Just saying Hello to everyone!

[Caetul]

So, I've not played Gemstone since many, many years and recently was coaxed back to play by an old high school friend of mine whom I used to play with in the game.

I've been back as of roughly a week or so now, but that wasn't until I read up on ALOT of the changes and was explained about most of them in great detail, allowing with somewhat following the website in my spare time as time passed.

Used to visit these forums as well, but that was when they were originally hosted on the older servers I think and all that, so instead of trying to remember the name I'd use to log in with and look at posts, I opted to make this new one which directly reflects my new in-game name.

Anyhow, just thought I'd say Hi with my lowly self, say Hi in-game if you'd like or offer any sort of help which is always appreciated! Until then!

[BriarFox]

Welcome back. Give a shout if you need a hand with something.

[GS4_HappyTimez]

Hi!

Glad to have you back.

[Caetul]

Thanks.

Already have a question too as of now regarding my path.

I opted to try out Two Weapons for the more RP Flavor I want to take my character into, and was wondering which weapon bases would best be suited for this role?

I was wondering more specifically if two scimitars would be a viable option. I envision Caetul wielding some rather wicked looking blades, preferably with some curvature to them and figured they'd be a good option.......So long as they are actually viable for combat hah!

[WRoss]

hello

[Fallen]

Wish I could help, but I know next to nothing about TWC. Best of luck and welcome back.

[BriarFox]

Thanks.

Already have a question too as of now regarding my path.

I opted to try out Two Weapons for the more RP Flavor I want to take my character into, and was wondering which weapon bases would best be suited for this role?

I was wondering more specifically if two scimitars would be a viable option. I envision Caetul wielding some rather wicked looking blades, preferably with some curvature to them and figured they'd be a good option.......So long as they are actually viable for combat hah!

Scimitars will work fine. They're fast and they do decent damage. If you have a really good AGIDEX (Combined agility and dexterity bonuses), you can swing heavier weapons that do more damage (i.e. falchions or handaxes) at the minimum RT, too.

[Caetul]

Scimitars will work fine. They're fast and they do decent damage. If you have a really good AGIDEX (Combined agility and dexterity bonuses), you can swing heavier weapons that do more damage (i.e. falchions or handaxes) at the minimum RT, too.

Well right now, I'm looking at a combined bonus of 30 in the Agility and Dexterity fields.

Have yet to use anything aside from the turnip generated gear, so I'm not even sure how my roundtime would be with two scimitars.

And I assume white ora, sanctified with Clerics, also applies to Paladins?

[BriarFox]

Well right now, I'm looking at a combined bonus of 30 in the Agility and Dexterity fields.

Have yet to use anything aside from the turnip generated gear, so I'm not even sure how my roundtime would be with two scimitars

5 seconds (the minimum). Scimitars have a base speed of 4, and the TWC RT formula is (RTweapon1 + (RTweapon2 - 2) - AGIDEX modifier = RT. AGIDEX reduces RT by 1 sec for every 15 bonus starting at 8 (8, 23, 38, etc). So, 4+(4-2) - 2(23 AGIDEX) = 4. The minimum RT is 5, though, so it'll stop there. With axes (base RT 5) and your current stats, your RT would be 6. When your AGIDEX reaches 38, you could use them with the minimum RT.


And yes, paladins can use white ora.

[Androidpk]

Berserk + two weighted axes + moc = win.

[Caetul]

5 seconds (the minimum). Scimitars have a base speed of 4, and the TWC RT formula is (RTweapon1 + (RTweapon2 - 2) - AGIDEX modifier = RT. AGIDEX reduces RT by 1 sec for every 15 bonus starting at 8 (8, 23, 38, etc). So, 4+(4-2) - 2(23 AGIDEX) = 4. The minimum RT is 5, though, so it'll stop there. With axes (base RT 5) and your current stats, your RT would be 6. When your AGIDEX reaches 38, you could use them with the minimum RT.


And yes, paladins can use white ora.

Awesome, good to know. Thanks

[BriarFox]

Awesome, good to know. Thanks

And, if you're interested, I'm currently auctioning a 4x perfect cutlass (scimitar base) with acid flares. MB is 4m. It's in the auctions folder in the End of Summer auction. Heh.

[Caetul]

And, if you're interested, I'm currently auctioning a 4x perfect cutlass (scimitar base) with acid flares. MB is 4m. It's in the auctions folder in the End of Summer auction. Heh.

Something tells me, 4 million is a bit out of my league right now.

It will be a struggle to find armor, and new clothing/containers for the fellow as it is.

[BriarFox]

Something tells me, 4 million is a bit out of my league right now.

It will be a struggle to find armor, and new clothing/containers for the fellow as it is.

Well, once you figure out what you're looking for, toss up a post. Lots of people, myself included, have no problem giving away basic gear.

[Caetul]

Well, once you figure out what you're looking for, toss up a post. Lots of people, myself included, have no problem giving away basic gear.

Well, I've gone ahead and gotten the white ora blades.

As of now, I simply need some containers, although I just found a basic cloak in a box ironically enough

So I guess I just need some 2x Armor to hold me over, along with some sort of back sheaths if they still exist since he's two weapon combat and it only seems right to do haha

[BriarFox]

Well, I've gone ahead and gotten the white ora blades.

As of now, I simply need some containers, although I just found a basic cloak in a box ironically enough

So I guess I just need some 2x Armor to hold me over, along with some sort of back sheaths if they still exist since he's two weapon combat and it only seems right to do haha

Sairai sells 2x armor for 2 silvers in a shop in the Landing ... I just forget which one. Do a search on Playershops for the type of armor you want: http://pshops.lichproject.com/home/index

[Caetul]

Sairai sells 2x armor for 2 silvers in a shop in the Landing ... I just forget which one. Do a search on Playershops for the type of armor you want: http://pshops.lichproject.com/home/index

Yea, checked it. Nothing there was listed from what I gathered

[Jace Solo]

I heard her say she re-stocked the 2x armor today. So I'd double check.

Also, you're obviously a paladin and the TWC road is a tough one to start with for sure. If you'd like to post your race, stats and training plan - either here or in the paladin folder - you'll get a lot of good responses.

I know it's viable because I'm using it and just turned 42 today. Not quite to where I can use two handaxes yet because I'm a giant...but it's coming via enhancives.

So, more Q's will get your more A's...

Welcome back and good luck!

[Gsgeek]

Some alternative weapon combos to try maybe-
longsword and short sword, 2 longswords(longswords have a base -1 to rt down to 5 seconds minmium which helps), 2 short swords, handaxe or falchion and shortsword.

2 weapon combat can be fun , multi ops and 2 weapon combat is even better.

Just remember speed is key. Keep as unencumbered as possible.

[Caetul]

I heard her say she re-stocked the 2x armor today. So I'd double check.

Also, you're obviously a paladin and the TWC road is a tough one to start with for sure. If you'd like to post your race, stats and training plan - either here or in the paladin folder - you'll get a lot of good responses.

I know it's viable because I'm using it and just turned 42 today. Not quite to where I can use two handaxes yet because I'm a giant...but it's coming via enhancives.

So, more Q's will get your more A's...

Welcome back and good luck!

I'm mostly going for the TWC route with spells to simply augment his physical abilities. My path is a bit overkill right now, but I opted to use it for various reasons, one of which being I'm still on his 30 day migration period and so on.

But basically the training right now consists of achieving the following:

2x Armor
2x CM
2x Edged
2x TWC
1x PF and Dodge

Once those are met, I use the other points for things like the spell ranks, harness power. Odds are that once my migration is up, I'll be dropping my CM to 1x since it seems to do just fine for most Paladins, then work on picking up the MoC, possibly look into Ambush, and of course work more on my Lores for the bonuses.

Granted he doesn't have much in the way of secondary skills, I always envisioned him as being just a physical beast, with the ability to call upon Marlu for some extra spinach can style whoop ass. And right now, I am enjoying it so far, since it seems two weapon Paladin's are still not a common thing unless they are rather old.

And of course, people seem to already like the Half Krolvin ;)

As for the 2x Armor, if you could check and possibly snatch me up a set of doubles, that would be great since I'm at work for a long bit today and may not be able to log in at all

[ElvenFury]

Weapon|DF|Cloth|Leather|Scale|Chain|Plate|RT|Min RT|Damage Type|AvD|1|5|6|7|8|9|10|11|12|13|14|15|16|17|18|19 |20
Scimitar|DF|.375|.260|.210|.200|.165|4|5|Slashing/Piercing/Crushing|AvD|30|31|30|29|28|30|28|26|24|30|26|22|1 8|30|24|18|12
Longsword|DF|.425|.275|.225|.200|.175|4|5|Slashing/Piercing/Crushing|AvD|41|42|41|40|39|43|41|39|37|37|33|29|2 5|35|29|23|17
Handaxe|DF|.420|.300|.270|.240|.210|5|5|Slashing/Crushing|AvD|30|32|31|30|29|38|36|34|32|41|37|33|2 9|41|35|29|23
Scimitars are mechanically inferior to longswords in almost every way, and superior in none. I'm not saying that dual scimitars aren't viable, but unless your RP dictates that you be a Drizzt clone, I'd suggest you use longswords (or handaxes if you can handle the added RT).

Source: http://www.krakiipedia.org/wiki/Ohe

[Caetul]

So it seems, that with an AGIDEX bonus of currently 41, unencumbered and the like....Two Handaxes still yield a 6 second RT, without surge of strength, and before Surge I have a STR Bonus of 31 to begin with.

Any idea as to why it's 6 seconds, and not 5? Weight of the Handaxes maybe?

[Latrinsorm]

Do INV ARMOR to see if you have any armor accessories on that would bump your armor past what you are trained for.

[Caetul]

Do INV ARMOR to see if you have any armor accessories on that would bump your armor past what you are trained for.

Nope, just wearing the plain jane armor they give you at creation heh

[Latrinsorm]

I re-read the last post: if are you saying that with Surge of Strength you no longer have the 6 second roundtime, that is pretty strange. There is an off-hand weight penalty, but handaxes are only base 6 pounds and your strength is pretty high. Try this: WEIGH both handaxes about ten times and post what you see, or just swap your usual off hand with your usual fore hand.

[Caetul]

I re-read the last post: if are you saying that with Surge of Strength you no longer have the 6 second roundtime, that is pretty strange. There is an off-hand weight penalty, but handaxes are only base 6 pounds and your strength is pretty high. Try this: WEIGH both handaxes about ten times and post what you see, or just swap your usual off hand with your usual fore hand.

I'll have to do some testing more later.

I dropped the handaxes since they were just critter ones, and have been using two of my ora blades for the time being.

Both broadsword base and yielding 6 second RT as well normally without surge.

I'm going to guess the handaxe's weights were different.

[Latrinsorm]

The only other thing I can think of is that you're using AMBUSH or have an AIM set. Ora broadswords are probably 4 pounds, there's no way they should count for heavy weapon status. Try doing AIM CLEAR and just ATTACKing normally.

[Caetul]

The only other thing I can think of is that you're using AMBUSH or have an AIM set. Ora broadswords are probably 4 pounds, there's no way they should count for heavy weapon status. Try doing AIM CLEAR and just ATTACKing normally.

Never once aimed. AIM lists that I'm not aiming at anything in particular, and of course, been using the normal ATTACK version of things to swing.

You swing a white ora blade at a greater burrow orc!
AS: +130 vs DS: +53 with AvD: +33 + d100 roll: +30 = +140
... and hit for 22 points of damage!
Banged the burrow orc's left shin.
That'll raise a good welt.
You swing a white ora blade at a greater burrow orc!
AS: +116 vs DS: +52 with AvD: +33 + d100 roll: +68 = +165
... and hit for 30 points of damage!
Downward slash across the burrow orc's right thigh!
Might not scar.
The burrow orc is stunned!
Roundtime: 6 sec.
R>cman sur
You focus deep within yourself, searching for untapped sources of strength.
You feel a fair amount stronger.
>stance off
>attack
You are now in an offensive stance.
>
You swing a white ora blade at a greater burrow orc!
AS: +138 vs DS: +51 with AvD: +33 + d100 roll: +76 = +196
... and hit for 39 points of damage!
Downward slash across the burrow orc's right thigh!
Might not scar.
The burrow orc is stunned!
You swing a white ora blade at a greater burrow orc!
AS: +116 vs DS: +28 with AvD: +33 + d100 roll: +44 = +165
... and hit for 25 points of damage!
Strike pierces upper arm!
A greater burrow orc growls one last time and dies.
Roundtime: 5 sec.

Normal (Bonus) ... Enhanced (Bonus)
Strength (STR): 93 (31) ... 93 (31)
Constitution (CON): 47 (9) ... 47 (9)
Dexterity (DEX): 91 (20) ... 91 (20)
Agility (AGI): 82 (21) ... 82 (21)
Discipline (DIS): 73 (11) ... 73 (11)
Aura (AUR): 52 (1) ... 52 (1)
Logic (LOG): 80 (5) ... 80 (5)
Intuition (INT): 61 (5) ... 61 (5)
Wisdom (WIS): 82 (11) ... 82 (11)
Influence (INF): 27 (-16) ... 27 (-16)
Mana: 26 Silver: 0

[Gsgeek]

Maybe I missed it but , 3 possible issues.

One already mentioned- not being trained enough for the armor your wearing.

Second is encumbrence, which is probably the more likely cuplrit. What are you getting for the encumbrence verb? With surge reducing round time, its probably encumbrence issues, so try lightening up, getting a wizard to cast strength, using white crystals, etc. Should help.

Third might be weapon weights, if youre off hand weapon is heavier or has a higher base speed too. But you look to be using the same weapon on either hand, so thats not it probably. Just a fyi for future use if you use 2 different weapons.

[pabstblueribbon]

I'm going with bad-at-math.

berp

[Caetul]

Maybe I missed it but , 3 possible issues.

One already mentioned- not being trained enough for the armor your wearing.

Second is encumbrence, which is probably the more likely cuplrit. What are you getting for the encumbrence verb? With surge reducing round time, its probably encumbrence issues, so try lightening up, getting a wizard to cast strength, using white crystals, etc. Should help.

Third might be weapon weights, if youre off hand weapon is heavier or has a higher base speed too. But you look to be using the same weapon on either hand, so thats not it probably. Just a fyi for future use if you use 2 different weapons.

Armor usage is like 18 ranks...I'm still wearing the newbish armor that you have on when you first create, so it's not that.

Encumbrence is not an issue either, since the swings posted were in the same shot, un-encumbered.

Third, like you said weapon weight wasn't an issue as both blades weighed about 5lbs.

The only other reason that makes me think different is somehow the STR Bonus is also applied to the RT, as if swinging say One Weapon. Simply for the fact that when using SURGE, it reduces the RT back down to 5 seconds. I'm sure if I rounded up my STR bonus to reflect another +10 bonus, it may reduce the RT to 5 without Surge, I guess I can try that next and see since I have those free stat re-allocations.

Other than that, I'm stumped since the Math calculations using the TWC RT Formula were correct, it just happens that the actual result in-game is different than the outcome of the equation....6 seconds instead of 5 from the equation.

[Latrinsorm]

The only answer is that (somehow) your 4 or 5 pound blade counts as a heavy off-hand weapon for your situation, which is staggeringly weird. I think you mentioned being a half-krolvin, maybe their tables for heavy off-hand weapon were accidentally set to half-ling.

[Caetul]

The only answer is that (somehow) your 4 or 5 pound blade counts as a heavy off-hand weapon for your situation, which is staggeringly weird. I think you mentioned being a half-krolvin, maybe their tables for heavy off-hand weapon were accidentally set to half-ling.

God that would be like Simu hah!

If all else fails, I suppose I'll have to just submit a ticket for it, in hopes that someone can better explain it all to me.

That oddest thing too is my STR Bonus is 31, so with Surge it's only 39, which I assume isn't enough to break the threshold of subtracting another second of RT off which gave me the seconds...I assumed it was -1 RT for every +10 Bonus or what not, for normal OHE/Shield types.

[Dyludl D'ragade]

Hi!:D Dayko's the man for ya if ya wanna hang! lol...

[DoctorUnne]

I don't know what the exact ratio is but for every X in STR bonus you can handle a Y lb weapon in your off hand with no RT penalty. The weight of your off-hand weapon must be just high enough so that it's slightly too heavy with a 31 STR bonus but not with a 39 STR bonus.

I dealt with the problem on occasion throughout my time using two handaxes.

[Caetul]

I don't know what the exact ratio is but for every X in STR bonus you can handle a Y lb weapon in your off hand with no RT penalty. The weight of your off-hand weapon must be just high enough so that it's slightly too heavy with a 31 STR bonus but not with a 39 STR bonus.

I dealt with the problem on occasion throughout my time using two handaxes.

Yup. That was the case. Assisted about it a while back and managed to see a GM about it JUST In case. And it was indeed proven that the weight of the weapons, although the same, was causing that extra 1 second of RT in the off-hand since it was not lighter than my main hand.

[Caetul]

And as a side note, I now have Lich, woo!

And for anyone in the age bracket of 8-ten trains, I'll be on the look out for doing Warcamps soon enough, headed to Zul as we speak to enlist.