Sex with a transvestite

[Gnome Rage]

So we were talking about this in my anthropology class today and I thought it was pretty interesting. How gay to you have to be, to be gay.

Here was the original scenario: A man goes to a transvestite prostitute. He knows its a man dressed as a woman. He penetrates the prostitute. Is he gay?

Apparently, some men who do this do not consider themselves gay because they are doing the heterosexual act (penetration) but do consider the prostitute gay because they are performing the homosexual act (... being penetrated)

This prompted one girl to ask...

So what about a guy that likes it when a girl wears a strap on. Is HE gay?

What do you think PC?

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Picture for funzies.

[Sam]

this thread is gay

[Gnome Rage]

It has a lot of homo in it, but I'm genuinely curious so go away <3

[Delias]

I prefer the roman view of dominant/submissive as opposed to the modern gay/straight view. Whoever was being penetrated was the gay one, the penetrator was considered totally straight.

That said, I'm still not fucking the tranny. Unless it's post op.

[Gnome Rage]

A transvestite is NOT the same as a transgender person.

A transvestite simply dresses like the other sex (generally men as women).

[Delias]

A transvestite is NOT the same as a transgender person.

A transvestite simply dresses like the other sex (generally men as women).

Sorry, I forgot you're in an anthro class and the distinction actually matters to you.

[Gnome Rage]

It has nothing to do with the fact that I'm in an anthropology class. It is the fact that they are two different terms and mean two different things and have two entirely different connotations. I know people who are transgender, and they would not want to be called a transvestite and I'm sure the opposite is true.

But for the purpose of this thread, its also important. This person is a man, will always be a man and is happy with being a man.

[Sam]

That's why us assholes just use the term tranny. Then we don't have to make a distinction.

[Gnome Rage]

There is one though, and you should recognize that. Because while people who are transgender and are getting the surgery do live as the opposite gender for (I believe) a year before actually going under the knife, they are very different from transvestites who simply enjoy wearing the clothes of another gender.

Just saying.

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

If you believe in the Kinsey scale, then gay, straight, and bi are really all relative labels anyway since they only cover ranges of sexuality, not absolutes. In your example I wouldn't say he's on the utterly straight point on the scale but I also wouldn't say he was gay or even bi. If I was trying to be precise I'd see him as being on the straight side of the scale but at a point more towards the center (true bisexuality), perhaps a 2.

[Gnome Rage]

If you believe in the Kinsey scale, then gay, straight, and bi are really all relative labels anyway since they only cover ranges of sexuality, not absolutes. In your example I wouldn't say he's on the utterly straight point on the scale but I also wouldn't say he was gay or even bi. If I was trying to be precise I'd see him as being on the straight side of the scale but at a point more towards the center (true bisexuality), perhaps a 2.

We talked about the Kinsey scale briefly in class but no one really knew what it was. <3 I'm glad you're around Nikki.

[Bobmuhthol]

This is a very important discussion and I wish you well in your career as someone who talks about homos all day (get a real degree).

[Gnome Rage]

I'm glad you feel the need to say nothing in so many words.

[Bobmuhthol]

Sorry for not contributing something meaningful to this obviously meaningful thread, bro.

[radamanthys]

Gay, to me (and I assume everyone else), means being attracted to the opposite sex. Not just enjoying anal (regardless of top/bottom status).

I get handjobs from a dude all the time. He looks and acts just like me... wait, he is me. Does that make me gay? There's only one guy in the room, and all. No. It doesn't. Because I'm not thinking about dicks when I'm doing it. I'm not attracted to men... which makes me not gay.

So yea, there are dudes that are closeted that fuck trannies because they're secretly attracted to men and feel ashamed. There are also dudes who just don't give a flying fuck what warm hole they stick their peter into, as long as it's tight enough. Cuz really... when a girl is bent over in the pitch black and you're plugging her cinnamon ring... what's the fucking difference?

That said, it does lend credence to the idea that the person might be gay, if he's actively seeking out male companionship because they are male. But not all men who fuck transvestites are gay. Not all transvestites are gay. Not even all transvestites who get fucked by guys are gay. And really, said dude-in-drag is getting paid for the service. It's still male-on-male sex, so I'd still call it gay sex, I guess.

I dunno.

[Gnome Rage]

I've seen so many wonderful contributions from you, so I'm sorry mine pale in comparison darling.

[Gnome Rage]

So what about the girl with a strap on?

I lean toward agreeing with Nikki. I don't personally like to put people in boxes (as my teacher put it). But if I were in a situation where I had to, I would agree with you mostly. I think it depends on the circumstances in which the person is looking for the sex, however that's not to say that the man cannot enjoy male on male sex strictly. Which would make him bisexual, by our box standards. I think its tricky, but its kind of interesting to answer for yourself. Because no matter what you actually end up saying you find that its hard to define sexuality a lot of the time. Or at least, that's what I felt like.

[Bobmuhthol]

I've seen so many wonderful contributions from you, so I'm sorry mine pale in comparison darling.

I think you're cute.

[Stanley Burrell]

Cuz really... when a girl is bent over in the pitch black and you're plugging her cinnamon ring... what's the fucking difference?

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[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

Cuz really... when a girl is bent over in the pitch black and you're plugging her cinnamon ring... what's the fucking difference?
The only thing that matters then is DID YOU ASK FIRST?!

[4a6c1]

This is a very important discussion and I wish you well in your career as someone who talks about homos all day (get a real degree).

He's right. You should get a real degree. But hoooray! for gay sex. It's all gay and gay is good.

[Stanley Burrell]

The only thing that matters then is DID YOU ASK FIRST?!

I've cockblocked myself for having the gentleman's demeanor and I'm probably going to do it again. Fuck shit.

[Gnome Rage]

He's right. You should get a real degree. But hoooray! for gay sex. It's all gay and gay is good.

My degree is not going to be in anthropology.

[4a6c1]

Good. It's a money sink with little payout unless you are riding scholarships.

[Gnome Rage]

My degree is not going to be one I make much money with, but I knew that going into it and I'm very much okay with it.

[4a6c1]

Not going to have kids? Kids are expensive. Houses are expensive. Everything is expensive. You should definately think about money eventually.

[Delias]

Not going to have kids? Kids are expensive. Houses are expensive. Everything is expensive. You should definately think about money eventually.

Money isn't important. I prefer starving if it means maintaining my self righteous outlook.

[Gnome Rage]

Not going to have kids? Kids are expensive. Houses are expensive. Everything is expensive. You should definately think about money eventually.

It will make me enough money to have a home, and I plan on saving before I have my children. I also have a healthy savings account currently, since I've been collecting survivor benefits since I was 11. I should have about half the loans most people have when exiting college and I can make upwards of 50k a year if I work for DCF without a masters degree, straight out of college. That is not what I want to do, but it will get my by until I am able to do what I want to do.

So I've thought plenty about money. I've definitely put thought into it all. But that doesn't mean I'm going to choose my profession based strictly on the fact that I want to have children in the future. I will not bring them into this world unless I can pay for them. And if I find that my profession is more important to me than bringing a child into the world, I will make that decision when I come to it.

Thanks for your concern though.

PS: To those negative repping me for this, next time sign your name because you have no idea what you're talking about.

[4a6c1]

Sorry for getting all up in your bizniz and crap. It's none of my bizniz for sure. I think I'm mothering you because your the PC baby and you're always hurting yourself and posting about it.

[Gnome Rage]

Always hurting myself? I got a blood blister, and then I got sick... I may not have a mother, but that doesn't mean I need mothering. I appreciate your concern, faux or real but I'll do alright.

[Delias]

Always hurting myself? I got a blood blister, and then I got sick... I may not have a mother, but that doesn't mean I need mothering. I appreciate your concern, faux or real but I'll do alright.

Remember when there was a discussion on who was what kind of cunt? I think you just won Sandy Cunt.

[Jace Solo]

Did anyone else read the title...then get a tinge of surprise that it wasn't Sean posting some sort of story that happened to him the weekend before?

I'm a little disappointed.

And if he knowing penetrated another man. He's gay. If you fuck a goat that's wearing a wig is it any less than bestiality? Carnal Knowledge!

[4a6c1]

Always hurting myself? I got a blood blister, and then I got sick... I may not have a mother, but that doesn't mean I need mothering. I appreciate your concern, faux or real but I'll do alright.

WHOA CRAZY. I was being sincere. So you can put the bitchtittude away.

[Gnome Rage]

You inferred that it was meant to be bitchy, I was being just as sincere as you. Just saying.

[Gnome Rage]

Did anyone else read the title...then get a tinge of surprise that it wasn't Sean posting some sort of story that happened to him the weekend before?

I'm a little disappointed.

And if he knowing penetrated another man. He's gay. If you fuck a goat that's wearing a wig is it any less than bestiality? Carnal Knowledge!

There are no intermediates? Just because its a dude he's gay? He can't be bisexual, or just sexual?

[4a6c1]

.....

[Delias]

You know, I wasn't going to say anything because I felt it would be dickish, even for me, to say... but I changed my mind. So here goes.

A lot of us have lost people, including parents, and yet we manage to go three threads or more without mentioning it. I think it's disrespectful to use your mothers memory in such a way as to garner sympathy or whatever it is you are trying to get by bringing her up all the time. Just something I think you should think about.

[4a6c1]

You inferred that it was meant to be bitchy, I was being just as sincere as you. Just saying.

Here let me repost so as to avoid a conflict with a really not at all conflicting, perfectly balanced, not at all overly defensive, perhaps maybe but not at all psycho killer but its ok because I have guns... personality.

Step one: I agree with whatever you said in the first post. If you did not have a stated opinion I magically read your mind and agree with that.

Step two: I have no negative opinions about silly degrees based on my extensive experience as a career college student.

Step three: I have no unsolicited advice about money because you did not ask for it and even if you did I would not give it because you know everything.

Step four: I am not going to mother you because you are NOT the youngest person on this forum and do not act like it. At all.

Lalalamylittleponieslala

[Gnome Rage]

I wrote a long response to this, but decided it would be best not to post it. So keep your delusions about me and I'll keep on doing what I'm doing.

[Bobmuhthol]

Thanks for the heads up.

[iJin]

Like Nikki would say, "this thread is dildos."

[Cephalopod]

I don't know what's going on in this thread, but I think now would be a good time to interject this special test:
Thailand: Lady or Ladyboy? (http://www.thai-discovery.com/ladyboy-test.php)

[Cephalopod]

A lot of us have lost people, including parents, and yet we manage to go three threads or more without mentioning it. I think it's disrespectful to use your mothers memory in such a way as to garner sympathy or whatever it is you are trying to get by bringing her up all the time. Just something I think you should think about.

Er... where did this even come from?

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

You know, I wasn't going to say anything because I felt it would be dickish, even for me, to say... but I changed my mind. So here goes.

A lot of us have lost people, including parents, and yet we manage to go three threads or more without mentioning it. I think it's disrespectful to use your mothers memory in such a way as to garner sympathy or whatever it is you are trying to get by bringing her up all the time. Just something I think you should think about.
Wow Delias, where else has she posted straight up about her mom? Or are you just posting more stuff on the PC that she told you in confidence via IM?

[Celephais]

What's dildos about this thread is the response it got. At least it's not some retarded retracted thread about a stupid anti-semitic post on facebook.

If you're a guy and you're turned on by guys, you're gay. Doesn't matter if they're dressed up as girls or if you actually do anything with them... if you're turned on by guys, you're gay. (If you're turned on by someone you think is a chick and then it turns out to be a guy and suddenly you feel very violated, you are not gay).

[BriarFox]

If you believe in the Kinsey scale, then gay, straight, and bi are really all relative labels anyway since they only cover ranges of sexuality, not absolutes.

I didn't read all of this thread, but this here. Also, gender is more often a performed act than an inherent quality, so if the penetrator is performing a manly role, then he's still a "man." It does get more complicated, though.

[Drisco]

I get handjobs from a dude all the time. He looks and acts just like me... wait, he is me. Does that make me gay? There's only one guy in the room, and all. No. It doesn't. Because I'm not thinking about dicks when I'm doing it. I'm not attracted to men... which makes me not gay

You got me all excited when I started reading it. Then I realized you tricked me and now I'm sad.


If you believe in the Kinsey scale, then gay, straight, and bi are really all relative labels anyway since they only cover ranges of sexuality, not absolutes. In your example I wouldn't say he's on the utterly straight point on the scale but I also wouldn't say he was gay or even bi. If I was trying to be precise I'd see him as being on the straight side of the scale but at a point more towards the center (true bisexuality), perhaps a 2.

Fuck I love when you talk smart. I'm all hot and bothered now. I think I need to go relieve myself.


He's right. You should get a real degree. But hoooray! for gay sex. It's all gay and gay is good.

I love Anthro. My friend is getting a degree in it to become a Archeologist. I think it's a very viable degree to have. Maybe having a complementary Minor to go along with it would help a ton as well. (For example, a Business minor would be good for a HR position in a company with a diverse staff, or a Anthro + Minor in Language studies for translators.)

[4a6c1]

I love Anthro. My friend is getting a degree in it to become a Archeologist. I think it's a very viable degree to have. Maybe having a complementary Minor to go along with it would help a ton as well. (For example, a Business minor would be good for a HR position in a company with a diverse staff, or a Anthro + Minor in Language studies for translators.)

Archaeology is the sexiest degree there is. It was my first love and it's completely useless. I would say 1/16th of the people who go for it actually move on to interesting field careers. Yes that is a number I totally made up. Because I know about 15 Archaeology dropouts with Indiana Jones syndrome and one successful (in name only, dirt poor and lives by begging for grants) field specialist.

Physical Anthropology...the only type of Anthro that pays, takes forever and is only useful with a doctorate. Perhaps a Masters if you work for the local police.

[ElvenFury]

Physical Anthropology...the only type of Anthro that pays, takes forever and is only useful with a doctorate. Perhaps a Masters if you work for the local police.
Isn't Bones a great TV show?

[Cephalopod]

Isn't Bones a great TV show?

The Science Dude tonight was awesome. Who knew David Alan Grier could still make me laugh so easily?

[ElvenFury]

The Science Dude tonight was awesome. Who knew David Alan Grier could still make me laugh so easily?
Wait, you mean that wasn't one of the Wayans brothers?

[Cephalopod]

Wait, you mean that wasn't one of the Wayans brothers?

Does it make you feel old to make a reference like this?

It makes me feel old.

[ElvenFury]

...

Well now it does.

[4a6c1]

He is old though. Old and frugity.


Isn't Bones a great TV show?

I hate you becaues you know exactly why I looked into it. hate.

Edited to say Bonnie Bassler > Bones

/worship bonnie

[Drisco]

Archaeology is the sexiest degree there is. It was my first love and it's completely useless. I would say 1/16th of the people who go for it actually move on to interesting field careers. Yes that is a number I totally made up. Because I know about 15 Archaeology dropouts with Indiana Jones syndrome and one successful (in name only, dirt poor and lives by begging for grants) field specialist.

Physical Anthropology...the only type of Anthro that pays, takes forever and is only useful with a doctorate. Perhaps a Masters if you work for the local police.



That makes me upset. I want to remain in my bubble that there are real live Indiana Jones people in the Jungle and Deserts and what have you.

[AnticorRifling]

Nothing throws you off of your game like a piece of meat slapping your stomach like a metronome.

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

Nothing throws you off of your game like a piece of meat slapping your stomach like a metronome.

Clearly you need to start seeking out more experienced ladyboys.

[Tordane]

WHOA CRAZY. I was being sincere. So you can put the bitchtittude away.

My daddy always said,

Crazy bitches be crazy.

[Latrinsorm]

I always get to these threads too late! How is that possible!
Gay, to me (and I assume everyone else), means being attracted to the opposite sex. Not just enjoying anal (regardless of top/bottom status).This ought to be a good assumption, because this ought to be what it means. As Nikkisaurus points out there are degrees. If a person who knows he is a man seeks out sex in itself with another person who he knows is a man, there is some degree of homosexuality in the one who knows.

[WRoss]

What if you RP a flaming gay character that likes being gang banged by giantmen saying "Nnngh". Are you gay then? Because if so.....

[Warriorbird]

That makes me upset. I want to remain in my bubble that there are real live Indiana Jones people in the Jungle and Deserts and what have you.

There's quite a large number of archaeologists in the world. There's also quite a large number of archaeology programs that are pretty much FAIL.

The Indiana Jones people are generally smelly and missing teeth and not Angelina Jolie. They're tomb robbers.

[4a6c1]

And poor. Dont forget poor.

[Delias]

That makes me upset. I want to remain in my bubble that there are real live Indiana Jones people in the Jungle and Deserts and what have you.

The problem is that neo-nazis don't hunt artifacts for world domination, they are generally just too busy being pricks.

[SHAFT]

since I've been collecting survivor benefits since I was 11.

You were on Survivor?

[radamanthys]

I always get to these threads too late! How is that possible!This ought to be a good assumption, because this ought to be what it means. As Nikkisaurus points out there are degrees. If a person who knows he is a man seeks out sex in itself with another person who he knows is a man, there is some degree of homosexuality in the one who knows.

True. Unless he just really likes how anal feels, and dudes are quicker to give it out.

[TheEschaton]

I think it depends on what he's attracted to - is he attracted to the tranny because he's a male, or because he's dressed as a female? The reasons why he would go for such a choice (male, but dressed as a woman, or female, but sexually a man) are somewhat irrelevant as those are usually formed through environmental factors, but what he's attracted to is his sexuality.

IE, if he's attracted to the tranny because he's male, the social reason behind him seeking a tranny as opposed to a full-out gay man is probably a sense of shame in being homosexual.

If he's attracted to the tranny because he's dressed as a woman, socially, he's probably seeking an easy way to perform what is considered a "deviant" sexual act with a "woman" who he isn't in a relationship with, or who would think it improper, etc, etc. I do agree though that there might be a degree of someone failing to face their own homosexuality though, cause if you try hard enough, you can get a girl to do anal. ;)

As for the woman with a strap on, I'd say the guy is straight. Some men like their women to stick a finger up their ass while having sex, if he's attracted to the woman and the whole massaging-the-prostate thing is for heightened sexual pleasure, it only matters that he's attracted to women.

-TheE-

[Warriorbird]

I think it depends on what he's attracted to - is he attracted to the tranny because he's a male, or because he's dressed as a female?

If he's attracted to the tranny because he's dressed as a woman, socially, he's probably seeking an easy way to perform what is considered a "deviant" sexual act with a "woman" who he isn't in a relationship with, or who would think it improper, etc, etc.

-TheE-

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