Bill, Kwame, or other?

[GSTamral]

who would you have chosen to be the apprentice and why?

My vote goes to Kwame over Bill, but I would have chosen Troy over both of them, so I'm going with other.

[Snapp]

I like each of them pretty equally. If I had to choose, I'd go with Kwame.

[Mint]

Me too. Oh and just a reminder...west coast here. No spoilers pretty please.

[Snapp]

Originally posted by Mint
Me too. Oh and just a reminder...west coast here. No spoilers pretty please.


It's on now Mint, har de har har!

[AkMan]

I think Bill is going to get it. Kwame blew it by giving Amarosa such an important role and she screwed it up. I also don't think he has the backbone after what I saw last week. He should have kicked that stupid chick off his team when she lied to him and the rest of the crew.

[GSTamral]

Of the two, I can't say I agree fully with the decision that was made, although in the end it fell to an outside factor. Bill is a better person to have working for you in a supporting role. When acting as a president, micromanagement is not an option. You simply cannot actively keep up with the status of the 70 or 80 projects currently on the plate within a large department, let alone the literally thousands and thousands of projects and initiatives that can be part of a larger company. Here's how I'd grade em.

Management style:
Kwame: cool, collected and reserved.
Bill: enthusiastic, intense, and energetic.

Edge: Kwame. Bill's style is more geared towards a role in project management or even senior project management than that of a president.

Management Skills:
Bill: Practical, Ethical, Judicial, Calculated.
Kwame: Spontaneous, Quick-Minded, Collected, Listener.

Edge: Kwame, albeit slightly. Bill wasn't a good listener, which is the most critical skill, but his sense of practical knowledge, and his tendency to calculate ahead are more suited for a strategic role in the company as opposed to day to day one. Kwame's ability as a listener is traditionally the most important skill you can have at that level, because you must depend on others to provide information to you. Micromanagement is impossible.


Educational Background:
Kwame: Harvard MBA, work in Goldman Sachs.
Bill: smaller school MBA, several years running his own small company.

Edge: Bill. Where you get the MBA from only determines where you start. After that, its all about what you do with yourself, and no education possible can give the same experience as actually having served in the role.


Overall Edge: Kwame, by a hair, although with a little more experience in the role, Bill is a better long term solution. But since the position was for a 3 year position, Kwame is a better solution.

Why did Kwame lose:
he didn't confront Omarosa for lying to him.
he didn't fire Omarosa for lying to him a second time.
he picked Omarosa to be on his team.

Back in the 1980's, when Bel Biv Devo wrote that song "Poison", they had envisioned a woman exactly like Omarosa. She singlehandedly cost the otherwise more deserving candidate his dream job.

[Snapp]

I honestly thought that maybe Omarosa was told to sabotage, and that Bill was going to have the same... but now I see that Omarosa is just a bitch who deserves to have bricks thrown at her.



Back in the 1980's, when Bel Biv Devo wrote that song "Poison", they had envisioned a woman exactly like Omarosa.

:lol:

[GSTamral]

Just for kicks, I'll compare Bill to Troy

Management style:
Troy: Cool, quick-witted, and intense .
Bill: enthusiastic, intense, and energetic.

Edge: Troy. In terms of demeanor, he is quite literally the perfect fit.

Management Skills:
Bill: Practical, Ethical, Judicial, Calculated.
Troy: Instinctive, Listener, Practical, Outside the box.

Edge:
Troy. Troy's ability to combine being a listener and a teammate, along with his ability to think outside the box and come up with alternative, yet practical solutions made him both popular amongst teammates, and also gave him the image of being a natural leader. Bill would match up almost like a control freak in comparison.




Educational Background:
Troy: Donald Trump's Book.
Bill: smaller school MBA, several years running his own small company.

Edge: Bill. No offense to the Donald here, but Bill's got this one hands down.


Overall Edge: Unlike the situation with Bill and Kwame, where Kwame is the better short term solution and Bill is the better long term solution, the roles flip. Troy needs some polishing and refining, but, due to his natural instincts, and his natural leadership skills, is quite literally a perfect long term solution for a company. He is also the most versatile of any member of the final group with perhaps the exception of Amy.

[Mint]

Commercial break here. OMAROSA NEEDS TO BE CHUCKED OFF THE TOP OF TRUMP TOWER WITHOUT A PARACHUTE. That is all.

[Mint]

Okay, Kwame didn't get hired. Damn Omarosa.

Bill got hired but he needs to be fired for failing to put his seat belt on when he drove off in his brand new car.

[Skirmisher]

I have successfully avoided this program in it's entirety.

:yes:

[Mint]

Originally posted by Skirmisher
I have successfully avoided this program in it's entirety.

:yes:

Lucky you. I regret tuning in to it. It's too late for me. Save yourselves...avoid it next season. It sucks you in and won't let go.

[GSTamral]

I dont know, it teaches people some valuable lessons about the corporate world. Granted, there is nothing realistic in the show regards how businesses are run, but it does give you an idea as to what makes a good leader.

1) You have to be well respected in the workplace
2) Others have to be inspired by you before they will look up to you with a sense of true trust.
3) Booksmarts isnt better than Streetsmarts.
4) Common Sense is your greatest ally.
5) You have to be willing to work an obscene number of hours if need be.
6) If someone lies to you, you need to fire them if possible, or relegate them away from any position from which they could ever advance their own careers in your company, thereby enticing them to move elsewhere.
7) Being full of ideas isn't everything, you could be perceived as a loose cannon.

this list truly goes on and on....

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by Mint
Okay, Kwame didn't get hired. Damn Omarosa.OMG SPOYLER FOR PEEPS IN HAWAI'I!!! ;)

[TheEschaton]

I've never seen the show, but I watch NBC quite a bit, and Omarosa looked like a bitch just from the commercials.


-TheE-

[Mint]

Originally posted by Latrinsorm

Originally posted by Mint
Okay, Kwame didn't get hired. Damn Omarosa.OMG SPOYLER FOR PEEPS IN HAWAI'I!!! ;)

Damn. I forget I am not actually the last person in the world to see prime time shows. :(

[MPSorc]

its shows like this that make me glad im in Korea and have no desire to buy a TV while im here, simply because all TV programs that i watch are normally 1-2 months behind because it is a military run TV station and they have to try to fit everyone's favorite shows in on one station plus movies and news.

[Ambrosia]

I never really got into Reality TV shows, what is the big deal about this show anyway? My best friend watched it and was babbling about it too.

[Mint]

Originally posted by Ambrosia
I never really got into Reality TV shows, what is the big deal about this show anyway? My best friend watched it and was babbling about it too.

I like it because I can watch these people stress out big time. I can then think to myself 'God I love my life!".

[GSTamral]

The great thing about the show wasn't Donald Trump, or the "reality" element, which wasn't truly real to begin with. The interesting parts of the show for me was watching the contestants interact with one another while attempting to complete projects. You can learn an amazing amount about the whole concept of management by watching the miscues.

Troy and Kwame for instance, were the only realistic candidates I would consider hiring in a senior management position. Many of the others would be excellent employees, and are excellent motivators, but are too involved in the concepts of micromanagement.

Currently, I have around 40 projects under me. I have 6 project managers who are directly reporting to me, and 2 more that are assigned onto projects that I am either directly overseeing or helping to oversee. Those managers each have anywhere from 2-4 supervisors directly underneath to assist and design, and programmers are assigned resources. Many of the contestants on the show would be unable to handle this style of work with their management style. Micromanagement simply isnt an option. If I devote 15 minutes of each day to all 40 projects, nothing would get done, and there is no way I can know everything about any one project. I identify certain "key" projects to which I develop a high level of knowledge both system wise and business wise, and keep tabs on them regularly. Many of the other projects I must trust those people working for me to provide me with status updates and concerns. I must also trust them, that once I have given them the business core guidelines, that they will intelligently take up a plan of action.

Bill was too in used to micromanagement to effectly oversee any type of larger operation. What Kwame understood in attitude, Troy had in instincts. for the purpose of who I would prefer over the long term, Troy was simply the best candidate. With a little refining and polishing and of course, experience, he has exactly the tools that one needs for success. He had enthusiasm, was a hard worker, and he constantly was able to think outside the box for potential solutions.

Again, for the general public, it was an entertaining show. From the perspective of management/senior management, it was a reinforcement of style, policy, and attitude.

Do I think I could have won the show? probably not. But at the same time, I expect to be earning between 3 and 4 times what the apprentice winner will earn within 7 years, and in a more stable environment, and for a more respected employer.