Another reason why Pitbulls do NOT make good pets

[Atlanteax]

How many of these instances are going to happen till people realize that pitbulls do not make good pets.

You don't hear this sort of thing, consistently, with labadors, retrievers, shepards, etc...

Ideally, people will simply stop breeding pitbulls.

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http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/South/04/17/fatal.mauling.ap/index.html

CHARLOTTE, North Carolina (AP) -- An 8-year-old boy was mauled to death by his father's four pit bulls, and prosecutors were considering charges against the father ranging from child neglect to murder.

Roddie Philip Dumas Jr. was attacked in the fenced-in yard of his father's home Friday. Neighbors and a postal worker who heard the boy's screams rushed to the scene.

The boy's father, Roddie Philip Dumas Sr., 29, and his girlfriend, were inside the house but did not come outside until the dogs had already severely injured the boy, officials said.

"One had him on his neck. Two had him on the side. And one had him on the leg," said Edward Threatt, a neighbor. "They were pulling on him just like you do a rag doll."

A letter carrier threw his mailbag and then a wooden block at the dogs, which then ran away, Threatt said. But neighbors and police said the father then came outside and told the letter carrier to get off his property.

The boy was taken to a hospital, where he died.

After searching Dumas' home, police charged him with drug and firearms felonies.

Prosecutors were considering additional charges ranging from child neglect to murder, although a murder charge is rare in such cases. Police said they want to find out why the boy was unsupervised and whether the adults in the house heard him cry for help.

Dumas was in jail Saturday on a $233,000 bond. A message at the jail referred callers to a Web site and it was unclear whether Dumas had legal representation.

Animal control officers seized the four dogs. It was not clear whether the dogs have a history of violent behavior.

[Latrinsorm]

Maybe it's just stupid people don't make good owners.

[Sweets]

Charge the man with murder and child neglect...child abuse and anything else under the law that applies.

That poor little boy. The terror he must of felt makes me want to weep.

If i was that mailman I would have nailed the father with the mail bag.

[Chadj]

Originally posted by RangerD1
If i was that mailman I would have nailed the father with the mail bag.


:clap: true.

[Edaarin]

Originally posted by Atlanteax
After searching Dumas' home, police charged him with drug and firearms felonies.


The thread would probably be better entitled, "Why crackheads don't make good fathers."

[Praefection]

That's a hard choice. Pit bulls bred by authorized breeders who know what the fuck they are doing. (By this I mean people who are raising them to be pets, not fighting dogs with those kind of instincts.) If they are owned by people who know about dogs is one thing. Pits bred by the local drug dealers to be fighting dogs that ARE violent and kept their friends are another. I honestly don't think animals are bad. It's the people who make them the way they are. There is almost always a cause that sets them off, even accidently.

I feel horrible for that little boy and I think the dad should be shot. How could he NOT hear his child more than likely not screaming for his life? Sickening.

[Hulkein]

The owner had illegal drugs and firearms... His first reaction to this was to yell at the mailman for being on his property.

Another reason why ignorant people on the subject of dogs should realize it's the type of owner who raises the dogs, not the dogs.

[Edited on 4-17-2004 by Hulkein]

[J-Tech]

I think pitbulls are kick ass dogs, i'd own one if i had a house...tho with that type of dog i'd get it as new born puppy (well as soon as they can be taken from there mothers) because thats the way you gotta own a pitbull.

J.T.

[Mint]

Chihauhas/poodles/all little yappy dogs > pit bulls

[Chadj]

damn omens, thats a nice Mastiff... I've never seen one before now. I have a boxer, which is half mastiff.. damn, they look alike.

Yeah... a pitbull ripped my older brother's face off a little while back. I hate them

[TheEschaton]

Small yippy dogs are worse than cats. Cats may be the devil, but at least they're frickin' quiet!


-TheE-

[Sean]

I had a pitt bull. It was a the sweetest dog ever. Does it have the potential to be vicious? Maybe. But so do all dogs. I agree with the blame the stupid owners no the animals.

[peam]

Stupid owners indeed.

I'm pretty sure either Labradors or Golden Retrievers take home the reward for the highest percentage of dog bites. Pitbulls just tend to attact less than desirable owners, and they incite media frenzy.

[Shari]

I myself would never own a pitbull for various reasons. But I fully agree...stupid owners are the result of animals like that. Abuse, leglect, and lack of discipline is what creates animals like that. It is sad and disgusting, and that father SHOULD be charged with child neglect, that's bullshit.

[Vesi]

We used to own three full grown chows and even though they were all really sweet, I would have never let my daughter be out there with them alone. I'm sure there's the possibility that the little boy wandered out there without his father knowing... but reading the attitude that he had with the mailman makes me think he probably didn't know or care his child was out there. Poor little boy... so sad.

Vesi

[MPSorc]

sorry pieces of crap should be put in prison in general populace and announce over loudspeaker that he through neglect allowed his son to be brutally killed, im sure after a few ass rapings someone would end up giving this guy the justice he deserves.

I haven an idea. They should bring the father over to my house and let him play in the backyard with my Pit's and Mastiff's.
And then pick the pieces of him up and put'm in a box somewhere to rott. Or just feed'm to the snakes.

Crackhead dad.

Feeding him to the burmese or Old E would be too easy. Your iggy could tail whip the shit out of the poor bastard and prolong his death longer instead.

[Souzy]

I had a red nose pit. He was friggin' sweet and so damn cute. It's all on how you raise it. They're aggressive dogs though, but I had mine since he was weaned, so he was not so aggressive, but over protective. So if he felt like you was hurting me, damn right he'd lock jaw on yo' ass. I had to give him away cos I moved. :(

Anyway, the kids parents are total fuck ups, not to even pay attention to the childs cry. I'm sure that kid must've been screaming loud enough for the whole state to hear. Stupid fucktards, I hope they rot in jail.

[Caiylania]

That is messed up. I totally agree that it was the father's fault. Properly trained well treated loved dogs don't just tear apart children.

I have a half boxer half german shepard dog that adores my daughter and would die to protect her. Kiara fell off the couch onto Ayla and hurt our dog, what did Ayla do? Crawl into Kiara's lap licking her face, worried about the baby!

Ayla regularly has doggy play dates with two Italian Mastiffs (Corsos) that are HUGE. A few women have no trouble controlling any of these dogs. We tell them to stop, come, chill, whatever, they listen. NO ONE worries our dogs are going to kill anyone because they all show how much they adore people.

Yet they (especially the mastiffs) easily outwiegh us puny humans.

And I have known many pit bulls just as sweet and well trained/behaved.

[Edited on 4-17-2004 by Caiylania]

I think the "longest" canine is an Irish Wolfhound. Could be wrong though...

[SpunGirl]

I knew some people when I was a kid who had a dog that was 1/2 irish wolfhound and 1/2 great dane. He was a cool dog, and HUGE. Another friend of mine had a malamute (sp?) which I'd love to get when we move into a house.

Does anyone know anything about Bernaise Mt. Dogs? I like them, too.

-K

[DeV]

The owner is to blame, as he is obviously irresponsible, not to mention a drug dealer and owner of illegal fire-arms.
Pit Bulls have a bad rep because of owners like this. Hell, any dog owner who doesn't properly train their dog doesnt need to be one.
My family also has owned big dogs in the past-- Chow, Labrador Retriever who never bit anyone or were viscious. And now, a Rottweiler, and a Akita--both great dogs.

[Souzy]

Caiy...your daughter is friggin' cute!

[Tendarian]

Not being a dog person i have a few questions. If its always the owners fault pit bulls go crazy then why does it always seem to be a pit bull doing the attacks? Or is it just more newsworthy when it is a pitbull? Or the type of owner who sucks is most likely gonna want a pit bull? Just curious as im pretty much clueless when it comes to dogs.

[peam]

Originally posted by Tendarian
Not being a dog person i have a few questions. If its always the owners fault pit bulls go crazy then why does it always seem to be a pit bull doing the attacks? Or is it just more newsworthy when it is a pitbull? Or the type of owner who sucks is most likely gonna want a pit bull? Just curious as im pretty much clueless when it comes to dogs.

There's a media frenzy, when a pitbull attacks. Just like there's a media frenzy when a pretty upper-class white girl disappears.

The pitbull has long had the image of being tough and an overall badass. So, you get a lot of ghetto thugzzz and general white trash who think it's the bomb shit to get a pitbull, take it home, and tie it up with a 3 foot rope in the back yard, only to never pay any attention to it ever again.

[Souzy]

I think the news air the same shit. I remember being attacked by a doberman and bit in the face. They put that damn dog to sleep cos it turned on his master. I remember my old doberman almost turning on me, then I had to put him in his place and knocked the shit out of him. I remember my old collie going nuts on my baby niece. It's not only pits, it's all animals. It's in their nature?

But, my pit was the best! Cos I raised him. So my Mookie was tame. My parents don't care for animals much, nor did my bro's and sisters who wanted those dogs. So, those dogs we had when I was younger, was never trained properly and therefore they was dumb. With pits you have to be a bit more aggressive. Mines was sweet as pie. I miss him. :(

[Edited on 4-18-2004 by Lalana]

[Tendarian]

Ahhh thanks Peam and Lalana,good info there. This is why i like cats. Even if it goes nuts it aint hurting anyone(seriously) whos taller than 4'.

[Souzy]

Originally posted by Tendarian
Ahhh thanks Peam and Lalana,good info there. This is why i like cats. Even if it goes nuts it aint hurting anyone(seriously) whos taller than 4'.

I hate cats. I remember my girls cat clawed my leg and I had jeans on, but her claws went right through my jeans. I kicked her cat across the kitchen, heh.

[Wezas]

I'm a little late to the thread, but I feel I need to put my $0.02 in.


Originally posted by Atlanteax
How many of these instances are going to happen till people realize that pitbulls do not make good pets.
But neighbors and police said the father then came outside and told the letter carrier to get off his property.

After searching Dumas' home, police charged him with drug and firearms felonies.

So what we have learned is that this "father" was not a winner from the beginning. And he probably treated his dogs like shit, and trained them to fight.

My dad owned a pitbull (it died at the ripe age of 12 and was the nicest dog I've ever met, even more so then my newfoundland. My brother has a pitbull. My sister breeds pitbulls (and has a daughter and little boy around them constantly).

Pitbulls are singled out because of their fighting capabilities. If you don't train them to be fighting dogs, they won't be. If you treat them like shit, they'll act bad. And that's true of every dog.

Personally, I've had alot more little dogs (chiauaua's, poodles, & my mom's corgi) snap at me.

[Artha]

If you looked like a chihuahua, you'd be pissed off at everyone and everything too.

[Wezas]

Tendar, part of the reason pitbulls have a bad reputation is because when they bite down their jaws lock. And it is near impossible to remove their grip (sometimes breaking the jaw is necessary). As for my opinion, see my previous post.

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by Lalana
I kicked her cat across the kitchen, heh.Moral of the story: Kick first, and don't get clawed. :saint:

Tendar, part of the reason pitbulls have a bad reputation is because when they bite down their jaws lock. And it is near impossible to remove their grip

Man, I dunno. I saw that Nigel guy get bitten by an alligator and he punched it right in the face and the bastard released its grip. Maybe the same can be excercised for vicious canines.

[Sweets]

I believe that there are dogs out there with a bigger tendency to turn aggressive than others. However, if the owner is responsible, there never seems to be a problem with that.

My father owns a King Charles Cavalier. It has to be locked in a room when Justin is around because she growls and stalks him.

A friend of mine owns a HUGE great Dane that is sweet as pie and loves to curl up with Justin. I can't wait to get the picture developed of them sleeping on the couch together.

It just goes to show you. I love my dad but he sucks at caring for his dog. He's away long hours and she hardly ever gets walked. He spoils her rotten when he is around and she isn't even house broken yet (she's a year and half). She only likes him and I. It was different when Mom was alive. She took care of the dogs but she died when Holly was a baby. I tried to convince Dad to give he up but he refused on the sake she was Mom's dog. Now I hate to admit it but she's neglected.


What would you all do in this situation?

[Edited on 4-18-2004 by Sweets]

[FinisWolf]

Originally posted by Latrinsorm
Maybe it's just stupid people don't make good owners.

Here, here!

Finiswolf

[Myshel]

I had a half chow/half rott for 14 years, she was the smartest, most vigilent dog I've ever owned. She housetrained herself and never messed in the house once except once when she was sick and then acted so ashamed we laughed. She saved two of my kids lifes, once from a german shepard and once by staying next to my 4 year old for 5 hours while he was lost, not letting anyone come close to him. She caught a burgler who tried to rob our house, not once but twice. The first guy she held for the cops by holding on to his jeans (and a piece of his ass). My kids could take food out of her mouth she was gentle with them and they were all real little then.
Did I trust her? With my life but not with others who came to my house. Whenever we had people over I put her up, especially when kids were around. I was vilgilent in watching her behavior with my kids. She ate a poodle once, so we had to be careful about keeping her in a fenced yard. She begrudingly took commands from my husband, but only happily took them from me. She was a great dog but I would never have another *guard* dog. Our house insurance was higher and we had to go to court once over her and was fined.
Now I have two chi's and am very happy with them. I still miss Teddie.

[Vestarr]

OK as silly as this is gonna sound hear me out .If every drug pusher or arms dealer or any scum for that matter had say a friggin poodle an raised them the way they raised these supposedly viciuos pits ...You would probably hear alot of people up in arms about how vicious these poodles are ...It is all in how the animal is raised ..Damn look at rooster fightin they are raised to be all agression if you stick your hand near one of there pens youre likely to come outta that with a few stitches if not a finger short .It is in all they way they are raised .Cats included i had a cat that I took from a shelter was a lil older so it was set in her ways ,she would stalk the hell outta anyone who walked near her ..leap out at the top of the stairs an almost knock you down them .(fortunately was able to finally get her to calm down)...

[Myshel]

Originally posted by Vestarr
OK as silly as this is gonna sound hear me out .If every drug pusher or arms dealer or any scum for that matter had say a friggin poodle an raised them the way they raised these supposedly viciuos pits ...You would probably hear alot of people up in arms about how vicious these poodles are ...It is all in how the animal is raised ..Damn look at rooster fightin they are raised to be all agression if you stick your hand near one of there pens youre likely to come outta that with a few stitches if not a finger short .It is in all they way they are raised .Cats included i had a cat that I took from a shelter was a lil older so it was set in her ways ,she would stalk the hell outta anyone who walked near her ..leap out at the top of the stairs an almost knock you down them .(fortunately was able to finally get her to calm down)...

This unfortunately is not quite true. Breeds have instinctional qualities bread into them. Some breeds if treated badly will become cowed with a broken spirit, not vivious. Some dogs even as puppies are fearful, they call these dogs fear biters and they can be more dangerous than dogs that are trained, because they are unpredictable. Some dogs no matter what is done to them, will be sweet and docile. I have a friend who adopted a severly abused dog, that was someone tried to train to be mean. She just wasn't so they abused her horribly. She just is a sweet dog, nothing they did to her changed her. So the nature of the dog is a big factor.
My Teddie, was never trained to be aggressive, it was her nature.

[TheEschaton]

Your dog ate a poodle?


That dog deserve(d) an award.


-TheE-

[Wezas]

Originally posted by TheEschaton
Your dog ate a poodle?


That dog deserve(d) an award.


-TheE-

BWahahaha, that's exactly what I saw that stuck out in his post. And he said it so matter-of-factly. Just kinda inserted that sentance in there.

Poodles = teh suxor

[SpunGirl]

When I was a kid, my friend Jenny's brother had a yellow lab, Sam, who ate her guinea pig, Gibba.

:cry:

-K