milk

[Xcalibur]

I think it's my favorite brevage overall.

I have a passion with milk, I adore milk, I drink milk with almost everything. I eat chocolate, I drink VERY cold milk. For my hardcore moment, I drink skimmed chocolate milk.

I adore milk

You?

[Edited on 13-4-04 by Xcalibur]

[DeV]

Milk... it does a body good.

[Skirmisher]

Milk is great stuff.

A glass of ice cold milk is one of my favorite things.

I dunno if i'm just odd, but I always liked to drink milk with pizza of all things.

[Wezas]

Originally posted by Skirmisher
I dunno if i'm just odd, but I always liked to drink milk with pizza of all things.

I used to drink milk with everything. Pizza, burgers, pasta, etc.

I've toned down my milk drinking and upped my water & Iced Tea drinking. Milk is now saved for breakfast and chocolate occasions.

[Hips]

Milk is okay, but I get sick if I don't drink it slowly for some reason. :(

[Latrinsorm]

I drank a gallon in 12 hours once. Mmmmm milk. 2% or more, please. Nothing better than a big glass of mlik after a nice 5k. :drool:

[ThisOtherKingdom]

Corporate-owned factories where cows are warehoused in huge sheds and treated like milk machines have replaced most small family farms. With genetic manipulation and intensive production technologies, it is common for modern dairy cows to produce 100 pounds of milk a day— 10 times more than they would produce in nature. To keep milk production as high as possible, farmers artificially inseminate cows every year. Growth hormones and unnatural milking schedules cause dairy cows' udders to become painful and so heavy that they sometimes drag on the ground, resulting in frequent infections and overuse of antibiotics. Cows -- like all mammals -- make milk to feed their own babies -- not humans.


Cow's milk is an inefficient food source. Cows, like humans, expend the majority of their food intake simply leading their lives. It takes a great deal of grain and other foodstuffs cycled through cows to produce a small amount of milk. And not only is milk a waste of energy and water, the production of milk is also a disastrous source of water pollution. A dairy cow produces 120 pounds of waste every day -- equal to that of two dozen people, but with no toilets, sewers, or treatment plants.

In Lancaster County, Pa., manure from dairy cows is destroying the Chesapeake Bay, and in California, which produces one-fifth of the country's total supply of milk, the manure from dairy farms has poisoned vast expanses of underground water, rivers, and streams. In the Central Valley of California, the cows produce as much excrement as a city of 21 million people, and even a smallish farm of 200 cows will produce as much nitrogen as in the sewage from a community of 5,000 to 10,000 people, according to a U.S. Senate report on animal waste.


Dairy products are a health hazard. They contain no fiber or complex carbohydrates and are laden with saturated fat and cholesterol. They are contaminated with cow's blood and pus and are frequently contaminated with pesticides, hormones, and antibiotics. Dairy products are linked to allergies, constipation, obesity, heart disease, cancer, and other diseases.

The late Dr. Benjamin Spock, America's leading authority on child care, spoke out against feeding cow's milk to children, saying it can cause anemia, allergies, and insulin-dependent diabetes and in the long term, will set kids up for obesity and heart disease, America's number one cause of death.

And dairy products may actually cause osteoporosis, not prevent it, since their high-protein content leaches calcium from the body. Population studies, backed up by a groundbreaking Harvard study of more than 75,000 nurses, suggest that drinking milk can actually cause osteoporosis.

Got Milk?

[Hulkein]

I love milk.. Whole milk is the best. I used to drink it a ton, but I still drink a couple cups a day.

[Skirmisher]

Hell yeah.

Milk rocks.

[TheEschaton]

I love milk, but I can only drink skim. Anything more than that is too thick and cloying for me.


-TheE-

[Snapp]

TOK's post


Gross.

I still love me some skim milk.

[Bobmuhthol]

<<I drank a gallon in 12 hours once.>>

...

I often drink over half a gallon in three hours.

[Anebriated]

Nothing better than a big glass of mlik after a nice 5k. :drool:

unless its skim i cant see that as being good. after running milk would be too thick.

[Warriorbird]

I'd also love to see their suggestions for alternate readily available calcium sources.

[Edaarin]

Reminds me of that scene in Snatch where Tommy explains why the human digestive system hasn't evolved to the point where it can break down dairy products...

The only milk I have now is 2% with a bowl of Raisan Bran/Shredded Wheat.

[Nakiro]

Milk is the best.

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by Bobmuhthol
<<I drank a gallon in 12 hours once.>>

...

I often drink over half a gallon in three hours. What can I say, you're awesome. The milk after a run was a joke, btw. Puke. I can't even drink water after a good run.

[GSLeloo]

It's actually been said that drinkign 24 oz of skin or fat-free milk a day will help you lose weight.

[Edaarin]

Reader's Digest had a whole article on that about a half year ago. Personally I think the only reason people lost weight is because they ate less from filling up on milk...but who knows.

Peppers are also supposed to give your metabolism a boost.

[Soulpieced]

Water. 2+ quarts of water a day I believe is the reason I've stayed the same weight despite being inactive for the past 7 months.

[Varsus]

ya water rocks.

and beer...

and food!

-Varsus

Milk sucks ass as a drink. In ceral its the shit, otherwise the sux.

[Shari]

I love milk. I usually have to buy a gallon every week.

I will never get osteoperosis. (I spell right?)

Usually I drink it with sweet things, but sometimes I'll wake up in the middle of the night craving milk so bad its insane. I'll drink like three glasses and go back to bed.

[Weedmage Princess]

Milk with cookies, cake, peanut butter and jelly or fluff and peanut butter sandwiches = the best ever!

I can't just drink a glass of milk with nothing else though.

[Ravenstorm]

Milk. Good.

Milk with peanut butter and jelly. Very good.

Milk with Ovaltine. Excellent.

Warm milk with Ovaltine. Sleep aid for old people.

Raven

[Weedmage Princess]

Ovaline > Nestle Quik, Hershey Syrup, etc. etc.

[Tsa`ah]

Milk is the bomb digidity.

I'm so down.

We usually go through about 8-9 gallons a week in my house. 7 of those are mine.

I drink it straight, step on it with hershey's or nestley's. Use it in cereal, lates and cappuccinos (well until my fucking machine had a stroke .. now I'm deprived).

I would die without milk.

[Sean]

I go though about 1/2 a gallon a semester among the 5 guys who live here.

[longshot]

I guess I'm the only one that's lactose intolerant here.

Milk sucks.

Thank you to the guy from Snatch for his very eloquent explanation at to why.

The only beverage that I know of that will naturally boost your metabolism and help you lose weight is green tea. It has to be green tea, and not brown.

[Miss X]

Milk is yummy, I only drink semi-skimmed, full cream makes me gag. Love it with my cereal in the morning and I drink tea all day so that uses up most of my RDA. Also, I love chips and milk, yummiest thing ever and when I cant sleep I love warm milk, maybe its mind over matter but it really works!

[Vesi]

I use soy milk. I don't drink either one. (well... I drink chocolate soy milk) Plain milk = gross. My mother made me drink it as a child.

Vesi

P. S. Will use regular milk on cereal and such in a crunch.

[ThisOtherKingdom]

Milk is disgusting and you people are sick. If you think you won't get osteoperosis because you drink milk, you are sorely mistaken. Soy milk is infinately better.

Feel sad for you if you drink any other milk other than soy.

Try Soy Dream, Enriched Soy Milk.

[Weedmage Princess]

:rolleyes:

[Tsa`ah]

Soy is not milk.

Soy is bean juice.

Farmers don't wake up at the crack of dawn just to hook milking pumps up to soy beans.

You can call it "milk" all you want, but it's fucking bean juice.

[Weedmage Princess]

<3 Tsa'ah!!! :smug:

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Amen Tsa`ah. Nothing is better that ice cold milk, be it skim, 2% or whole.

On a side note, when I was in Germany (and I've seen it here actually), they had milk that was superhomogenized, and could keep it in the cabinent for months (not refridgerated). It has a unique taste to it, that I actually liked, and would buy just that if I could find it regularly here. Good stuff.

[Skirmisher]

Thats Parmalot stuff that comes in the little boxes.

[Nieninque]

Milk is grotty and Nestle are the devil...bad bad bad babykillers!

[Zanagodly]

What's condensed milk?

We drink that shit in the Army all th etime in the field. ITS FUCKING DISGUSTING AND MAKES ME WANT TO PUKE EVERYTIME. God damn i hate that shit.

[Myshel]

I absolutely love milk, BUT am latose intolerant, so I can't drink it. Can't even eat ice cream anymore without suffering. I drink about a gallon of water a day. I really miss milk.

[Betheny]

Every once in a while I will want chocolate milk.

Other than that, I think it's disgusting.

[DeV]

Originally posted by Myshel
I absolutely love milk, BUT am latose intolerant, so I can't drink it. Can't even eat ice cream anymore without suffering. I drink about a gallon of water a day. I really miss milk. Damn.. you can't eat ice cream. I'll raise my next ice cream bar in a toast to you and others like you.

:saint:

[Skirmisher]

I also will get an upset stomach after eating ice cream, but its not too horrible and darnit ice cream is so good I take the pain.

[Snapp]

Milk kills my stomach anymore.. I don't know if that's the starts of being lactose intolerant or what.. but I just ignore it for the time being because I like milk too much.

[Xcalibur]

milk is "acid", sometimes it's just that.

It depends on what you ate, also, with milk.

[Edited on 14-4-04 by Xcalibur]

[Tsa`ah]

Cold milk is slightly acidic. Warm milk is slightly basic.

The problem they have is intolerance to lactose, almost an allergy, not heart burn.

[Hulkein]

Originally posted by ThisOtherKingdom
Milk is disgusting and you people are sick. If you think you won't get osteoperosis because you drink milk, you are sorely mistaken. Soy milk is infinately better.

Quiet down hippy, soy milk sucks.

[Bobmuhthol]

<<I will never get osteoperosis. (I spell right?)>>

No.

Osteoporosis.

[Wezas]

Originally posted by Soulpieced
Water. 2+ quarts of water a day I believe is the reason I've stayed the same weight despite being inactive for the past 7 months.

^^ I drink at least 2 liters a day of water, the pounds just fall off, even when I eat crappy food.

[ThisOtherKingdom]

Originally posted by Hulkein

Quiet down hippy, soy milk sucks.

Your milk doesn't just fall out of the sky. Think about the consequences of your actions. Their milk isn't fucking intended for human consumption.

http://img42.photobucket.com/albums/v130/ThisOtherKingdom/dairy6big.jpg

[Edited on 4-14-2004 by ThisOtherKingdom]

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by ThisOtherKingdom
Their milk isn't fucking intended for human consumption. Sure, but it's alright to torture soy plants, right? :shrug:

[Artha]

Sure, don't show pictures of all the happy cows.

[Hulkein]

http://www.vet.ed.ac.uk/images/clinical-rotations-services/dairy-cow.jpg

This cow is hanging out, doesn't look like he's living the bad life. He gets put in a room for an hour each morning, gets milked, and then walks around getting fat and relaxing in a nice field. Up with milk!

[ThisOtherKingdom]

Do you live on that farm, Hulkein? Are you milking that cow yourself? If not, it's a pretty safe bet that's not where your milk is coming from. Just for once, don't be an idiot.

[Nieninque]

Originally posted by Hulkein

This cow is hanging out, doesn't look like he's living the bad life. He gets put in a room for an hour each morning, gets milked, and then walks around getting fat and relaxing in a nice field. Up with milk!

You ever tried milking a "he" cow? :lol:

[Hulkein]

Originally posted by ThisOtherKingdom
Do you live on that farm, Hulkein? Are you milking that cow yourself? If not, it's a pretty safe bet that's not where your milk is coming from. Just for once, don't be an idiot.

Hahaha, stop whining hippy. I was kidding. I don't really care if a cow has to be put in a machine for one or two hours then has food stuffed in its face for the rest of the day. I have better things to worry about then the non-existent morale of a fucking COW.

[Hulkein]

Originally posted by Nieninque
You ever tried milking a "he" cow? :lol:

Ya, the milk was scarce and it tasted funny.

[peam]

Guess those cows should've developed an advanced brain!

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

The "flow" that this topic has gone is leaving me "udderly" confused.

[Hulkein]

The flow is easy.. light-hearted topic, then the king of pessimism and bitching comes in and turns it into something it shouldn't be. I'm sure Kingdom will come out with findings that the Bush and the FCC have something to do with the cow situation.

Not to mention he took a joke by me and somehow perceived it as a serious statement, then went on to tell me to not be an idiot. Haa, brilliant!

[peam]

I just can't stand preachy 'meat and anything coming from an animal is wrong' types.

Personal choice, yo.

[ThisOtherKingdom]

Of course it's a personal choice. Unfortunately, it's a choice to be ignorant. Drink milk all you want if you like the taste, but it's NOT good for you. And it was not meant for humans. Admit that, and I'll be fine. Nor is it good for the environment or the cows. Ever try having a little compassion? I guess not, they're just stupid cows. But I bet you wouldn't treat your household pet that way. It's sickening.

[Xcalibur]

Originally posted by peam
I just can't stand preachy 'meat and anything coming from an animal is wrong' types.

Personal choice, yo.

Went to a slaughterhouse at 16. There was girls screaming and all with us, ahh it's so evil, bla bla bla, poor pigs.

When leaving the slaughterhouse, a couple of friends and me went to a steak house.

Moral of the story: booh em, we're the highest part of the pyramid:)

[Vesi]

I don't freak over milk. I use it to cook and if I'm out of soy milk, I'll use it on my cereal. I just don't like to drink it. When I was little, I would let it sit to the end of my meal thinking my mother wouldn't make me drink it. I had to stay at the table until I finished it. By then it was all warm. (yes... I was stubborn) So, I grew up not liking to drink it. I say if you enjoy milk... drink it!

One thing I do about once a year (my mom used to do this too about once a year also) is to get unwhipped heavy cream and pour it over chocolate ice cream. The cream gets all hard. Oy, the fat grams! But it sure is good and very rich. (see... not totally anti-milk products... I can clog my arteries with the best of them!) I love the creamy taste.

I use Silk soy milk. It is always refrigerated. I still don't like to drink it plain... soy or regular.

Vesi

[AnticorRifling]

Milk. Go whole or go home. Skim is colored water, 2% I can stand but whole is where it's at.

[Hulkein]

I'm on the same boat as you for that Anticor, whole milk is the only way to go.

[Weedmage Princess]

2% is cool, 1% isn't bad either. I can't stand skim milk...or soy for that matter. Stuff is gross.

[Mint]

Originally posted by Zanagodly
What's condensed milk?

You can probably guess from the excerpt that this comes from Borden's website:

What is Condensed Milk?

Borden's Eagle Brand Condensed Milk is pure cow's milk properly combined with unadulterated cane sugar.

The milk which is used in Eagle Brand is fresh, pure, full cream milk from healthy cows. The cows are examined and the dairies carefully inspected at regular intervals. The condensaries are located near the dairies, which makes it possible to receive the raw milk in a perfectly fresh state.

The laboratory system maintained by the Borden Company insures milk of an even higher quality than that required under the government pure food laws. From each can of pure raw milk delivered to the plants, a sample is taken and immediately tested by experts to detect the slightest deviation from the required standards.

The milk, having passed the inspectors at the condensary, is put into heating-wells where it is subjected to a temperature of about 206 degrees Fahrenheit by passing a jet of live steam through it. This degree of heat is held for about five minutes in the heating wells. The milk is then passed on to sugar wells where it is mixed with pure sugar which is added for the purpose of preserving. This mixture is then run into vacuum pans where it is held at a temperature of not more than 140 degrees Fahrenheit for a period of from 1 to 1 1/2 hours, the temperature being gradually lowered until the batch is finished. By this process the growth-promoting properties of the milk are not lost, and the fresh milk and pure sugar are properly blended. The finished product is run through the cooling system, and then into the standard size cans as sold in stores. From the time the milk passes into the vacuum pan until it is sealed in the can every possible precaution is used to prevent contamination and oxidation.

To further insure the quality of this health food, sample cans of Eagle Brand Milk are taken from each batch and incubated for one week, or longer, at our home office laboratory, to determine whether there has been any bacterial growth since the first test made at the plant immediately after condensing. This final test is a check on all previous tests. Milk-born epidemics have never been traced in any way to Borden's Eagle Brand Condensed Milk. It is an absolutely safe milk supply. Clean milk kept clean--is the Borden Ideal.

[Skirmisher]

TOK,
While I understand that your motivation is heartfelt, your methods are having the opposite effect than intended.

I am assuming you are trying to bring people about to your point of view as if you are not, then you would simply be here to insult people and thats a rather lowbrow waste of everyones time.

This seems to be something you feel strongly about and the fact that others cannot see what seems so clear to you may be frustrating, but when your message gets lost in what seems an overly haughty, and at times condescending delivery it will have the opposite effect.

Tell you how I see it.

I like milk and I'm not going to stop drinking it but I also am not in favor of animals being hurt needlessly. Perhaps you should be working at helping a more animal friendly dairy become more succesful if this is so important to you. Offer people an option instead of just railing at them.

At the least change the tone of your posts if you are really wanting to get people to listen to you, because all you are accomplishing here is turning people off.

[Edited on 4-15-2004 by Skirmisher]

[DianaBanana]

Originally posted by longshot
I guess I'm the only one that's lactose intolerant here.


I'm lactose intolerant. I just use lactaid milk in my cereal and I'm ok. For drinking though, I prefer water or orange juice anyday over milk.

[AnticorRifling]

Milk is awesome I drink about 2 gallons a week by myself since the wife will only have milk on cereal or in cooking. I drink more water than anything though but that's because Indiana doesn't have SWEET TEA! Having family that was raised in the South and then being stationed in NC kind of made me dependent on the stuff.

I still don't understand the arguement that milk isn't for humans though. Sure the moron in the movie "Snatch" said the same thing but other than that I've heard no real beef about it. As for thinking about where the milk comes from..... Grow up on a farm with 2500 head of pig, 500 head of cattle (beef and dairy) misc other animals like chickens, etc. then talk to me.

[Warriorbird]

The big irony here is the thought that soy bean farming is somehow more eco-worthy.

[AnticorRifling]

I hated growing beans but you have to keep them in rotation for the nutrients they pull vs feed and sweet corn. Sweet corn season can't get here fast enough, grilled corn and boiled corn rule!

[Tsa`ah]

Originally posted by ThisOtherKingdom
Of course it's a personal choice. Unfortunately, it's a choice to be ignorant. Drink milk all you want if you like the taste, but it's NOT good for you. And it was not meant for humans. Admit that, and I'll be fine. Nor is it good for the environment or the cows. Ever try having a little compassion? I guess not, they're just stupid cows. But I bet you wouldn't treat your household pet that way. It's sickening.

Ok, now you're talking out of your ass and showing your ignorance at the same time.

Give me one study that shows milk is not nutritious and I'll give you 10 that scientifically shows it is.

I'll accept your argument about inhumane corporate farms. Dairy farms, egg farms, livestock... you name it. The larger they are the more inhumane they are. Whoopity fuckity doo.

Let's talk about the soybean munchers and hypocrisy. They want to raise this banner about how cruel it is to eat meat, how cruel it is to wear leather, how badly dairy cows are treated, how crowded chickens are at an egg farm, what they will not address is the season destruction of habitat.

That's right, every year us farm folk roll out the combines to harvest the corn, the beans, the granola, the oat and wheat, we kill BILLIONS of animals that have made our fields their habitat. Many a species of birds, field mice, fox, deer, squirrel, snakes, raccoons, chipmunks, rabbits.... the list is long.

That number easily EASILY doubles after harvest. Those that aren't killed during the harvest die off because of exposure, starvation, or by very fat natural predators.

Hey, let's not get in to how many trillions of insects are killed.

Let's also think of the erosion, the water contamination, the pesticides, herbicides and topsoil lost on the billions of acres of farmland. Talk about a potential eco-disaster.

So do me a favor, belly up to the bar and order a nice tall soy shake with barley sprinkles, have a nice fat cake of tofu with a side of sprouts and think about all the millions of animals that died in order for you to have a clean conscience you fucking mouse murderer.

Me, I’ll stick to my 7 gallons of moo juice a week, my thick steaks, my whole chicken, duck breast and lamb. In nice riding weather I’ll put on the leather jacket and gloves. On evenings with the wife I go with the leather trench and a nice prime rib dinner. I’ll do it all with a smile to, cause I’m not offended by the cycle of life.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I am udderly amazed that this hasn't been moooooved to a new topic. Maybe someone could steer us in a appropriate direction? We should milk the topic for all its worth and maybe no one gives a bean about soy?

HAHAHAHA. Seriously, I love me some milk.

[Tsa`ah]

Milk is still the bomb digitey.

Put that udder on ice and get me a chair.

[Skirmisher]

Awww now.....lets not go there.

[Tsa`ah]

Oh ... we've already gone there .... we are so there.

[DeV]

Tsa'ah's signature is reason enough to enjoy that, which is milk.

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by Tsa`ah
mouse murdererWell that's a new one.

edit: Who else remembers the Simpsons ep where they were milking mice?

[Edited on 4-15-2004 by Latrinsorm]

[Hanksbane]

Why are people quoting Tommy from Snatch? He was the one who started most of the problems he and Turkish had in the first place. Isn't it kinda like listening to an idiot's advice?

BTW, even though Tommy is an idiot I love Tommy! "Dags?" "Oh dogs, yeah I like Dags."

And milk is good. So is a nice juicy Hamburger.

[HarmNone]

Ish. This board is amazing! We can even develop a nice little conflict over milk! :D

HarmNone loves milk

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

HarmNone is grazing for conflict. I hope there isn't a stampede of folks rushing to post.

[HarmNone]

:groan: SHM, I cannot believe you! That is soo corny! :lol:

HarmNone had to laugh

*Edited because my brain is in backward this morning*

[Edited on 4-15-2004 by HarmNone]

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Were I a cow, you might say I put my hoof in mouth, eh? That maybe I was milking a bad joke for all it was worth? Perhaps in the long line of bad jokes, I was sucking hind teet.

Don't encourage me ;)

[Edaarin]

You suck at life. I'm going to class. By the time I get back, if I see one more bad pun I'm going to steal a car, drive back to northern Virginia, and smack the white out of you.

[Skirmisher]

Make the bad man stop.

[HarmNone]

Hee! I think Skirmisher is offering to pay for your gasoline, Edaarin! :D

HarmNone, punned to death

[Xcalibur]

The 2-3 glasses of milk I drink everyday saved my life, probably, 104 times.

Once I felt of a tree which was as high as a 3 stories building. Just a few bruises.

Strong bones rock, being in shape rocks, HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORAH for the milk!

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Wow, instead of milk, some folks be drink'n the hateraide!

[Betheny]

Originally posted by HarmNone
:groan: SHM, I cannot believe you! That is soo corny! :lol:

HarmNone had to laugh

*Edited because my brain is in backward this morning*

[Edited on 4-15-2004 by HarmNone]

Don't encourage him, he's got LOTS more where that came from.

Ask him about graveyards.

Ooooh yes. :lol:

[Skirmisher]

So ummm.......what about graveyards?:wasntme:

[AnticorRifling]

Originally posted by Skirmisher
So ummm.......what about graveyards?:wasntme:

It's a dead subject.

[peam]

Originally posted by Latrinsorm
edit: Who else remembers the Simpsons ep where they were milking mice?


Rats, man.

You promised me at least dog!
/Quimby.

[Betheny]

lol, close but no cigar.

The correct answer is:

"See the cemetery? I hear people are dying to get in."

Every time we go past one.

It's funnier each time.

[HarmNone]

Gah! Now there are two of them! Skirmisher, I am coming for you. Make peace with the diety of your choice! :D

HarmNone blames Skirmisher for this

[AnticorRifling]

Originally posted by HarmNone
Gah! Now there are two of them! Skirmisher, I am coming for you. Make peace with the diety of your choice! :D

HarmNone blames Skirmisher for this

You could say we're plotting against you.

[Betheny]

on topic:

Cheese is the best thing ever invented.

[Skirmisher]

Well damn, you know how to KILL a converstaion!.


Ha Ha Ha......see...I said kill....cause you said dead sub...ject.....

...Aw forget it.

Sincerely yours,
Weedie

[Trinitis]

I'm not a huge milk freak, but I still drink it. I get on milk kicks sometimes and drink like 6-7 glasses a day.

But I do have a few meals that milk is a MUST.

Waffles and Pancakes, one MUST have da milk.

[Trinitis]

Originally posted by Skirmisher
Well damn, you know how to KILL a converstaion!.


Ha Ha Ha......see...I said kill....cause you said dead sub...ject.....

...Aw forget it.

Sincerely yours,
Weedie

HA! I Knew weedie was one of those crazy ladies with mutliple board names! This prooves it! ;)

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Originally posted by Maimara
lol, close but no cigar.

The correct answer is:

"See the cemetery? I hear people are dying to get in."

Every time we go past one.

It's funnier each time.

You have to pause dramatically after pointing out the cemetary.

And yes, I find it gets funnier each time!

[Betheny]

I wasn't being sarcastic when I said it got funnier, it actually does!

I'm so easily amused.

[HarmNone]

Originally posted by AnticorRifling
You could say we're plotting against you.

Could say, my ass! I HAVE been saying that!:P

HarmNone knows a plot when one hatches before her eyes

[Vesi]

<--- loves real cheese.

My dad used to pull that joke about dying to get in there everytime we passed a cemetary. Also, know how many folks are buried out there? No Dad. All of them. <groans>

Gee... no comments about my heart attack in a bowl. Guess we do have some die hard dairy folks here.

Vesi likes da cream hates da milk...

[ThisOtherKingdom]

Tsa`ah, we're discussing milk, not meat. I know you're fond of informing people that they've missed the point, but you've done so as well. My point: cow's milk is not meant for human consumption. It is not healthy for you, and you can feel free to post anything that says otherwise as long as it is from a credible source. You know what it's all about? Calcium. Milk is not the best source of this. That is the only reason why anyone thinks milk is "healthy" for you.

As for your copy and paste argument from Maddox about the death of animals due to crop harvesting, it is a completely false analogy. Yes, I realize what occurs during it. It is a product of technology that cannot be avoided. It is the same as driving a car and accidentally running over an animal. I did not intend to do it. Cows, poultry, etc., on the other hand are intentially bred to be lead to slaughter. Vicious slaughter. I do not personally have anything against eating meat. Same as milk, if you like it, that's fine. But to claim that it is good for you or the environment is irresponsible.

As Skirmisher pointed out, I do come across as very militant on the subject. I wish I didn't, it just annoys me when people claim things that aren't true. I'm 22 years old, and I just recently started reading about the truth. I ate meat, drank milk, and thought it was all good for me. That is why I don't feel it is wrong to do so. What I think is wrong is the fact that people think it is necessary for good health.

On a side note, booze and posting does not mix.

[peam]

Dude, this thread was pretty much over when he called you a 'fucking mouse murderer.'

Cold-hearted bastard.

[ThisOtherKingdom]

Peam, I don't like the Pixies. Hate me now.

[peam]

I can't hate people who don't like The Pixies.

That's like hating the mentally handicapped.

[ThisOtherKingdom]

I love getting off topic. But why don't you U2U me some good songs of theirs. A friend of mine let me borrow one of their Best Ofs, and I wasn't digging it. I feel as if I can never be cool until I like The Pixies.

The Melvins will always be better.

[Tsa`ah]

Copy and paste? False analogy?

You have to do better than that. My post was 100% good for you Tsa`ah brand. I don't need to reference outside sources for my stances.

You however have yet to direct me to a study that proves milk is not a nutritious beverage.

[HarmNone]

Originally posted by peam
Dude, this thread was pretty much over when he called you a 'fucking mouse murderer.'

Cold-hearted bastard.

Okay. I have to admit it. The "mouse murderer" bit had me howling! :lol:

HarmNone still gets a giggle out of it

[ThisOtherKingdom]

This is a very informative article, and in my opinion unbiased. It is a long read, but if you are seriously interested in debating the subject, I think it should be read in its entirity. It can be found here. (http://www.vegansociety.com/content/articles/stimesmag_jul2002.html)

[Edited on 4-16-2004 by ThisOtherKingdom]

[Tsa`ah]

That it comes from the vegan society gives it bias. Sorry, try again.

I'll read it, but don't expect me to buy a thing they are trying to assert.

Scanning the article I see the author (with no credentials) making all kinds of statements but not backing anything up with medical or scientific fact.

To lend credence to his statements he brings in Professor John Webster from the Bristol's vet school who gives us a few lines on cruelty.

But wait ,,, where are the scientific guns. Where are the dietary studies that show milk is not at all good for me?

We have a few professionals stepping forward and saying "milk may or may not be linked to breast cancer"; "There is no scientific evidence to support the claim that drinking milk and eating dairy products, per se, which provide some saturated fat, increases the risk of heart disease."

I'm still reading, but most of what I am seeing is the author's understanding, or lack there of, shining through.

[ThisOtherKingdom]

Tsa`ah, it is hosted by Vegan Society. Read the bottom, "© Copyright 2002 Times Newspapers Ltd.
Reproduced with permission
". It is not an article written by them. I haven't even visited the Vegan Society website myself.

I think your opinion on this subject might be a little biased itself, considering you've spent your entire life drinking milk. You have children, would you take your wife's breast milk and feed it to your cat? It is the same concept.

[Tsa`ah]

No for two reasons.

My wife isn't lactating and I don't like cats.

[Meos]

ever tried to drink a whole gallon of milk as fast as you can?

[Vesi]

Originally posted by Meos
ever tried to drink a whole gallon of milk as fast as you can?

Eww... no. Is that a new reality show?

Vesi

Disclaimer: I don't like drinking milk... cow or soy. Throw some chocolate in there... I am happy.

[Mint]

I can't resist...

The New Cow politics:

DEMOCRAT
You have two cows.
Your neighbor has none.
You feel guilty for being successful.
Barbara Streisand sings for you.

REPUBLICAN
You have two cows.
Your neighbor has none.
So?

BUREAUCRACY, AMERICAN STYLE
You have two cows.
Under the new farm program the government pays you to shoot one, milk
the other, and then pours the milk down the drain.

AMERICAN CORPORATION
You have two cows.
You sell one, lease it back to yourself and do an IPO on the 2nd one.
You force the two cows to produce the milk of four cows. You are surprised when one cow drops dead.
You spin an announcement to the analysts stating you have downsized and are reducing expenses.
Your stock goes up.

FRENCH CORPORATION
You have two cows.
You go on strike because you want three cows.
You go to lunch and drink wine.
Life is good.

JAPANESE CORPORATION
You have two cows.
You redesign them so they are one-tenth the size of an ordinary cow and produce twenty times the milk.
They learn to travel on unbelievably crowded trains.
Most are at the top of their class at cow school.

ITALIAN CORPORATION
You have two cows but you don't know where they are.
While ambling around, you see a beautiful woman.
You break for lunch.
Life is good.

RUSSIAN CORPORATION
You have two cows.
You have some vodka.
You count them and learn you have five cows.
You have some more vodka.
You count them again and learn you have 42 cows.
The Mafia shows up and takes over however many cows you really have.

TALIBAN CORPORATION
You have all the cows in Afghanistan, which are two.
You don't milk them because you cannot touch any creature's private parts.
Then you kill them and claim a US bomb blew them up while they were in the hospital.

IRAQIAN CORPORATION
You have two cows.
They go into hiding.
They send radio tapes of their mooing.

POLISH CORPORATION
You have two bulls.
Employees are regularly maimed and killed attempting to milk them.

FLORIDA CORPORATION
You have a black cow and a brown cow.
Everyone votes for the best looking one.
Some of the people who like the brown one best, vote for the black one.
Some people vote for both. Some people vote for neither.
Some people can't figure out how to vote at all.
Finally, a bunch of guys from out-of-state tell you which is the best-looking cow.

[Skirmisher]

Iraqi Corp was funny.:smilegrin:

[Mint]

My personal favorite is the Russian Corp.

[ThisOtherKingdom]

Mint, I know we were almost getting along. But that was boring.

[Mint]

Originally posted by ThisOtherKingdom
Mint, I know we were almost getting along. But that was boring.

Sleep is your friend :grin:

I know you've been showing great restraint with the insults lately but something had to give. Don't you feel better now relieving some of that pressure that must have built up?




[Edited on 4-16-2004 by Mint]

[ThisOtherKingdom]

Psh, YOU go to sleep!

[Nakiro]

WTF That was great!

Go drink a gallon of milk, and then you'll feel better about everything.

[DeV]

Quit hating on milk.

[Tsa`ah]

Ok, I've read the article, now it's time to get dirty.

First on the plate is the argument of IFG-1, or Somatomedin C.

The argument is that IFG-1, present in both humans and bovines, promotes prostate cancer and fuels cancerous growths. Yet every study I have read in the last day indicates that IFG-1 isn't directly the cause of such affliction, but an imbalance is. By imbalance I mean low levels. Typically those that have digestive problems with dairy products will be unable to process IFG-1 and likely to be at risk for cancer to begin with. The statement in the article was made without presenting all of the facts.

Milk allergies, per a Finnish study. This is the gist of it. The Finns took 56 newborns and put them on a dairy regiment. Two thirds of those kids developed a milk allergy. Runny noses, skin rashes, ear infections, coughing, lack of breath. Ironically this sounds like an eczma/athsma combo and is not uncommon to begin with, but that's beside the point. These 18.6 kids retained this allergy until the age of 10. The study did not that removing the dairy from the diet caused the symptoms to cease. Here's where scientific method is supposed to kick in.

I'll make a statement; let's see if you agree.

3 out of 10 people who drink water will be in an automotive accident. Thus, by drinking water you increase your chance of an accident or death.

Sane people will not agree with that statement even though every person that has been in an automobile accident has consumed water in some fashion.

I'll take this further.

Last year it was reported by a medical journal that in a study of 1000 women (I'm not sure of the exact numbers), 500 of which had taken no less than 20 antibiotic cycles over the course of 10 years, and 500 who had not taken more than 5 over the same time frame. The study showed that the 500 women who took antibiotics with regularity had a higher instance of breast cancer. 12 times more than the 500 women who rarely took antibiotics.

Now, unless you sit down and think about, you're going to come up with the conclusion that antibiotics increase a woman's chance of breast cancer.

A study cited in a journal is just a means of saying "this is what we did, this is what we found. Is anyone interested in looking any further? TTM".

Now if this had been a full blown in depth study we could probably assume that the 500 women who rarely took antibiotics led a healthier life style, perhaps did not have a family history of breast cancer, had better diets, exercised more, drank milk. Who knows, but scientifically you can't say, "Antibiotics increase your chances of developing cancer."

Just like I can't say drinking water will increase your chances of an automobile accident.

What this study did not show is the family history of each child. They did not show that each environment was equal. They did not each diet was similar. There is a huge chunk of relevant information missing. That is what a study is for. "We found that in these 18.6 children, removing milk improved their condition." "Who want to look further? TTM".

Don't get me started on Cohen. That man has no clue when it comes to scientific method. I'm not even sure if the guy is a qualified geneticist or nutritionist.

I'm still up in the air about protein causing calcium loss; I'll have to look for some studies.

Another question I'm debating is the increase or decrease of IFG-1 with pasteurization.

The milk fat stint was complete BS. Milk fat is a short chain fat and is easily processed in the digestive system. The author and the vegan society are implying the dairy fat is artery clogging. This is simply not true. They are playing off of the word "fat" alone and have no supporting evidence that milk fat is indeed "bad" for you.

High levels of any fat are not exactly healthy, but they're not condemning fat from nuts or avocados.

The article was a good read and there is some good info in there about alternative calcium sources. The article as a whole is a bit jaded and lacking any insight to these "studies".

Just for future reference, and I'm repeating this, studies are just that ... studies. A study can show evidence that "suggests" one thing, but without all of the relevant information available, the suggestion becomes slanted.

This works for both sides of the fence.

[Skirmisher]

Originally posted by Tsa`ah

...

3 out of 10 people who drink water will be in an automotive accident. Thus, by drinking water you increase your chance of an accident or death.

Sane people will not agree with that statement even though every person that has been in an automobile accident has consumed water in some fashion.

...

... drinking water will increase your chances of an automobile accident.

...


Water hater.:cry:

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by Tsa`ah
"this is what we did, this is what we found. Is anyone interested in looking any further? TTM".I think the Finnish have me squelched. They never respond to my thoughts. :(

[Meos]

Originally posted by Vesi

Originally posted by Meos
ever tried to drink a whole gallon of milk as fast as you can?

Eww... no. Is that a new reality show?

Vesi

No, back in my high school footballs days we would have a pasta party before each game with the whole team. We'd pick to people to "milk it" it was a contest who could drink a whole gallon of milk without puking. In 4 years, I never saw anyone do it. but damnit this one kid tried so many times and probebly got closer then any man to doing it. He had almost the whole gallon down and he started to puke while he was drinking the last few sips.... talk about determination.

[peam]

It's called "The Gallon Challenge."

One gallon of milk.
One hour to drink it.

[Meos]

lol, we were doing it in like less then 5 minutes.

[peam]

http://gallonchallenge.tripod.com/gc/

You have to keep it down an hour too.

WARNING: Site contains people puking. :D

That site is awesome <333 jerry mahon

[Trinitis]

hmm..makes me wonder, that site.

[Skirmisher]

This site honors one challenger that has taken the experience to a whole new level. This man goes out of his way to make it an enjoyable experience for the spectators. This man is Jerry Mahon. Jerry has taken the challenge 10 times. He can puke up his milk from basically any position, (although I have no pictures, I have seen him do it while in a head stand),and he is never afraid to take the challenge. All you have to do is ask him. For these reasons, Jerry is the ultimate challenger, a man to be regarded on a higher level than any other challenger. The ultimate is a man that everyone should aspire to be like.



This is Jerry, get to know this face, because you will see a lot of him here. He has taken the challenge 10 times to date, and that number is ever growing. On this particular occasion he threw up 27 times, a number that is foreign to the normal challenger. Jerry made that possible by drinking 3 gallons in one night. One of those gallons just happened to have expired 12 days prior to consumption.



Look out, here comes Jerry full throttle. Notice yet another position, his form is perfect. Somebody showed up with their A game.


Here it is folks. Lake Mahon. This is the final product of his 27 yacks. Notice the volume of the puddle and the 3 gallons in the background. All of this and Jerry Mahon is still smiling. Yet another sign of an ultimate challenger.

Ladies start your engines, this one's a keeper.

:clap: