Reasons why new people probably wouldn't play

[RevenantG]

Whoever designed the combat system is extremely overzealous on trying to fuck people over, and rolls are obviously sleighted especially when it comes to maneuvers but they haven't done anything about it..check these out..

Long log of deaths getting screwed on random RT and rolls etc -

Just bored and angry enough to post this garbage..


A darkly inked fetish master claps its palms together, momentarily uniting its glowing tattoos before forcefully thrusting its hands forward toward you!
CS: +444 - TD: +331 + CvA: -21 + d100: +64 - -5 == +161
Warding failed!
Your mind goes completely blank.
Forced to stance offensive.
!UP>st
That is impossible to do while unconscious!
!UP>l
[The Rift, Scatter]
Skeletal birds circle a giant black marble statue depicting a winged demon. The earth at the feet of the statuary has been scorched of all life, both plant and animal. A reddish mist lingers in the air, ebbing and flowing like the tide over time. You also see a darkly inked fetish master and a thick membranous barrier.
Obvious paths: northwest, down
!UP>
A darkly inked fetish master snatches a skull rattle from its belt, shaking it up and down rhythmically as it emits a discordant chant that echoes abormally across the environs. It abruptly completes its ritual and stares directly at you!

A rotting post suddenly bursts from the ground, splintering into a battered wooden doll!

A rotting post suddenly bursts from the ground, splintering into a rickety wooden doll!

A rotting post suddenly bursts from the ground, splintering into a battered wooden doll!

A rotting post suddenly bursts from the ground, splintering into a rotting wooden doll!

A rotting post suddenly bursts from the ground, splintering into a rattling wooden doll!

A rotting post suddenly bursts from the ground, splintering into a rotting wooden doll!
!UP>
You awake startled as a rotting wooden doll attacks you!
A rotting wooden doll flails wildly at you with a sharpened limb!
AS: +425 vs DS: +285 with AvD: +7 + d100 roll: +69 = +216
... and hits for 15 points of damage!
Blow leaves an imprint on your chest!

** Your ebon-hued platemail flares with a burst of flame at the wooden doll! **

... 40 points of damage!
Right forearm burned clean off. At least it's cauterized.
The wooden doll is stunned!
CS: +449 - TD: +346 + CvA: -21 + d100: +5 - +5 == +82
Warded off!
!P>stanc d
A rattling wooden doll flails wildly at you with a sharpened limb!
AS: +425 vs DS: +251 with AvD: +7 + d100 roll: +62 = +243
... and hits for 16 points of damage!
Jarring blow to your back.
CS: +449 - TD: +345 + CvA: -21 + d100: +19 - +5 == +97
Warded off!
!P>
A rotting wooden doll flails wildly at you with a sharpened limb!
AS: +425 vs DS: +220 with AvD: +7 + d100 roll: +61 = +273
... and hits for 19 points of damage!
Weak slash to your lower back!
CS: +449 - TD: +342 + CvA: -21 + d100: +50 - +5 == +131
Warding failed!
As the splintery limb connects, you notice a thin, translucent ribbon of energy form between your chest and the doll's center of mass.
!P>
A battered wooden doll flails wildly at you with a sharpened limb!
AS: +425 vs DS: +189 with AvD: +7 + d100 roll: +66 = +309
... and hits for 24 points of damage!
Minor puncture to the left leg.
CS: +449 - TD: +337 + CvA: -21 + d100: +10 - +5 == +96
Warded off!
!P>
A rickety wooden doll flails wildly at you with a sharpened limb!
AS: +425 vs DS: +189 with AvD: +7 + d100 roll: +6 = +249
... and hits for 17 points of damage!
Minor strike to the neck.
CS: +449 - TD: +344 + CvA: -21 + d100: +16 - +5 == +95
Warded off!
!P>
A battered wooden doll flails wildly at you with a sharpened limb!
AS: +425 vs DS: +189 with AvD: +7 + d100 roll: +96 = +339
... and hits for 28 points of damage!
Hesitant slash to your upper right arm!
Just a scratch.
CS: +449 - TD: +333 + CvA: -21 + d100: +24 - +5 == +114
Warding failed!
As the splintery limb connects, you notice a thin, translucent ribbon of energy form between your chest and the doll's center of mass.
!P>
You are now in a defensive stance.
!P>
A darkly inked fetish master snatches a skull rattle from its belt, shaking it up and down rhythmically as it emits a discordant chant that echoes abormally across the environs. It abruptly completes its ritual and stares directly at you!

A rotting post suddenly bursts from the ground, splintering into a twisted wooden doll!

A rotting post suddenly bursts from the ground, splintering into a battered wooden doll!

A rotting post suddenly bursts from the ground, splintering into a rotting wooden doll!
>sigi of health

A rotting post suddenly bursts from the ground, splintering into a rickety wooden doll!

A rotting post suddenly bursts from the ground, splintering into a twisted wooden doll!
!P>
As you concentrate on your sigil, you feel a brief surge of vitality course throughout your body.
!P>st
>nw
You struggle, but fail to stand.
Roundtime: 8 sec.
Roundtime changed to 4 seconds.
!PR>
A twisted wooden doll flails wildly at you with a sharpened limb!
AS: +425 vs DS: +192 with AvD: +7 + d100 roll: +78 = +318
... and hits for 23 points of damage!
Blow raises a welt on your left arm.

** Your ebon-hued platemail flares with a burst of flame at the wooden doll! **

... 35 points of damage!
Right leg horribly scorched. Won't be usable for weeks.
A twisted wooden doll falls to the ground grasping its mangled right leg!
The wooden doll is stunned!
CS: +449 - TD: +338 + CvA: -21 + d100: +10 - +5 == +95
Warded off!
!PR>
A rickety wooden doll flails wildly at you with a sharpened limb!
AS: +425 vs DS: +189 with AvD: +7 + d100 roll: +36 = +279
... and hits for 20 points of damage!
Minor puncture to the left arm.
CS: +449 - TD: +341 + CvA: -21 + d100: +21 - +5 == +103
Warding failed!
As the splintery limb connects, you notice a thin, translucent ribbon of energy form between your chest and the doll's center of mass.
!PR>
A rotting wooden doll flails wildly at you with a sharpened limb!
Lying flat on your back, you barely deflect the blow with your aegis!
!PR>l
A battered wooden doll flails wildly at you with a sharpened limb!
...wait 4 seconds.
AS: +425 vs DS: +189 with AvD: +7 + d100 roll: +58 = +301
... and hits for 23 points of damage!
You hear a buzzing in your ears from that blow!
CS: +449 - TD: +338 + CvA: -21 + d100: +9 - +5 == +94
Warded off!
!PR>
A twisted wooden doll flails wildly at you with a sharpened limb!
AS: +425 vs DS: +189 with AvD: +7 + d100 roll: +5 = +248
... and hits for 18 points of damage!
Stomach shot lands with a hollow *thump*.

** Your ebon-hued platemail flares with a burst of flame at the wooden doll! **

... 25 points of damage!
Flames burn hole in chest exposing ribs!
The wooden doll is stunned!
CS: +449 - TD: +343 + CvA: -21 + d100: +41 - +5 == +121
Warding failed!
As the splintery limb connects, you notice a thin, translucent ribbon of energy form between your chest and the doll's center of mass.
!PR>
[The Rift, Scatter]
Skeletal birds circle a giant black marble statue depicting a winged demon. The earth at the feet of the statuary has been scorched of all life, both plant and animal. A reddish mist lingers in the air, ebbing and flowing like the tide over time. You also see a twisted wooden doll that appears stunned, a rickety wooden doll, a rotting wooden doll, a battered wooden doll, a twisted wooden doll that appears stunned, a rotting wooden doll that appears stunned, a rattling wooden doll, a rotting wooden doll, a battered wooden doll, a rickety wooden doll, a battered wooden doll, a darkly inked fetish master and a thick membranous barrier.
Obvious paths: northwest, down
!PR>
A rattling wooden doll flails wildly at you with a sharpened limb!
AS: +425 vs DS: +189 with AvD: +7 + d100 roll: +78 = +321
... and hits for 25 points of damage!
Slash to your right leg hits high!
Kinda makes your knees weak, huh?
CS: +449 - TD: +336 + CvA: -21 + d100: +35 - +5 == +122
Warding failed!
As the splintery limb connects, you notice a thin, translucent ribbon of energy form between your chest and the doll's center of mass.
>sigi of health
!PR>
A rotting wooden doll flails wildly at you with a sharpened limb!
AS: +425 vs DS: +189 with AvD: +7 + d100 roll: +100 = +343
... and hits for 30 points of damage!
Feint to the left goes astray as you dodge!
Deep gouge to your back!
CS: +449 - TD: +331 + CvA: -21 + d100: +9 - +5 == +101
Warding failed!
As the splintery limb connects, you notice a thin, translucent ribbon of energy form between your chest and the doll's center of mass.
!PR>
A battered wooden doll flails wildly at you with a sharpened limb!
AS: +425 vs DS: +189 with AvD: +7 + d100 roll: +8 = +251
... and hits for 18 points of damage!
Awkward slash to your stomach!
Everyone needs another belly button.
CS: +449 - TD: +343 + CvA: -21 + d100: +100 - +5 == +180
Warding failed!
As the splintery limb connects, you notice a thin, translucent ribbon of energy form between your chest and the doll's center of mass.
!PR>
A rickety wooden doll flails wildly at you with a sharpened limb!
AS: +425 vs DS: +189 with AvD: +7 + d100 roll: +23 = +266
... and hits for 20 points of damage!
Blow leaves an imprint on your chest!
CS: +449 - TD: +341 + CvA: -21 + d100: +74 - +5 == +156
Warding failed!
As the splintery limb connects, you notice a thin, translucent ribbon of energy form between your chest and the doll's center of mass.
!PR>
A battered wooden doll flails wildly at you with a sharpened limb!
AS: +425 vs DS: +189 with AvD: +7 + d100 roll: +70 = +313
... and hits for 22 points of damage!
Quick slash to your upper right arm!
Just a nick
You feel slightly weakened as the blood in your veins thins.
The powerful look leaves you.
The shimmering aura fades from around you.
The faint blue glow fades from around your hands.
Your boosted confidence and fearlessness fade.
You feel your abilities diminish as the energy provided by your patron fades from around you.
The subdued warmth embracing you fades along with the spiritual force surrounding your arms.
The light blue glow leaves you.
The deep blue glow leaves you.
The pleasantly warm sensation fades as your heartbeat begins to return to normal.
You lose a bit of focus as the knowledge of future battles drifts from your mind.
A faint silvery glow fades from around you.
Your sharp concentration upon your current task falters as the pain of your injuries rushes back into your mind.

It seems you have died, my friend. Although you cannot do anything, you are keenly aware of what is going on around you...

You mentally give a sigh of relief as you remember that the Goddess Lorminstra owes you a favor.

...departing in 26 mins...
DEAD>
You are rather dead.

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[ Haste: +0:01:07, 0:01:07 remaining. (imbed) ]
>feint witch
>feint witch
A Grimswarm orc witch gestures at you!
CS: +415 - TD: +364 + CvA: -21 + d100: +87 == +117
Warding failed!
You feel a surge of intense energy suddenly tear violently at your body! You feel drained!
... and hits for 10 points of damage!
... 5 points of damage!
Minor burns to chest. That hurts a bit.
... 30 points of damage!
Boiling water would feel better than this!
You are stunned for 5 rounds!
... 50 points of damage!
Electrical shock overloads your nervous system! Quite fatal.
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Your sharp concentration upon your current task falters as the pain of your injuries rushes back into your mind.

A Grimswarm troll fighter's flesh wounds regenerate slowly.
[Roll result: 167 (open d100: 78)]
A Grimswarm troll fighter hurls itself at you and connects!
A Grimswarm troll fighter pins you to the ground!

Roundtime: 14 sec.
Roundtime changed to 9 seconds.
PR>
...wait 9 seconds.
PR>
...wait 9 seconds.
PR>
In an awe inspiring display of combat mastery, a Grimswarm troll warrior engages you in a furious dance macabre, spiralling into a blur of strikes and ripostes!
A Grimswarm troll warrior swings a morning star at you!
AS: +431 vs DS: +243 with AvD: +19 + d100 roll: +48 = +255
... and hits for 25 points of damage!
Torn muscle in your left leg!

** Your ebon-hued platemail flares with a burst of flame at the troll warrior! **

... 30 points of damage!
Nasty burns to left leg. Gonna need lots of butter.
It is knocked to the ground!
The troll warrior screeches loudly as the fire scorches her skin!
... 25 points of damage!
Burst of flames to right arm toasts skin to elbows.


A Grimswarm troll warrior swings a morning star at you!
AS: +381 vs DS: +243 with AvD: +19 + d100 roll: +17 = +174
... and hits for 13 points of damage!
You hear a buzzing in your ears from that blow!

A Grimswarm troll warrior swings a morning star at you!
AS: +381 vs DS: +239 with AvD: +19 + d100 roll: +75 = +236
... and hits for 19 points of damage!
Blow raises a welt on your right arm.

A Grimswarm troll warrior swings a morning star at you!
AS: +381 vs DS: +239 with AvD: +19 + d100 roll: +89 = +250
... and hits for 24 points of damage!
Torn muscle in your right leg!

!PR>
A Grimswarm troll scourge gestures and utters a phrase of magic.
!PR>sigi of escape confirm
A Grimswarm troll warrior's flesh wounds regenerate slowly.
A Grimswarm troll warrior's left leg regenerates and looks fully healed.

A Grimswarm troll warrior thrusts with a lance at you!
AS: +440 vs DS: +222 with AvD: +32 + d100 roll: +73 = +323
... and hits for 48 points of damage!
Nice shot to the head gouges your cheek!
You are stunned for 2 rounds!
!SPR>
You can not muster enough stamina to use that sigil!
!SPR>
A Grimswarm troll scourge gestures mystically!
A Grimswarm troll scourge closes his eyes in deep concentration...

An echo of foreign thought brushes your mind.
CS: +429 - TD: +385 + CvA: -21 + d100: +84 - +5 == +102
Warding failed!
You are overwhelmed with sympathy for a Grimswarm troll scourge.
!SPR>
A Grimswarm troll fighter's flesh wounds regenerate slowly.
A Grimswarm troll fighter stands up with a grunt.
!SPR>bese
...wait 1 seconds.
!SP>bese
You remain steadfast in your goal of defending a Grimswarm troll scourge.
!SP>
A Grimswarm troll skirmisher thrusts with a rapier at you!
AS: +452 vs DS: +254 with AvD: -3 + d100 roll: +94 = +289
... and hits for 8 points of damage!
Talk about a close shave!
That was too close.
!SP>crawl pat
You are still stunned.
!SP>
You begin to feel less sympathic.
!SP>
A Grimswarm troll scourge gestures and utters a phrase of magic.
!SP>
A Grimswarm troll warrior's flesh wounds regenerate slowly.
A Grimswarm troll warrior's back regenerates and looks fully healed.

In an awe inspiring display of combat mastery, a Grimswarm troll warrior engages you in a furious dance macabre, spiralling into a blur of strikes and ripostes!
A Grimswarm troll warrior thrusts with a lance at you!
AS: +440 vs DS: +254 with AvD: +32 + d100 roll: +41 = +259
... and hits for 38 points of damage!
Strike to the chest breaks a rib!

A Grimswarm troll warrior thrusts with a lance at you!
AS: +440 vs DS: +254 with AvD: +32 + d100 roll: +29 = +247
... and hits for 33 points of damage!
Bones in right arm crack.
The white light leaves you.

[Parker]

You're soloing in the Scatter. You also seemed like you're encumbered, and based on wearing plate and your knocked down DS, I'd say you're probably a warrior.

Get used to it. The Scatter's the hardest place to hunt in the game. Shit goes bad there fast.

[Sam]

41 d100 rolls... the average roll is 45. crazy!

[unconcerned1]

!P>
You are now in a defensive stance.
!P>
!P>st
>nw
You struggle, but fail to stand.
Roundtime: 8 sec.
Roundtime changed to 4 seconds.


Try guarded, never try to stand in defensive. Most of the time the problem is operator error.

[peam]

QQ

[RevenantG]

You're cleverly overlooking that once they're getting off something deadly (which is extremely rare for me, might happen once an hour in a warcamp while being in there the whole time), the roll is always high and in just the right times..doesn't seem very random to me, and I can dig out a lot more logs than just those

An echo of foreign thought brushes your mind.
CS: +429 - TD: +385 + CvA: -21 + d100: +84 - +5 == +102
Warding failed!
You are overwhelmed with sympathy for a Grimswarm troll scourge.

A Grimswarm orc witch gestures at you!
CS: +415 - TD: +364 + CvA: -21 + d100: +87 == +117

Aside from that, I shouldn't have to defend against an infinite amount of dolls with no cast time in between

[RevenantG]

I don't think I'm really crying or quitting about anything dude..it's a complaints folder

[Parker]

There's no infinite number of rolls. The number of rolls is dictated by similar rules to what the player character has to deal with.

Also, how the hell does this apply to a new player? If someone were to start playing today, they wouldn't likely see the scatter for at LEAST two years.

Stop crying. You're hunting the most dangerous grounds in the game, and you're upset because you're getting stomped when you messed things up. Bring a friend from now on.

Edit: I cannot spell. It's early.

[Buckwheet]

The problem is that you are choosing to solo Scatter and it looks like solo warcamps.

For every shot you post showing such a horribly low DS and TD, people are going to point this out.

An Ithzir janissary swings a spiral-hafted crystal-edged handaxe at you!
AS: +423 vs DS: +732 with AvD: +33 + d100 roll: +35 = -241
A clean miss.

I could probably do scatter, but the security that comes from OTF is not worth the frustration you are going through now. Not to mention there are some really nasty logs of warriors going berserk in a warcamp and blowing it to hell.

[RevenantG]

it's still based on the same principles, one spell or ability goes down and they're all over you likes flies on shit..I'm talking about dolls, not rolls..the stupid master just casts as many dolls as it wants with no cast time in between

[Parker]

There's an internal cooldown as I understand it. I believe his doll-creation is done in groups, so it's technically one cast, or one round of RT.

Avoid Masters, and if you can't, kill them first.

[Sam]

So the hardest area in the game is too hard for solo hunting without the risk of death? If that doesn't deter new players from staying, I don't know what will.

[RevenantG]

huh? that has nothing to do with risk of death

[RevenantG]

there was no space for user input between me and the master casting an inordinate amount of dolls until I was dead

[Parker]

It has everything to do with it. You don't remember the countless times the rolls went your way because they just go by without effect. And Brute helped right along by showing you that you actually BEAT the odds, getting an average endroll of 45 out of your enemies, rather than the statistically perfect 50.

You're upset because you died twice hunting a place you shouldn't be hunting alone. It's not designed for it, and you're ASKING for things like that to happen.

You get stunned, and all of a sudden all the things that normally don't hit you are hitting you, and you suddenly feel like it's unrandom. You just changed the parameters, and now you're not faring as well. It has nothing to do with the game being weighted against you.

[Sam]

You could have went offensive and stood up, or just crawled away.

[Parker]

there was no space for user input between me and the master casting an inordinate amount of dolls until I was dead


That's why it's important to bring another person. If they can't handle the master on their own, at least they act as a buffer so that some of the attacks and maneuvers and spells aren't directed at you, keeping you locked in.

[RevenantG]

I had no reason to think that I needed to go offense, it shouldn't be able to keep casting that over and over again

[Parker]

Wow.

That's what it boils down to? You think new players won't play the game because one extreme-end-game critter casts dolls as part of it's repertoire.

Dude, you are awesome.

[RevenantG]

Seems like you really like to twist things I never said into bogus rationalizations, cute

[Sam]

Reasons why new people probably wouldn't play
The title of your thread... even though your anger stems from something no new player will see for at least 2 years.



Whoever designed the combat system is extremely overzealous on trying to fuck people over, and rolls are obviously sleighted especially when it comes to maneuvers but they haven't done anything about it

The rolls look pretty random.. If anything they're on the low end.



Long log of deaths getting screwed on random RT and rolls etc -


The RT isn't random. It's combat related. You're not hunting in the catacombs here. What do you expect?


I had no reason to think that I needed to go offense, it shouldn't be able to keep casting that over and over again

If you're hunting the scatter and don't realize that being in an offensive stance helps you stand better, the problem definitely isn't the game.


We all die on occasion due to events we couldn't do anything about.
You died because:
1) you didn't stand smartly or crawl away
2) you delayed your feint by 3 seconds due to using a haste imbed
3) you got tackled fairly and have a crappy DS

[RevenantG]

Nope..if I went offense I wouldn't have had enough time to move before the dolls would have attacked me again and I would have gotten hit harder. Most people know that you need to have haste on or a minimum of 3 RT to even function in warcamps..the one cast they get off (because haste ran out) happens to be a death crit on an 87 roll. Extremely overzealous system. I'm sure if I had feinted the witch without haste, I would have gotten nailed with a maneuver and died by the same cast.

Combat Maneuvers...................| 282 182
Dodging............................| 302 202
Shield Use.........................| 302 202

Spell Lists
Minor Spirit.......................| 20

Spell Lists
Paladin............................| 35

crappy setup maybe but not a crappy DS

[RevenantG]

Just seems like a bunch of people sucking each other's dicks to me..lol..all I did was post a mechanics complaint, I could really care less..I knew this board would be one of the few places to criticize someone for something like that, making it all to easy to BRING ME TO REASON #2 why new people wouldn't want to play..a completely shitty, and snooty player base obsessed with a dick-sucking contest between themselves and GM's and whoever else..if anything I would quit because of the shitty player base and not complaints about mechanics and have been thinking of quitting because of this for a long time. The game is actually good but it's been ruined by idiots

[Buckwheet]

I am really not trying to put you down. But where the scatter is located the fact you don't have 202 CM and only have 55 spells total means you probably shouldn't be in there yet.

Scatter is usually considered a "post cap" location. You are missing some core skills for a paladin to be post cap.

[RevenantG]

I would get 10 more DS from the CM and an even more negligible amount from the spells, not to mention I usually solo it easily, and do 500 sized warcamps by myself in an hour and a half....it gets old when it seems like the opposition will go to the greatest lengths possible to try to capitalize on the smallest coincidential things, when you've already covered 499 out of 500 possible coincidential things..gross exaggeration

[Sam]

So basically you feel you should be invincible?

[Bobmuhthol]

I haven't done this because I don't want to right now but a few stochastic things to consider:

The average roll should be 50.5, since it should be a uniform distribution from 1 to 100. On that note, you should also check that the distribution is actually uniform. Averages don't really mean anything once you start hitting bimodal distributions. The real test is whether the rolls are actually being spread out evenly.

But I also want to make it very clear that there is definitely no mechanism in place that says "I think this guy is about to get fucked, so I'll increase the rolls against him and make sure it happens." That's you being a human and not understanding numbers.

[Buckwheet]

Well then I don't know what you are doing differently then me on my paladin.

My Paladin in defensive:

You swing a closed fist at XXX!
AS: -33 vs DS: +734 with AvD: -23 + d100 roll: +57 = -733
A clean miss.
Roundtime: 3 sec.
Roundtime changed to 1 second.

Offensive:

You swing a closed fist at XXX!
AS: -33 vs DS: +472 with AvD: -23 + d100 roll: +44 = -484
A clean miss.
Roundtime: 3 sec.
Roundtime changed to 1 second.

And this is without imbeds.

You swing a closed fist at XXX!
AS: +10 vs DS: +571 with AvD: -23 + d100 roll: +66 = -518
A clean miss.
Roundtime: 3 sec

With 202,303,310 in offensive.

With a 303, 310, 202 in defensive.
You swing a closed fist at XXX!
AS: +10 vs DS: +833 with AvD: -23 + d100 roll: +38 = -808
A clean miss.
Roundtime: 3 sec.
Roundtime changed to 1 second.

[RevenantG]

My numbers are about the same..I don't see why you'd post stuff like that without doing the actual data..in the first example, I'm unconscious, self-spelled, and in offensive laying down with an MOC pushdown from 10+ attacks, in the 2nd I'm laying down in offensive and getting mstriked with wounds (sigil of determination ran out right before the tackle, mstrike, stun, sympathy combo)

-------- swings a closed fist at you!
AS: +15 vs DS: +445 with AvD: -23 + d100 roll: +53 = -400

that's in offensive, 5x shield, 5x plate, only self-spelled and wizard spells (but no 414) and no ranger, or anything else

You swing a closed fist at -------
AS: +15 vs DS: +720 with AvD: -23 + d100 roll: +17 = -711
A clean miss.
Roundtime: 3 sec.
Roundtime changed to 1 second.

same spells in defensive

[Sam]

..I usually solo it [scatter] easily, and do 500 sized warcamps by myself in an hour and a half...

But you want things made easier? Then where would Droit hunt for a challenge?

[Buckwheet]

Here is my point:

I am only 1x dodging and I have almost 30DS on you in offensive. Regardless if you are prone or not.

With a few easily obtainable spells, we are miles apart. Why you are not using them I have no clue.

My second point is: I don't hunter the scatter yet, because I know it is above me training wise.

So quit crying and go to where you can actually perform. You said yourself you easily perform in warcamps, yet you showed clips of them owning you.

So if you can't do warcamps, and you can't do scatter, I suggest OTF or Nelemar.

I have less XP then you do, I have much less defensive training then you do, and I find OTF to be autopilot mode. So maybe you should be there for your ease of hunting expeditions?

I run around in OTF with the offensive DS and higher than what you see posted with the 303, 310, 202 post. So you can do the same and you are just choosing to be somewhere where you can't.

[Jace Solo]

not to mention I usually solo it easily, and do 500 sized warcamps by myself in an hour and a half....

The greatthing about GS is that it's a lot more like a life combat situation than most other games. What you got hit with a claid in the face with only a small end-roll? And it spilled your brain matter everywhere?

That happens to the best players.

If anyone should QQ, Achilles got low rolled on the heel, the fucking heel!! You heard Jim QQ?

I understand how that could be frustrating but when it happens to you once in a blue moon...gawd, think about how these monsters feel when you feint them, stun them, leg them...keeeeeel them all while their stuck in RT.

Woo...just saying. No dick sucking going on but maybe...kids won't enjoy that because everyone sucks their dicks now adays. Teachers, parents, presidents...there's no need to work or try harder than you really want to. We'll make the system work for you if you continue to stay in school/not whine/vote for us.

When does no one appreciate rewards come from hard work, and no one should be handed shit lest they had a limb or something blown off while doing work? Certainly not for having more kids or being a whiny kid.

Not saying you are. Pretty sure I like you Rev, more just ranting on how ridiculous this sounds.

[Parker]

The greatthing about GS is that it's a lot more like a life combat situation than most other games. What you got hit with a claid in the face with only a small end-roll? And it spilled your brain matter everywhere?

That happens to the best players.

If anyone should QQ, Achilles got low rolled on the heel, the fucking heel!! You heard Jim QQ?

I understand how that could be frustrating but when it happens to you once in a blue moon...gawd, think about how these monsters feel when you feint them, stun them, leg them...keeeeeel them all while their stuck in RT.

Woo...just saying. No dick sucking going on but maybe...kids won't enjoy that because everyone sucks their dicks now adays. Teachers, parents, presidents...there's no need to work or try harder than you really want to. We'll make the system work for you if you continue to stay in school/not whine/vote for us.

When does no one appreciate rewards come from hard work, and no one should be handed shit lest they had a limb or something blown off while doing work? Certainly not for having more kids or being a whiny kid.

Not saying you are. Pretty sure I like you Rev, more just ranting on how ridiculous this sounds.

This left me confused.

[RevenantG]

Buckwheet - I'm not even going to bother replying to that nonsense

[StrayRogue]

So a player wouldn't play because the FINAL area of the game is too hard for this chump?

lawl.

[Buckwheet]

Buckwheet - I'm not even going to bother replying to that nonsense

Yet you did.

[Toadkin]

the roll is always high and in just the right times..doesn't seem very random to me, and I can dig out a lot more logs than just those


You're experiencing a human tendency called confirmation bias. It's why personal anecdotes are considered a terrible source of data.

[Fallen]

I'm headed to the scatter tomorrowish for the first time. Should be interesting.

[peam]

I'm headed to the scatter tomorrowish for the first time. Should be interesting.

Don't come back here crying giant pussy tears all over us. Shit, I wouldn't even recommend you head up there. YOU MAY QUIT THE GAME!

[RichardCranium]

I was thinking about coming back to Prime but fuck that, end-game looks hard.

[droit]

A rotting wooden doll flails wildly at you with a sharpened limb!
AS: +425 vs DS: +220 with AvD: +7 + d100 roll: +61 = +273
... and hits for 19 points of damage!
Weak slash to your lower back!
CS: +449 - TD: +342 + CvA: -21 + d100: +50 - +5 == +131
Warding failed!
As the splintery limb connects, you notice a thin, translucent ribbon of energy form between your chest and the doll's center of mass.

A battered wooden doll flails wildly at you with a sharpened limb!
AS: +425 vs DS: +189 with AvD: +7 + d100 roll: +96 = +339
... and hits for 28 points of damage!
Hesitant slash to your upper right arm!
Just a scratch.
CS: +449 - TD: +333 + CvA: -21 + d100: +24 - +5 == +114
Warding failed!
As the splintery limb connects, you notice a thin, translucent ribbon of energy form between your chest and the doll's center of mass.

A rickety wooden doll flails wildly at you with a sharpened limb!
AS: +425 vs DS: +189 with AvD: +7 + d100 roll: +36 = +279
... and hits for 20 points of damage!
Minor puncture to the left arm.
CS: +449 - TD: +341 + CvA: -21 + d100: +21 - +5 == +103
Warding failed!
As the splintery limb connects, you notice a thin, translucent ribbon of energy form between your chest and the doll's center of mass.

A twisted wooden doll flails wildly at you with a sharpened limb!
AS: +425 vs DS: +189 with AvD: +7 + d100 roll: +5 = +248
... and hits for 18 points of damage!
Stomach shot lands with a hollow *thump*.

** Your ebon-hued platemail flares with a burst of flame at the wooden doll! **

... 25 points of damage!
Flames burn hole in chest exposing ribs!
The wooden doll is stunned!
CS: +449 - TD: +343 + CvA: -21 + d100: +41 - +5 == +121
Warding failed!
As the splintery limb connects, you notice a thin, translucent ribbon of energy form between your chest and the doll's center of mass.

A rattling wooden doll flails wildly at you with a sharpened limb!
AS: +425 vs DS: +189 with AvD: +7 + d100 roll: +78 = +321
... and hits for 25 points of damage!
Slash to your right leg hits high!
Kinda makes your knees weak, huh?
CS: +449 - TD: +336 + CvA: -21 + d100: +35 - +5 == +122
Warding failed!
As the splintery limb connects, you notice a thin, translucent ribbon of energy form between your chest and the doll's center of mass.

A rotting wooden doll flails wildly at you with a sharpened limb!
AS: +425 vs DS: +189 with AvD: +7 + d100 roll: +100 = +343
... and hits for 30 points of damage!
Feint to the left goes astray as you dodge!
Deep gouge to your back!
CS: +449 - TD: +331 + CvA: -21 + d100: +9 - +5 == +101
Warding failed!
As the splintery limb connects, you notice a thin, translucent ribbon of energy form between your chest and the doll's center of mass.

A battered wooden doll flails wildly at you with a sharpened limb!
AS: +425 vs DS: +189 with AvD: +7 + d100 roll: +8 = +251
... and hits for 18 points of damage!
Awkward slash to your stomach!
Everyone needs another belly button.
CS: +449 - TD: +343 + CvA: -21 + d100: +100 - +5 == +180
Warding failed!
As the splintery limb connects, you notice a thin, translucent ribbon of energy form between your chest and the doll's center of mass.

A rickety wooden doll flails wildly at you with a sharpened limb!
AS: +425 vs DS: +189 with AvD: +7 + d100 roll: +23 = +266
... and hits for 20 points of damage!
Blow leaves an imprint on your chest!
CS: +449 - TD: +341 + CvA: -21 + d100: +74 - +5 == +156
Warding failed!
As the splintery limb connects, you notice a thin, translucent ribbon of energy form between your chest and the doll's center of mass.


Know what's awesome? Even if you had managed to cast a mass spell like Judgement, each of the above dolls that you hit for any sort of damage would have made a retributive strike to you on the same body part on which you damaged them, thus blowing you to kingdom-come.

Welcome to the Scatter! The QQ tissues are kept stocked in the sandy pack.

[Fallen]

Don't come back here crying giant pussy tears all over us. Shit, I wouldn't even recommend you head up there. YOU MAY QUIT THE GAME!

Be nice. I'm sensitive and shit.

[Asha]

Fallen if you're going as Evarin you're going to get fucked. It's not for pures.

[Fallen]

Fallen if you're going as Evarin you're going to get fucked. It's not for pures.

Eh, i'm not some bow wielding sissy. We'll see how it goes.

[Latrinsorm]

But I also want to make it very clear that there is definitely no mechanism in place that says "I think this guy is about to get fucked, so I'll increase the rolls against him and make sure it happens."It's amazing how many people across MMOs believe that the rolls are weighted by situation. How do people sustain that kind of persecution complex?

[Spooky]

Latrinsorm, you are a very smart man. I've always enjoyed reading your posts. Keep it up.

[RevenantG]

Anyway, my point is the system is cheap and it's better to die a decent death than walking into a room with a loaded cloud, or walking in while injured, and having some creature ready to mstrike you with a claidh, which always seems to happen to me and that seems like more than a coincidence. The number of times I died due to cheap crap seems to be a lot more than user error. It might not be someone "pressing a button" to kill me but that doesn't mean it's not programmed cheaply. Guess I'll go quit the game now..

[JHarris]

Anyway, my point is the system is cheap and it's better to die a decent death than walking into a room with a loaded cloud, or walking in while injured, and having some creature ready to mstrike you with a claidh, which always seems to happen to me and that seems like more than a coincidence. The number of times I died due to cheap crap seems to be a lot more than user error. It might not be someone "pressing a button" to kill me but that doesn't mean it's not programmed cheaply. Guess I'll go quit the game now..

Why are you walking into rooms injured when you could easily eat a few herbs or throw on sigil of determination? You have no excuse for that falling - your logs show you are using lich and thus you could easily refresh it.

You also made a comment that everyone knows you have to use haste in warcamps. I don't. I go sit in the treasure hut and easily maneuver the 2-3 grimswarm that come in at a time. Its really not that hard. The only reason I need haste in a warcamp is if I am in a group and want to get more of the boxes at the end. Otherwise, you just have to be smart with your tactics.

Why did a fetish master cast at you in the first place? That's your fault. Oh, I'm sure you'll tell me it walked in when you were in RT or something. But the truth is, you let it cast at you, and that's why you died. Why did the warrior tackle you? Again, you let it. You didn't prioritize killing or disabling it, and consequently it got you.

Maybe you'll tell me that the room got swarmed (since that happens in both the Scatter and camps). Here's a simple solution: leave the room in a dangerous scenario where you don't have the time to disable or kill everything that is dangerous to you before they have a chance to set you up for death. So many people get bent on killing something they've started fighting to the extent of making a bad choice to keep fighting it when other things have walked in. If you are Solo'ing a camp or the scatter, sometimes you just have to retreat.

Another question: if you have a hard time with fetish masters, or they kill you with their 'cheap' mechanic, why fight them? Every character is not meant to be able to fight every creature well in the game. Last time I checked, pures had a pretty hard time with Vvrael destroyers. My guess is that most pures wouldn't stand in front of them for very long. As a warrior, I tend to have a hard time with fetish masters - their DS is so high, I have to maneuver them a few times before I can even think of hitting them. Consequently, they pose a huge risk for me because I could be locked in RT(I have to tackle them to kill them.. and that's 7 seconds) when something else shows up. Thus.. I avoid fetish masters in the scatter. I bet there are a lot of other people who consider the masters a joke but can't take a Vvrael destroyer down with 0 risk like I can.

In general, you can take your risk of dying in GS down to next to nothing if you use appropriate tactics. If you don't use appropriate tactics, then yes, some of the dangerous stuff will get you. No one likes dying, but you can't cry that much. You should be aware of how fetish masters bring about dolls, or of what is going to happen in any hunting area, really, and be prepared for it. You weren't.

My guess is that you've fallen a little too in love with your own invincibility and started using spellups in place of tactics (as opposed to using both at the same time), like so many before you. Take a look at your last 10-20 deaths and ask what is causing them, and then see how you can limit that. Maybe its as simple as leaving the room when it gets crazy. Maybe its prioritizing warriors or avoiding fetish masters. Hell, I bet if you started doing those 3 things, you'd cut your deaths down immensely.

For me, I realized that most of my deaths came from berserking in warcamps. Sure.. most of the time I kicked ass. But the occasional death I had came from berserking with too much stamina so I couldn't break it early, and running into a turtled sorcerer who had 9 rounds to get it right and cast implode. So now I make sure to run my stamina down (through reusing surge of strength right before I berserk) if I want to berserk due to a larger crowd, and I only do it if I've already maneuvered the things that can turtle. Now I don't die with berserk in camps anymore.

[Bobmuhthol]

It might not be someone "pressing a button" to kill me but that doesn't mean it's not programmed cheaply.

That's kind of exactly what it means.

[RevenantG]

a lot of people went out of their way to give you some constructive tips on this issue. try to implement them and then repost and update us with how you're doing.

Nope, wrong again. I didn't ask for any constructive tips nor did I get any..have fun sucking each other off, I'm not even going to bother checking this thread

[RichardCranium]

he mad

[4a6c1]

he mad

http://cdn3.knowyourmeme.com/i/000/036/089/original/hnnng.jpg

[joehollywood]

Great...see what you people did?

You made his EPeen hurt with the STD known as logic!

I hope you people can live with yourself.

Here's this one guy, who all he wanted to do was write about how he was right.

And then you all have to use logic and common sense.

BOOOOOOOOOOOO on you people.

Now he's going to have to get his cyber rocks off in different game forums, and his infected EPeen will just keep on spreading the gift.

Don't you people know that paladins are supposed to be invinsible, and you should be able to script hunt nelemar at level 4?!

Didn't you read the officials? Where it said that people should be able to cap in a manner of 4 weeks without ever dying?

Now he's going to quit, and we won't get to hear his sage advice as to how the big mean baddies in the toughest hunting grounds in the game are unfair and cheat him.

I'm a sad panda.

[joehollywood]

And yes, I mispelled invincible!

And I meant to, so I won't edit it!

Damn gemstone and it's stupid mechanics, letting me misspell words on the unofficial forums!

[Some Rogue]

I quit!!!!!!!!!!!111

[Griffin's Keen, Southern Track]
A large outcropping of grey and black marble takes up most of the level part of the trail here, forcing you to squeeze around it.
Obvious paths: east, west
>west
A shrill screech pierces the air as a lesser griffin dives from above!
A rush of fear rises in your stomach, and you freeze, struggling to regain your composure!
Roundtime: 20 sec.
>...wait 20 seconds.
>A lesser griffin flaps its mighty wings rapidly, creating a powerful gust of wind that buffets the area!
The wind knocks you off your balance and you fall over!
Your arms are forced down to your sides!
Roundtime: 12 sec.
The wind then subsides.
>A lesser griffin swoops down from high overhead!
A lesser griffin tries to spear you with its beak!
AS: +346 vs DS: +288 with AvD: +40 + d100 roll: +54 = +152
... and hits for 20 points of damage!
Jarring blow to your back.
>A lesser griffin dives down and hooks its claws into you! With a great flap of its wings the lesser griffin carries you into the air!
Just as the griffin begins to surge upward, it suddenly loses its grip and lets you plummet toward the ground!
You twist awkwardly as you try to break your fall with something other than your head!
... 5 points of damage!
Blow connects with your abdomen winding you.
>You no longer feel the effect of casting mana leech.
>A lesser griffin tries to bite you!
AS: +348 vs DS: +284 with AvD: +32 + d100 roll: +59 = +155
... and hits for 24 points of damage!
Minor puncture to the right arm.

You feel at full magical power again.
>A lesser griffin tries to bite you!
AS: +348 vs DS: +279 with AvD: +32 + d100 roll: +74 = +175
... and hits for 31 points of damage!
Blow raises a welt on your left arm.

[Jace Solo]

Reasons why new people... 10-09-2010 02:19 PM Did you self medicate before typing that out ?

Hah, yes, I did. I was extremely high. I apologize

[peam]

http://cdn3.knowyourmeme.com/i/000/036/089/original/hnnng.jpg

NNNNNNNNGGGGGGGGGHHH!

[Mindiloish]

welp, speaking as someone fairly new I enjoy the game. From what i can see, issues like that can all be countered, such as if a spider tryes to web me, i get a ranger to cast mobles on me. While i've never be up against a lesser griffin It's my guess that the same principal would apply?

[4a6c1]

NNNNNNNNGGGGGGGGGHHH!

it's perfect right? your like...omg is he having a heart attack or laffing. should i laff or feel bad. TWISTED CONFUSING NNNNGGGHHHHHH ftw.

[RichardCranium]

it's perfect right? your like...omg is he having a heart attack or laffing. should i laff or feel bad. TWISTED CONFUSING NNNNGGGHHHHHH ftw.

Clearly he has to poop.

[peam]

Or maybe his cervix just ruptured.

[4a6c1]

Maybe a giant komodo dragon latched onto the head of his penis and started wiggling really fast with its sharp latchy teeth.

Probable.

[joehollywood]

Maybe a giant komodo dragon latched onto the head of his penis and started wiggling really fast with its sharp latchy teeth.

Probable.

Last I heard, you had to pay extra for that