, a dark elf rogue. Maybe he's a racist prick. Either way, that name needs to go!

Loveable - Laughable.

Heyesduel - phrase

Shize - I really can't imagine this person wasn't thinking "scheisse", aka shit in German. Amazed at how such things slip through!

Farseeker - phrase

Marionetta - clever. Your in-game avatar is indeed very much like a digital marionette

Ghrumbles - he logged off, but I'd bet he is a dwarven character. Can't imagine why I'd think that.

Img - L o L

Fireback - phrase yet again

Faiyth - Faith Hill? Or maybe religious faith. Can't decide. She's probably a cleric, but bard would be my second choice, obviously.

Zodin - Odin with a z!

Rumproast - your name is toast!

Steryle - Hope you weren't wanting kids.

Warmax - get this... he's a warrior. Yet another shocker.

Greys - Anatomy anyone?

Ignito - yeah, he's a wizard. Anyone wanna bet against him being trained in fire lore?

Speelgutz - this guy loves to spill guts all over the place.

Fleurs - his name is Flowers. Really. It's Flowers.

Hither - come hither, for I am forced to rename ye!

Seeazan - "There is a season - turn, turn, turn" interestingly enough, the last name of the guy that wrote the song is Seeger.

Rarr - fuckin furries.

Slocan - Slogan.

Earthdiver - phrases are popular. Too bad they're against policy.

Kakoon - Cacoon; heard it was a good movie

Payme - he fails at more than just naming a character


These are all characters who were logged in recently when I typed who full. They account for 60 of the ~250-300 people logged in. Can you truly not see where things would be heading if we were to get overzealous with this? Maybe, just maybe, the GMs saw it and decided to relax a bit on the name policy that is fairly old and restrictive. That's not to say that some, or even most, of those shouldn't go, but if you do some, you need to get'em all.


...Are you really just looking for any reason to argue now? Stop using the final result of this outcome as the backbone of your argument. "I'm right and you're wrong because the GM's said so!" Yeah but that's not the point. Abortion is legal in the US does that mean any debate on the subject can be summed up by saying "Yeah well abortion is legal so STFU and eat a dick!"?

When they force Suntzhu to rename, I'll agree with you that Steinbeck should be renamed. Neither is gonna happen, though, because it would just start a huge snowball effect and piss off a lot of people for no good reason.


Congrats, now people will choose not to interact with your character based solely on your stupid fucking name. Players won't even have to sit around and wait to hear you recite poetry; they'll avoid you before it even goes that far.

Heh. It's not my character. Since the conversion to GS4, I've barely played prime. Main went from like 79-84, rogue from ~20-45 via LM, and I got an empath to 25. Feel free to avoid me all you want in Shattered, though, I could care less. I do, however, doubt that many people will avoid the character because of his name. It really isn't that bad.

I'm just here because I'm absolutely bored as hell. Get to be the family "nurse" this week at the grandparents thanks to a temporary layoff turning into a permanent one a couple weeks ago.

[phantasm]

Metoer - He simply swapped two letters to avoid the name being Meteor. He IS a wizard. Real shock when I profile'd him, let me tell ya.

Peepers - an obvious reference to eyes or eyeglasses. Jeepers creepers where'd ya get those peepers? I think of that song any time I hear "peepers". I may be wrong, but I don't think they let people name themselves after body parts these days.

Maetriks - a misspelling of matrix. Completely silly name to begin with, but I just can't help but to think about Neo and those damned movies...

Risky - do I need to explain?

Suntzhu - Sun Tzu. Art of War. Get. The. Fuck. Out.

Yaps - Shut your yap, fool!

Frederiko - I'm sure there's a famous Frederico/Frederiko somewhere... yup: Fellini "was an Italian film director. Known for a distinct style that blends fantasy and baroque images, he is considered one of the most influential and widely revered filmmakers of the 20th century." To the rename pavillion with you, sucka!

Juxtaposition - another that should need no explaination.

Dispayr - Despair, really?

Lawst - Heard it was a good TV show.

Bijou - Phillips?

Lusifero - Lucifer. Original.

Pulsegiver - "Names should not be phrases, nicknames or 'handles': Examples: Imsocool, Johnman, Foxylady, Daveboy, SuperCilious, and Mightykiller."

Darqwolf - Darkwolf; see above

Darckwizard - Darkwizard; see above

Soullslayur - you get the point

Wolfloner - Lonewolf; see above

Tryptomene - the name of a font?

Dread - ...

Skruf - Scruff. Didn't they end up making a cartoon character named Scruffy?

Logun - Logan. Wolverine's name. Seat's taken, stupid!

Kanyda - Canada, seriously?

Snubwick - phrase, again.

Hadya - Damn, I almost had ya.

Demyse - Demise.

Mercyiox - Mercy... "Names should not contain odd punctuation, numbers, or extra letters. Examples: Timmmy, Xxkillerxx, Kill~Deer, Smasher2, Daaave Joonnnes."

Bizarro - yeah.

Astrix - *

Felisity - Felicity; wasn't that a TV show or the main character on a TV show? Time to hit the rename lounge, baby!

Ekho - ECHO, ECHo, ECho, Echo, echo, ec....

Darknick - fail

Moredin - could technically fall under phrases... din probably isn't used enough these days for it to apply though.

Gnimble - Jack be nimble, Jack be quick. Jack not be a gnome, however!

Kolts - So, you like Indy or just horses in general?

Ramadon - Ramadan. Yeah, I don't think I could get away with Christmas either.

Ohnus - Onus. At least I'm assuming he meant Onus and not Ownus. Upon profiling him, I do see that he is, as feared, a dark elf rogue. Maybe he's a racist prick. Either way, that name needs to go!

Loveable - Laughable.

Heyesduel - phrase

Shize - I really can't imagine this person wasn't thinking "scheisse", aka shit in German. Amazed at how such things slip through!

Farseeker - phrase

Marionetta - clever. Your in-game avatar is indeed very much like a digital marionette

Ghrumbles - he logged off, but I'd bet he is a dwarven character. Can't imagine why I'd think that.

Img - L o L

Fireback - phrase yet again

Faiyth - Faith Hill? Or maybe religious faith. Can't decide. She's probably a cleric, but bard would be my second choice, obviously.

Zodin - Odin with a z!

Rumproast - your name is toast!

Steryle - Hope you weren't wanting kids.

Warmax - get this... he's a warrior. Yet another shocker.

Greys - Anatomy anyone?

Ignito - yeah, he's a wizard. Anyone wanna bet against him being trained in fire lore?

Speelgutz - this guy loves to spill guts all over the place.

Fleurs - his name is Flowers. Really. It's Flowers.

Hither - come hither, for I am forced to rename ye!

Seeazan - "There is a season - turn, turn, turn" interestingly enough, the last name of the guy that wrote the song is Seeger.

Rarr - fuckin furries.

Slocan - Slogan.

Earthdiver - phrases are popular. Too bad they're against policy.

Kakoon - Cacoon; heard it was a good movie

Payme - he fails at more than just naming a character


These are all characters who were logged in recently when I typed who full. They account for 60 of the ~250-300 people logged in. Can you truly not see where things would be heading if we were to get overzealous with this? Maybe, just maybe, the GMs saw it and decided to relax a bit on the name policy that is fairly old and restrictive. That's not to say that some, or even most, of those shouldn't go, but if you do some, you need to get'em all.



When they force Suntzhu to rename, I'll agree with you that Steinbeck should be renamed. Neither is gonna happen, though, because it would just start a huge snowball effect and piss off a lot of people for no good reason.



Heh. It's not my character. Since the conversion to GS4, I've barely played prime. Main went from like 79-84, rogue from ~20-45 via LM, and I got an empath to 25. Feel free to avoid me all you want in Shattered, though, I could care less. I do, however, doubt that many people will avoid the character because of his name. It really isn't that bad.

I'm just here because I'm absolutely bored as hell. Get to be the family "nurse" this week at the grandparents thanks to a temporary layoff turning into a permanent one a couple weeks ago.

Your post wad going good until I read the part about bathing your grandparents.

[ViridianAsp]

Hadya - Damn, I almost had ya.


Hadya is a real name, as in a middle eastern woman's name. Pronounced (Haw-dee-uh)

Origin:


Arabic

Meaning:


Religious guide

I actually picked this name because of it's meaning. It isn't my fault you aren't well versed in names.

[subzero]

Hadya - Damn, I almost had ya.


Hadya is a real name, as in a middle eastern woman's name. Pronounced (Haw-dee-uh)

Origin:


Arabic

Meaning:


Religious guide

I actually picked this name because of it's meaning. It isn't my fault you aren't well versed in names.

Ya know, I mostly just tossed that one in there on a whim. The whole "had ya" thing was a stretch, but if we're gonna be nitpicky, I figured why not? We aren't in the middle-east afterall and that isn't exactly in genre, but damnit! The name police demand justice and change and stuff.

[Gelston]

Yes, there are lots of bad names. That still doesn't mean that the policy should be ignored. Those names made it through, either by being grandfathered or just weren't caught.

The biggest issue is that you, or whoever the fuck that guy is, made a name about a poet and quotes that poet's poetry constantly. In essence you are RPing that you are him. If I made a character named Hitler and started spouting out that I wanted to kill jews in TSC all day, that wouldn't be acceptable either.

And no, don't say Steinbeck is an obscure poet, because he was taught in my High School. And I'm from Louisiana which isn't known for being on the forefront of public school education.

[Donquix]

While a LOT of those need to be changed just because they're idiotic, many don't violate the naming policy.

For one, you listed a bunch that are a stretch to begin with. (Slocan to slogan? really?)

And a whole bunch you have as "phrases", when they aren't really. Combining two words together is actually fine, i.e. Spiritwolf (just pulling one off the top of my head) But "Spiritwolf Theleaderofthepack" is bad.

You're also failing to connect the behavior with the naming choice.

Logan is indeed Wolverine's real name...but it's also a relatively common name, in general. Someone named "Logan" isn't a problem. Someone named "Logan" running around with tiger-claws in TSC screaming "BERSERKER BARRAGE!" and talking about killing giant robot Sentinels clearly indicates a problem.

[Tolwynn]

A lot of people speed, which is also breaking a rule.

If you're doing 5 over, it's probably not going to be worth the police's time to do anything about it.

If you do 120 in a 30 school zone, would you honestly be surprised about getting hauled down and then cry like a little bitch about it?

Pretty much the same here, Steinbeck alone might have flown.

But to take the name and then recite works by that person of that name in one of the most crowded areas in game? OMG, whyyyyy are they picking on meeeeee?

And for all the people who love to say GMs like Itzel suck, where do you think they get the fortress mentality from in the first place? Big hint: having to deal with an endless flow of bullshit from self-important douchenozzles goes a LONG way towards it.

[subzero]

The biggest issue is that you, or whoever the fuck that guy is, made a name about a poet and quotes that poet's poetry constantly. In essence you are RPing that you are him. If I made a character named Hitler and started spouting out that I wanted to kill jews in TSC all day, that wouldn't be acceptable either.


Logan is indeed Wolverine's real name...but it's also a relatively common name, in general. Someone named "Logan" isn't a problem. Someone named "Logan" running around with tiger-claws in TSC screaming "BERSERKER BARRAGE!" and talking about killing giant robot Sentinels clearly indicates a problem.


Good. Thats out of the way, finally. We're back to not potty training the dog by changing it's name from Fluffy to Stupid, which is what started this whole topic. Someone reported Steinbeck because he was reciting poetry and they made the connection between action and name. Take either action or name from the situation and no one notices or cares.

[Donquix]

Good. Thats out of the way, finally. We're back to not potty training the dog by changing it's name from Fluffy to Stupid, which is what started this whole topic. Someone reported Steinbeck because he was reciting poetry and they made the connection between action and name. Take either action or name from the situation and no one notices or cares.

Honest to god I don't know how you dress yourself in the morning. You are that fucking stupid.

Yes. I suppose if we completely fucking ignore everything that's wrong with the character, nothing is wrong.

[audioserf]

There is a mid-level character in Prime named "Redhairpick".

Any stupid name argument has to begin and end with that character.

Seriously. Redhairpick. LOL

[Bobmuhthol]

Jose Illegal is walking down the street punching everyone he sees in the face. Joe Legal sees this, calls the police, and Jose Illegal is arrested. Since Jose Illegal is a filthy, illegal immigrant, he is also deported. HOWEVER THERE ARE INSTANCES WHERE ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS ARE NOT DEPORTED AND PEOPLE DON'T ALWAYS GET ARRESTED FOR PUNCHING SOMEONE IN THE FACE. THE ONLY REASON JOSE ILLEGAL WAS ARRESTED IS BECAUSE HE DID TWO WRONG THINGS AT ONCE. EVERYONE WOULD LOOK THE OTHER WAY IF HE WAS ONLY DOING ONE WRONG THING BECAUSE IT IS OKAY TO DO THAT BUT YOU ALL ARE SUCH SHEEP THAT YOU INSTANTLY MAKE THE CONNECTION AND DECIDE TO TAKE ACTION AGAINST SOMEONE THE SECOND TWO WRONGS ARE COMMITTED SIMULTANEOUSLY.

[crb]

There is a character named AynRandLies

Even if we're allowing authors of literature from the 20th century, we should probably draw the line at complete sentences about those authors being used as a firstname.

Fitzgeraldwasahomo just went west.

[Tgo01]

Good. Thats out of the way, finally. We're back to not potty training the dog by changing it's name from Fluffy to Stupid

I really want to test this theory out. I wonder if you would stop making stupid comments if everyone here referred to you as stupid.

[kookiegod]

Izzea is awesome...

And Itzel...

And Bazar...

And Isten...

And Sirinia...

That Oscuro guy...and Estild..and...

Heh, ok, I'd just name them all, they do go work.

~Paul

p.s. there was no point to this post...

p.p.s . - ok, ok, that other Jeff guy too, he'll know as do I shot of Jack for him :)

[subzero]

I really want to test this theory out. I wonder if you would stop making stupid comments if everyone here referred to you as stupid.

I'd be absolutely crushed. Prz don't be calling me stoopid.

[DaCapn]

I'd be absolutely crushed. Prz don't be calling me stoopid.

Just wanted to say thanks for learning to use the quote button. All of the obvious faults in your arguments have already been pointed out.

[Suppressed Poet]

I appreciate your opinions for those thinking I should have been renamed. I do, however, respectfully disagree.

And no, I have never used lyrics from said poet. Most of the limericks I do are of my own cration, though I have used some anonymous funny ones here and there.

Steinbeck in itself is not an out-of-genre name. It has existed since the fifth century of German descent. If I had used JSteinbeck or Johnsteinbeck, Id agree that is different.

Wayne is a common name and I would hold to reason that there is nothing wrong with it. Just because some ass clown calls himself 'Lil Wayne, is that now too modern? - No offense to any fans out there.

I suppose I did throw a hissy fit, but there are many worse names out there. To all those that badnamed me, I see your point and hold no grudges. Again though, there are much worse names running around in Prime.

GMs are not held to the same rules in keeping to games genre. Izzea did admit she is not as strict on that policy. I really liked her "if you liked it then you shoulda put a *ring* on it."

[Suppressed Poet]

Correct cration to creation please. Sorry for the typo.

[Showal]

"if you liked it then you shoulda put a *ring* on it."

That just happened.

[Suppressed Poet]

On another note - I don't know who came up with the idea that I was reciting John Steinbeck's poetry but that is not the case. I tend to write limericks and most them are my own creations (I admit using some funny ones I have read here and there from anonymous authors). You can give me a bad rep all you want but please do not accuse me of reciting his poetry.

I did name my character after him in tribute, but I do not role-play to be John Steinbeck. The name is admittedly a grey area as it comes to policy. Again, I respect your opinion to those that disagree, but to use profanity and accuse me of reciting his work in TSC is both insulting and disgraceful.

10-28-2010 02:44 PM That's what the edit button is for, moron. ---I am new to these forums and wasn't aware of that. To the person who wrote this: Why don't you get back to beating off to your mom's picture and leave me the f*ck alone you insolent bastard.

[Suppressed Poet]

I received a formal response after the fact from feedback. To end the debate:

The SGMs, Head of IFE games and I agree with you. Now if you start doing scenes from "Of Mice and Men" in game, we'll promptly stop agreeing with you (that's using the name to be disruptive). But the bottom line is, you're right. If your character's name is Harry, that's no problem. If your character's name is Harry Potter, that's a different story (literally).

The SGMs and Head agreed before I did, so me agreeing is superfluous, but there are some little detail things that it's part of my job to toss in.

Have fun out there!
--
GameMaster XXXX (Ill keep this person anonymous)
Senior Feedback

[Merala]

10-28-2010 02:44 PM That's what the edit button is for, moron. ---I am new to these forums and wasn't aware of that. To the person who wrote this: Why don't you get back to beating off to your mom's picture and leave me the f*ck alone you insolent bastard.

Way to tell people not to swear at you and whatnot, and then swear back.

Fail.

[Showal]

Way to tell people not to swear at you and whatnot, and then swear back.

Fail.

He didn't swear ... he was quoting Steinbeck's work and pretending it was his own.

[Suppressed Poet]

Way to tell people not to swear at you and whatnot, and then swear back.

Fail.

Sorry if you got your panties in a wad...

I don't wish to curse at people but I generally respond to people in the same manner in which they treat me.

In any case, thank you everyone for your opinion and if the name Steinbeck just absolutely pisses you off...well...sorry.

[Showal]

Sorry if you got your panties in a wad...

I don't wish to curse at people but I generally respond to people in the same manner in which they treat me.

In any case, thank you everyone for your opinion and if the name Steinbeck just absolutely pisses you off...well...sorry.

Put it in limerick form.

[Suppressed Poet]

He didn't swear ... he was quoting Steinbeck's work and pretending it was his own.

Oh yes - that was a direct quote of Steinbeck.

Here is another one and I'll pretend it is my own:

Showal, an illiterate cum stain
Was lacking about half of a brain
He sucks dick for coke
His posts are a joke
And gives me bad rep in vain

[Suppressed Poet]

Put it in limerick form.

Hope you like that one. I have no desire to start a lengthy feud with you, so best of luck to you and on to the ignore list you go...

[Showal]

Oh yes - that was a direct quote of Steinbeck.

Here is another one and I'll pretend it is my own:

Showal, an illiterate cum stain
Was lacking about half of a brain
He sucks dick for coke
His posts are a joke
And gives me bad rep in vain

good one! I didn't give bad rep. I sign mine.

[subzero]

Just wanted to say thanks for learning to use the quote button. All of the obvious faults in your arguments have already been pointed out.


I quote the vast majority of the posts I respond to, dildo. When every couple post turns out to be mine, though, I tend to think it's not quite as necessary. I suppose, though, that you'll just continue to sling around that line of yours like it's some hot fire without actually knowing anything. Whatver keeps you afloat, buddeh.


Hope you like that one. I have no desire to start a lengthy feud with you, so best of luck to you and on to the ignore list you go...

You might want to try Shattered. We're the exact opposite of uptight pricks over here.

[DaCapn]

Steinbeck in itself is not an out-of-genre name. It has existed since the fifth century of German descent. If I had used JSteinbeck or Johnsteinbeck, Id agree that is different.

Wayne is a common name and I would hold to reason that there is nothing wrong with it. Just because some ass clown calls himself 'Lil Wayne, is that now too modern? - No offense to any fans out there.

Both you and subzero either don't seem to address the difference between FIRST and LAST names. If you're from some certain Spanish-speaking or Eastern European countries which have some different naming conventions than most of us are used to, I excuse you entirely from being unable to understand this distinction.

The name Robert? I've known plenty. The last name De Niro? I know of one.

(In case it wasn't obvious, you might try applying the above comment to the names "John" and "Steinbeck").

Is it that disruptive? Not really compared to many names.

Is "author John Steinbeck" the first thing that pops into the head of >90% of GS players when they see the name "Steinbeck?" Yes and it is therefor reasonable to be considered against GS naming policy. If you get pulled for it, it's totally valid.

[subzero]

Is "author John Steinbeck" the first thing that pops into the head of >90% of GS players when they see the name "Steinbeck?" Yes and it is therefor reasonable to be considered against GS naming policy. If you get pulled for it, it's totally valid.

Thanks for the leet stat. Might wanna drop that off to the people making the rulings.

[Showal]

Thanks for the leet stat. Might wanna drop that off to the people making the rulings.

Finish him.

[Suppressed Poet]

Both you and subzero either don't seem to address the difference between FIRST and LAST names. If you're from some certain Spanish-speaking or Eastern European countries which have some different naming conventions than most of us are used to, I excuse you entirely from being unable to understand this distinction.

The name Robert? I've known plenty. The last name De Niro? I know of one.

(In case it wasn't obvious, you might try applying the above comment to the names "John" and "Steinbeck").

Is it that disruptive? Not really compared to many names.

Is "author John Steinbeck" the first thing that pops into the head of >90% of GS players when they see the name "Steinbeck?" Yes and it is therefor reasonable to be considered against GS naming policy. If you get pulled for it, it's totally valid.

I would actually say I have to agree with you on most of this. It is a grey area and I respect that opinion. In any case they found it wasn't disruptive and many others also would say that it doesn't violate policy. It can be argued both ways.

[Suppressed Poet]

You might want to try Shattered. We're the exact opposite of uptight pricks over here.

I haven't tried it but have no desire at this point. I like Prime - it's cheap, I stay in character, I like the role-play, and I don't like people hunting with purple dildos. I also don't like scripting afk as I think that takes away from the game. To each there own though, and I do see the appeal for some folks in Shattered.

Thank you everyone for your opinions. I'm going to let this thread die now as it is over. :thanx:

[Suppressed Poet]

Last thing - for DaCapn:

In my example I used Wayne. Wayne can either be a first name or a last name. IE - John Wayne or Wayne Gretzky - just wanted to quickly point that out.

Steinbeck is a little tricky though. It is a common name, but really I can only think of just one person famous by it. I have never come across Steinbeck as a first name, but I'm sure there is one out there.

My original point was that Steinbeck could really mean anything. It is a fairly common name. Now, when people see my character being a bard named Steinbeck, is it the first thing that comes to mind for the majority? I would say certainly yes. Did I name my chracter in tribute after the famous author John Steinbeck? Yes - I will admit that here. However, if we couldn't name characters a common name (first or last) that have any fame attached to them than probably 99.9% of any name we think of would violate policy.

I don't roleplay to be John Steinbeck or anywhere close to that. I don't recite any of his poems nor will you find me reading scripts from 'The Pearl' or 'Of Mice and Men'. That is where it stops and the official reason it doesn't violate policy in the eyes of senior GMs.

Some people will like it and others will not. I get it and I'm ok with that. If you want 0 interaction with my character solely because of the name, well that is your business and your right. <---That's for anyone and everyone

[CrystalTears]

Steinbeck is a little tricky though. It is a common name, but really I can only think of just one person famous by it. I have never come across Steinbeck as a first name, but I'm sure there is one out there.

My original point was that Steinbeck could really mean anything. It is a fairly common name. Now, when people see my character being a bard named Steinbeck, is it the first thing that comes to mind for the majority? I would say certainly yes. Did I name my chracter in tribute after the famous author John Steinbeck? Yes - I will admit that here. However, if we couldn't name characters a common name (first or last) that have any fame attached to them than probably 99.9% of any name we think of would violate policy.You've answered your own problem. It's not so much the name. It's not so much that you're quoting poems as a bard. It's the combination of Steinbeck with a poem-singing bard. Had you played Steinbeck the warrior, no one would have cared.

Yes there are several stupid names out there that have been grandfathered in. I cannot understand why that occurred because a name against policy is a name against policy and everyone should have to abide by that, regardless of the character's level. That said, just because they exist does not mean that bad names should continue to be allowed.

What I find funny is that you're defending the name when you admit that you chose that name on purpose when you were designing your bard. You should not be amazed or taken aback by any negativity towards that decision. The GMs may have allowed your name to stay, and we all know how infallible they are, but people will still have issue with it.

[Fallen]

People commit crimes every day. Most of them get away with it. Some of them are even able to flaunt the fact that they beat the system (OJ's If I Did It for example.) None of these facts invalidate the rule of law.

[Fortybox]

You know, monks and a whole lot more spells, items, etc. would be out by now if Simutronics didn't have a policy book greater than the IRS tax rules.

Maybe we can have Obama absorb Simutronics into the government. They sure fit there sometimes.

[joehollywood]

It's not the size or complexity of simu's policy.

It's the flagrant and unapologetic nature of its inconsistant application that is the bullet they're shooting into their foot.

GMs with the attitude of "I'm right, you're wrong...here's my interpretation of policy today, even if it's contradictory to what I interpreted it as yesterday" that leaves a bad taste in one's mouth.

More to the point of the thread, I lost a backpack a couple years back near the beginning of alchemy with a glitch in the cauldron rooms. The backpack didn't have much in it, but was altered and fairly light and such.

I did an assist, dealt with a prick of a gamehost, insisted on a referral, got Izzea.

I got the line about how they couldn't replace lost stuff, etc etc.

I asked if I bought a similar pack ( the ones from the rogue guild before they got nerfed ) if she could fix it to look like the old one.

She was more than happy to.

Anyone who uses policy as a framework to try to say "yes" to a customer, will always get higher marks than someone who uses policy as an excuse to say "no"

[Donquix]

I like the role-play

I imagine the RP skillz for the bard taking a name from a famous author are astounding.

http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu330/cthulhu19887/forum/facepalm/Facepalm-2.jpg

[Fortybox]

It's not the size or complexity of simu's policy.

It's the flagrant and unapologetic nature of its inconsistant application that is the bullet they're shooting into their foot.

GMs with the attitude of "I'm right, you're wrong...here's my interpretation of policy today, even if it's contradictory to what I interpreted it as yesterday" that leaves a bad taste in one's mouth.

More to the point of the thread, I lost a backpack a couple years back near the beginning of alchemy with a glitch in the cauldron rooms. The backpack didn't have much in it, but was altered and fairly light and such.

I did an assist, dealt with a prick of a gamehost, insisted on a referral, got Izzea.

I got the line about how they couldn't replace lost stuff, etc etc.

I asked if I bought a similar pack ( the ones from the rogue guild before they got nerfed ) if she could fix it to look like the old one.

She was more than happy to.

Anyone who uses policy as a framework to try to say "yes" to a customer, will always get higher marks than someone who uses policy as an excuse to say "no"

My subtle point was that GMs could be spending more time actually improving the game instead of dealing with stupid issues like this. GM Itzel wasted resources and should be fired.

[joehollywood]

Sorry Katz...post wasn't directed at you, I read the whole thread and responded to a couple posts early/half through about how Izzea handled it.

As for the Bard, hes a shit tard...nothing wrong with the name itslef, but the combination of that and reciting his works is just absolutely dumbtastic.

As far as Itzel, yeah I agree, her...Andraste, and the other overly-empowered dumbass club should have been gone years ago. Or at least demoted to "fluff GM's" dealing with room design/RP events etc...as much as I dislike them both, they have some skill in those areas.

[Sean]

You've answered your own problem. It's not so much the name. It's not so much that you're quoting poems as a bard. It's the combination of Steinbeck with a poem-singing bard. Had you played Steinbeck the warrior, no one would have cared.

Yes there are several stupid names out there that have been grandfathered in. I cannot understand why that occurred because a name against policy is a name against policy and everyone should have to abide by that, regardless of the character's level. That said, just because they exist does not mean that bad names should continue to be allowed.

What I find funny is that you're defending the name when you admit that you chose that name on purpose when you were designing your bard. You should not be amazed or taken aback by any negativity towards that decision. The GMs may have allowed your name to stay, and we all know how infallible they are, but people will still have issue with it.

This.

I have characters named after famous Architects and Engineers (some of which are still living and creating) but I don't run around trying to be them in game. If I went around using them to critique building designs and acted like them in game I'd expect to be renamed and I'd understand why.

[HouseofElves]

As far as Itzel, yeah I agree, her...Andraste, and the other overly-empowered dumbass club should have been gone years ago. Or at least demoted to "fluff GM's" dealing with room design/RP events etc...as much as I dislike them both, they have some skill in those areas.

Itzel has worked really hard to make Illistim a town beyond just zombie power-levelers. If you haven't seen her in that capacity, attend one of the Illistim questline events.

And I heard Andraste isn't someone players have to worry about anymore, and hasn't been for a month.

[joehollywood]

I agree with Itzel and storyline stuff...I'm sorry if I didn't word that well above.

Enjoy what she's doing with the Vaalor storyline too, even if some of the mechanics with papers and whatnot are wonky.

I'm just saying that when dealing with customers, she's the perfect example of "I'm right, cause I'm in charge"

I think she's great at working on the "color" of the game, I just don't think she should have interaction with customers ( other than RPing as NPC's of course )

[DCSL]

And I heard Andraste isn't someone players have to worry about anymore, and hasn't been for a month.

I would just like to highlight this portion of her post to underline its importance.

[joehollywood]

I've been gone for almost a year up untill the last week or so,...I want a link!!!

What'd I miss on this one? And why wasn't I invited to the party?

[Lumi]

Steinbeck == bad name. Anyone who sees that name and doesn't immediately think "author John Steinbeck, of The Grapes of Wrath and Of Mice and Men fame", is either still in grade school or PITIFULLY uneducated. Or possibly hails from a non-English speaking country, which would be a special case.

It's a blatantly OOC reference. The player who rolled him up even admitted it was done as a "tribute". I really don't think the recitation of poetry even matters (though it does make things even worse, even if it is his own poetry, because it's drawing yet another line of similarity between his GS char and a famous real world writer).

There are plenty of names that should have been caught and weren't. That doesn't change anything at all about the validity of this name. Enforcement has to start somewhere.

[subzero]

I haven't tried it but have no desire at this point. I like Prime - it's cheap, I stay in character, I like the role-play, and I don't like people hunting with purple dildos.

I think that idea is way overblown. Maybe it's because most of us have likely been playing prime for so long that it's quite contrast from the norm and it makes a bigger impression on people. I honestly think a lot of people that got stuff like that done either use them sparingly (more as something to mess around with, maybe smash the occasional afk hunter with it) or have long since quit. Sure, they exist. Sure, anyone could have one made in the future (merchants pending). I really don't think it's near as prevalent as the people that don't play seem to think it is, though. At any rate, enjoy prime.

[loxe]

I think the real issue here, isn't OOG names, as much as ITZEL is a hairy pitted man hating Nazi bitch.

P.S. If any other hairy pitted, man hating, Nazi bitches out there take offense to my comparing Itzel to them, I apologize.

[Timjirdos]

Payme - he fails at more than just naming a character
Winner.

[snarlingmaiden]

Whenever I see a name that is either a shitty spelling of a real name, or a name like Cerveza or Cannebes, Lovable or Inurtia I really just pretend they're not even there. I can't fathom that people with any common sense could possibly choose to name their character something that fucking retarded and I refuse to associate with them.

You are SO mean! Jhynnifer

[DCSL]

Oh, you're back! And still retarded. Sweeeeeet.

[Revial]

I'm offended that I wasn't on that list posted earlier.

[Geijon Khyree]

At that point I was a little peeved, and said to Itzel I will be quitting gemstone permanently if in 1 week I did not receive a favorable ruling on the rename appeal.



This never ever works. People do what they can, but placing a timeline that doesn't have an immediate resolution cannot be met and is impossible. People know this. They throw the tantrum anyways.


This is an unrelated, general comment. I'm sure people will negative rep the truth anyways.

[diethx]

Oh, you're back! And still retarded. Sweeeeeet.

Yeah but to her credit, Jhynyfyfyyfyrryryr was totally being a hyphyohocryte there.

[crb]

This thread still exists?

Steinbeck is okay, yes, he is a famous author. But they allow AynRandLies, and that is using a famous author in a sentence.

[Lumi]

This thread still exists?

Steinbeck is okay, yes, he is a famous author. But they allow AynRandLies, and that is using a famous author in a sentence.

And again, the logic behind "they let one bad name through so they should stop enforcing the rules entirely" is...?

[Suppressed Poet]

I'm quite surprised this thread keeps popping up.

I'll let everyone know my 2 cents...In hindsight I think yes I did throw a big temper tantrum that was uncalled for. I don't necessarily regret doing it, but yeah perhaps I was being a bit of a tiddy-baby. I think it was a combination of me having a bad day and other factors. At that point I was getting a bit sick of Gemstone, and the way that it was presented by Itzel could have been handled better. I guess I was willing to risk it all on a principle that really isn't that important to me now. So I threw up a couple of threats and they folded. The game is shrinking and Simutronics wants to retain customers.

The real argument was whether the name violated policy. Steinbeck is indeed associated with a famous author, and anyone with an education doesn't have to think hard to put that together. At the same time, Steinbeck is also somewhat of a common name and not technically a direct reference. Truthfully I think it could really go either way. I see the point of my critics.

In the end, its done. I am enjoying playing again and outside of these forums I haven't run into a single person in-game that has had a problem with it. I like my character's name. Whichever way you fall on this policy, you can at least admit it's not the most terrible name that has ever come to Prime.

[Gibreficul]

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that Izzea -while being awesome and my favorite GM by far- isn't all that concerned with things in general being in or out of genre...

You see GameMaster Izzea the Heartbreaker.
She appears to be a Faendryl Halfling.
She is very very tiny and appears to be an adult. She has long-lashed, vivid absinthe green eyes and porcelain skin. She has shoulder-length, perfectly straight mournbloom black hair shot with slices of electric blue. She has a pretty face and voluptuous, womanly curves. She's so sweet she makes you want to eat the candy store, one two three four.
She has an intricate jade green lotus blossom tattooed on her neck.
She is in good shape.
She is holding a soft black velvet tunic lined with royal blue silk in her right hand.
She is wearing a sleek steel-hued charmeuse gown corseted by silvery ribs, a sparkly tiara of pink rhinestone hearts that spell the word 'Fabulous', a raspberry beret, a goldie looking chain, an I'd rather go naked than wear real fur coat, a GameHosts Rule badge, an I Love Icemule badge, a golden badge of awesomeness, a very expensive rolex watch, an itsy bitsy teeny weeny yellow polka dot bikini, a really hot Michael Phelps doll adorned with 8 gold medals, a pair of fitted dark blue skinny jeans, and some blue suede shoes.



I had an altercation with that GM before. I told her those "skinny jeans" were her real fantasy.... You want me in Genre, practice what you preach. She was not amused. Needless to say, THAT trip to the consultation lounge didn't go all that well for me. Do I care? No, in fact, I wrote feedback about how RUDE she was about insisting I be in genre without being in genre herself. I have respect for development GMs, the ones that are glorified gamehosts can all kiss my fucking ass.

### NEG REP RECIEVED: I just ran into this idiocy. GM's are OOC entities and ALL of them look OOC if you look at them. You're either incredibly naive, or just plain stupid. GS is a RP game and you're required to follow the same rules as anyone else. Get over yourself.

### MORE NEG REP RECIEVED: I'm not sure if there is a bigger idiot in game than you, bud. Pittsburgh is a fucking hole.

I love my e-stalkers. :love:

Thanks! The opinion of some spineless lowlife piece of shit who can't even sign their negative rep means nothing to me.

http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z304/iconosphere/GivingTheFinger.jpg?t=1242001957

[Nilandia]

I had an altercation with that GM before. I told her those "skinny jeans" were her real fantasy.... You want me in Genre, practice what you preach. She was not amused. Needless to say, THAT trip to the consultation lounge didn't go all that well for me. Do I care? No, in fact, I wrote feedback about how RUDE she was about insisting I be in genre without being in genre herself. I have respect for development GMs, the ones that are glorified gamehosts can all kiss my fucking ass.
GameMasters are inherently OOC entities by their very existence. Whenever they appear in game, it is to handle OOC matters. They are not bound to be in character or in genre. Characters, however, are.

Gretchen

[Fallen]

GameMasters are inherently OOC entities by their very existence. Whenever they appear in game, it is to handle OOC matters. They are not bound to be in character or in genre. Characters, however, are.

Gretchen

I still say that is a stupid rule. GMs have the ability to pull people up into a lounge, communicate while invisible, etc. They do not need to stand there as an OOC entity. It only invites distraction.

[DCSL]

I'm quite surprised this thread keeps popping up.

I'll let everyone know my 2 cents...In hindsight I think yes I did throw a big temper tantrum that was uncalled for. I don't necessarily regret doing it, but yeah perhaps I was being a bit of a tiddy-baby. I think it was a combination of me having a bad day and other factors. At that point I was getting a bit sick of Gemstone, and the way that it was presented by Itzel could have been handled better. I guess I was willing to risk it all on a principle that really isn't that important to me now. So I threw up a couple of threats and they folded. The game is shrinking and Simutronics wants to retain customers.

The real argument was whether the name violated policy. Steinbeck is indeed associated with a famous author, and anyone with an education doesn't have to think hard to put that together. At the same time, Steinbeck is also somewhat of a common name and not technically a direct reference. Truthfully I think it could really go either way. I see the point of my critics.

In the end, its done. I am enjoying playing again and outside of these forums I haven't run into a single person in-game that has had a problem with it. I like my character's name. Whichever way you fall on this policy, you can at least admit it's not the most terrible name that has ever come to Prime.

I'm completely willing to let the name go. After all, my character is the title and main character of an ancient Greek play. I'm not that big a hypocrite. But I also don't go around quoting it. Do you still hang around tossing out Steinbeck quotes in the game? Because that I find to be incredibly annoying.

[Suppressed Poet]

I'm completely willing to let the name go. After all, my character is the title and main character of an ancient Greek play. I'm not that big a hypocrite. But I also don't go around quoting it. Do you still hang around tossing out Steinbeck quotes in the game? Because that I find to be incredibly annoying.

I've previously addressed that in fact I do not. When I did some poetry reciting, it was all either my own work or anonymous authors - mainly short limericks. I chose Steinbeck out of tribute, for better or worse. I actually haven't recited any poetry in quite some time. Lately, I have limited time to play so when I do I'm out hunting.

[Ihateyou]

I've previously addressed that in fact I do not. When I did some poetry reciting, it was all either my own work or anonymous authors - mainly short limericks. I chose Steinbeck out of tribute, for better or worse. I actually haven't recited any poetry in quite some time. Lately, I have limited time to play so when I do I'm out hunting.

Ban thgs asshole from PC and GS 4eva! YOU fuck a goat + die.

[GS4Merchant]

Thought I'd share my experience here.

A character I created apparently had a naming issue. For my recently created bard (well he is 13 trainings when this happened...) I took the last name of a 20th century famous American writer. I won't say the name because I like to keep my character anonymous, but if you listen to him limericks in TSC you can probably figure it out.

GM Itzel sends me to the renaming booth and claimed that the name is "too modern." I disagreed and was told the only way to appeal was to email feedback and wait 1-2 weeks for a response.

I'm not sure how you feel, but I think 1-2 weeks for something simple and stupid like that is ridiculous. At that point I was a little peeved, and said to Itzel I will be quitting gemstone permanently if in 1 week I did not receive a favorable ruling on the rename appeal.

A couple days later I put in an assist request to ask if I could play in the meantime while waiting for a ruling. Again I got Itzel. She declined the request and said "At this point we are in a holding pattern." Let me tell you...after my horrid experience dealing with this woman I must say I am not a fan.

A few days later go on and fast forward to today. I want to play for something I am paying for. I put in an assist request to see if I can change my name now, and if I am successful in my appeal, have it changed back. This time I got Izzea.

Izzea explained to me that the this should have been referred to a senior GM first. Izzea apologized for me having to wait in the renaming pavilion and understood my frustration. After a quick check with a PM, they agreed my name was not disruptive and release me. In addition they gave me an RP award to make up for some of the lost time.

Kudos to Izzea for being understanding, sympathetic, and quickly addressing the problem. I really give my congratulations not because so much of the favorable ruling, but just the sheer difference in how she handled the situation.

Sorry to see you had to go through this. Yet we see idiot fuckin names like:
Dyskryption? or Laquanda? running around freely. I always wanna KoS when I see these retards.

[Suppressed Poet]

Ban thgs asshole from PC and GS 4eva! YOU fuck a goat + die.

Interesting you care so much. Takes a lot of work to register a username on the pc, resurrect a thread over a year old, and anonymously profess your disdain. I'm flattered.


Sorry to see you had to go through this. Yet we see idiot fuckin names like:
Dyskryption? or Laquanda? running around freely. I always wanna KoS when I see these retards.

Appreciate your support, and those were my thoughts as well. This happened a long time ago, but thanks.

[Suppressed Poet]

A year and a half later I end up in the renaming pavillion. I am 46 now. Free RPA I guess. Very strange this happened and thought I'd share it (just removed the lnet crap):

[Rename Pavilion]
You are here to rename your character. Type RENAME and follow the instructions given to change your name.
Also here: GameHost Skhorne
Obvious exits: none
>
Skhorne asks, "I am here to answer your assist, are you available to speak at the moment?"
>
You feel at full magical power again.
You've gained 1 mental training point.
(To use these new points, click on the "skill goals" link in the quick link bar.)
>"I AM TRYING TO TALK!!!

You must change your name to something appropriate to the medieval fantasy setting of GemStone IV, before you can do anything else. To change your name, type RENAME and follow the instructions you are given.
>rename steinbeck
You must pick a NEW name, not the same one you already have.
>;chat to skhorne i can't speak
[server]: "no user named skhorne"
Your heightened attunement to the flows of mana begins to fade.
>assist
Advice Getting started in GemStone IV.
Directions Common places in town.
Help General information.
Bug Reporting bugs.
Queue Current size of the assist queue.
Policy GemStone IV player policy.
Assist Request Requesting assistance for technical problems.
Assist Position Checking your position in the assist queue.
Assist Cancel Remove yourself from the assist queue.
Referral Checking your position in the referral queue.
Report The "911" of GemStone IV, for emergencies only.
>bug

You must change your name to something appropriate to the medieval fantasy setting of GemStone IV, before you can do anything else. To change your name, type RENAME and follow the instructions you are given.
>assist request
>
Steinbeck just appeared.
You feel yourself being pulled away...
[Consultation Lounge]
The cozy surroundings of this simple conference room provide a much-welcomed respite from the chaos just outside its walls. You notice several plush chairs arranged casually around the room in a comfortable grouping.
Also here: GameMaster Emeradan
Obvious exits: none
>
Emeradan softly says, "Yo."
>"can I talk?
You ask, "Can I talk?"
>"yay
You say, "Yay."
>
Emeradan softly says, "Maybe."
>
Emeradan winks.
>"I was in the renaming pavilion and couldnt speak
You say, "I was in the renaming pavilion and couldnt speak."
>
Emeradan softly says, "Hold on while I look at some stuff."
>"so...I've been through this before. They said my name was ok. Then I checked into an inn and it threw me in here
You say, "So...I've been through this before. They said my name was ok. Then I checked into an inn and it threw me in here."
>"sure
You say, "Sure."
>
Emeradan slyly says, "I'm prolly gonna be silent while I'm reading, so expect it."
>"If you can tell game host Skhone I am not crazy and wasn't trying to waste her time
You say, "If you can tell game host Skhone I am not crazy and wasn't trying to waste her time."
>smile
You smile.
>
>nod
You nod.
>
Emeradan softly says, "Already done."
>
* Zelas just bit the dust!
>look in back
You glance at your back-scabbard.

You have a falchion and broadsword strapped to your back-scabbard.
>
You attempt to renew your songs but your voice gets caught in your throat.
>
The mirror images surrounding you undulate and fade away.
>
You no longer feel a sense of protection.
>
Your spirits are no longer lifted by stories of Kai's Triumphs.
>
The air stops shimmering around you.
>
You no longer feel a sense of confidence.
>
Emeradan softly says, "Just lemme see why you got dragged back into a lounge. It'll be more than a minute."
>
Emeradan winks.
>"no worries
You say, "No worries."
>
* Maezie just bit the dust!
>"I'm fairly certain lots of people hate my name, but I was told it was legal a little more than a year ago by feedback and some SGM.
You say, "I'm fairly certain lots of people hate my name, but I was told it was legal a little more than a year ago by feedback and some SGM."
>
* Sarowyn just bit the dust!
>
Emeradan softly says, "I read the notes, but I'm looking to see if someone missed a setting somewhere."
>
* Cirell is off to a rough start! He just bit the dust!
>
Emeradan softly says, "No big either way, gimme a minute(+)."
>
* Estherin just bit the dust!
>
>"more than likely. Take your time. I think this is the first time checking into an inn. Just wanted to see if I have redux or not at this point, and was told that it is a good indicator.
You say, "More than likely. Take your time. I think this is the first time checking into an inn. Just wanted to see if I have redux or not at this point, and was told that it is a good indicator."
>
>
Emeradan softly says, "Sorry, still looking through logs."
>nod
You nod.
>
Emeradan softly asks, "Where were you when you got dragged up into the pavilion?"
>
>"I just checked out of the inn
You say, "I just checked out of the inn."
>
Emeradan softly asks, "Where?"
>"The Landing
You say, "The Landing."
>"sorry
You say, "Sorry."
>
Emeradan nods.
>"raging thrak inn
You say, "Raging thrak inn."
>
[LNet]-GSIV:Jeril: "In what way?"
You've gained 1 physical training point.
(To use these new points, click on the "skill goals" link in the quick link bar.)
>
Emeradan softly says, "Just narrowing down some stuff."
>
Emeradan slyly says, "Lemme see what happens when I try sending you back to a previous location. If it's where I think it's gonna be, I'll move you to TSC. If it sends you to TSC, then I'll be glad."
>"ok
You say, "Ok."
>
The world grows blurry and indistinct. After a moment everything becomes clear again. Looking about, you see...
[Rename Pavilion]
You are here to rename your character. Type RENAME and follow the instructions given to change your name.
Obvious exits: none
>
You feel yourself being pulled away...
[Town Square Central]
This is the heart of the main square of Wehnimer's Landing. The impromptu shops of the bazaar are clustered around this central gathering place, where townsfolk, travellers, and adventurers meet to talk, conspire or raise expeditions to the far-flung reaches of Elanith. At the north end, an old well, with moss-covered stones and a craggy roof, is shaded from the moonlight by a strong, robust tree. The oak is tall and straight, and it is apparent that the roots run deep. You also see a plain fel chest, a forest wolf, the Nobbel disk, a squat bottle of Manor Moonshine, a large acorn, a white flask, an herbal remedy donation bin and some stone benches with some stuff on it.
Also here: Angellena, Sarvia who is sitting, Elbromo, Zelas, Nobbel, Fhum, Fhe, Triqnell, Zenzide who is sitting, Lady Tottianna, Swim who is lying down, Zachion, Great Lord Ewin who is sitting, Lady Kiske who is sitting
Obvious paths: northeast, east, southeast, southwest, west, northwest
>
Elbromo just went west.
>
The world grows blurry and indistinct. After a moment everything becomes clear again. Looking about, you see...
[Rename Pavilion]
You are here to rename your character. Type RENAME and follow the instructions given to change your name.
Obvious exits: none
>
You feel yourself being pulled away...
[Town Square Central]
This is the heart of the main square of Wehnimer's Landing. The impromptu shops of the bazaar are clustered around this central gathering place, where townsfolk, travellers, and adventurers meet to talk, conspire or raise expeditions to the far-flung reaches of Elanith. At the north end, an old well, with moss-covered stones and a craggy roof, is shaded from the moonlight by a strong, robust tree. The oak is tall and straight, and it is apparent that the roots run deep. You also see a plain fel chest, a forest wolf, the Nobbel disk, a squat bottle of Manor Moonshine, a large acorn, a white flask, an herbal remedy donation bin and some stone benches with some stuff on it.
Also here: Angellena, Sarvia who is sitting, Zelas, Nobbel, Fhum, Fhe, Triqnell, Zenzide who is sitting, Lady Tottianna, Swim who is lying down, Zachion, Great Lord Ewin who is sitting, Lady Kiske who is sitting
Obvious paths: northeast, east, southeast, southwest, west, northwest
>
Steinbeck just appeared.
You feel yourself being pulled away...
[Consultation Lounge]
The cozy surroundings of this simple conference room provide a much-welcomed respite from the chaos just outside its walls. You notice several plush chairs arranged casually around the room in a comfortable grouping.
Also here: GameMaster Emeradan
Obvious exits: none
>
Emeradan mutters under his breath.
>"it worked
You say, "It worked."
>grin
You grin.
>
Emeradan softly says, "Totally unimpressed. One sec."
>chuck
You chuckle.
>nod
You nod.
>"Is the consulation lounge a super node? Just curious.
You say, "Is the consulation lounge a super node? Just curious."
>grin
You grin.
>
Emeradan softly says, "Hopefully I cleared what I needed to clear so you won't find yourself in a pavilion again. At least when I send you out of here now, you'll go back to TSC like I wanted to happen."
>"much appreciated
You say, "Much appreciated."
>
Emeradan softly says, "Sorry for turning you into a yo-yo."
>
Emeradan winks.
>"no worries, thanks for the help
You say, "No worries, thanks for the help."
>
Emeradan softly says, "Don't be afraid to REPORT/ASSIST if it happens again when you leave an inn, though. If it does, then something needs fixing somewhere that I can't fathom."
>
Emeradan shrugs.
>
You've gained 1 mental training point.
(To use these new points, click on the "skill goals" link in the quick link bar.)
>"will do. I try not to use report but didnt have a choice
You say, "Will do. I try not to use report but didnt have a choice."
>
Emeradan softly says, "Never a problem."
>
Emeradan nods.
>smile
You smile.
>
Emeradan softly says, "Cheers and have a safe weekend."
>
Emeradan nods.
>
>"you too!
Emeradan waves.
>
You exclaim, "You too!"
>wave
You wave.
>
The world grows blurry and indistinct. After a moment everything becomes clear again. Looking about, you see...
[Town Square Central]
This is the heart of the main square of Wehnimer's Landing. The impromptu shops of the bazaar are clustered around this central gathering place, where townsfolk, travellers, and adventurers meet to talk, conspire or raise expeditions to the far-flung reaches of Elanith. At the north end, an old well, with moss-covered stones and a craggy roof, is shaded from the moonlight by a strong, robust tree. The oak is tall and straight, and it is apparent that the roots run deep. You also see the Nobbel disk, a forest wolf, a squat bottle of Manor Moonshine, a large acorn, a white flask, an herbal remedy donation bin and some stone benches with some stuff on it.
Also here: Merod who is sitting, Lady Mikhyzabela, Nobbel, Lyraenyia who is sitting, Rhazamael, Sarvia who is sitting, Zelas, Fhum, Fhe, Triqnell, Zenzide who is sitting, Lady Tottianna, Swim who is lying down, Zachion, Great Lord Ewin who is sitting, Lady Kiske who is sitting
Obvious paths: northeast, east, southeast, southwest, west, northwest

[subzero]

Looks like Fhe and Fhum are missing their buddies Phi and Pho.

[Jace Solo]

I figured we'd spell those Fhy and Fho...but yeah, and they are pretty interesting, lol

[WRoss]

Looks like Fhe and Fhum are missing their buddies Phi and Pho.

I helped one of them get a lockpick the other night. I ask where fo and fum were and they replied that they weren't working tonight. Maybe he/she actually has them.

[Suppressed Poet]

I ran into them and had a conversation with them in TSC. They are a bit strange but kept in character.

I was thinking...I immagine a higher level character that is in the renaming pavilion would fetch a premium in silvers/cash. I have a feeling the bug was not fixed. I guess if I ever decide to leave gemstone and cash out, I'll try checking into the inn to see if that happens again (after selling all items and copying stat/skill/society info).

[AnticorRifling]

What's the name of the character that got pulled in? If it's Steinbeck yeah that shit should be renamed. Horrible.

[Allereli]

What's the name of the character that got pulled in? If it's Steinbeck yeah that shit should be renamed. Horrible.

If Vivaldi can exist, I don't see a problem with Steinbeck. I like both characters/ppl, not a knock on either.

[AnticorRifling]

Any RL historical person is horrid for a character name too. At least in regards to GS.

[thefarmer]

If Vivaldi can exist, I don't see a problem with Steinbeck. I like both characters/ppl, not a knock on either.

:)


Any RL historical person is horrid for a character name too. At least in regards to GS.

I blame AOL-era naming and the stereotypical classical music upbringing of an Azn for choosing Vivaldi. Looking back, I wish I had picked something else.

With that said, Steinbeck isn't some grandfathered AOL name, that I'm aware of, and the decision not to force rename the first time was dumb.

[DaCapn]

Steinbeck is very clearly against policy (and his initial schtick of reciting Steinbeck poems in-game was dumb). Izzea ruled in his favor for some reason.

To me, the names that have annoying letter combinations or are adjective/noun combinations are way worse than names like Steinbeck, though. At least that's a name. Ran into a char named Stanford who got pulled in to re-name to Stanwicke. Stanford is a better name even if it's a well known university. A crappier name is always more distracting to me.

[Alfster]

Waldo2 is the best name there is.

[Suppressed Poet]

(and his initial schtick of reciting Steinbeck poems in-game was dumb)

Your comment, sir, is dumb.

Steinbeck wrote famous novels; not poetry. If I had recited poems by John Steinbeck, you would have no idea they were written by him.

[Suppressed Poet]

If Vivaldi can exist, I don't see a problem with Steinbeck. I like both characters/ppl, not a knock on either.

Thanks for that. :)

I think anybody that interacts with my character would say I don't make OOC references and I try to go out of my way to be kind to people.

It is just a name people, and I happen to like it. You don't have to. I am ok with that. I promise that my name is not the downfall of Gemstone, and if you take a deep breath it shouldn't ruin your gaming experience.

I've recieved some really hateful PMs, rep, and private lnet messages over the year...one went so far as to say they will find where I live, rape my wife (I'm not married), and kill my family. Wow some people really take this shit way too seriously.

[DaCapn]

Your comment, sir, is dumb.

Steinbeck wrote famous novels; not poetry. If I had recited poems by John Steinbeck, you would have no idea they were written by him.

The behavior itself is dumb. It is an intrinsic quality which is independent of the ability of those around you to recognize it.

I've done dumb things in-game. It's fine. There's no sense in defending it, though. Kind of funny that you honed in on that when the rest of my comment was about as close as anyone has gotten to defending you here.

[Suppressed Poet]

The behavior itself is dumb. It is an intrinsic quality which is independent of the ability of those around you to recognize it.

I've done dumb things in-game. It's fine. There's no sense in defending it, though. Kind of funny that you honed in on that when the rest of my comment was about as close as anyone has gotten to defending you here.

I get a bit upset when somebody said I was reciting Steinbeck poetry, because I wasn't. I'm just calling out the fact that Steinbeck's famous work is in novels, so it makes no sense. My comment was related to that specific part.

I wouldn't say you are defending the name, but I get what you are saying. You could absolutely hate my name and as you see, it really has no impact on me. Everyone has their opinion.

We are cool.

[AnticorRifling]

Thanks for that. :)

I think anybody that interacts with my character would say I don't make OOC references and I try to go out of my way to be kind to people.

It is just a name people, and I happen to like it. You don't have to. I am ok with that. I promise that my name is not the downfall of Gemstone, and if you take a deep breath it shouldn't ruin your gaming experience.

I've recieved some really hateful PMs, rep, and private lnet messages over the year...one went so far as to say they will find where I live, rape my wife (I'm not married), and kill my family. Wow some people really take this shit way too seriously.

It's not a matter of like or dislike it's the fact that, by the very nature of the name, it is OOC and a distraction that is a violation of naming rules. Oh but it's just a name...in a text based game...where that is the first thing that is seen and always tagged to your every action..no big thing.

It's not the downfall of GemStone on that I will agree but the fact that people are bothered by it means it is impacting their gaming experience just if I were to roll up a mage named Poe and get a raven familiar. I'd never have to recite shit or act OOC the name it alone will do the disruption for me.

It is a fantasy genre, text based to boot, imagination is required, clearly you were lacking. The names that happened back when people were 8-12 I can almost forgive because kids are kids and think things are sweet/cool/etc. unless you're a kid go check yourself in to the renaming tent.

[Tenlaar]

- Names of current or past well-known personalities. (Madonna, Goldberg, Cronkite)



I did name my character after him in tribute, but I do not role-play to be John Steinbeck

Did I name my chracter in tribute after the famous author John Steinbeck? Yes - I will admit that here.

Steinbeck is indeed associated with a famous author, and anyone with an education doesn't have to think hard to put that together.

I chose Steinbeck out of tribute, for better or worse.


Too bad they didn't make you rename this time.

[subzero]

Either purge the world of the bad names or don't. If it's jarring to have one, it's just as jarring to have another (yeah, especially some of the "grandfathered" ones). Selective policy enforcement is a fucking failure.

[Suppressed Poet]

It's not a matter of like or dislike it's the fact that, by the very nature of the name, it is OOC and a distraction that is a violation of naming rules. Oh but it's just a name...in a text based game...where that is the first thing that is seen and always tagged to your every action..no big thing.

It's not the downfall of GemStone on that I will agree but the fact that people are bothered by it means it is impacting their gaming experience just if I were to roll up a mage named Poe and get a raven familiar. I'd never have to recite shit or act OOC the name it alone will do the disruption for me.

It is a fantasy genre, text based to boot, imagination is required, clearly you were lacking. The names that happened back when people were 8-12 I can almost forgive because kids are kids and think things are sweet/cool/etc. unless you're a kid go check yourself in to the renaming tent.


Too bad they didn't make you rename this time.

Thanks for the feedback.

They (being GMs) didn't see it that way. Ultimately they have the authority and they agreed with me it does not violate the naming policy. What is done is done.

[Tenlaar]

GMs make bad decisions and go against their own rules in order to not deal with problems. By your own admissions (noted above) it does, in fact, violate naming policy.

[Suppressed Poet]

We can go in circles all day. The fact of the matter is that it does not if they say it does not. What is written is up for interpretation of people in authority. This is the email I got so let me reference that:

The SGMs, Head of IFE games and I agree with you. Now if you start doing scenes from "Of Mice and Men" in game, we'll promptly stop agreeing with you (that's using the name to be disruptive). But the bottom line is, you're right. If your character's name is Harry, that's no problem. If your character's name is Harry Potter, that's a different story (literally).

What they are saying is, lots of people can be named Steinbeck. It is a fairly common name. If I did JSteinbeck, JStein, JohnSteinbeck, OfMiceAndMen, ThePearl, etc. - that is a violation of naming policy. Or, if my character does go around quoting John Steinbeck's work, then there is a problem. Contrary to what people make up to try to win this argument, I have never done that. Naming my character after him in tribute is inconsequential.

[Tgo01]

The SGMs, Head of IFE games and I agree with you. Now if you start doing scenes from "Of Mice and Men" in game, we'll promptly stop agreeing with you (that's using the name to be disruptive). But the bottom line is, you're right. If your character's name is Harry, that's no problem. If your character's name is Harry Potter, that's a different story (literally).

I think someone should name a character "Hitler" or "Goebbels" and say "What? There are lots of people named Hitler! Now if I start goose stepping or speaking German you can force me to rename my character but until then I am within the naming policy."

Yes, I just Godwinned (not really) this thread. I win.

[Tenlaar]

Go ahead and list all the other Steinbecks you've heard of, or met, since it's such a common name.

I'll wait.

[Suppressed Poet]

I think someone should name a character "Hitler" or "Goebbels" and say "What? There are lots of people named Hitler! Now if I start goose stepping or speaking German you can force me to rename my character but until then I am within the naming policy."

Yes, I just Godwinned (not really) this thread. I win.

Heh. Actually I will give it to you that is pretty sound logic. You can certainly try that, but I would bet someone has tried Hitler before. Not sure about Goebbels but more power to you. I merely play the game, and follow the rules.

Though I think a Godwin is a bit of a stretch. That would be me changing my name.


Go ahead and list all the other Steinbecks you've heard of, or met, since it's such a common name.

I'll wait.

I did a residential white page search in Dallas and Steinbeck had several pages of results. No point in posting the link, but just trust me on this one or you can do it yourself.

So I won't comment any further on the matter. This happened back in September of 2010 and it is not going to change now. I bathe in your sea of hatred.

[Gelston]

Hitler has been tried and was LCIed. It was after they did the name wipe. There is a log of it somewhere.

[DaCapn]

>policy 6

GemStone IV Player Policy: Character Names

The following guidelines are in place to ensure a high level of consistency among the names of the adventurers within our community. Players consistently creating names that violate the guidelines may be formally warned or face suspension of playing privileges.
...
- Names of well-known historical or religious figures. (Hitler, God, St. Peter, Gandhi)
- Famous Out-of-genre literary figures or well-known literary terms. (Buck Rogers, Chewy Bacca)
- Names of current or past well-known personalities. (Madonna, Goldberg, Cronkite)
...

Take your pick. It's pretty clear that someone decided to ignore the active policy (which is utterly clear with respect to this name) or just not search the web for "Steinbeck." You can Philadelphia lawyer about how the interpretation of the law is dictated by those who police it and rabble rabble but the reality of the matter is quite apparent.

Cases in point: Redhairpick (Silly or out of genre names. (Frogeater Tongueodeath, Bumblebee Tunahead)), Hollister (Copyrighted or trademarked names. (Nintendo, Lucasfilm, Chevy)), more and more.

Customer retention vs. policy importance is a point no one should forget.

[thefarmer]

Hollister (Copyrighted or trademarked names. (Nintendo, Lucasfilm, Chevy)), more and more.

There's a thread here somewhere when Andraste responded to my badname Hollister.




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I like the name Vivaldi. AOL or not, Steinbeck is grandfathered in. -SP

Grandfathered doesn't mean what you think it means.

[AnticorRifling]

I merely play the game, and follow the rules.

No, no you don't.



I bathe in your sea of hatred.

Oh you're one of those, this makes more sense now. Positive attention, negative attention at least they're paying attention to you....

[Androidpk]

Hold up.. Farmer is an azn?!?


http://i50.tinypic.com/rwnrd2.jpg

[Suppressed Poet]

No, no you don't.




Oh you're one of those, this makes more sense now. Positive attention, negative attention at least they're paying attention to you....

In quoting the late Thomas Jefferson, "don't hate the playa, hate the game!" And on that note, if I am not mistaken you stopped playing Gemstone some lengthy time ago? I get that a lot of people on the PC no longer play and just come here to socialize, I get that, but I do find it strange that you particularly are so upset by the matter.

It's not really so much that I am attention whore; I'm just impervious to people's disdain on this issue.

[diethx]

Hold up.. Farmer is an azn?!?

AHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Latrinsorm]

In quoting the late Thomas Jefferson, "don't hate the playa, hate the game!" And on that note, if I am not mistaken you stopped playing Gemstone some lengthy time ago? I get that a lot of people on the PC no longer play and just come here to socialize, I get that, but I do find it strange that you particularly are so upset by the matter.

It's not really so much that I am attention whore; I'm just impervious to people's disdain on this issue.People disagreeing with you is not the same as people being upset with or hating you. PB has disagreed with me perhaps a millions billions times, but I have never elicited an emotional response from him the way, for instance, Keller did.

Being able to do something, having that act tolerated or even endorsed by the authorities, and that act being consistent with the stated rules are all distinct propositions. Please note how this is a statement of fact, not a description of how much I hate you or how furious I am that you're ruining the game, because I am in neither emotional state.

[thefarmer]

Hold up.. Farmer is an azn?!?


http://i50.tinypic.com/rwnrd2.jpg


Linsanity.

[Gelston]

Linch Mob

[Androidpk]

My mind hasn't been this blown since I found out there were black people playing GS.

[Warriorbird]

My mind hasn't been this blown since I found out there were black people playing GS.


It's okay. All of us are agn now.

[thefarmer]

Linch Mob


My mind hasn't been this blown since I found out there were black people playing GS.

For some reason these two quotes combined made me think this:

http://youtu.be/kON_KRmFRKk

Linsensitive?

[Gelston]

Linspire

[Showal]

My mind hasn't been this blown since I found out there were black people playing GS.

This has made me more angry than I can ever remember being. WHO SAID THEY COULD PLAY? WHO DO THEY THINK THEY ARE?