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Parkbandit
07-26-2010, 06:50 PM
Apple Inc.'s control over its iPhone and other devices via its iTunes store was undercut Monday by a federal ruling legalizing jailbreaking, or altering the devices to install unapproved software, a practice used now by a small number of customers.

The Library of Congress, which helps oversee copyright law, removed a legal cloud over altering of iPhones, iPads and iPods, to install and run software not purchased from Apple.

Jennifer Granick, civil liberties director at Electronic Freedom Foundation, the digital-rights organization that pushed for the change, said the ruling could open the door for third-party app stores. "Innovators now know that there will be customers for them," she says.

It's unclear how many companies will take advantage of the ruling, which affects a law called the Digital Millennium Copyright Act. By one estimate just 8% of iPhones have been altered to allow such downloads.

"I don't think it's that big a deal," said Charles Golvin, an analyst at Forrester Research Inc. "The mainstream iPhone customer isn't complaining about apps they can't get because of Apple's restrictive policies."

Apple has reviewed and maintained veto power over apps for the iPhone since it opened the device to outside developers in 2008. These apps can only be downloaded from Apple's App Store. Monday's ruling applies to other smartphone makers but only Apple now restricts what apps can run on its devices.

Computer experts have found ways to get around the code that tethers iPhones to the App Store, however, allowing device owners to download and run programs that haven't been approved by Apple. The legality of the practice was not clear, so it hasn't caught on widely.

Mario Ciabarra, president of Rock Your Phone Inc., which sells apps for jailbroken iPhones, says close to $2 million worth of about apps for about four million iPhones have been downloaded from his store. He said the company felt that what it was doing was legal, but was not eager to argue that point in court. What this ruling does "is make it very clear that it is okay," he said.

Apple, which says it has sold about 50 million iPhones worldwide, has discouraged jailbreaking. A spokeswoman did not address the ruling directly, but explained the company's policy.

"Apple's goal has always been to insure that our customers have a great experience with their iPhone," she said, adding that "jailbreaking can severely degrade the experience" of the iPhone and that it "can violate the warranty and can cause the iPhone to become unstable and not work reliably," she said.

In 2008 the EFF, asked the Library of Congress to authorize jailbreaking, arguing that the rights of Apple and other smartphone makers wouldn't be infringed because any changes to the devices are for the personal use of the phone owner. Apple disagreed, arguing that jailbreaking its iPhone would open up consumers and Apple to harm and that the practice was a violation of the law.

The U.S. Copyright Office, a unit of the Library of Congress, on Monday said that Apple's objections appeared to be rooted partly in the potential "harm to its reputation" which isn't protected by copyright law.

It said that phone owners have the right to run whatever legal programs they want on their devices and that "modifications that are made purely for the purpose of such interoperability are fair uses."

The action was in the form of a final rule, which would require a legal challenge to overturn.

The Library of Congress also ruled that it was legal to modify software on a used phone so that it can run on a different carrier's network, although other technical barriers make it difficult to use an iPhone with networks other than that of AT&T Inc., the sole carrier authorized by Apple in the United States.

The government said the use of snippets of DVDs and other videos for use in universities and schools have fair use protections under the law. However, it rejected other applications for fair-use protections, including a request that consumers be allowed to use their own software to access streaming online video from Netflix Inc. or other providers.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704700404575391570601360494.html?m od=googlenews_wsj

Good to know....

Sylvan Dreams
07-26-2010, 06:51 PM
I just read this a minute ago. I wonder what this will bring to the iPhone world.

Bobmuhthol
07-26-2010, 07:18 PM
Oh hey they already have something like this it's called Android OS and it has been making me come multiple times daily for the past week.

Oh yeah and my phone has (free) wifi tethering as well as USB tethering fuck you Apple.

thefarmer
07-26-2010, 07:33 PM
Oh hey they already have something like this it's called Android OS and it has been making me come multiple times daily for the past week.

My dad picked up the newest android (whichever version came out in the past month or so). I wasn't overly impressed.

Deathravin
07-26-2010, 07:37 PM
... I'm confused, why wouldn't you be able to alter a product you purchased in any way you wanted? What was Apples reasoning here?

If I buy a car, what I can't replace the engine or make the dashboard lights blue instead of white? If I buy a house I can't knock out a wall or put in a new sink?

Only Apple would argue that they had imminent domain over a purchased product.

thefarmer
07-26-2010, 07:39 PM
... I'm confused, why wouldn't you be able to alter a product you purchased in any way you wanted? What was Apples reasoning here?

If I buy a car, what I can't replace the engine or make the dashboard lights blue instead of white? If I buy a house I can't knock out a wall or put in a new sink?

Only Apple would argue that they had imminent domain over a purchased product.

I bet you removed the tag from your mattress.. I'm calling the police!

Numbers
07-26-2010, 09:03 PM
... I'm confused, why wouldn't you be able to alter a product you purchased in any way you wanted? What was Apples reasoning here?

If I buy a car, what I can't replace the engine or make the dashboard lights blue instead of white? If I buy a house I can't knock out a wall or put in a new sink?

Only Apple would argue that they had imminent domain over a purchased product.

They say they want to keep it a closed system so that it ensures the phone is always working "properly." Similar to how you can void a Dell warranty if you install a new video card -- it's not the video card the system shipped with, so it's not Dell's problem if something goes wrong.

Load of bull, obviously.

All this really does is make it not "illegal" to jailbreak your phone. Not like you could ever get in trouble for it anyway. But it doesn't mean Apple has to make it easy to jailbreak. An average iPhone user probably doesn't have a clue what jailbreaking even means.

I jailbroke my 3G, and loved it. I didn't pirate app store apps, but I did install a bunch of apps that made it much more convenient to use the phone. One app let me toggle phone settings on and off right from the main screen, without having to tap through the settings menu. Another app also let me tether, but I only ever used that once when I was sitting in an airport.

I haven't gotten around to jailbreaking my iPhone 4 yet, though.

Bobmuhthol
07-26-2010, 09:05 PM
<<My dad picked up the newest android (whichever version came out in the past month or so). I wasn't overly impressed.>>

That's fine but if you are impressed by another phone over an Android device you either are completely retarded or haven't seen how powerful Android is.

Kranar
07-26-2010, 09:08 PM
That's fine but if you are impressed by another phone over an Android device you either are completely retarded or haven't seen how powerful Android is.


It's the power of marketing. No one does it better than Apple, you can't deny that.

Deathravin
07-26-2010, 09:09 PM
It's the power of marketing. No one does it better than Apple, you can't deny that.

/deny

Mighty Nikkisaurus
07-26-2010, 09:46 PM
Bob, what kind of Droid do you have? I'm considering getting the Evo but it'll be my first 'smart phone' purchase (I use an LG NV right now) so I'm hemming and hawing.

thefarmer
07-26-2010, 09:48 PM
That's fine but if you are impressed by another phone over an Android device you either are completely retarded or haven't seen how powerful Android is.

Because clearly it is a proven fact the Android > all.

peam
07-26-2010, 09:48 PM
http://byronsorrells.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/zack-morris-cell-phone.jpg

All you need.

Cephalopod
07-26-2010, 09:53 PM
I don't care.

Bobmuhthol
07-26-2010, 10:02 PM
Because clearly it is a proven fact the Android > all.

I don't really understand the use of italics. I almost understand that you're trying to say that I'm wrong, but how could you possibly? There really is no argument here.


Bob, what kind of Droid do you have? I'm considering getting the Evo but it'll be my first 'smart phone' purchase (I use an LG NV right now) so I'm hemming and hawing.

I have a G1 running CyanogenMod 5.0.8 which is more or less Android 2.1 with badass shit thrown in (including installing apps to the SD card which is only officially released in 2.2). I haven't played with any other Android phones but the amount of support for the G1, and likewise the Nexus One, is incredible.

droit
07-26-2010, 10:18 PM
The HTC Incredible is the best phone I've seen to date. It pretty much outperforms the iPhone 3g (haven't seen a 4 yet) in almost every way. My laptop broke around the time I got my incredible and I have yet to feel the need to fix it thanks to what the phone can do. I'm sure the newest HTC phone is awesome too, but the incredible is a Verizon phone, and thus uses the best network available.

TheLastShamurai
07-26-2010, 10:20 PM
The HTC Incredible is the best phone I've seen to date. It pretty much outperforms the iPhone 3g (haven't seen a 4 yet) in almost every way. My laptop broke around the time I got my incredible and I have yet to feel the need to fix it thanks to what the phone can do. I'm sure the newest HTC phone is awesome too, but the incredible is a Verizon phone, and thus uses the best network available.

But can your Droid do this!?

http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2010/07/droid_controlled_multicuber_777_sol.html

droit
07-26-2010, 10:26 PM
But can your Droid do this!?

http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2010/07/droid_controlled_multicuber_777_sol.html

It better or I'm getting my money back.

iJin
07-26-2010, 11:06 PM
I don't care.


Edit: And does it have the wifis?

Deathravin
07-26-2010, 11:11 PM
I like the one with the more g-b's

iJin
07-26-2010, 11:14 PM
LOL. Deathravin. <3

Celephais
07-26-2010, 11:38 PM
If I buy a car, what I can't replace the engine or make the dashboard lights blue instead of white?
Actually you can indeed get in trouble for modifying a car and then registering it as the same make/model as the original. Yeah, I know... it's dumb, but I know someone who made a custom car (cross thread reference, this is the man known as "country"), and when he registered it as a Chevy (I think he started with a Chevy frame or engine or something) they came and seized the car on him (I don't know any of the other details, under what law etc).

Bob, what kind of Droid do you have? I'm considering getting the Evo but it'll be my first 'smart phone' purchase (I use an LG NV right now) so I'm hemming and hawing.
I had to yell at someone the other day for this ... Droid is a device brand, Android is the OS (I know you know this ... at least you didn't ask what kind of Droids he has ::duck::).

I don't care.
Damn, I can't rep you again.

Mighty Nikkisaurus
07-27-2010, 12:39 AM
I had to yell at someone the other day for this ... Droid is a device brand, Android is the OS
I'm bad about using both interchangeably. My excuse is that only this previous year did I replace my tank of a Nokia that I'd been using as my cell since my sophomore year of high school, therefore I am totally allowed to be smart phone retarded!


(I know you know this ... at least you didn't ask what kind of Droids he has ::duck::).

Yeah, um, well, YOUR FACE(s)