Reverse Racism?

[Ben]

[OOC]-Zimzum: "all white people should die"
[OOC]-Ezre: "Hehe."
[OOC]-Leloo: "LoL Zimzum"




If he had said black people he would have been banned.

[Ben]

Leloo how can you laugh at that then then condemn me for being ignorant and blindly hating?

[Edited on 4-16-2004 by Ben]

[Bobmuhthol]

True alert.

[Wezas]

Originally posted by Ben
[OOC]-Zimzum: "all white people should die"
[OOC]-Ezre: "Hehe."
[OOC]-Leloo: "LoL Zimzum"


Anyone know Zimzum's race? It could just be plain racism.

And the GMs won't see anything on PSInet. So hate on.

[Bobmuhthol]

Zimzum is white.

Assuming the pictures I remember were, in fact, him.

And if I responded with, "No, all black people should die" I would be bitchslapped by 100 people and then banned.

Fucking idiots.

[Sean]

Can we see the rest of the context? To me knowing how zimzum is I think it would be clear that he was JOKING. But whatever if you have a problem with it take it up with Jamus.

[Bobmuhthol]

[OOC]-You: "It's surprising how so many people can lose so much respect within minutes."
[OOC]-Leloo: "What do you mean Bob?"
[OOC]-You: "You're one of them."
[OOC]-Halequinn: "This is the first hour I've gotten out of bed."
[OOC]-Leloo: "Because I'm against the Nazi party?"
[OOC]-You: "Refer to like.. every post you made in the Music Linkage thread."
[OOC]-You: "Yes."
[OOC]-You: "Because you suck at being against people. If you did it tactfully you'd be respected a lot more."
[OOC]-Leloo: "I can be very levelheaded but not with Ben. Not after what he has said and done to me."
[OOC]-Hast: "respect and $5 will get you a cup of coffee"
[OOC]-Zimzum: "no respect and 75 cents gets ya coffee too...."
[OOC]-Leloo: "Respect and $5 will get you coffee and a muffin"
[OOC]-Leloo: "And a bagel if you're at a grocery store"
[OOC]-Zimzum: "3.99 gets you a grand slam breakfast"
[OOC]-Hast: "not at starbucks"
[OOC]-Hast: "hah"
[OOC]-You: "Says Leloo, "I actually use my brain to see what they are like rather than simply going "Oh he's black so let's hate him cause I'm too stupid to look further"""
[OOC]-You: "Also says Leloo, "Nazis are chickens.""
[OOC]-Jahira: "Damnit!"
[OOC]-Leloo: "I stand behind everything I said."
[OOC]-Hast: "what are you a nazi Bob?"
[OOC]-You: "You're a hypocrite, whether you stand behind it or not."
[OOC]-Leloo: "How am I a hypocrite?"
[OOC]-Jahira: "Anyone come help me in illistim. I am in the outpost of Gyldemar Forest, in the outcropping"
[OOC]-You: "You claim to not hate a certain group.. but also claim to hate Nazis."
[OOC]-Zimzum: "so?"
[OOC]-Leloo: "I never denied this belief. I do not hate every Nazi, I am aware many of them in the army in the 1940's were not there by choice or were Jewish sympathizers."
[OOC]-Hadiar: "Aren't nazis universally hated?"
[OOC]-You: "So then stop saying you hate Nazis."
[OOC]-Zimzum: "There's nothing wrong with saying you hate people"
[OOC]-Nektarius: "not by other nazis "
[OOC]-Leloo: "I hate the actions the group performed but I do not claim to hate the individuals. The T-4 program did make them chickens because they hid what America did out in public"
[OOC]-Leloo: "I hate Nazi ideals."
[OOC]-Ezre: "Hmm, its a little different really, one is saying "Don't judge someone based on their group." and the other is saying "This group is a chicken."
[OOC]-Leloo: "And I hate Ben for the reasons of what he has said to me."
[OOC]-Ezre: "There really IS a difference."
[OOC]-You: "I like Ben for the reasons of how not stupid he is."
[OOC]-Leloo: "How is he not stupid? He blindly hates people that he has never even met simply because of their racial background"
[OOC]-Leloo: "I am sorry but we all have the same genome, we all are made up of the same genetic code, we are all human beings and we are all the same."
[OOC]-You: "..and?"
[OOC]-Reijin: "Popup ads advertizing ways to stop popup ads... Anyone see the irony?"
[OOC]-Leloo: "Yes I have."
[OOC]-Zimzum: "spambusters bitch!"
[OOC]-You: "(20:22:08) Lionheart8814: dude if they find a negro skeleton and a white skeleton, they cant tell them apart? (20:22:12) Lionheart8814: bullshit <--- not stupid."
[OOC]-You: "And I'm still listening to the song he posted. Does that make me a Nazi?"
[OOC]-Hast: "what chat is that?"
[OOC]-Leloo: "I never heard the song he posted."
[OOC]-You:
[OOC]-Leloo: "And whoever that idiot is needs to take a biology class."
[OOC]-You: "That idiot is Ben."
[OOC]-Ezre: "Don't be rediculous, listening to a song isn't the same as announcing yourself a Nazi."
[OOC]-Leloo: "Oh that figured"
[OOC]-You: "Who is not an idiot."
[OOC]-Leloo: "Ben hates blindly, he is ignorant of the fact that your race does not determine who you are. Everyone is different and it varies based upon how you grew up, events you were exposed to, your friends, and yourself."
[OOC]-You: "Disagreed."
[OOC]-Zimzum: "all white people should die"
[OOC]-Ezre: "Hehe."
[OOC]-Leloo: "LoL Zimzum"
[OOC]-Zimzum: "down with honky!"

Bob the link was pulled for a reason, don't post it here, even if in a log. Thank you.

[Edited on 4-16-2004 by Weedmage Princess]

[Wezas]

dammit, I was just about to use Bob's quote in my sig... and it got yanked.

I do think Zimzum is joking and did not mean any harm. It would be the same if a black person said "I hate all black people"

[Tsa`ah]

Don't push it Bob. I don't give a fuck about your respect and if you keep posting this bullshit I'm going to keep deleting it.

Per "reverse" racism, no such thing. Different Strokes was cancelled like 20 years ago, so move on.

Racism is racism.

[Bobmuhthol]

<<Don't push it Bob.>>

But Zimzum can say white people should die.

WHY NOT JUST BAN ME AGAIN.

[Ben]

I think if a black person said "all black people should die" they'd be in alotta trouble.

[Sean]

But until a black person goes on psinet and says that it's just specualtion.

[Tsa`ah]

Originally posted by Bobmuhthol
<<Don't push it Bob.>>

But Zimzum can say white people should die.

WHY NOT JUST BAN ME AGAIN.

Grow up and stop being a whiney little bitch.

[Ben]

Originally posted by Weedmage Princess
[
Bob the link was pulled for a reason, don't post it here, even if in a log. Thank you.




Why was it pulled again?

[GSLeloo]

Zimzum is white, I am white. We were not laughing at it as "let's go kill them" we were in fact making fun of you.

[Ben]

Making fun of my for my personal beliefs? you're ignorant.

[JamusPsi]

For the record, as the only authority on THIS:



If he had said black people he would have been banned.

[OOC]-Zimzum: "all white people should die"
[OOC]-Ezre: "Hehe."
[OOC]-Leloo: "LoL Zimzum"


Wrong. He would not have been banned had he said that, because I'm not stupid enough to think that he meant it as anything other than satire. And, per Psinet Policy:

- Making *non-satirical* discriminatory statements; bigotry

--is one of the guidelines to be used for banning.

There is no such thing as reverse racism. The term uses the idea of whites irrationally hating black people as the standard racism, and assumes that when the roles are reversed, it is then reverse racism. Anyone see the irony in screaming "reverse racism" when you're still using your race as the basis for the term?

It's just racism.

No, Zimzum would not have been banned, because I don't think he'd have meant that any more than he meant what he did say. There's a difference between parodying bigotry for what it is- pathetic and unbased- and preaching bigotry for what it isn't- a universal truth and fact of humanity.



[OOC]-Leloo: "I am sorry but we all have the same genome, we all are made up of the same genetic code, we are all human beings and we are all the same."

:clap:

Oh, and Bob: Nazism isn't a race. And while I couldn't honestly say that I hate nazis, communists, capitalists, republicans, democrats, blacks, jews, christians, or muslims, I can say that I hate all people who brutally persecute others out of ignorance and belligerence.

I may be wrong, but did a certain group of nazis fit that pattern in a certain period of history?

Jamus

[GSLeloo]

I'm making fun of you as a person. Not you as a race. Ben if I believed any word you said was followed with actual fact I would be worried. But after your incident at Klaive's I know you know nothing.

Also, I guess you didn't get the response you wanted on SR when you posted this there so you also posted it here. Just like your music thread. Do you want to create drama tonight?

[Hulkein]

Hahahaha.. Everyone is ignorant, it's a part of life. People who call others ignorant are just stating the obvious.

But on topic.. yes minorities get away with being racist moreso then the majority in our PC world. The mayor of Philadelphia John Street was quoted at an NAACP meeting as saying 'the brothas are runnin' the city' then cheered as everyone else did..

It's a part of life.

[GSLeloo]

Ben when you can come with me with concrete facts that a certain race is genetically different then what you say would hold more weight.

The fact is it is called the human genome... not the Aryan genome and the African Genome and the Indian Genome. No, it's the human genome for the human race... Because we have the exact same genome and the exact same code.

[Weedmage Princess]

Originally posted by Ben

Originally posted by Weedmage Princess
[
Bob the link was pulled for a reason, don't post it here, even if in a log. Thank you.




Why was it pulled again?

The link was pulled because it is in violation of Player's Corner's Terms Of Service, which can be found in the ANNOUNCEMENTS folder.

[HarmNone]

I am completely with you, Tsa`ah. I have defended you in the past, Bob. This has gone entirely too far. I will not defend you this time.

HarmNone

[Skirmisher]

Bob, whats the deal?

You are smarter than this.

Act like it.

Ben, your views are not in the majority here or elsewhere. You know as well as anyone of that fact. People are not going to agree with you and you need to [should] accept that.

[Sean]

He doesn't need to change his views to conform to the majority, he does however need to review the TOS and policy changes that have occured in his absence and abide by the rules of the PC.

[JamusPsi]

No, Bob, [though your original statement was pulled because of your obstinence,] I wouldn't have banned anyone for saying that, unless it was clear that they meant it.

The out of the blue comment Zimzum made, in my eyes, was more of a statement mocking the unfounded ideals of bigots, and using the nazis being discussed (predominately white, yes?) as the target for his ridiculous assertion. Had he said something more condemning, or with the intent of spreading propaganda (i.e. LINKS TO OFFENSIVE MATERIAL) I would have to consider that he was NOT being satirical.

Note that I didn't say he was funny. I said he was satirical- intended to be in jest.

[Ben]

Originally posted by GSLeloo
Ben when you can come with me with concrete facts that a certain race is genetically different then what you say would hold more weight.




Sicklecell.

[Bobmuhthol]

<<[One more time and I'll recomend you get banned bob. KNOCK THE SHIT OFF.]

[Edited on 4-16-2004 by Tsa`ah]>>

The content of that post should not have been edited, and the MP3 linked apparently isn't allowed anyway, though there is nothing racial about it.

Update while posting: The MP3 will, in fact, be allowed.

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by GSLeloo
Ben when you can come with me with concrete facts that a certain race is genetically different then what you say would hold more weight.Every human is unique.

Therefore any two groups of humans are different.

Tijay you really should not make things up about my posts. I said he needs to accept it not conform. This is not the only time today that you have read more into my posts than is there. If there is an underlying statement in a post I make I will point it out to you. Until that time take it for face value. Thanks.

[JamusPsi]

[OOC]-You: "It must be like the phase of the moon or something."
[OOC]-You: "There's been so much oversensitive bullshit drama the past few days."
[OOC]-Dervil: "agreed, Jamus"
[OOC]-Wraithgar: "That offends me Jamus"
[OOC]-You: "Call your local sheriff's office."
[OOC]-Ezre: "Yea, offends me too. Wheres a moderator when ya need one? Hehe."
[OOC]-Fengus: "im offended by you finding that offensive"
[OOC]-Wraithgar: "I find that offensive remark about being offended off color and uncalled for."
[OOC]-Ezre: "Oh, we're bringing color into it now?"
[OOC]-Reijin: "hahaha"
[OOC]-You: "LMAO"
[OOC]-Chadj: "all these serious posts on PC are getting boring :("
[OOC]-Reijin: "I love the psinet crew. You're all so fucking hilarious during tense times."
[OOC]-Dervil: "I find everyone who is not the exact same shade of purple as me offensive..."

[Sean]

How about we don't restate the obvious then that his views aren't in the majority. Nor has he indiciated that he has in anyway not accepted that people don't like his views, infact I'd argue that he does accept it but is relentless anyway. So how about we stop infering things from other peoples posts if were going to complain about people infering things from our own? okay?

[Edaarin]

I'm not touching this thread with a 20 foot stick.

[GSLeloo]

Wow you guys are losers.. making his words into the hyperlink.

[Ben]

Originally posted by GSLeloo
Wow you guys are losers.


You hurt my feelings.

[GSLeloo]

You have feelings Ben?

[DianaBanana]

I'm trying so hard to not make any comments in this thread. It's so hard to hold back! :popcorn2:

[Ben]

Originally posted by GSLeloo
You have feelings Ben?


Yes, and I've fallen in love with you because you are the prettiest girl to ever post on these boards.

[GSLeloo]

Aw Ben I always knew you cared. It must be because you are the most handsome man ever to bless this earth. You are the true epitome of the perfect Aryan man.

[Ben]

Take me now.

[Mint]

God I'm confused...

[i remember halloween]

you guys are all retards. try concerning yourself with something that actually matters instead of pointless political correctness bullshit.

[GSLeloo]

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That... is the tiniest tiniest part of the human genome code.. my point for displaying that is that you can go to any human of any race and that code will remain the same. That code is in Ben, that code is in me, that code was in Hitler and every one of the millions of people he killed.

[Ben]

So what we have similiar DNA? that doesn't make everyone equal.

[GSLeloo]

We have the same genetic code.. the same genetic make-up. Would you like me to continue on? it's only about two billion genes... the point is Ben that you can hate someone for their skin but it's ludicrous because on the inside they're the same as you. Hate someone for their individual actions, not a stereotype.

[Bobmuhthol]

Sure it does.

Just like we're related because we both have blood in our veins.

Yay for similarities.

[GSLeloo]

The point is my blood is the same as yours. What makes me up inside is the same as you. You both need to take a biology course...

Also wasn't Hitler's ideal Aryan blond haired, blue eyed, and athletic? Tall and thin and strong?

[Bobmuhthol]

<<Just like we're related because we both have blood in our veins.>>

<<The point is my blood is the same as yours.>>

rofl.

[Ben]

Originally posted by GSLeloo
Also wasn't Hitler's ideal Aryan blond haired, blue eyed, and athletic? Tall and thin and strong?

whats that have to do with anything?

[GSLeloo]

Ok Bob let me rephrase it... your blood is no better than mine because you are of one race and I am of another.

[Bobmuhthol]

Let me rephrase, then, as well:

lmao.

[GSLeloo]

My point was Ben that Hitler was pretty picky in his qualifications.. how do you know you would have passed? You may have ended up in the camps yourself had you been there.

[Ben]

Originally posted by GSLeloo
My point was Ben that Hitler was pretty picky in his qualifications.. how do you know you would have passed? You may have ended up in the camps yourself had you been there.


because i would have.

[Marl]

Hey guess what people, everything expressed here is someone else's own personal OPINION. Even though we all have similar genetic make-ups our opinions difer from everyone elses. Some are very much the same and some are GREATLY different. Does it really matter what someone else thinks? To some yes. Do you have to sit here and degrade someone for the way he thinks? No, go read something else. Is your opinion on something going to change someone elses way of thinking ( or way of life for that matter)? Probably not. So if anyone doesnt like the way someone else thinks state your point, get over the fact they are not going to change and move on. It just gets on my nerves severely to see people trying to say someone else is wrong for what he/she believes. That in it self is the truest(i know i cant spell) form of discrimination. thanks for participating in my little rant, now go back to your mindless bickering.

[GSLeloo]

How well do you know your family history? Most Americans are mutts, mixtures of everything. Hitler liked them pure, bred them if he had to like in Lebensborn.

What color are your eyes? What color is your hair? Your forehead may not have been the right shape or maybe they'd find something unsettling in your genetic background, people with genetic diseases were often done away with. No polluting the blood pool and all that. You have no way of knowing you wouldn't have been put up onto those trains and shipped to Bergen-Belson or any other camp.

[Bobmuhthol]

<<It just gets on my nerves severely to see people trying to say someone else is wrong for what he/she believes. That in it self is the truest(i know i cant spell) form of discrimination.>>

That has been my point this entire time. :shrug:

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by GSLeloo
We have the same genetic code.. the same genetic make-up. Would you like me to continue on?Only if you stop being wrong. PARTS of our genetic code are the same. Not all of it. If we had the same genetic code, you wouldn't be female, for one thing, and I'm reasonably sure you wouldn't like dogs either, though that could be environmental.

[Staerin]

Ok... Wow, I just barely read this today. And I sort of wish I hadn't. Anyone stupid enough to hate someone because of their race should be sent to a predominantly NON-white nation to see how quickly their views change (or they get themselves killed, either way I wouldn't care). And "Ben" is it... you seem like a particularly "special" individual (did your parents drop you on your head as a child... multiple times?) And just so you know if white people had lived in Africa and had to adapt to the malaria virus... they would be the ones with sicklecell anemia.

[Bobmuhthol]

<<And just so you know if white people had lived in Africa and had to adapt to the malaria virus... they would be the ones with sicklecell anemia.>>

But that's not how it worked, so wtf does that mean?

If you weren't born, you wouldn't have posted that.

[Marl]

Originally posted by Bobmuhthol

If you weren't born, you wouldn't have posted that.

That made me laugh out loud, someone give that kid a cookie!

[Edaarin]

Alright, so I lied. However, I'm not going to post my views on the matter of race, discrimination, or what not. I'm merely going to point out the obvious.

Leloo, you're not going to change the way Ben thinks. He knows that, you know that, everyone knows that. I think for the most part he has refrained from posting his minority beliefs on these boards and showed more restraint than some other more popular posters.

Ben, this thread sucks. Sorry, sensitive subject, people get touchy, tempers flares, blah blah blah.

Bobmuhthol, you have an intense need to go against the grain to prove points and try to make people who annoy you look retarded. Please let this one go.

[TheEschaton]

Here's the biology of it: There is not enough genetic variance between the various cultures of the human race to specifically warrant the scientific term of "race" other than the generic "human race". There is no significant difference in the "african race", the "asian race" or the "caucasian race", it is, indeed, just "race".

Now, the genetics are varied. But not as varied as say, the Darwinian study on birds when he wrote Evolution. Not enough to warrant race, let alone different species. Enough to contribute to different culture, different susceptibility to disease (which, someone pointed out, could be an environmentally-induced mutation - sickle cells have the benefit of being extremely resistent to malaria, a problem in Africa, therefore causing it to be a positive benefit to have in an African environment), different opinions.

-TheE-

Originally posted by GSLeloo
Also wasn't Hitler's ideal Aryan blond haired, blue eyed, and athletic? Tall and thin and strong?


whats that have to do with anything?

The fact that he was none of those?

[TheEschaton]

And the Aryan race is Middle Eastern in origin. Hitler was a stupid fuck to think Aryan = blonde hair, blue eyes, white skin, because, technically, I'm descended from the Aryans who invaded India.


-TheE-

[Weedmage Princess]

>>Dear Mods,
(21:34:19) Bobmuhthol: It will be linked solely to the MP3, removed from any affiliation to the site.
(21:34:27) Bobmuhthol: And if you think that song is racist..
(21:34:35) Bobmuhthol: Then I disagree, but have no power.
(21:35:58) Kranar: That's pushing it, but if you host it, I'll leave it.
<<

I don't know if the song in your link is the same song Ben initially posted in the Music Link thread that I removed..but if anyone has to question why a link to a song that says "Kill all the Jews, cut their heads off" after reading the Terms Of Service document, then I suggest repeating the fourth grade and paying extra special attention to lessons on reading comprehension.

I've only removed that one link, the one to the song that I mentioned above, no others.

[Nakiro]

Originally posted by Tsa`ah

Originally posted by Bobmuhthol
<<Don't push it Bob.>>

But Zimzum can say white people should die.

WHY NOT JUST BAN ME AGAIN.

Grow up and stop being a whiney little bitch.

This is fucking retarded.

[Tsa`ah]

Then why comment?

[Shari]

Originally posted by Edaarin
Alright, so I lied. However, I'm not going to post my views on the matter of race, discrimination, or what not. I'm merely going to point out the obvious.

Leloo, you're not going to change the way Ben thinks. He knows that, you know that, everyone knows that. I think for the most part he has refrained from posting his minority beliefs on these boards and showed more restraint than some other more popular posters.

Ben, this thread sucks. Sorry, sensitive subject, people get touchy, tempers flares, blah blah blah.

Bobmuhthol, you have an intense need to go against the grain to prove points and try to make people who annoy you look retarded. Please let this one go.

THANK YOU.

<not only loves Edaarin's abs, but his opinion of this as well>

[Galleazzo]

Originally posted by Ben
Making fun of my for my personal beliefs? you're ignorant. No, we're making fun of you for being a stupid goober. You're damn straight we're not equal, you're lower than the toenail clipping of a sheep rapist.

And you, Bob, you're beyond stupid goober here, you're being a total asshole. What's your frigging problem here?

[Nakiro]

Originally posted by Tsa`ah
Then why comment?

Uhm, because its a forum where you go to comment on things, even when they're fucking retarded?

[longshot]

Leave it to Leloo to make Ben look like Isaac Newton...

[Skirmisher]

No

[DeV]

Originally posted by Omens
I hate all races equaly.
Me too, glad we can agree on something.
Every race has a hand full of people that shouldnt be alive.
I wouldnt say, they shouldnt be alive, they just need to STFU and never speak again.

The thing about racism i dont understand. Is how black shows on cable get to say cracker all the time. But when a white person says N***er on the air it's bleeped out.
You and I both know the reasons.
It dont make sense. There both insults to a persons race. I guess white people are just fucked out of everything on the matter.
One of the terms has only one meaning, the other has multiple.
And dont even get me started on them black people who are tryin to sue the govenrment for there great grandparents misery while being in slavery. That's just stupidity. I could maybe see some 90 yearold great grandmother getin some compensation for havin to pick cotton for all them years. But have you seen these guys that are fileing lawsuits ? There in there twentys for god sake, The only cotton they'v ever had to pick was a hanes T-shirt out of the dresser, Wtf ?
You don't think that there are black people that feel like that to.. Its just like those fat kids and people trying to sue McDonalds.. its one of those things that make you go.. "wtf?"

[Galleazzo]

Anyone who hasn't figured out that an ethnic group can make fun of itself, but outsiders who use the same cracks aren't appreciated, shouldn't be allowed to use computers. Go back to frigging crayons.

[Bobmuhthol]

Galleazzo, are you excusing a particular person because their racist views are against their own race?

I hate all white people. <--- not racist because I'm white.

[AnticorRifling]

I haven't bothered to read anything in this thread but the title irks me so I thought I'd post this. There is no such thing as reverse racism. Racism != whites hating others and reverse racism != others hating whites.

Racism is people of one race hating people of another. No reverse. Adding reverse to it has always appeared to me as a way to lessen the blow of the offense just because it's directed at one race from another in a fashion that isn't within the normal consideration of racism.

If someone who is black hates me then it's racism. If I hate someone that's black that is racism. If someone that is Mexican hates someone that is Irish that is racism, etc, etc.

And if someone hates my brother then that's cool because, well, look at him.

[Edaarin]

Nicely said Anticor.

[DeV]

Omens, umm where is all this coming from? I mean, I think if you delete race from it we all have pre-judgements about each and every race known to man. It was established in the original post that Zimzum is white, or believed to be so you are offended with something that someone WHITE said about thier own race. There are slurs for every race and its WRONG for anyone to use a slur to defame an ethnic group reagardless of if you feel your priviledged to do so or not. That example you used above is something seen far to often as a person being a product of their environment. It saddens me to see young black males who have no clue that society will not accept that type of behavior. But, it goes both ways. That young black male described about could also be that young white male that comes into an establishment to fill out a job application dressed in military boots, frayed faded khaki shorts, and a t-shirt with spikes in his hair. Now, would you hire that person? It wouldnt be based on his race, it would be based on his appearance, and lack of professionalism. I just wish people would stop making everything about race, and make it about the individual.

Or its just like that guy I saw on the el-train last summer, he had his white power shirt on and were riding downtown and have to pass through predominantly black parts of the city. No one bothered him, no one even gave him a second glance.

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by AnticorRifling
I haven't bothered to read anything in this thread but the title irks me so I thought I'd post this. There is no such thing as reverse racism. Racism != whites hating others and reverse racism != others hating whites.I thought it was called reverse racism because a certain group got bonuses for being X race. Thus it had to be distinguished from racism, which carries the connotation of disliking or penalizing someone because they're of X race.

[Tendarian]

hat young black male described about could also be that young white male that comes into an establishment to fill out a job application dressed in military boots, frayed faded khaki shorts, and a t-shirt with spikes in his hair.

And about 50 face piercings. I think the difference is the dumb white guy wouldnt think its racist.

[DeV]

Ignorance is bliss. The dumb black guy would need someone like me to tell him "Hey bud, you didnt get the job cause your dressed like a clown, not cause your black."

Simple as that.

[TheEschaton]

Ahh, but Darkelfvold, when it's about race, you have no blame in the matter, when it's about how you dress, that IS something you control.

Like when we were discussing that fringe belief some African Americans hold that HIV is a disease given to black people from white people to control them. It's easier to blame white people for the problem, instead of blaming one's own drug and/or sexual problems.

-TheE-

[DeV]

Originally posted by TheEschaton
Ahh, but Darkelfvold, when it's about race, you have no blame in the matter, when it's about how you dress, that IS something you control.

Like when we were discussing that fringe belief some African Americans hold that HIV is a disease given to black people from white people to control them. It's easier to blame white people for the problem, instead of blaming one's own drug and/or sexual problems.

-TheE-
Newsflash! TheE, I am not that young black male. That example above would be about ignorance, that young man may think he was being discriminated againt becaue he was black, but even Ray Charles could see that he's ignorant and using race as a shield. I despise people who do that.

[Bobmuhthol]

<<It doesnt make it right just cause your ethnic.>>

I don't think you understand the meaning of ethnic...

He's saying that a certain race can make jokes about their own race without the thought of racism coming into play, but when another race says anything there's trouble.

It's still wrong, IMO.

[DeV]

Originally posted by Omens

It would have been as simple as that. But were prolly gona end up in court again. That's the point i was trying to get out. The way other races use there color or background to there advantage in a bad way.
Who's to blame? Don't look at it as something all black people think. I agree with you. This guy is scamming his own race in the process.
Like when Galleazzo posted about It's ok to crack on your own race but not to crack on others. While replying to a post of mine about black people cracking on whites is ok but whites cracking on blacks is bad.

He's totaly ignorant to thefact that blacks doing it to another race, be it to white or purple people, is still wrong. It doesnt make it right just cause your ethnic.
I took what Galleazo said to mean that black's cracking on their own race is ok, just as whites cracking on their own race is ok.

I blame Chris Rock.

[DeV]

Originally posted by Omens
That example you used above is something seen far to often as a person being a product of their environment.
--
Sorry, i cant agree with this. There is nothing in his environment that made him get up in the morning and put that outfit on. He did it himself. That was another point i was trying to make. Blaming other things of ones personal choices. Like you just did. Being a product of your environment has seriously strong connotations Omens. If you can't see that, then you can't discover where the problem begins.

[DeV]

Originally posted by Omens
ok now i'm confused about what your post before that ment. I thought you were stickin up for people liek that. I guess i'm not reading your replys the right way or something. No, the guy is clearly ignorant. I stated that already. I am in no way sticking up for the ignoramus and I can't believe you missed that.

[Bobmuhthol]

<<Never been ethnic.>>

I'm assuming you mean not Christian or Jewish.

I also assumed that definition was archaic.

Ethnic describes any group of people.

[Bobmuhthol]

Your group = Your race.

[Bobmuhthol]

:?:

[DeV]

Actually Omens, the kid is right. Ethnicity can be used to describe any group in terms of religion, race, culture, environment... and so on.

Its one of those things, that just is.

[GSLeloo]

Well just skipped most of this from page 3-5 but I am a bit calmer than I was yesterday so I well restate my views. I tend to lose rational when it comes to racists, something about them gets right under my skin and bugs me so much.

Now the way I went after Ben probably had more to do with the fact that he attacked me when I stood up to him on another board (klaives) and not only did he attack me but he used that to bring someone else into it also. So my attack on Ben isn't just cause he's racist, it's cause he's an asshole.

The human genome is the same for everyone unless you have a genetic disorder. But the genes themselves vary. Meaning the genome, the order of what each gene is and where is the same but what each will produce varies. That make any sense? I'm sort of fried...

[Bobmuhthol]

<< I tend to lose rational when it comes to racists, something about them gets right under my skin and bugs me so much.>>

:violin:

[GSLeloo]

It's not an apology, Bob. I mean every word I said last night, I simply could've said it better. It takes maturity to admit you may have been wrong in your actions. You'll learn that eventually.

[Bobmuhthol]

I never said it was an apology.

I said :violin:

[Galleazzo]

If your replying to what i said a few posts up, then you obviously dont understand that White people are a group as well, ethnic or not. Just because white people are white people, doesnt give any other race the right to belittle them for being white.
Yeah, no kidding? Thanks for the enlightenment. Think we didn't know that? All my life I've heard Irish make drunken Mick jokes, Polish making Polack jokes, Scots with cheap jokes, all that shit.

Is cracking on your own race/kind okay? Dunno. But everyone does it.

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by Galleazzo
All my life I've heard Irish make drunken Mick jokes, Polish making Polack jokes, Scots with cheap jokes, all that shit.
The difference is: everyone can make Polish jokes. Polish, Irish, Italian, Nambian, Lesotho-ian, whichever. A Polish guy making a joke at the expense of a black person doesn't have the same luxury. Trust me, I went through this myself (being of Polish ancestry).

[Galleazzo]

That's just what I said in the first place.

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by Galleazzo
That's just what I said in the first place.
Is cracking on your own race/kind okay?:?:

[Galleazzo]

Oh for chrissake, are you just trying to argue for the sake of it or what? THe whole line is "Is cracking on your own race/kind okay? Dunno. But everyone does it."

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by Galleazzo
Oh for chrissake, are you just trying to argue for the sake of it or what?The example I put was someone OUTSIDE the race cracking on the race, and how there's a double standard.

[Testosterone]

There's no such thing as "reverse racism." It's a ploy developed by liberals to make whites feel guilt. To make whites feel as if they are the only "racist" on earth. To make our every breath filled with regret.

This is hardly the case. Most of the populace on earth is racist towards whites, and hates our guts.

[Miss X]

HAHAHAHA. Thx for the laugh Testosterone, come back and play when your point of view actually holds some weight. Bye now, don't let the common sense hit your ass on the way out.....

[Caiylania]

Intense thread.

Races joking on themselves...... This is how I see it.

A black man walks up to a black man and cracks a joke about their race, the second man knows it's not meant to be racist because the other guy is black to, so he can laugh.

A white/hispanic/etc..... man walks up and cracks the same joke and the black man is going to be pissed, because he doesn't know the intention behind it, therefore it appears racist.

As for reverse racism, I had a friend bitch because, there is no 'white history' month. She said, if we had a white history month it would be considered racist. Well, that is because, as a whole, WHITE is not a culture, or have a shared 'history'.

Irish history month wouldn't be racist, English history, French, history, etc..... these are cultures. They share a fact that they for a long time were soley made up of a people that shared white colored skin. Does that make sense??

[GSLeloo]

It's like making fun of a member of your family. It's ok because they're YOUR family but the moment someone else does you get defensive. I can make fun of my father as much as I want but I know I love him and if you make fun of him I'll break your jaw.

It's the same with my race. You are white and call yourself a cracker, fine, I don't care cause I know you're not serious. But if you call someone white a cracker and your skin is orange, now I have a problem.

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by Caiylania
Well, that is because, as a whole, WHITE is not a culture, or have a shared 'history'. Black isn't any more of a culture than white is.

[GSLeloo]

I think what they mean is that black is how people refer to the African (American) race. As black. That's why it's better to call them African Americans cause you're actually calling them by their race rather than treating their skin as their race.

[Tsa`ah]

As Latrinsorm pointed out, black isn't anymore of a culture than white is.

You can argue that "black" refers to African, I can in turn as, "What part of Africa, because that is one large continent."

Then you get into other points such as not all black people are of African heritage.

White and black are just generic labels and using one label to describe an entire culture is the epitome of ease and laziness.

An observed holiday that center on race is indeed racist. The focus of black history month is centered on the history and achievements of black Americans, not black Europeans or black Australians.

The claim that cries of racism would be raised in opposition of a white history month is indeed true. In non-voluntary education children and teenagers sit in history class and learn all about American history, black and white and native and many of those that immigrated. Yet one month is set aside just so we can focus on black history.

It's insulting to an intelligent person on every level. Here we are supposed to learn tolerance, we're supposed to dissuade racism, yet race preference and observance is at the very cornerstone of education.

Racism will never die if we keep it in the limelight of our youth's education.

[imported_Kranar]

I'm African-American.

P.S. - I'm not black.

[GSLeloo]

I have a kid in my class who's totally white and like white blond hair and he's an African-American (his white mother was born in Africa)

Also there are people living in Africa whose parents skin color would be considered black but they're white cause they're albino...

[Staerin]

The whole concept of racism is retarded. And those who support racist actions just have inferiority issues.

[Faent]

>>It just gets on my nerves severely to see people trying to say someone else is wrong for what he/she believes. That in it self is the truest(i know i cant spell) form of discrimination. -Someone

>>That has been my point this entire time... -Bobmuwhatever

Geniuses. Both of you. People who believe 1 + 1 = 3 are wrong. People who believe that other individuals are worth less than them solely in virtue of their race or nationality are wrong idiots.

>>Bobmuhthol: And if you think that song is racist... Then I disagree, but have no power. -Bobmuhthol

More evidence the boy is dense.

>>I hate all white people. <--- not racist because I'm white. -Bobmuhthol

So you hate yourself, eh? Is that why you post white chauvinistic songs by bigoted bands whose music is distributed by racist labels? You want attention? Typical lost adolescent. Grow up.

-Scott

[Edited on 4-18-2004 by Faent]

[Testosterone]

Whites have a very distinct culture.

Blacks have a very distinct culture.

These cultures are different. You can't argue this. It would be retarded to do so.

[HarmNone]

Russians have a very distinct culture. The French have a very distinct culture. The Kikuyu of Kenya have a very distinct culture. All are different. So what?

HarmNone

[Testosterone]

It's called Western culture. All European nations, the United States and a few other countries are part of it. It's more or less the same. It is an advanced culture.

On the contrary we have African culture. It is very primitive.

[HarmNone]

Oh. African culture is primitive, is it? How long, exactly, have you spent in Africa, oh knower of things?

HarmNone reeeealy wants to know

[Testosterone]

If you call living in mud huts, spreading HIV like roaches, starving to death, having the worst life expectancy, and having the worst economy in the world by continent advanced, then yes it is advanced by your standards.

[HarmNone]

Like I said, how long have you spent in Africa? You seem to know ever so much about it, and all. Do tell!

HarmNone, laughing at ignorance

[Testosterone]

I would not go to Africa if my life was on the line. Whites are persecuted in Zimbabwe and South Africa. They are murdered, and their farms are stolen. Go to africa and enjoy all the beauty it has. Go to africa and enjoy what the african americans in this country are missing.

Facts don't lie. Economic facts don't lie. Mortality facts don't lie. STD facts don't lie. A fact is a fact. You cannot accept the fact due to an agenda you have.

[Edited on 4-18-2004 by Weedmage Princess]

[TheEschaton]

You know you're descended from an African, right Testosterone? ;)


I couldn't resist.


-TheE-

[HarmNone]

I HAVE gone to Africa, asshole! I know a good deal more about it than YOU do. I obviously was not murdered, nor was I raped. I thoroughly enjoyed the beauty of the countries, and their people.

Come back when you have grown up and know what the fuck you are talking about, eh? Right now, you're just running off at the mouth, and you're boring the hell out of me. :sleep:

HarmNone, through with stupid

[HarmNone]

Originally posted by TheEschaton
You know you're descended from an African, right Testosterone? ;)


I couldn't resist.


-TheE-

Are we sure, TheE? This one may well be descended from a crawdad!

HarmNone, on creatures with more legs than brain cells

[Testosterone]

Yes, so i guess i'm african american. Let me put that on my application to college, so i can get the benefit they yield to the genetically inferior.

[TheEschaton]

Considering they have the same genes as every other human being, I think it would be hard to describe the genes of any cultures comparatively.


-TheE-

[HarmNone]

Don't bother, Testy. Just check and see if there are any benefits given to the intellectually inferior. That should cover you quite nicely.

HarmNone thinks you could get one of those

[Hulkein]

While I don't agree with all Testosterone says, they are the most primitive populated continent. Doesn't really matter if you have lived there or not.. if the statistics are there. (I'm just guessing his are right, I haven't actually checked, but I don't see any other continent beating shitty Africa when it comes to life expectency etc)

[Testosterone]

Originally posted by TheEschaton
Considering they have the same genes as every other human being, I think it would be hard to describe the genes of any cultures comparatively.


-TheE-

Africa is primitive. Fact.

Comparatively, we all contain the same number of genes, just different codings. I can have 18 letters that make no sense, or i can have a well constructed sentence.

IQ tests also don't lie. Fact. They deviated 1 standard deviation from the average white IQ test.

Africans are better sprinters, etc. bla bla bla bla bla. If you can't see this, you're retarded.

[HarmNone]

We might be able to compare those statistics with the statistics for some of our Appalachian peoples, or some of our American Indian tribes, Hulkein. We are a wealthy country, wealthy enough to cover up a whole lot of really ugly things. In a country like ours, with the wealth we have, the fact that poverty, disease, and infant mortality exist at all is a shame we should not lose sight of.

HarmNone

[Testosterone]

Anyone that thinks we're all the same is retarded, plain and simple. They deserve not to be argued with. Same goes with people which think all races are equal.

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by TheEschaton
You know you're descended from an African, right Testosterone? ;)Multiregional hypothesis, kthx. :P

[Weedmage Princess]

It never ceases to amaze me--the absolute load of cockamamie bullshit reasons prejudice/racist people come up with to justify their hatred for certain/other people.

If you're going to be racist or prejudice, fine..but be a man/woman and fess up to the truth. You just don't LIKE other people different than you. It's a lot better than the BS reasons you list.

[Testosterone]

Shut up you liberal moron. Your post does not even deserve a reply.

[HarmNone]

Oh, c'mon, Testy. You can do better than that! Please, regale us with your monumental knowledge of all things! Tell us all about how everyone who is different than that which you prescribe as the proper way to be is not worthy of living. Bless us with more of your fascinating stupidity. Else, we are surely bereft. Yup. Bereft.

HarmNone, bereft and laughing her ass off :lol:

[Weedmage Princess]

Originally posted by Testosterone
Shut up you liberal moron. Your post does not even deserve a reply.

You do your cause a great justice with that response. I can hear them all over the world applauding that display of sheer brilliance. :rolleyes:

[DeV]

Originally posted by Weedmage Princess
It never ceases to amaze me--the absolute load of cockamamie bullshit reasons prejudice/racist people come up with to justify their hatred for certain/other people.

If you're going to be racist or prejudice, fine..but be a man/woman and fess up to the truth. You just don't LIKE other people different than you. It's a lot better than the BS reasons you list. I have nothing but :heart: for you on this statement.

one of profs told me that the concept of "racism" doesn't really exist because there is no such thing as "race." I don't know what the fuck he was talking about, he was saying something like, "The concept of race is defined by the four anthropological attributes." and then something like "but there are individuals with black skin who have caucasoidal bone structure."

[Skirmisher]

Edited: Testes, I was hoping you had a fatal accident of some kind but alas my hopes were dashed and here you are once more.

Go play in traffic please.

[Edited on 4-18-2004 by Skirmisher]

[Testosterone]

You did not post a single ounce of evidence that falsifies anything I posted.

What did you expect me to post? Praising you on your open mind, intelligence (or lack of) and your nice new jeans?

May god have mercy on your soul.



Secondly, your professor is a marxist. Race deniers are the most idiotic people on the face of the earth. There are structural differences between caucasians, and negroids that allow an anthropologist to distinguish the race of a dead carcass of bones with 100% accuracy. Not to mention DNA testing, etc. It's very clear racial lines exist.

[Weedmage Princess]

Just for shits and giggles, I'd love to know your sources. What books do you get your information from? Who are the doctors, scientists and other researchers who have compiled the information you claim to be fact? Would a request for a list be too much to ask?

I'm curious.

I'd also like to point out how you've thrown the word "agenda" around as if your "sources" don't have one of their own.

[Skirmisher]

Come one Weedie, you've been to our monthly meetings.

He's on to us. Shall we remove this danger to our plans for world domination from play? Radio command for instructions.

The chair is against the wall and all that.

[Weedmage Princess]

ROFL Skirm!

[Ravenstorm]

Originally posted by Weedmage Princess
I'd also like to point out how you've thrown the word "agenda" around as if your "sources" don't have one of their own.

I love the word "agenda". It's such a nice word and is bandied about by simply everyone. The homosexual agenda. The liberal agenda. The Republican agenda. The Communist agenda. It's so absolutely frought with implications and subtleties about ulterior motives and hidden intentions. It's like a James Bond movie.

Anyway. Their agenda? It's to find someone to blame so they don't have to take the responsibility for being losers themselves. I don't think it really qualifies as an agenda though. It's more like desperate grasping at straws. See, they know deep in their hearts they're losers but aren't ready to admit it yet.

C'mon Testie. Step out of the closet. Proudly proclaim your losership and be free. Cast off your shackles and dance joyously along the road of loserdom. Only by being willing to admit how low you have sunk can you eventually rise to the status of being hopeless. Why some day? You might make it up to the level of 'not entirely a waste of oxygen'.

We're all rooting for you, little guy!

Raven

[HarmNone]

I think the "little guy"'s mommy made him go to bed. ;)

HarmNone hopes somebody tucked him in well...with a pillow over his head so the boogie man doesn't scare him...

[Edited on 4-18-2004 by HarmNone]

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by Stanley Burrell
something like "but there are individuals with black skin who have caucasoidal bone structure." Sounds like the Ainu. Boy do they ever have a fun history.

[Ravenstorm]

Heh. Speaking of racism...

http://elfonlyinn.keenspace.com/d/20040413.html

Raven

[DeV]

Nice one Raven.

[Mint]

Jay posted that in another thread.

http://forum.gsplayers.com/viewthread.php?tid=6214


[Edited on 4-18-2004 by Mint]

Test, I wasn't trying to disprove anything you might have said sorry. Anyway, Marxist guerrillism has died out and been replaced with radical Islam.

[Faent]

>>You did not post a single ounce of evidence that falsifies anything I posted. -Testosterone

ROFL. Not one iota of your posts has proved a damn thing. There's nothing in your posts to falsify, skinhead.

>>Secondly, your professor is a marxist. Race deniers are the most idiotic people on the face of the earth. -Testosterone

You know his professor is Marxist because of what? Golly I wish I could be as rational as you! What a bright boy you are. Will you please teach me to leap to conclusions as hastily as you do?

Do you know what your ilk needs? To be violated anally by an overweight black woman with more intelligence than you (probably the majority of them) who owns a big, black strap-on. Daily. For years. Until you get some goddamn humility beat into your stupid, raw ass <pun intended>.

-Scott

[Weedmage Princess]

I'm still waiting for Testosterone's list of sources and their credentials.

While different races do have minor differences (mostly physical attributes), there are no major differences that makes one race "superior" to another.

The differences of the races stem mostly from adaptation to certain areas for survival. As man migrated to different areas of the Earth, their physical attributes changed over time. As they migrated north away from the heat and direct sunlight into cooler climates, skin tones began to change...there isn't as much sun that man in those areas needed protection from. Your hair, which serves as a protectant for your head..thinned out cause the elements were different. The human body really is an amazing thing.

My source you ask? You can look at any science text book from say sixth grade on. Usually towards the front of the textbooks the author(s) are listed, along with what university they attended and their various degrees.

The idea of a "superior race" was actually started when man started began to travel (not migrate) to various areas of the world and encountered people they never saw before--the theory was born from fear and (mostly) being naive. Some say it was also a "justification" for the enslavement of others.

I've never been to Africa myself, but I do know of a few people from more developed areas of the continent. Contrary to what it seems the popular belief of some people on this board might be, Africa isn't just one giant wasteland desert and jungle ridden with disease. There are some more developed countries..and the people I've met from said areas are "very" intelligent. Emeka Okafor type intelligent. Doctors, scientists, biologists, so on and so forth. (If you don't recognize the name Emeka Okafor, he plays basketball on the U Conn team--very, very smart young man--guess where from? AFRICA OMG WTF!!!)

There are reasons Africa is the way it is and contrary to what you might "think" or what you might have been lead to believe by others with their "agenda", a lot of Africa's poverty issues stem from many of the countries/tribes constant wars, among other things. By the way, don't think the United States remains the great power it is because of "Western European ancestry", which is hinted at in the arguments of some. One of the main reason the United States has gone unscathed for so many years boils down to one thing. Geography. In case you've forgotten, our continent is surrounded by two huge bodies of water which seperates us from most of the world. (when I say world, I mean other powerful nations who would be considered a threat to us) If you believe that if the United States was located on the European, Asian or African continent that we wouldn't have seen our rise and fall from power just like most of the other "world powers" then you're sadly mistaken and very naive. The fact that our location in the world kept wartime damage very miminal and leaving us little post-war expenses (such as rebuilding, outbreaks of horrible disease, many civilian casualties, etc) allowed us to focus on other issues...such as technology and increased military spending. This is one of the main reasons we've always been ahead of the game in those regards compared to other countries. Now that technology has made geography less and less of an issue, you notice that us Americans aren't secure as we once were. I think 9/11 proved that. But after all those years of focusing on making our military and security a major issue we're still in pretty good shape.

Anyway...back to the initial focus of my pos: Time and science has since proven the theory of a "superior race" to be at best--extremely wrong. However the theory these days is carried on by those with their own "agenda." Usually it's a way to justify continued hate and intolerance.

Again, I say...if you want dislike a race or group of people for no real reason at all other than you just do--that's your perogative. I won't try to talk a racist or hate-monger out of their hatred. But atleast stand up and be honest...don't try to justify your intolerance with outdated myths. It's a lot more respectable when you're honest.

[Edited on 4-18-2004 by Weedmage Princess]

[DianaBanana]

Originally posted by Stanley Burrell
one of profs told me that the concept of "racism" doesn't really exist because there is no such thing as "race." I don't know what the fuck he was talking about, he was saying something like, "The concept of race is defined by the four anthropological attributes." and then something like "but there are individuals with black skin who have caucasoidal bone structure."

I have an anthro degree, I know what he was talking about. Since I'm horrible at explaining things I just wont. But feel free to go look it up. :smilegrin:

[Bobmuhthol]

Way to continue the thread stupidly.

While I was watching four movies and playing Halo for twelve hours, no less.

In conclusion, this thread sucks now.

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by Weedmage Princess
The differences of the races stem mostly from adaptationTestosterone doesn't believe in evolution, btw.

[Back]

Originally posted by Testosterone
It's called Western culture. All European nations, the United States and a few other countries are part of it. It's more or less the same. It is an advanced culture.

On the contrary we have African culture. It is very primitive.


Advanced. I really wonder about that. How have we advanced socially? I'm not talking about technology here. Social issues. I think I can say with a pretty strong conviction based on current events without having to site any sources that people are still just people.

Western culture is nothing more than a speck on the history of this world. There have been longer dynastys that didn't make it.

Its a global culture now. It involves everyone on this planet. Its not us against them. Its us against ourselves.

To get back on topic, without having read every single post in this thread, I will say that one thing I am sure of. There is racisim. There is a fucking "ism" for everything you can think of. I disagree with candy-coating it in obscure legal rhetoric.

[Weedmage Princess]

Originally posted by Latrinsorm
Testosterone doesn't believe in evolution, btw.

Someone--I forget who--mentioned a theory that the White man actually came from the Moon..that they aren't of this planet. I wonder if that's the theory he prescribes to?

[DeV]

:popcorn: Nice back and forth's. Weedmage has one up on ya, probably more than that.

[HarmNone]

Heh. Having been to Africa, I get pretty miffed when people who do not know anything about the countries there sit back and throw rocks at the culture of the people there. Because a culture does not meet one person's preset views of how thing ought to be, that culture is not automatically to be considered "primitive".

One thing I noticed while there...people smiled at one another. Wherever I wandered, people were genuinely kind. I was greeted with "Jambo!" and a wide, friendly grin, whether I was in a shop in the city, or by the side of the road taking a picture. If that is "primitive", long live "primitive"! :)

HarmNone, murdered and raped, my ass!

[Edited on 4-18-2004 by HarmNone]

[Edaarin]

Emeka Okafor has a higher GPA than me :(

He's also going to graduate with the degree that is similar to the one I'm shooting for a year faster than I will.

he'll get alot more money\bitches then you too.

[Back]

Originally posted by Edaarin
Emeka Okafor has a higher GPA than me :(

He's also going to graduate with the degree that is similar to the one I'm shooting for a year faster than I will.

Some asian you turned out to be.

Which brings up an interesting subject. How many of us feel pressure to portray the sterotype of our race?

Am I a failure as a represenative of the white man because I hate Budweiser, don't chew tobbacy, and not dating my sister?

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by Backlash
Which brings up an interesting subject. How many of us feel pressure to portray the sterotype of our race? I don't. I enjoy outsmarting people who make Polish jokes, but that's not really the same.

[Artha]

I enjoy outsmarting people who make Polish jokes, but that's not really the same.

Do you show them where you wrote down the recipe for ice so you wouldn't forget it?

[Edaarin]

Yeah, no kidding.

As for the stereotypes...yeah, I feel them, it's part of the way life is. It's not something anyone can really change, so best thing to do is just flow with it. The first thing someone sees when they see me isn't a guy, they see an Asian guy. So, good at math, will become an MD, and probably has taken a year or two of some sort of martial arts.

I'll admit it, I see the same things sometimes too. Like with either of my roommates the last few years, black athletes from areas like Newport News and VA beach. One of the best things about living with someone that's not from the same culture as you is dispelling all those stereotypes and learning about something that you didn't grow up with.

[HarmNone]

Originally posted by LatrinsormWhich brings up an interesting subject. How many of us feel pressure to portray the sterotype of our race?

Heh. As a caucasian, I would not know how to go about portraying a caucasian sterotype. It differs from area to area, even within countries that consider themselves primarily caucasian, like the US.

I guess, if I were in the northeastern area of the country, I could portray a redneck. In the south, I would have to do it differently, as I would if I were out west.

We may have found a new roleplaying game! :D

HarmNone, looking for a huge belt buckle and a Stetson hat so she can pretend she's a Texan

[GSLeloo]

Not only that races also feel like they have to try to fit in when they aren't the majority.

Such as this thing I saw on MTV about how many people on Japanese, Korean, and Chinese race go through this surgery to get this fold on their eye. Now I had no clue what they were talking about but it really bothered them that most Americans and Europeans have this fold and the majority of them don't.

[Drew2]

Originally posted by HarmNoneHarmNone, looking for a huge belt buckle and a Stetson hat so she can pretend she's a Texan

WHAT THE

I'll have you know I do not and have never owned a cowboy hat NOR a belt buckle and I've lived in Texas my whole life. I have also never ridden a horse (past the age of 5) and have never delt with any form of cattle.

DAMN THE STEREOTYPES.

[HarmNone]

I think you are talking about the epicanthal fold, Leloo. The Asian peoples normally have this fold, while most Occidentals do not. Asian people sometimes have surgery to have the fold removed. :)

HarmNone

[Drew2]

I'd also like to add that HarmNone rides broomsticks and makes potions in her spare time.

[HarmNone]

Originally posted by Tayre
WHAT THE

I'll have you know I do not and have never owned a cowboy hat NOR a belt buckle and I've lived in Texas my whole life. I have also never ridden a horse (past the age of 5) and have never delt with any form of cattle.

DAMN THE STEREOTYPES.

Hee! I knew that with the proper bait I could draw a Tayre! :D

HarmNone, feeling ornery

[peam]

Originally posted by Backlash
How many of us feel pressure to portray the sterotype of our race?


Not me. Though I don't think white people see themselves as fitting into stereotypes so much as feeling as though they should be ashamed of their race.

[Bobmuhthol]

<<I guess, if I were in the northeastern area of the country, I could portray a redneck.>>

The following map shows the area where people laugh at HarmNone.

[HarmNone]

Originally posted by Tayre
I'd also like to add that HarmNone rides broomsticks and makes potions in her spare time.

YOU have been spying again!:smug:

HarmNone, stirring the cauldron

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by HarmNone

Originally posted by LatrinsormWhich brings up an interesting subject. How many of us feel pressure to portray the sterotype of our race? Backlash actually said that originally, not me.
Originally posted by Artha
Do you show them where you wrote down the recipe for ice so you wouldn't forget it?It's right next to my "vote for Kerry" buttons. :P

[HarmNone]

Ish. Thanks, Latrinsorm. Sorry, Backlash! :blush:

HarmNone, of the mixed quotes

[TheEschaton]

The first thing someone sees when they see me isn't a guy, they see an Asian guy. So, good at math, will become an MD, and probably has taken a year or two of some sort of martial arts.

At least your career options aren't limited to engineer, computer scientist, doctor, 7-11 owner, or cab driver.

-TheE-

[HarmNone]

Oddly enough, I do not find myself making those assumptions about people based on the color of their skin, or their country of origin. I have known far too many "exceptions" to do so. In fact, the "exceptions" I have known outnumber the sterotypes by quite a large margin. :)

HarmNone

[TheEschaton]

In actuality - my father is the only exception to the rule that I know. And my mother.

All the Indians I met in college - their parents were doctors or engineers. I have three uncles, one in Silicon Valley, two in Eastern Mass who are all computer scientists. One of them is married to a computer scientist. The other two wives stay at home. Our neighbors are Indian, and they're both doctors.

It really is odd. I keep expecting to meet a non-stereotypical Indian one of these days...but it never happens. We don't really run in the Indian crowd, though.

-TheE-

[HarmNone]

I know an Indian hotel owner, an Indian chef, a couple of Indian nurses, and an Indian attorney, just off the top of my head. I guess much depends on where you live...or something. :?:

HarmNone

[Tsa`ah]

Originally posted by Backlash
Which brings up an interesting subject. How many of us feel pressure to portray the sterotype of our race?


World domination is a bitch, let me tell you.

[i remember halloween]

i know an indian drug dealer/addict that works at a 7-11 in new jersey

[GSLeloo]

..where in New Jersey? What town?

[i remember halloween]

wayne (willowbrook is there)
its also where i lived for the first 18 years of my life

[Edited on 4-19-2004 by i remember halloween]

[GSLeloo]

Oh I know Wayne. I'm in Midland Park. We also have a 7-11 with an Indian that works at it... and right next to us, Wycoff has a 7-11 with an Indian who runs it... that sounds racist and now I feel bad.

[i remember halloween]

see thats your problem. stating a fact isn't racism.

[Artha]

Making note of someone's race != racist

[i remember halloween]

unfortunately the ridiculous political correctness left has literally brainwashed so many people into thinking even mentioning race is racism as leloo so conveniently demonstrated. people need to objectively consider things every now and then, especially when it's a societal stigma. most of the time, it's bullshit.

[Bobmuhthol]

People are brainwashed about a large number of topics. This is no surprise.

[GSLeloo]

I know it's not bad but I sort of hate looking at anyone and seeing them as a race rather than as a person. Like I look at old people that look dirty and smell bad and I sort of prejudge them and I HATE that so much but I do it a lot so I try not to.

[Testosterone]

Originally posted by Weedmage Princess

Originally posted by Latrinsorm
Testosterone doesn't believe in evolution, btw.

Someone--I forget who--mentioned a theory that the White man actually came from the Moon..that they aren't of this planet. I wonder if that's the theory he prescribes to?

No, no, no..

In Malcom X's autobiography he details the creation of the white race. It goes something like this…

Thousands of years ago there were only negro's populating earth. These negro's bred advanced scientists, far more advanced than we have today. One of these special scientists became insane, and started experimenting with the local population. He started altering genes and thus created a new, lighter skinned person. They kept breeding this litter skinned person, and after generations of selective breeding they created the White race. The white race was smart, evil, and eventually would go on to conquer the world.

Now that that's over, people love to miss quote me. I don't believe in macro evolution. I don't believe in abiogenesis. I firmly believe in natural selection and survival of the fittest leading to microevolutionary adaptation.

It is not surprising that people are brainwashed on a whole set of topics. It is surprising that these topics all transcend to a greater cause. The cause of the international jew.

[peam]

Originally posted by Testosterone

Originally posted by Weedmage Princess

Originally posted by Latrinsorm
Testosterone doesn't believe in evolution, btw.

Someone--I forget who--mentioned a theory that the White man actually came from the Moon..that they aren't of this planet. I wonder if that's the theory he prescribes to?

No, no, no..

In Malcom X's autobiography he details the creation of the white race. It goes something like this?

Thousands of years ago there were only negro's populating earth. These negro's bred advanced scientists, far more advanced than we have today. One of these special scientists became insane, and started experimenting with the local population. He started altering genes and thus created a new, lighter skinned person. They kept breeding this litter skinned person, and after generations of selective breeding they created the White race. The white race was smart, evil, and eventually would go on to conquer the world.

Now that that's over, people love to miss quote me. I don't believe in macro evolution. I don't believe in abiogenesis. I firmly believe in natural selection and survival of the fittest leading to microevolutionary adaptation.

It is not surprising that people are brainwashed on a whole set of topics. It is surprising that these topics all transcend to a greater cause. The cause of the international jew.

I'm not sure, but I believe the whole "white race being created by evil scientists" thing was an official part of the Black Muslim dogma. Malcolm X was part of this group, but after a trip to Mecca, he learned about the original, and less hilarious, Muslim dogma.

I've no idea if Black Muslims still believe the scientist jive, but it's one of the more creative/hilarious explanations of creation out there.

[Bobmuhthol]

Malcolm X was also one of the most famous racists in the history of mankind. Racist is the only word that can describe him.

He also did drugs in jail.

[i remember halloween]

Originally posted by GSLeloo
I know it's not bad but I sort of hate looking at anyone and seeing them as a race rather than as a person. Like I look at old people that look dirty and smell bad and I sort of prejudge them and I HATE that so much but I do it a lot so I try not to.

hate whatever you want. that doesn't change the fact that what you said was not racist in anyway.

[Hulkein]

I demand reparations for the negro scientists breeding and holding my ancestors captive. Malcom X has set me free.


Edit for typo.

[Edited on 4-19-2004 by Hulkein]

[Warriorbird]

And they'll have you going... and they'll pitch their cause which you and any other righthinking person wouldn't agree with, but they'll almost seem logical. Then, only then, to they bring out statements like that.

Hitler was a skilled revolutionary and a powerful speaker. He was also a man of his times. The Jewish people were the perfect target, the perfect scapegoat for him to build his trip into power around and fuel his cause.

To even think that some "international jewish conspiracy" is running everything is laughable.

The Iraq war is the perfect example of the paradoxes this sordid sort of thinking leads to. Wolfowitz and a whole lot of conservative Jewish folks have certainly influenced the war on Iraq, and the US's current Middle East occupation focii. This should obviously have all the white supremacists around up in arms. Yet, at the same time they're dominating a bunch of Muslims and Muslim countries...

Which in the supremacist's point of view are logically, "inferior to the white race."

Hopefully many of these folks will someday put it together that Hitler was just riding a cause to power... a cleverly picked one, certainly, but the black haired fellow with the marvelous speaking voice was playing them all. Still plays them from beyond the grave.

Malcolm X is the man.

[GSLeloo]

~hisses~ It stole my reply....

Hitler did not really hate the Jews and his plan wasnt really to kill them all. His plan and vision was to create a master race and he needed living space to do that. The Jews worked well in two ways, they were scapegoats to bring the Germans together against a common enemy, and they were in the way of the living space as all as the gypsies, homosexuals, and handicapped.

[TheEschaton]

Damn, i remember halloween. I knew two kids in college from Wayne, NJ.

I won't mention their names, though, cause I thought they were pretty big goddamn assholes.

What school you go to?

-TheE-

[TheEschaton]

And furthermore, Malcolm X later recanted the Nation of Islam, on embracing the true Islam, and became much more on level with what MLK, Jr. was saying at the time, though he still believed the white man could not be trusted to give the black man his freedom.


Given where we are 40 years later, I can't say he was wrong much.

-TheE-

[DeV]

Originally posted by i remember halloween

Originally posted by GSLeloo
I know it's not bad but I sort of hate looking at anyone and seeing them as a race rather than as a person. Like I look at old people that look dirty and smell bad and I sort of prejudge them and I HATE that so much but I do it a lot so I try not to.

hate whatever you want. that doesn't change the fact that what you said was not racist in anyway.

Leloo it's not racism or racist to recognize color/culture when describing an individual. Everyone is prejudiced in a sense when it comes to race or culture.

On a side note: Stereotypes were made to be broken, the more we squash them the better our understanding of each other.

[Ravenstorm]

So true.

Raven

[Testosterone]

Originally posted by TheEschaton
And furthermore, Malcolm X later recanted the Nation of Islam, on embracing the true Islam, and became much more on level with what MLK, Jr. was saying at the time, though he still believed the white man could not be trusted to give the black man his freedom.


Given where we are 40 years later, I can't say he was wrong much.

-TheE-

The fact that he could write such idiocy is all that matters. As well as the other followers of the Nation of Killing Whitey.

[Testosterone]

P.S. Whoever thinks we're all the 'same' because we have the same quantity of genetic material is a absolute moron.

This notion of equality has been disproved time and time again. It's just blatantly obvious, using common sense and science that we are all not the same. We have unique characteristics, different intelligence levels, and different physical abilities. Certain races have certain variations of genes that allow them to be superior in tasks. These differences transcend just the color of skin. They include skeletal structure, cranial size, muscle fiber type density.. etc..

A paleontologist can identify the race of a dead carcass of bones. A scientist can identify the race of an individual by examining his DNA makeup. These aren’t lies. Anyone who cannot accept that there exist differences cannot objectively look at the facts.

[Testosterone]

DP

[Edited on 4-19-2004 by Testosterone]

[DeV]

And when it all boils down to it, who gives a fuck. Live and let live.

[Testosterone]

Who gives a fuck are the Islamists, Jews, Chinese, Indians, and Negro's.

Who doesn't give a fuck are whites.

It's no coincidence that whites are 12% of the world population, europe cannot sustain its population, and we are being invaded by third world islam and the likes of.

This will spell doom to our culture and civilization.

It all leads back to the phrase eloquently put by DarkelfVoid, "Who gives a fuck."

[DeV]

We have unique characteristics, different intelligence levels, and different physical abilities. Certain races have certain variations of genes that allow them to be superior in tasks. These differences transcend just the color of skin. They include skeletal structure, cranial size, muscle fiber type density.. etc..
Yes, races are different genetically. Our genes make us different, this we know. So what, were all different. Hence, me saying who gives a fuck. Don't twist my shit. Its in reference to those thinking that the differences makes one race better or worse than another.

[Weedmage Princess]

Originally posted by DarkelfVold


We have unique characteristics, different intelligence levels, and different physical abilities. Certain races have certain variations of genes that allow them to be superior in tasks. These differences transcend just the color of skin. They include skeletal structure, cranial size, muscle fiber type density.. etc..
Yes, races are different genetically. Our genes make us different, this we know. So what, were all different. Hence, me saying who gives a fuck. Don't twist my shit. Its in reference to those thinking that the differences makes one race better or worse than another.

Exactly. And again, the differences are minor. As far as the argument regarding bone structure and such, Testosterone...I can see how there might be differences between people of European descent and those of direct African descent. (as in, their parents came from Africa) In some cases, the difference is notable, looking at their face. I'd like to see some proof..sources that is..about that partaining to most African Americans...who are many generations removed. It's pretty easy to distinguish an African from an American...facial features/structures tend to be different. You'll notice that despite some differences, a lot of African Americans tend to have bone structure similar to the Europeans...this I always figured due in part to the Whites "breeding" (as you'd probably put it) with Blacks during the days of slavery. It was very common place for White male slave owners to have intercourse with Black female slaves..sometimes rape, other times they just took Black mistresses... often impregnating them.

Also, you never did list your sources that refute the points I brought up in a prior post, where I gave the scientific explanation about the minor differences between the races. I'll assume you just missed the request?

[Edited on 4-19-2004 by Weedmage Princess]

[Ravenstorm]

Originally posted by Weedmage PrincessAlso, you never did list your sources that refute the points I brought up in a prior post, where I gave the scientific explanation about the minor differences between the races. I'll assume you just missed the request?

Weedie hon... You're giving him entirely too much credit. Like a baby bird, he's only able to regurgitate back up what he's been fed. And he's only been fed rote phrases based on the flawed writings of the same few people. Their little flock keeps throwing up the same thing, back and forth to each other, like children playing a game of hot potato, and then congratulating themselves on how clever they are without once realizing that they haven't had an original thought in years and that everything they spew has been disproven by a host of real research.

Testie... Let me give you some advice, little bird. Whoever it was who fed you all this by regurgitating it into your mouth so you can vomit it back up verbatim hasn't done you any favors. You may have been told it was a big, juicy worm so you would eagerly swallow it and keep asking for more but in reality it's nothing more than a fat piece of shit. Open your eyes and look outside your box. Realize that your worm doesn't look like a worm, it doesn't smell like a worm, and in fact, doesn't taste like a worm. Realize that it looks, tastes and definitely smells like shit. You'll find real worms out there once you start looking.

Until you do? You might kid yourself into believing that you're some high flying bird of prey when in reality you're nothing more than a pigeon with a mouth full of shit. Spit it out and find yourself a worm.

Raven

[GSLeloo]

I guess I'm not the only one who feels Testosterone is just that... a guy with way too much floating in his system that spouts off this macho whites are good bullshit because it's all his hormone infested mine can comprehed.

[GSLeloo]

Oh and the genome itself is the same for everyone. The difference is the chemical bases which code for the protein that produce the different characters (hair, blood, eye). The sequence itself is universal for human beings.

[Skirmisher]

Nah Leloo, we of course see his ridiculous notions for what they are.

I for one just don't even get into it with him much anymore. Do you debate someone who declares the earth is really flat? No. It gives the idiocy more credit and energey than it is worth.

I'll dabte with him in some threads where he can speak in a more rational manner, but in the majority of those such as this one i summon the willpower to ignore it.

[Testosterone]

We all have the same number of chromosomes, we all have the same number of genes. THIS MEANS SHIT.

Genes code for a poly-peptide sequence. It can code for rubbish or it can code for an amino acid. 1 change in the amino acid sequence of the protein hemoglobin creates the genetic mutation known as sickle cell anemia.

I'm sick of fucking morons saying "we're all the same, we have the same number of genes." This is the most ridiculous argument i ever heard in my life. What matters is the coding of the genes, not the amount of genes present. What matters is which genes are dominant and which are recessive. What matters is which genes are likely to be inherited in conjunction with others (gene linkage).


Skirmisher, you just showed how stupid and ignorant you are. There exist no correlation with “the earth is flat” and “certain races exhibit certain tendencies.”

[GSLeloo]

So... basically because randomly certain people have this recessive gene and others have this dominant gene that we should choose to hate them for something they have no control over? That is ignorance...

Hate someone because they smell, hate someone because they are an asshole, hate someone because they enjoy killing small animals or raping children or because they choose to do an action you disagree with. Don't hate someone for something they have no control over, had no choice in, and were simply born into to make the best of it.

Should someone hate you because your penis isn't the right size? That's ridiculous, it's genetic after all. Or is that what this is all about? You're small in some way so you bark loud, like a tiny dog?

[Testosterone]

Whether you like my posts or not, i don't care. I present my views in a clear, scientific and logical manner. Yet you forgo to accept my conclusions due to an underlining guilt that plagues your every breath. I freed myself of this guilt a long time ago. Now I can think more clearly, and be able to rationalize for myself based on the evidence I see. I do not invoke my opinions from authority, or anyone else but base it on hard facts.

For you to not look at science and the facts objectively shows that you are in denial of the truth. If you can elaborate about why you cannot accept the truth, it would make this easier and clearer.

I just hope someday you can rid your mind of what you think you know in search of the real truth.

This goes for GSretardo, skirmisher, and anyone else for that matter.

Remember now - "We're all the same because we have the same quantity of genes." Roflmao..

[GSLeloo]

You just made yourself an idiot... you ask us to look at science and not be blindsided by our views. That is exactly what you are doing. You truly are an idiot because you have taken science and ignored half of what it says to only listen to the half that tells you that certain traits are dominant and others are recessive.

That's very good, that was learned a long time ago and used in crops to create the best crops. Very good, we learned that in seventh grade. We have also learned far more than that if you choose to get to present day science. Truly there is no point in arguing with you because you have trained yourself to believe only one thing and it won't matter how much proof is presented to you, you will not change.

But back to my original theory about size, even the name you chose for yourself sort of shows us that you really must be lacking somewhere to keep trying to portray this macho image.

[Testosterone]

Originally posted by GSLeloo
So... basically because randomly certain people have this recessive gene and others have this dominant gene that we should choose to hate them for something they have no control over? That is ignorance...

Hate someone because they smell, hate someone because they are an asshole, hate someone because they enjoy killing small animals or raping children or because they choose to do an action you disagree with. Don't hate someone for something they have no control over, had no choice in, and were simply born into to make the best of it.

Should someone hate you because your penis isn't the right size? That's ridiculous, it's genetic after all. Or is that what this is all about? You're small in some way so you bark loud, like a tiny dog?

I don't hate people like you think.

My goal is to have a world in which my children can have a good life. My goal is to pass on my genetic information, which has been refined for thousands of years to my children. My goal is for the survival of western civilization. My goal is the survival of my people.

My enemies are the people who corrupt western civilization, kill my people, and want to kill me.

Western civilization has lost its will. We have no will to do anything. We praise diversity, even if it causes tension, crimes, and poverty. We lower our standards for people that are not like us. We accept non-white immigrants to this country in record numbers.

The trend shows that this is leading to the deterioration of our civilization. If you are ok with this, and accept it, your mind is corrupt beyond repair. This is true for most whites. We have a burning passion of hate in ourselves, for ourselves.

On the contrary, we have the other species. They are homogenous, non assimilatory, and strive for the survival of their kind. They are willing to die for their kind.

Our life is a big circle of nothingness. We have nothing to die for, and thus the reason we will soon perish.

[Testosterone]

I don't try to portray a macho image. I am who I am, and I don't care if you don't like it. I try to educate people here, open their eyes to the reality of the world. The reality that western civilization will soon be extinct.

Many accept this, but I don’t.

[DeV]

Testosterone, you just showed what you have an over-abundance of. Your mind is filled with bullshit which has turned into diarrhea and you are spilling forth my friend. Why don't you do us all a favor and shut your shitter.

Im sick of fucking morons like you saying "were all different, we have a different number of yada yada yada..." Whatever the fuck your saying because your point is unintelligent. Welcome to America, its one big melting pot. Do you really think your pure?

[Weedmage Princess]

Yet you've still failed to respond to my posts. Interesting.

Day 2 and still have yet to see the sources of your "scientific facts."

[DeV]

Originally posted by Testosterone
I don't try to portray a macho image.

Many accept this, but I don’t.

You don't seem macho to me at all.

[Testosterone]

Why don't you stop reading my posts.

Everything I post is the truth. I don’t think I have to explain myself anymore.

If you wish to debate me on my reasoning, facts, or anything else, then please do.

We will all die sooner or later. The end is the same. Stop fearing death, and try to change the world for your children.

[Edited on 4-20-2004 by Weedmage Princess]

[Nakiro]

:violin:

[Bobmuhthol]

Testosterone presents a valid point, and I'm leaning more towards his views than yours.

That said, he isn't an idiot just because you're arguing with him. I say arguing because it's far from a debate.

[Weedmage Princess]

I'll assume your post wasn't directed at me, Testosterone, since I merely asked you to name your sources and their credentials.

Surely one of superior intellect wouldn't find a mere request reason to go into lunar orbit.

[TheEschaton]

I'm sick of fucking morons saying "we're all the same, we have the same number of genes." This is the most ridiculous argument i ever heard in my life. What matters is the coding of the genes, not the amount of genes present. What matters is which genes are dominant and which are recessive. What matters is which genes are likely to be inherited in conjunction with others (gene linkage).

The code is the same. It is the allele expressed which is different. Again, sickle cell anemia arose because it was favorable due to an environment of malaria. Sickle cell protects AGAINST malaria. Thus, if you had sickle cell, it was a GOOD THING.

Furthermore, your views on primitiveness and civility are ludicrous - the idea of a superior genetic code leading to civilization is erroneous at best, downright dangerous at worst. In the environment around the equator, with yearlong heat and fertility, lifestyles are geared towards the nomadic lifestyle. In the colder climes, part of the year has to be spent in-situ, in shelter, furthermore, it requires methods to stay warm.

Here's a few facts: If life originated in Africa, but Africa was closer to the poles (outside of the Tropics of Capricorn and Cancer), Africans would be light skinned, and probably have developed advanced tools simply to stay alive in their inhospitable environment. If Europe was on the equator, and people migrated from the cold Africa to tropical Europe, Europe would be overrun with villages of scantily clad people, sickle cell anemia would be rampant in Frace and Spain, and a more hunter-gatherer type people would have arisen.

Or, if we were cold blooded - people in extremely hot temperatures would have the same environmental pressures to survive as the people in Europe, extreme cool, and you'd see similar advances, constructed in entirely different ways (one to keep warm, one to keep cool).

It's all about the environment.

-TheE-

[Testosterone]

Originally posted by Weedmage Princess
I'll assume your post wasn't directed at me, Testosterone, since I merely asked you to name your sources and their credentials.

Surely one of superior intellect wouldn't find a mere request reason to go into lunar orbit.

Professor J. Philippe Rushton
University of Western Ontario
London, Ontario, Canada N6A 5C2


http://www.harbornet.com/folks/theedrich/JP_Rushton/Race.htm
Read that website, it outlines all you need to know.


15 IQ deviation - The Bell Curve by Charles Murray & Richard Herrnstein
http://www.harbornet.com/folks/theedrich/JP_Rushton/Chart_06.jpg



Cranial capacity -
Blacks - 1,267 Whites - 1,347 Asians -1,364
http://www.harbornet.com/folks/theedrich/JP_Rushton/Chart_07.jpg


Crime – In the U.S., Blacks are less than 13% of the population but have 50% of all arrests for assault and murder and 67% of all arrests for robbery. Fifty percent of all crime victims also report their assailants are Black, so the arrest statistics cannot be due to police bias.
Bla blab la..etc
http://www.harbornet.com/folks/theedrich/JP_Rushton/Chart_04.jpg


HIV/AIDS -
http://www.harbornet.com/folks/theedrich/JP_Rushton/Chart_05.jpg


"The remarkable resistance to racial science in our times has led to comparisons with the inquisition of Rome, active during the Renaissance.... Astronomy and the physical sciences had their Copernicus, Kepler, and Galileo a few centuries ago; society and the welfare of humanity is the better for it today. In a directly analogous fashion, psychology and the social sciences today have their Darwin, Galton, and Rushton."
---Glayde Whitney, Contemporary Psychology

[Edited on 4-20-2004 by Testosterone]

[Testosterone]

Originally posted by TheEschaton

I'm sick of fucking morons saying "we're all the same, we have the same number of genes." This is the most ridiculous argument i ever heard in my life. What matters is the coding of the genes, not the amount of genes present. What matters is which genes are dominant and which are recessive. What matters is which genes are likely to be inherited in conjunction with others (gene linkage).

The code is the same. It is the allele expressed which is different. Again, sickle cell anemia arose because it was favorable due to an environment of malaria. Sickle cell protects AGAINST malaria. Thus, if you had sickle cell, it was a GOOD THING.

Furthermore, your views on primitiveness and civility are ludicrous - the idea of a superior genetic code leading to civilization is erroneous at best, downright dangerous at worst. In the environment around the equator, with yearlong heat and fertility, lifestyles are geared towards the nomadic lifestyle. In the colder climes, part of the year has to be spent in-situ, in shelter, furthermore, it requires methods to stay warm.

Here's a few facts: If life originated in Africa, but Africa was closer to the poles (outside of the Tropics of Capricorn and Cancer), Africans would be light skinned, and probably have developed advanced tools simply to stay alive in their inhospitable environment. If Europe was on the equator, and people migrated from the cold Africa to tropical Europe, Europe would be overrun with villages of scantily clad people, sickle cell anemia would be rampant in Frace and Spain, and a more hunter-gatherer type people would have arisen.

Or, if we were cold blooded - people in extremely hot temperatures would have the same environmental pressures to survive as the people in Europe, extreme cool, and you'd see similar advances, constructed in entirely different ways (one to keep warm, one to keep cool).

It's all about the environment.

-TheE-

Too stupid to deserve a response.

You proved my point. We evolved differently to accommodate to a different environment. We don’t live in the same environment today.. bla bla bla. Certain species today are more favorable than others… bla bla bla. This all stems from our microevolution thousands of years ago.. bla bla bla.

Western civilization was created by Caucasians..bla bla bla.. Caucasians have distinct evolutionary traits.. bla bla bla. Western civilization is not meant to accomidate certain races.. bla bla bla.

You keep blabbering.

[Edaarin]

Originally posted by Testosterone
Too stupid to deserve a response.

[rambling here]

You keep blabbering.

Ironic, isn't it.

[Tsa`ah]

A psychologist, that's your source?

Funnier by the minute.

Even better is that this psychologist is suggesting that those of Asian descent are superior to whitey in every way.

Maybe it's time to start rethinking you capacity to breath?

[Skirmisher]

Still waiting for a study from Testy that hasn't been denounced by nearly every expert in the field.

:sleep:

[longshot]

This man still thinks the Germans invented radar.

You will be waiting a long time.

[DianaBanana]

Is it just me or does this thread smell? Maybe that's because it's filled with crap!


<----is feeling rude and obnoxious today. :D

[Tendarian]

According to those graphs it is the "Orientals" that are the true supierior race.

[DeV]

I told Testy to :stfu: but he kept on. Now, he looks like a complete :moon: because he only proved his own race isn't superior after all.

:noob:

[Weedmage Princess]

Is that the only source of your information, Testosterone?

I suggest you go to the library and pick up ANY biology book and have a look. The things you are claiming as "fact" are old, old theories that have been proved horribly erroneous many, many times over by *science*

As far as education and crime goes, consider this:

Education.

No education + Poverty = Crime.

I don't know if you're aware of this, but for a long, long time, Blacks in this country were denied an education. Many were not even allowed to be taught how to read. Very few slaves were taught how to read and write. As time passed, slowly but surely Blacks were taught basic things, mostly depending on the slave owners and what they decided they wanted to have them learn.

Even after slavery was done away with, things didn't improve greatly right away. Blacks could then receive schooling, but only in Black schools and only someone very...naive...would even dream of thinking that Black institutes of education were just as good as those for Whites. They weren't. Segregation didn't take place til the mid 20th century...that wasn't that long ago, Testosterone. In the late 70's and 80's, most Blacks entering college were the first ones in their families EVER to attend a college that was on the same academic of Whites. And I'd hope I wouldn't have to go into detail to explain how many Blacks couldn't afford to send their children to college around that time due to cost and their not having jobs that pay them to have such an expense.

Yes, nowadays things are very different. Anyone can get a college education if they really want it. Despite the fact racism does still exist, the same opportunities are available to everyone, so the cry of racism can only go but so far. But it always wasn't this way, as a matter of fact, it wasn't like this until fairly recently--the past 50-60 years.

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by Weedmage Princess
the past 50-60 years.And she would know.

Old jokes are cool again, right?

[Testosterone]

How many times have i stated this exact sentence.

Call me a Yellow supremacist, because I believe asians are genetically more intelligent.

This post is from 3-3-2004 and can be found at http://forum.gsplayers.com/viewthread.php?tid=4912&page=3


quote:

Originally posted by Galleazzo
Stop feeding the racist fucktroll!





Yes, I should be in the KKK because I believe Asians score the highest on IQ tests.

Maybe you should call me a Yellow supremacist.

Now, what aspects of my post do you find racist that are not based on factual information?


The truth is staring you people in the face, yet you STILL cannot accept the consequences of it. You’re pathetic.

Stop blaming everyone else. Oh, it’s whitey’s fault for black poverity, crime, hiv rates, low iq, and their shorter gestation rate. It’s fucking sad, old, and counter-productive. It’s no secret that culture, and crime rates are a byproduct of inferior genes. Today we have integrated schools, blacks get preferential treatment over whites, yet they still cannot compete on SAT scores, or IQ tests. I am not denying blacks are probably the more physically adaptive race. Certain regions that comprise the mongoloids race are the most intelligent. Whites have a very good balance between physical ability, and mental ability. This is what makes us conquers of the world, and creators of what we call western civilization today. This is why I believe we are the most suitable race on earth.

None of the “theories” have been proven false, because they’re not theories. They’re facts. They’re based on observations over time. Cranial size is not a myth, but a fact. Crime rates are not a myth, but a fact. IQ scores are not a myth, but a fact. Black infants develop much sooner than white infants and Caucasian infants.

Everything is a byproduct of our enviroment thousands of years ago. The negro’s evolved in a different environment. They are not suited for today’s society as well as caucasoids or mongoloids. If you cannot accept that, you’re a brainwashed fool.

[Edited on 4-20-2004 by Testosterone]

[GSLeloo]

Originally posted by DarkelfVold
I told Testy to :stfu: but he kept on. Now, he looks like a complete :moon: because he only proved his own race isn't superior after all.

:noob:

<3 to you for your wonderful use of smilies. :D

[GSLeloo]

I don't believe any certain race is predetermined to be smart or to be a criminal. I personally believe that it is the environment in which you live in that determines that.

Let's say one day we were allowed to clone human babies and you cloned a child so you had two of the exact same children... You take one and put it in a loving wealthy home with a good school system. You take the other and put it in a crackhouse with a whore for a mom in some ghetto somewhere in the world. Which are we to believe will be more succesful?

Will both prevail because they are the same race and essentially the same person or will it prove that the environment is more involved in determining the outcome of that child than it's born race is?

[DeV]

Originally posted by Testosterone
They are not suited for today’s society as well as caucasoids or mongoloids. If you cannot accept that, you’re a brainwashed fool.

[Edited on 4-20-2004 by Testosterone] There are millions of black people more suited for life than your pathetic ass. You are the one that appears brainwashed here. You sit here and state that blacks aren't suited for society in this day in age. The crime rate, education statistics, cranial size and countless other "facts" to support your Hitleristic racist views. Boy, you don't know how lucky you are spewing that bullshit from behind a computer. Your better off that way.. fucking Matthew Hale wannabe.

[Testosterone]

They are. Whether your brainwashed mind will accept it or not.

The facts stare you in the face, and you shun away in true liberal fashion.

Nurture plays a certain role in the development of a child. You still must examine why they are in there the first place. Social construct is a direct result of your genetic makeup.

[Testosterone]

Originally posted by DarkelfVold

Originally posted by Testosterone
They are not suited for today’s society as well as caucasoids or mongoloids. If you cannot accept that, you’re a brainwashed fool.

[Edited on 4-20-2004 by Testosterone] There are millions of black people more suited for life than your pathetic ass. You are the one that appears brainwashed here. You sit here and state that blacks aren't suited for society in this day in age. The crime rate, education statistics, cranial size and countless other "facts" to support your Hitleristic racist views. Boy, you don't know how lucky you are spewing that bullshit from behind a computer. Your better off that way.. fucking Matthew Hale wannabe.

Don't read my posts you fucking moron. I did not want this to be turned into a "present the evidence debate" as it would obviously compel people to be infuriated at me. People don't want to see the truth, and when they do see it they get angry.

Lol, now you’re playing Mr. Computer Tough Guy? Calm down boy. It’s clear you’re a very irrational person.

[GSLeloo]

Isn't it funny when the most ignorant try to accuse others that they are in fact the ignorant ones? See my conversation with Ariond where I told him he MAs and he tried to insult me instead. Denial is a bad thing to be in. You may actually be hopeless, how sad.

[Testosterone]

I look at the facts in a rational manner. I make my decisions based on what i see in real life, and what i see as scientific evidence. My opinion is based on data, and my personal experience.

I have a open mind on all subjects, brainwashed liberals like you do not.

[DeV]

Originally posted by Testosterone

Don't read my posts you fucking moron. I did not want this to be turned into a "present the evidence debate" as it would obviously compel people to be infuriated at me. People don't want to see the truth, and when they do see it they get angry.

Lol, now you’re playing Mr. Computer Tough Guy? Calm down boy. It’s clear you’re a very irrational person.

No, Im going to read your posts you fucking pillow head. Being called a moron by you is far from an insult.. so thanks for the compliment mini Hitler. As you can see, I don't negate the "facts", I haven't even asked your dense ass to provide proof. Im not even going to look up anything that you've presented here.
Consider me irrational if you wish. Why don't you lobby down in Washington with some of your views, or write your local congressman. Hell, there are BLACK people ::gasp:: that post on this site. How does that make you feel?

You make decisions based on what you see in real life? Thats a laugh. Funny you are the only one tooting your horn on this topic.

[DeV]

Originally posted by GSLeloo
You may actually be hopeless, how sad. How true. Im done with this numb-skull.

[Skirmisher]

Testy....you may wish to consider that you are not perhaps the best diplomat for your cause.

If there is such a thing.

[GSLeloo]

Oh my mind is far more open than yours. When I look at a person I don't see them as pollution to the Western civilization or as anything other than a person with all the possibilities that I have. I don't see a certain race or a certain country's people as pollution, as less than myself. I allow every person to prove themselves on an individual basis rather than on some ignorant stereotype.

[Bobmuhthol]

You people are no better.

In fact, you're worse.

[Skirmisher]

Bob, you are a clever young man but have so much learning and growing to do that you should ask questions more and state what you think is fact a little bit less.

You are just so wrong in this case that it amazes me that you would post such a thing assuming it was not simply you trying to get a rise out of people as you enjoy doing.