1012 Flares

[teslo]

What type are the flares from sonic weapons? The gs4 site says sonic, so is that the same as impact ala http://www.krakiipedia.org/wiki/Impact_critical_table

Does anyone have an approximate schedule on flare occurence percentages based on air lore training? I remember reading somewhere that someone had like a 66% flare chance but I think he was capped with tons of training.

Does initial damage effect the severity of the flare? If not, wouldn't it make sense to swing very small, fast weapons?

I ask this because if sonic flares are as powerful as people say, then i would guess that if you could swing in 3 secs with a brawling weapon vs 6 seconds with a lance, the brawling weapon would be superior because of the flare damage.

If this is the case, my hope is to make an ambushing build based around sonic weapons (I'm thinking fist-scythe or katar) . 1xing ambush and cman seems more than sufficent to get a decent aiming percentage by lvl 30. And sonic head shots kill at rank 5 or higher, which is pretty nice.

[teslo]

I found this which answered most of my questions
http://www.krakiipedia.org/wiki/Sonic_Weapon_Song_(1012)

My remaining question is what determines the severity rank of the flare? Is it random?

[droit]

I dunno about the severity, but you're much better off going for a small weapon TWC mstrike build than an ambushing one.

[teslo]

If I go with brawl instead of katar then I'll have room in my build for some moc action. TWC seems silly though. (Unless one could dual wield sonics)


Once I fixskill over, I'll experiment with both and tell you which one is more deadly. Really it depends on how the severity of the crits is selected.

The impact table for head says that 5 or higher (out of 10) is a fatality. If the crits are randomly selected, that gives me about a 25% chance of insta-killing anything I hit. Because I have approximately a 50% chance of hitting the head, and a 50% chance of the crit being fatal.

Even if the odds aren't that good, it's still pretty awesome.

[Drunken Durfin]

If I go with brawl instead of katar then I'll have room in my build for some moc action. TWC seems silly though. (Unless one could dual wield sonics).

You can only sing one weapon at a time.

[droit]

You misunderstand how flares work. They do not hit the same area you hit with your weapon. They hit random body locations and do random crits. You should rely on them only for damage and take the (very) occasional death crit as a bonus, not a likelihood.

If you TWC with a sonic weapon plus a normal flaring weapon, your mstrikes will do a lot of damage in a very short period of time.

[Drunken Durfin]

I've seen them as high as 50 points of damage. I don't have any logs, but this just flew past my screen:

You thrust with a sonic pike at a shan cleric!
AS: +351 vs DS: +201 with AvD: +35 + d100 roll: +44 = +229
... and hit for 93 points of damage!
Damaging strike to chest, several ribs shattered!

** As you hit, your sonic pike unleashes a blast of sonic energy! **
... 35 points of damage!
Massive blow to left hand crushing it to pulp!
The cleric's silver roundshield falls to the ground.
The shan cleric howls out one last time and dies.

[teslo]

Thanks for the info guys.
Given this, I think I'll see what I can do about going brawl + mstrike. My goal is to have fun with flares and melee until 70 ish then probably fixskill into pure. If I can 1.5x in air lore I will have a pretty high chance of single and double flares, and i should be able to swing a troll-claw/blackjack in 1 second starting at level 50 :)

I went TWC with my rogue and frankly wasn't that impressed, plus with a 1 second swing I don't want to have to stance dance (just SPAM!), so I'll take the tower shield DS with the small shield encumberance from 1009.

So if I'm not going to be aiming, should I still 1x CMans?

[droit]

So if I'm not going to be aiming, should I still 1x CMans?

Absolutely. CM also gives +1 melee AS per 2 ranks.

[Ugotfaced]

also, unless you're hiding don't train in ambushing. perception factors into ambushing from the open.

[droit]

also, unless you're hiding don't train in ambushing. perception factors into ambushing from the open.

False. Aiming from the open uses only CM and ambush. Still, you shouldn't train ambush unless you hide. You shouldn't aim from the open with crawling weapons either.

[wizgem3]

TWC bard is awsome is all I can say. Mine swing a morningstar and mace in 2 seconds.

[Drew]

I've seen them as high as 50 points of damage. I don't have any logs, but this just flew past my screen:

You thrust with a sonic pike at a shan cleric!
AS: +351 vs DS: +201 with AvD: +35 + d100 roll: +44 = +229
... and hit for 93 points of damage!
Damaging strike to chest, several ribs shattered!

** As you hit, your sonic pike unleashes a blast of sonic energy! **
... 35 points of damage!
Massive blow to left hand crushing it to pulp!
The cleric's silver roundshield falls to the ground.
The shan cleric howls out one last time and dies.

I just saw one for 70 point yesterday, it was pretty brutal. I guess the only downside to them is that sometimes they can be really dinky, like 1 or 3 hp.

[StrayRogue]

Yep, Ambushing is required for aiming: both in the open and from hiding. Not training in it will result in you missing a good percentage of shots to the annoying "failed to find opening" message. You'll stop seeing that at around 40 ranks.

[awol0509]

I just saw one for 70 point yesterday, it was pretty brutal. I guess the only downside to them is that sometimes they can be really dinky, like 1 or 3 hp.

Thank you, thank you very much :biggrin:

oh yes, and that was shortly followed by a 1 pt. flare... guess it had to be made up somewhere..

[Drunken Durfin]

Not sure what the odds of this happening are, something like .00001% I am guessing. One critter, two swings, three flares for a total of 105 damage. I have a whopping 7 ranks of air lore by the way.

A shan wizard is enraged by your attack!
You thrust with a sonic pike at a shan wizard!
AS: +366 vs DS: +280 with AvD: +35 + d100 roll: +37 = +158
... and hit for 57 points of damage!
Weapon arm mangled horribly.
The shan wizard is stunned!

** As you hit, your sonic pike unleashes a blast of sonic energy! **
... 10 points of damage!
Light blow to left arm.

** With a loud snap, a blast of energy bursts from your sonic pike! **
... 50 points of damage!
Every bone in the right arm shattered and scattered about!
The wizard's long dagger falls to the ground.
Roundtime: 7 sec.

You thrust with a sonic pike at a shan wizard!
AS: +366 vs DS: +279 with AvD: +35 + d100 roll: +99 = +221
... and hit for 113 points of damage!
Shot shatters shoulder and severs left arm!

** With a loud snap, a blast of energy bursts from your sonic pike! **
... 45 points of damage!
Left leg collapses as the bones turn to dust!
A shan wizard falls to the ground grasping his mangled left leg!
The shan wizard howls out one last time and dies.
The shan wizard no longer bristles with energy.
A shan wizard glances around, looking a bit less confident.
The brilliant luminescence fades from around a shan wizard.
The bright luminescence fades from around a shan wizard.
The silvery luminescence fades from around a shan wizard.
Roundtime: 7 sec.

[Danical]

Flares fucking blow when used vs creatures with lots of crit padding.

Without going into too much detail, you wont' be seeing crit ranks over 5 often, if ever, vs grimswarm as they have metric shittons of padding.

[teslo]

Right now my bard is in Voln, so I don't see any flares at all ;)

[Fallen]

Flares fucking blow when used vs creatures with lots of crit padding.

Without going into too much detail, you wont' be seeing crit ranks over 5 often, if ever, vs grimswarm as they have metric shittons of padding.

Might be a "Duh" question, but is crit padding taken into account on the player side of things in terms of getting hit by flares? Lightning flares, atleast, always seemed to blow right through my armor.

[Drew]

Might be a "Duh" question, but is crit padding taken into account on the player side of things in terms of getting hit by flares? Lightning flares, atleast, always seemed to blow right through my armor.

I have no idea of the answer but maybe physical flares like impact (as the bard ones are), slash, etc. take crit padding but elemental ones don't. Just a thought, no evidence.

[Androidpk]

Flares fucking blow when used vs creatures with lots of crit padding.

Without going into too much detail, you wont' be seeing crit ranks over 5 often, if ever, vs grimswarm as they have metric shittons of padding.

Fire flares always rock on troll grimswarm.

[Danical]

Fire flares always rock on troll grimswarm.

Last time I checked, 1012 doesn't give fire flares.