The Matrix Revolutions...

[TheEschaton]

...came out yesterday, and I'm remiss that I haven't gotten it yet.

I'm about to take a shower, and then go get it. Lots of peope like to bag on the 2nd and 3rd movies....but I like 'em. I think I might even like the second one more than the first. More complex philosophies.

Discuss amongst y'selves.

-TheE-

[Makkah]

I copped it last night and saw it for the first time. Was pleasantly surprised.

rht

[Pierat]

The second matrix blew....Ill agree the third was good, but the second one stank! Anyhow, they had a very tough go at it, how the heck do you make a sequal to a movie where the main character can come back from the dead, stop bullets, fly, and jump inside his "unbeatable" enemys and blow them up from the inside out? Not easy to make a good sequal to that!

[TheEschaton]

Are you kidding? I thought the second was better than the third by far.


The Animatrix rox0r too.

-TheE-

[DeV]

I saw the 3rd one in Vegas and suprisingly enjoyed it. The second one sucked major, being as the specials effects were the only thing worth watching it for me.

[CrystalTears]

Bah, I loved them all, including Animatrix. I liked the second one better than the first, and the third as much as the second.

My fiance just brought me the first one this morning so that's going to be the first thing I watch when I get home. Woohoo!

[Blazing247]

I'm probably in the minority, but I hated the sequels. It was the kind of movie where you don't fuck with a good script, just let it be. Yeah, they made a shit load of money on the trilogy, but I hated the second and third. Too "Supermanish" for me, and relied on Special Effects instead of scripts.

[Betheny]

The problem with the trilogy is they packed 70% of the storyline into the first movie. If they had started out making it as a trilogy, I think it would've been a lot better.

[TheEschaton]

I hear they had written it as a trilogy, but they didn't know how successful the first one was gonna be, so they crammed as much as they could, into the first one.


Anyways, I'm on my way to the store, once my hair dries.

-TheE-

[Parkbandit]

I own very few DVDs... but I own all three of these movies.

Great movies... all of them.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Originally posted by TheEschaton

Anyways, I'm on my way to the store, once my hair dries.

-TheE-

Woman.

[TheEschaton]

At least I'm not blowdrying it.


-TheE-

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by TheEschaton
At least I'm not blowdrying it.Even so.

Matrix: meh. I liked the philosophies in the Lethal Weapon series better, although the special effects in the matrix were kinda better. The problem is there's still parts where it's glaringly fake. For instance: when they have the guy in the armor suit thing guarding the dock when they pull in to Zion in the second one, it looks like freaking Robocop-level effects.

[Meos]

The only good Matrix was the first one... they shouldn't have made the other two unless Neo walked around the surface destroying machines with mind powers.

[TheEschaton]

Revolutions is now mine! I will now retreat to the DVD player on my computer to watch it, and not come back for a few hours.


Don't you dare IM me, or you will die..

-TheE-

[Parkbandit]

Originally posted by Latrinsorm

Originally posted by TheEschaton
At least I'm not blowdrying it.Even so.

Matrix: meh. I liked the philosophies in the Lethal Weapon series better, although the special effects in the matrix were kinda better. The problem is there's still parts where it's glaringly fake. For instance: when they have the guy in the armor suit thing guarding the dock when they pull in to Zion in the second one, it looks like freaking Robocop-level effects.

One was the 'real world Zion' and the other one (with the white room ) was part of the 'matrix Zion'.

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by Parkbandit
One was the 'real world Zion' and the other one (with the white room ) was part of the 'matrix Zion'. Unless you mean a matte shot or something, I'm totally lost. :?:

[imported_Kranar]

You know that scene where those women/operators are wearing all white, the background is all white, and it's like a control room to ships to enter Zion?

That was being done inside of the "console," not the real world.

[Trinitis]

Originally posted by CrystalTears
Bah, I loved them all, including Animatrix. I liked the second one better than the first, and the third as much as the second.

My fiance just brought me the first one this morning so that's going to be the first thing I watch when I get home. Woohoo!

Don't Lie. Your all about jonesin' On Neo.

-Adredrin

[Satira]

I hated the second one and therefore I won't see the third one until someone MAKES me.

[TheEschaton]

Hahahahahhaha, I just finished watching it, and it's even better than I remembered it.


w00t, w00t. Now, to finish that last rank before I hit the wall in the guild.

-TheE-

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by Kranar
You know that scene where those women/operators are wearing all white, the background is all white, and it's like a control room to ships to enter Zion?

That was being done inside of the "console," not the real world. So those futuristic looking control things weren't real? Fiddlesticks. That was the one thing I liked about the second one. That and Colonel Sanders' miraculous cameo.

[TheEschaton]

I liked Cornell West's cameo myself.


-TheE-

[Drew2]

I just finished Revolutions for the first time.

I really liked it... but I wish the ending wasn't so muddy. I think I get it all, though. I'd have to do some research to figure out all of the allusions.


****DO NOT READ FURTHER IF YOU HAVE NOT SEEN THE MOVIE PLZ*************









One problem I have is the fact that Neo dies. Now, I can see how it would be logical... him having served his purpose, completed the cycle, whatever. It just kind of sucks. I think he should get to enjoy the fruits of his labor. All in all I liked the movie a lot and it leaves a lot to the imagination on how the future could be for them.

If anyone has an INTELLIGENT comments to add regarding the outcome of it, I'm very interested in discussing some of the points of the movie.

[Edited on 4-7-2004 by Tayre]

[Drew2]

Oh and I noticed that Jasmine from Angel was in the movie. I thought that was pretty neat.

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by Tayre
Oh and I noticed that Jasmine from Angel was in the movie. I thought that was pretty neat. I can't believe you caught that and I didn't. :( :( :(

And.. er.. SPOILER DON'T READ ANYMORE AND ALL THAT








I thought Neo was just unconscoius? Couldn't he still be alive? Then again, I still think (CB) Spike's alive too.

[Xcalibur]

Matrice is too religious for me.

My matrice top 3 would be: 2-1-3

[TheEschaton]

MAtrix philosophy, don't read if you don't want spoilers.



The whole thing is meant to be cyclical. Like, when Morpheus parts ways with Neo in the 3rd movie, it mirrors the first, where Morpheus, on meeting Neo, says, "The Pleasure is mine." (in the third, Morpheus says, "Believe me, Neo, the pleasure is still mine).

Therefore, you see things happening in concentric circles, sort of, in terms of the deaths. Neo, Smith, Trinity, Trinity, Smith, Neo. What is the focal point at the center? I'd have to say the dialogue with the Oracle, in the third movie, where she says "I don't know." It's the first time she says anything like that, and it's important too. The whole trilogy is like that, really. The first movie is about freeing oneself from bondage. The second one is about how we are in reality, slaves to our choice (the representation of this would be the Merovingian), the third movie is about how we free ourselves OF our choice, by accepting our "karmic duty" and doing what we're meant to do.

It's all fucked up. I love it. I think I'm gonna write a thesis on it one day. I wonder if law professors will accept that.

-TheE-
The above are all my own conclusions, so they shouldn't be taken for anything but incoherent rambling.

[TheEschaton]

P.S. I also find it wholly satisfying that the only person who survives the ordeal, from beginning to end, is not the Oracle (who has to change "shells), not Neo, not Trinity, not Smith, or anyone else....


....but Morpheus. The one who believed. Which, of course, is the point of the whole movie. The last line, by the Oracle, is when she's questioned by Seraph, who says, "Did you know...?", and she says, "No...I never knew. But I believed."

-TheE-

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by TheEschaton
....but Morpheus. The one who believed. Which, of course, is the point of the whole movie. The last line, by the Oracle, is when she's questioned by Seraph, who says, "Did you know...?", and she says, "No...I never knew. But I believed."But if the Oracle believed, why did she change bodies? :?: and neo isn't dead. He's sleeping. :D

[Drew2]

No, Neo is dead. Didn't you catch the whole angellic thing when they were carting his body off? They showed the world as 'light' one last time and the machine carrying his body looked like an angel, sort of. He brought the 'evil' into himself and destroyed it... destroying himself in the process.

And in my opinion, when the Oracle told the little girl they'd see him again 'one day', I don't think she was actually refering to THAT 'Neo'. She was saying that one day the cycle will begin again.

[Edited on 4-8-2004 by Tayre]

[imported_Kranar]

Spoiler alert:



<< If anyone has an INTELLIGENT comments to add regarding the outcome of it, I'm very interested in discussing some of the points of the movie. >>

He had to die though, there was no way around it.

Smith was his inverse, as the Oracle put it, Smith was the Anti-Neo.

That's why Neo lets Smith take over him, because he comes to understand that the only way to restore balance in the Matrix is to allow Smith to absorb Neo into himself. Since Neo is the opposite of Smith, when they merge they will undo one another and cancel the other one out.

Hence... they both die.

[TheEschaton]

In reality, the woman who played the Oracle in the first two movies died. They had to write in a reason why she changed bodies, which, I think, still fit in pretty well. Something about the choice she had to make, if she wanted to stay in the Matrix to help.

And Neo is most definately dead. What, you have a crush on Keanu?

The only cliched part was the whole being blinded thing. That's so Teireisias-and-every-other-blind-seer-in-Greek-mythology.

-TheE-

[Latrinsorm]

But Neo has a physical body, whereas Smith doesn't. Neo already dissociated his Matrix consciousness thing from his body, why couldn't he kill himself in the Matrix and be alive in the RealWorldtrix?

I was really hoping there would be multiple Matrices, too, after Neo used his powers in the real world. :( I suppose he could wake up to start the fourth one.

edit:
What, you have a crush on Keanu? ......

.....no!! stfu. I don't see why they'd kill off Keanu (which isn't all that important) and not kill off the Iron Giant (which is much more important). Different movies, sure, but you know they're all made by the same guy.

[Edited on 4-8-2004 by Latrinsorm]

[imported_Kranar]

When you die in the Matrix, you die in the real world.

[TheEschaton]

The point of the thing with the disassociation was to point out their similarities.

Smith infected Bane's body in the real world, and operated independently of the many Smiths in the Matrix, whereas Neo disassociated with his body to be in the Matrix.

Keep in mind, Smith never had a real body. He's a program.

-TheE-

[Galleazzo]

Complex philosophies?

Complex philosophies???

AHAHAHAHAHAHA

Man, Matrix fanboys really crack me up. Oooo, the Matrix changed my life! they bleat. Excuse me, how exactly? What are you doing differently except thinking Keanu Reaves can act?

This happens every few years. First it's listening to Battlestar Galactica whackjobs about how they got this religion in real life based around those white starships. Then it's listening to people talk about how the truths in Buckaroo Banzai made them different persons. All you got to do is toss some neo-Zen mystical shit into your script and there you go, you'll hook someone.

Sure does sell movie tickets and DVDs.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

[peam]

I don't think anyone's claiming it was a life-changing experience. I'm pretty sure everyone here is discussing valid, well-acknowledged symbolism within the films.

Go watch Iron Eagle.

[Galleazzo]

Nah, I'd rather watch a flick that told a good yarn without pretending to be some mystic guide to life. I want philosophy I'll read Plato.

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by Kranar
When you die in the Matrix, you die in the real world. Yeah, that worked so well the first two times. :P

[TheEschaton]

Galleazo, the movie didn't change my life (except for a brief egomaniacal phase where I was convinced I was "the One" - but then again, I was convinced my life was a TV show after The Truman Show).

However, it is a serious philosophical work. This is not some blatantly obvious Christological symbolism that idiots can figure out.

This movie makes obscure references to things like Simulation and Simulcra, a book no one's ever heard about, by a man no one's ever heard about.

This movie has Cornell West in cameo appearances, as a member of Zion's Council. He is the most well-respected and revered black theologian in the history of black theology, and he said he was amazed by the philosophical depth the Wachowski brothers showed when trying to woo him for the part, which is why he accepted.

This movie goes, in depth, into very very post modern philosophy from Levi-Strauss's structural theory, to the ideas of being a "slave to choice".

Again, Plato, this ain't, though it does have some Platonic themes running through it.

-TheE-

[peam]

Plato is a bore.

[Drew2]

Originally posted by Latrinsorm
I can't believe you caught that and I didn't. :( :( :(

Yeah she was the chick trying to convince Link's girlfriend not to fight. It took me a minute to recognize her but then I was like OOOOH YEAAH. Good stuff.

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by Tayre
Yeah she was the chick trying to convince Link's girlfriend not to fight. It took me a minute to recognize her but then I was like OOOOH YEAAH. Good stuff. The non-maggot part really threw me for a loop. That and none of her kids looked like Connor.

[TheEschaton]

I was re-watching the Animatrix today.


What do people think of 01 (the Machine City) being located very obviously in the Middle East, eh?


Boo.

-TheE-

[TheEschaton]

Can I just say, as well, that I saw the preview for the Matrix Online (Disc 2 of the Matrix Revolutions DVD), and I thought it looked pretty kick ass.


-TheE-

[Parkbandit]

Originally posted by Kranar
When you die in the Matrix, you die in the real world.

Well... except the first time Neo died in the Matrix.

[imported_Kranar]

<< Well... except the first time Neo died in the Matrix. >>

Neo never died in the first Matrix.

Mr. Anderson did.

[longshot]

The first time I saw it, I didn't like the first Matrix. It wasn't until the second time that I really appreciated it.

Let's face it though... this film was meant to stand alone. Period.

Triology my ass.

They knew after they released the second one that they had to push the third one out. Think William Hung CD...

I could handle the second film because it was at least entertaining. The guy from Oz provided some comic relief. If you aren't going to make me think, at least entertain me.

There was nothing like that in the third. It is a bunch of overdone special effects to make up for the fact that nothing is going on. The five minute death scene of Trinity had me laughing out loud in theatre.

My favorite part was the guy in charge of defense. When he died, how did it go? "I never passed the test either!" Rediculous. Just rediculous.

I really like the first movie. I really do. I can maybe understand liking the second. The third?

Can't do it.

I'd rather watch Iron Eagle.

edited for alchohol reasons...

[Edited on 4-10-2004 by longshot]

[Wezas]

Just watched the third.

1 > 2 > 3

I'm into action. I watched the first one because I saw the special effects in the previews. The first one was awesome. The second one had lots of good action (Highway scene was nice). They lost me with the whole architect part. I was bored and confused all at once.

The third barely had ANY matrix-style special effects in it (compared to the first two). If I wanted to watch people fly ships around all movie, I'd watch star wars.

[TheEschaton]

Wezas, lots of my friends agree.


I always say to them, and I say to you, with the same smirk on my face, isn't it amusing that we're more enamored by the fantasy world, than the real world?

-TheE-