what would be better

[f3hdp]

Would it be better to pick up a 3rd train in dodge when possible or a 2nd train in cm to put towards training in evade mastery or cunning defense?

[Endlin]

Kind of hard to say...

Do you swing or use ranged? If you swing, more CM also = more AS, and more defense against maneuvers. But not enough to make it easy to choose.

If you use a shield though I'd say more CM, hands down.

I 2x'ed CM for a long time, mostly because I liked playing around with all the points though. 3x'ing dodge probably offers the most clear mechanical advantage.

[IorakeWarhammer]

ranged if you have the technical expertise and patience to deal with it. its more effective and you can be more stealthy with it.

i didnt go ranged on my ranger simply because i'm too lazy to deal with fletching and messing with arrows, etc.

but yes ranged is definitely worth it.

if you're a rogue you should 3x dodge if you're swinging a blade, but on ranged i'm not so sure.

2x CM definitely a must for a rogue

[Gibreficul]

Would it be better to pick up a 3rd train in dodge when possible or a 2nd train in cm to put towards training in evade mastery or cunning defense?

Should I buy a mini-van or a 2-door coupe? END POST.


That's basically what your post says. It's giving two valid options, without any background as to why one option would be better than the other. I can't help without having a little bit of information about the situation you're trying to improve. (FYI, I chose the 2 door coupe)

[f3hdp]

2x ohe 2x dodge 1x cm, 1x moc, I have no intention on hiding and ambushing and I do not use a shield I am an erithian rogue with stat placed for cap so right now my dex and agil are on the low end. I also enjoy poetry and long walks on the beach

[Gibreficul]

2x ohe 2x dodge 1x cm, 1x moc, I have no intention on hiding and ambushing and I do not use a shield I am an erithian rogue with stat placed for cap so right now my dex and agil are on the low end. I also enjoy poetry and long walks on the beach

If you use a shield, the 2x CM will be a greater benefit. If you're going without the shield, I'd suggest the dodge for the extra defense. Why the hell are you 1x MOC as a rogue? I'm not trying to tell you how to live your life, but 10/3 TPs per rank is steep. Hope it's all working out for ya.

[Gibreficul]

Oh, and ambush ranks are cheap on a rogue. Small weapons (to be interpreted as one handed weapons) are meant to be aimed in order to deal killing crits. Plinking away with one handed weapons is going to be a very difficult thing on the long haul if you can't aim your shots (even from the open) when you need to. Just my opinion.

[f3hdp]

I just wanted to try something different since I won't be hiding, figured it would give me an option against multi oponents. Plus standing out in the open I will get that little help help with ds as well when out numbered. I will keep the ambush part in mind. There is always fixskills if it doesn't work out so far so good though

[Endlin]

2x ohe 2x dodge 1x cm, 1x moc, I have no intention on hiding and ambushing and I do not use a shield I am an erithian rogue with stat placed for cap so right now my dex and agil are on the low end. I also enjoy poetry and long walks on the beach

I try not to discourage people from trying out of the norm. builds. But this just makes no sense as a rogue. 2x OHE, no shield? No TWC? Not hiding and ambushing as a melee rogue just doesn't make sense. I can see the argument for open ranged but... No way if you swing.

Sure you'll be fine for a while but if you plan on playing this character to even mid levels... You'll just be watching your ambushing or ranged rogue friends be leaps and bounds more effective than you are.

[Gibreficul]

I try not to discourage people from trying out of the norm. builds. But this just makes no sense as a rogue. 2x OHE, no shield? No TWC? Not hiding and ambushing as a melee rogue just doesn't make sense. I can see the argument for open ranged but... No way if you swing.

Sure you'll be fine for a while but if you plan on playing this character to even mid levels... You'll just be watching your ambushing or ranged rogue friends be leaps and bounds more effective than you are.

The big thing to consider is that he's apparently not getting picking/disarming skill, and that'll free up a ton of TPs for doing something that's typically against the grain. Keep us posted on your progression, I don't have the patience to deal with a rogue build like you're doing, I'd sooner roll a warrior, but to each his own.

There is no wrong way to train a rogue. Unless you try to use a runestaff, and even that's feasible!

[Methais]

2x ohe 2x dodge 1x cm, 1x moc, I have no intention on hiding and ambushing and I do not use a shield I am an erithian rogue with stat placed for cap so right now my dex and agil are on the low end. I also enjoy poetry and long walks on the beach

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[IorakeWarhammer]

dude you need to make a warrior if you're using MOC. this is like rolling up a bard and doing a stalking/ambushing build with no spellsongs. MOC is insanely expensive. I was dumb enough to get 30 ranks on Deron and with 2x CM i don't have TPs for anything. he's an ambushing rogue. i wanted it pretty much for the same reason, but its just turned out to be way costly.

[Gibreficul]

dude you need to make a warrior if you're using MOC. this is like rolling up a bard and doing a stalking/ambushing build with no spellsongs. MOC is insanely expensive. I was dumb enough to get 30 ranks on Deron and with 2x CM i don't have TPs for anything. he's an ambushing rogue. i wanted it pretty much for the same reason, but its just turned out to be way costly.

I've seen a few hide/ambush bards that did a great job of it. I can't say they didn't have any bard spell ranks.

[Sam]

I have to agree with Ahmad here... I'm all for unique builds, but why even choose rogue as a base profession if you're not taking advantage of any of the cheap rogue skills? Just choose warrior, hide your profession, and tell people you're a rogue that fights from the open.

[m444w]

ewave rogue from the open is more than effective. But I'd definitely be 3x dodge if you are in the open.

[f3hdp]

I guess I should have posted this at the beginning so here is it now.

I'm a erithian rogue stats set to cap (I know I most likely won't play till then but I did it for that one chance I might)

1x arm (till 60 so i can get my ranks in evasion)
2x ohe
1x moc
1x phys
2x dodge
2x dis
2x pick
2x perception
1x first
1x trade ( yes i have read this is worthless)
1x survival.
1x arcane (till 25)
1x magic item (till 25)

I want to as self sufficent as possible. Money is nice so I did 1x first and surv in order to skin and forage so I don't have to pay the ungodly amounts people ask for when trying to buy them. Plus i saw it as a way to make money so i also trained in trading to get that little extra cash.

I envision myself being like a fencer. using no shield and an Epee, Foil or Sabre (yes i know they suck) I do not plan to hide or ambush (might train in ambrush for open aiming now that i know). I chose MOC to help make up a little for attacking if i face two to three critters at once, other than that i would just run. I also figured it would help with fof being in the open and having to face more than one critter at a time.

Maneuvers I planned on using are Feint (fencing move) disarm weapon and hamstring. Figured I could force their stance, disarm them and then hamstring.

Right now my ds is lower than what i like (yes i know a shield would help) that is why i was asking about the extra dodge or if the cm evasion or cunning defense would help in that aspect.

Ultimatly I was looking to try something different basing my character after a fencer, 3 musketeer, zorro, wesley from the Princess Bride type.

Looking forward to hear what you all have to say. Thanks :puzzled:

[Gibreficul]

You're torturing yourself intentionally. That's gotta be it.

[thefarmer]

Plan on running. A lot.

[Endlin]

Despite the advice you've already gotten you sound pretty insistent on what you wanna do. So go ahead and try it.

Just hold on to your fixskills.

[Gibreficul]

If you're looking for some extra MTPs, you could probably drop to 1x perception without effecting much. Unless you're trying to pick boxes from areas you have no business hunting, you shouldn't even miss any traps.

[Methais]

1x arm (till 60 so i can get my ranks in evasion)
2x ohe
1x moc
1x phys
2x dodge
2x dis
2x pick
2x perception
1x first
1x trade ( yes i have read this is worthless)
1x survival.
1x arcane (till 25)
1x magic item (till 25)

I want to be as mediocre as possible.

Fixed.

[petroglyph]

Why not at least go with TWC? You still get the fencer appearance, but you'll get slightly better parry DS. And if you're really planning on hunting from the open, without even aiming, with light weapons, every plinking hit is going to be important.