Only White People Are Racist

[Methais]

As this video clearly proves:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_xCeItxbQY

http://www.wrno.com/cc-common/whb/whitehousebrief.html?an=VIA-BREITBART.TV-NAACP-Awards-Racism

[Gan]

I'd like to see the whole report - there's more she's trying to say which might clarify why she said what she said in the beginning. Because what she said in the beginning was pretty racist.

The fact that Heraldo is the one doing the report does not help matters. :(

[WRoss]

It's not about...you know...well it is about black and white

Things like this remind me why I moved away from Georgia. As much as I hate to say, there are a lot of white politicians just as bad in Georgia.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Things like this remind me why I moved away from Georgia. As much as I hate to say, there are a lot of white politicians just as bad in Georgia.

I'm sure there are.

I also hope that the clip is out of context, because if she's in charge of rural development, with that recorded opinion, no one should support it of an elected official to be racist. Against any race or creed.

My guess is it's out of context though.

[radamanthys]

I'm sure there are.

I also hope that the clip is out of context, because if she's in charge of rural development, with that recorded opinion, no one should support it of an elected official to be racist. Against any race or creed.

My guess is it's out of context though.

I can't see how it would be.

[Abilene]

Whoever she is, I hate her.

[Sean]

I can't see how it would be.

It sounds like it's part of a story that she's telling about learning that it wasn't about black vs white but instead helping the poor that was cherry picked. But regardless she's an idiot for using her position that way and an even bigger idiot for admiting it.

[Back]

Damn its hard to be a white man these days!

[Methais]

Damn its hard to be a white man these days!

I'm just a white man trying to make it in a welfare handout's world.

[Skeeter]

I've met a lot of racists, and I can say the most racist people I have met (if you can quantify racism) has been black people. Specifically older black people.

[Gnome Rage]

"I'm better than you because I'm black and my ancestors who I never even knew may have been your slaves" is so much better than "I'm better than you because I'm white... which is better, obvi"

[thefarmer]

I've met a lot of racists, and I can say the most racist people I have met (if you can quantify racism) has been black people. Specifically older black people.

Would you expect something different?

[Sean]

"I'm better than you because I'm black and my ancestors who I never even knew may have been your slaves" is so much better than "I'm better than you because I'm white... which is better, obvi"

Um, what?

[WRoss]

Um, what?

x2

[thefarmer]

x2

x3

It seems even stranger when you click on the http://i.imgur.com/Kkorz.jpg link in her sig. Or at least it did to me.

[Skeeter]

Would you expect something different?

I didn't say it didn't make sense. Obviously anyone who lived through the 60s would have some resentment. I merely stated my experiences.

[WRoss]

I didn't say it didn't make sense. Obviously anyone who lived through the 60s would have some resentment. I merely stated my experiences.

Totally irrelevant, but your avatar just reminded me that I need to go cook some bacon. I'll post pictures in the picture thread.

[Gnome Rage]

Nevermind. It made sense when I typed it.

[Gan]

More information:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/07/19/clip-shows-usda-official-admitting-withheld-help-white-farmer/

including:


The Agriculture Department announced Monday, shortly after FoxNews.com published its initial report on the video, that Sherrod had resigned.

"There is zero tolerance for discrimination at USDA, and I strongly condemn any act of discrimination against any person," Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack said in a written statement. "We have been working hard through the past 18 months to reverse the checkered civil rights history at the department and take the issue of fairness and equality very seriously.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I didn't say it didn't make sense. Obviously anyone who lived through the 60s would have some resentment. I merely stated my experiences.

I'd be pretty racist I think, were I a black person who experienced segregation and times after it. Just like were I Jewish and experienced the holocaust I'm sure I'd not think very highly of Germans.

[Delias]

Speaking as a member of several white races with ancestory in a couple of beige ones and a smooth dark chocolate one, I really wish we could go back to the old ways where white people were seperated into groups. It's been a long time since I've heard anyone call me a dumb swede and mean it.

[Methais]

I didn't say it didn't make sense. Obviously anyone who lived through the 60s would have some resentment. I merely stated my experiences.

What about Bill Cosby?

[thefarmer]

What about Bill Cosby?

You're pretty quick to point out/make a thread when black people are racist, cry reverse racism or deny such and such is an example or racism. I can't seem to recall you ever creating a thread (or ever agreeing with) to point out white people being racist.


Might be why some people here think you do have some racist opinions.

.

[Methais]

You're pretty quick to point out/make a thread when black people are racist, cry reverse racism or deny such and such is an example or racism. I can't seem to recall you ever creating a thread (or ever agreeing with) to point out white people being racist.


Might be why some people here think you do have some racist opinions.

.

I've stated plenty of times that racism by anyone is wrong, which last I checked includes white people.

If you weren't so busy receiving cocks in your ass (including big black ones from guys named Tyrone) you probably wouldn't have missed that.

Here's a little something for you to feed your race card:
http://www.fantasticon.dk/fantasticon2008/images/gayniggers.jpg

[thefarmer]

I've stated plenty of times that racism by anyone is wrong, which last I checked includes white people.

I don't doubt you've posted that. But my earlier point still stands.

edit: Since you added "If you weren't busy with cocks in your ass you probably would haven't missed that." ...

I guessed I missed where you created a thread about some white guy being racist to <insert some other race here>?

<Methais gif>

edit2: Since you've apparently gotten butthurt over the comment, (from your edit) I don't particularly think you're racist, but you have posted several neg reps where people have called you one. I was simply making an observation.

[Methais]

I guessed I missed where you created a thread about some white guy being racist to <insert some other race here>?

Please link to any threads that you've created about some white guy being racist to <insert some other race here>.


I don't particularly think you're racist, but you have posted several neg reps where people have called you one. I was simply making an observation.

Liberals calling a conservative racist? Unheard of.

[Delias]

I find racism to be rather ridiculous. I don't really understand the point of holding something against someone that has nothing to do with the choices they make. Now, if you choose to be ignorant, or choose to to act in some retarded fashion, I will be making fun of you. If you are offended most by racial slurs and I seek to offend you, you might be subjected to one. I generally prefer the word retard, though. My friends in social work wish I wouldn't use it, but fuck those retard lovers.

[thefarmer]

Please link to any threads that you've created about some white guy being racist to <insert some other race here>.

The difference is that I haven't created any threads about black racists either.


Liberals calling a conservative racist? Unheard of

So you think you get called a racist simply because you're a conservative and your thread-making (like this one) has nothing to do with it? Honest question.

[Daniel]

Methais being racist and pulling the racist card again. Surprise.

This guy is like a reverse Al Sharpton internet troll.

[Methais]

Methais being racist and pulling the racist card again. Surprise.

This guy is like a reverse Al Sharpton internet troll.

Yeah, that was totally me being racist and playing the race card.

Al Sharpton calls everything racist no matter how ridiculous it is. I call racism racist.

You're one to be calling someone a troll too. That's like Elton John calling someone a fag.

Fag.





































































:)

[Methais]

The difference is that I haven't created any threads about black racists either.

So if I create a thread about a black person being racist, then I'm racist because I didn't also create another thread about a white person being racist? Why stop at white people? Should I also be obligated to make threads about asians, jews, etc. being racist too? I mean that would be the only fair and not racist thing to do right?


So you think you get called a racist simply because you're a conservative and your thread-making (like this one) has nothing to do with it? Honest question.

That, and because people like Daniel are complete douchewaddles.

Plus in case you haven't noticed, anyone that's not on board with Obama is automatically racist, and calling white people who don't agree with you racist is the cool thing to do these days.

[thefarmer]

So if I create a thread about a black person being racist, then I'm racist because I didn't also create another thread about a white person being racist?Why stop at white people? Should I also be obligated to make threads about asians, jews, etc. being racist too? I mean that would be the only fair and not racist thing to do right?

My point was that you only create threads about black people. However you feel that racism by anyone is wrong. Should you be obligated to fill your quota for every race? Nope. Could someone get the wrong impression by only focusing on one particular race? I think so. Obviously you don't though.



Plus in case you haven't noticed, anyone that's not on board with Obama is automatically racist, and calling white people who don't agree with you racist is the cool thing to do these days.

I agree that there are some people that take this stance and I'm sure you've been called a racist for this reason too. Though I'm pretty sure you've been called a racist here before Obama came into the public eye.

Either way, You don't think you (or your posting style is) are racist. I was just trying to point out why some people might get that impression. But since you immediately chalk it up to douchewaddles, people not paying attention due to getting anally raped and liberals, etc, I guess I shouldn't have bothered.

[Methais]

My point was that you only create threads about black people. However you feel that racism by anyone is wrong. Should you be obligated to fill your quota for every race? Nope. Could someone get the wrong impression by only focusing on one particular race? I think so. Obviously you don't though.

How many threads have say, Daniel or Keller created that were about black people being racist? I'm sorry but you're just making a stupid argument here. I'll post a thread about Robert Byrd being racist though. Fair enough?


I agree that there are some people that take this stance and I'm sure you've been called a racist for this reason too. Though I'm pretty sure you've been called a racist here before Obama came into the public eye.

It's gone into massive overdrive ever since Obama came around. Not just with me, obviously, but all over the country.


Either way, You don't think you (or your posting style is) are racist. I was just trying to point out why some people might get that impression. But since you immediately chalk it up to douchewaddles, people not paying attention due to getting anally raped and liberals, etc, I guess I shouldn't have bothered.

Ok I'll put it this another way. I know I'm not racist, and if random people on an internet message board for a text based game think I'm racist because their fragile little minds are super sensitive to my posting style in this age of politically correct gayness running rampant, I really don't care. I'm certainly not gonna bend over backwards and go out of my way to prove it to their satisfaction, which with a lot of those people, would be an impossibility anyway, even if I went back in time and stopped slavery from happening.

EDIT:

(red) Only White People Are... 07-20-2010 04:15 AM You're by far the most racist person on the boards, if not the most racist person i interact with

Please elaborate as to why. I disagree, and as a result I think you're racist too.

EDIT2:

(red) Only White People Are... 07-20-2010 05:15 AM My fragile little mind is thinking you should go fuck yourself.

U MAD BRO?

[thefarmer]

How many threads have say, Daniel or Keller created that were about black people being racist? I'm sorry but you're just making a stupid argument here. I'll post a thread about Robert Byrd being racist though. Fair enough?

Since I can't recall any off the top of my head, I'll have to say the number is small, if any. But like I said before, I only pointed it out as a possibility, nothing more. You don't agree, which is fine.

Also.. Keller's black? I could have sworn he was white.



It's gone into massive overdrive ever since Obama came around. Not just with me, obviously, but all over the country.

I can agree that it does happen more with Obama in office.


Ok I'll put it this another way. I know I'm not racist, and if random people on an internet message board for a text based game think I'm racist because their fragile little minds are super sensitive to my posting style in this age of politically correct gayness running rampant, I really don't care.

Fair enough

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Farmer is a liberal? I always thought he was a moderate.

I don't think Methais is racist though, at the very most, he's as racist as Daniel.

[WRoss]

So if I create a thread about a black person being racist, then I'm racist because I didn't also create another thread about a white person being racist? Why stop at white people? Should I also be obligated to make threads about asians, jews, etc. being racist too? I mean that would be the only fair and not racist thing to do right?



To be fair, all you'd need to do for the Jewish racist thread is make one titled "Israel" and bump it.

For the Asians, title the thread "Forthcoming: China calls in American debt" and bump that.

I'm out of ideas for the Latinos and Canadians.

[Abilene]

Soooo the good news, the radio was talking about this, this morning.. and she had to resign for the comments she made. :nono:

O I see Gan covered this.

[Keller]

:)

The smilie face is my signature move, bitch.

Step the fuck off.

[Sean]

Methais just likes race baiting. The End.

[Keller]

Methais just likes race baiting. The End.

Essentially.

[AnticorRifling]

I have a serious dislike for idiots, skin color doesn't even factor in. Dumb ass is dumb ass no matter how you paint it.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I have a serious dislike for idiots, skin color doesn't even factor in. Dumb ass is dumb ass no matter how you paint it.

I always say after I give presentations, before I take questions... "There are no dumb questions... just dumb people. Ok, lets open the floor up for questions."

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I'm out of ideas for the Latinos and Canadians.

Latinos - "US Olympic team filled with every Mexican that can run, jump or swim"

Canadians - "Wot's this aboot, eh?"

Something like that.

[Clove]

I always say after I give presentations, before I take questions... "There are no dumb questions... just dumb people. Ok, lets open the floor up for questions."There are no dumb questions, just dumb answers.

[Methais]

The smilie face is my signature move, bitch.

Step the fuck off.

I always thought it was an Emeradan tribute.

R U EMERADAN?!!


Methais like race baiting

It's more a case of "Here's what the people who say we're racist are saying."

[Sean]

It's more a case of "Here's what the people who say we're racist are saying."

Sorry I didn't meant to get in the way of your martyrdom with the truth. Proceed.

[Methais]

Sorry I didn't meant to let truth get in the way of my martyrdom. Proceed.

Fixed.

[Sean]

Fixed.

What exactly am I a martyr for?

[Methais]

What exactly am I a martyr for?

Penis?

What exactly am I a martyr for?

[Daniel]

Farmer is a liberal? I always thought he was a moderate.

I don't think Methais is racist though, at the very most, he's as racist as Daniel.

Really?

Do we have to go through this every few months? I'd think you'd know how this is going to play out now.

You'll make some retarded accusation about me being racist.

I'll call you an idiot, point out I'm half white and very much proud of that fact, and ask you to show one concrete example of where I've said anything even remotely racist.

You'll get all frazzled and claim I'm blaming whitey for my [non existent] problems and/or make some stupid reference to me and the homies.

I'll then point out how pathetic of a person you are in reality and you'll scuttle off to your hole again.

Can we just save ourselves the trouble this time?

[Methais]

Can we just save ourselves the trouble this time?

Yes, and here's how you can accomplish it:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3217/3015062728_6b27f9a6ae.jpg

[Clove]

I'll call you an idiot, point out I'm half white and very much proud of that fact, and ask you to show one concrete example of where I've said anything even remotely racist.

You'll get all frazzled and claim I'm blaming whitey for my [non existent] problems and/or make some stupid reference to me and the homies.How do you know he thinks you're racist against whitey? I always suspected you had it in for the wetbaaa latinos.

[Daniel]

Yeah, that was totally me being racist and playing the race card.

Al Sharpton calls everything racist no matter how ridiculous it is. I call racism racist.

You're one to be calling someone a troll too. That's like Elton John calling someone a fag.

Fag.
:)

Lol. How is this not a race card? What exactly did you intend to say by linking to this article and adding the title you did?

Did someone make the argument that only white people were racist or did you just feel the need to throw that out there? Just a coincidence, for like the 400th time?

I'm sure.

[thefarmer]

Farmer is a liberal? I always thought he was a moderate.

Some things liberal, though more moderate, yeah.


The smilie face is my signature move, bitch.

Since nobody, including you mentioned it.. I'll repeat again. You're black?!

[Daniel]

How do you know he thinks you're racist against whitey? I always suspected you had it in for the wetbaaa latinos.

and the asians.

[Daniel]

Since nobody, including you mentioned it.. I'll repeat again. You're black?!

No.

You must have missed that period where you were labeled a black racist if you dared acknowledge that there was racism in America. That's how SHM gets off calling me racist and why people think Keller is black.

Fun times.

[Sean]

Penis?

What exactly am I a martyr for?

Are you serious? I suggest you go back and reread this thread, any pay close attention to what BriarFox is trying to say.

You pretend to go on about noble causes.. racism sucks, fuck all racism, there's no such thing as reverse racism, etc. which are things that anyone can get behind. But your history of posts on these boards make it clear you only really care about when racism happens towards someone who's white.

You bait people into your arguments with this stories and then when someone disagrees with you they must obviously think you're a racist or their a 'douchewaddle' or it's because you're a conservative. But the fact is you're not a racist you're just an asshole.

Did this lady say something stupid, yes she did. Did you bother to follow up with what her comment on what she was trying to say? no. Here I'll help you, I'll even use FoxNews..

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/07/20/ex-ag-official-says-video-showing-white-farmer-story-excludes-key-context/


She said the whole video would reveal that she eventually came to work closely with the white farmer and that she was trying to impart a lesson about how important it is to get "beyond the issue of race."

"I went on to work with many more white farmers," she said. "The story helped me realize that race is not the issue."

Or the part where she actually did help the farmer..


The wife of the farmer who was the subject of Sherrod's story also told FoxNews.com on Tuesday that the administration should not have forced her out and that Sherrod actually helped the couple save their farm.

"She'll always be my friend," Eloise Spooner said. She said the incident Sherrod was referring to happened more than two decades ago and that she and her husband Roger worked together closely to keep the farm out of foreclosure.

"I don't think they gave her a chance to tell really what happened," Eloise Spooner said. "I don't think they'll find anybody that can fill the job any better than she did. That's my opinion."

hell you didn't even go on to state the she's claiming the white house/obama forced her out without knowing the entire video.

But the fact is you don't give a shit about any of that you just care that something on youtube was disparaing of white people. And that's what you've become a martyr of.. the perceived notion that white people are treated poorly in society. Don't let the truth get in the way.

[Methais]

Lol. How is this not a race card? What exactly did you intend to say by linking to this article and adding the title you did?

Crying wolf on racism (i.e. calling people that disagree with Obama racist) = playing the race card. Calling real racism racist isn't.

"You disagree with Obamacare because you're racist!" < ---- Playing the race card

"Some guy walked up to me, yelled "DIE NIGGER!!!!" and then hit me in the face with a pipe and ran off. He's racist!" <----- Not playing the race card.

I know you're stupid but I really don't think you're THAT stupid that you can't understand this concept. Pretty sure you already understood that before you posted, but damned if you'll let that stop you from making stupid posts anyway.


What exactly did you intend to say by linking to this article and adding the title you did?

The video was taken from some NAACP Freedom Fund dinner event. The NAACP plays the race card on white people 24/7.

You seriously couldn't piece that together yourself?

EDIT:
Only White People Are... 07-20-2010 01:36 PM Way to miss the point. Keep on being a racist douche

See what I mean?

[Daniel]

Crying wolf on racism (i.e. calling people that disagree with Obama racist) = playing the race card. Calling real racism racist isn't.

"You disagree with Obamacare because you're racist!" < ---- Playing the race card


And who says this on this board?

[Methais]

But the fact is you're not a racist...

Glad we were able to clear that up.
http://cometbranding.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/thumbs-up-low-res.jpg

[Methais]

And who says this on this board?

I didn't realize that things discussed on this board were limited only to things other people on this board have said. My sincerest apologies.

That said, chances are it or something equivalent has been said on here at some point anyway.

[Clove]

That's how SHM gets off calling me racist and why people think Keller is black.

Fun times.Keller's white?

[Gan]

Keller's white?

haha. Back in the day I thought he was black too.

He's got some pics up in the picture post thread - unless he just randomly snapped some shots of a young couple with a baby while in France. *And on the metro in DC. <Stalker alert!>

[Parkbandit]

Really?

Do we have to go through this every few months? I'd think you'd know how this is going to play out now.

You'll make some retarded accusation about me being racist.

I'll call you an idiot, point out I'm half white and very much proud of that fact, and ask you to show one concrete example of where I've said anything even remotely racist.

You'll get all frazzled and claim I'm blaming whitey for my [non existent] problems and/or make some stupid reference to me and the homies.

I'll then point out how pathetic of a person you are in reality and you'll scuttle off to your hole again.

Can we just save ourselves the trouble this time?

http://www.platformtennis.org/Assets/Assets/images/Cron_revisionist_history-299x288.jpg

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

ROFL, Daniel cracks me up. Good to see you still troll every couple weeks, it's good stuff.

[Sean]

ROFL, Daniel cracks me up. Good to see you still troll every couple weeks, it's good stuff.

Is it really trolling if you brought him into the conversation? I like you both but this just seems a bit strange.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Is it really trolling if you brought him into the conversation? I like you both but this just seems a bit strange.

The trolling I meant was his original post,

[Troll]
Methais being racist and pulling the racist card again. Surprise.

This guy is like a reverse Al Sharpton internet troll. [/Trolling]

which of course made me think of him since he posted, and my comment how Methais isn't any more racist than him further down the thread.

Daniel did say something in his attempt to bag on me, that I thought interesting anyway. I wonder why he's proud of being half white (or half black, doesn't matter which). I've got a Heinz 57 mix in me, but am predominately Caucasian. I don't necessarily have any pride in being white, or 1/8th Bohemian...

If I was from Bohemia, or Ireland, or Scotland, or some specific place where a certain ethnicity was predominate and lots of pride in that ethnicity I'd get it. I'm proud of things I've done, but have not emotion, positive or negative, about my ethnicity. It's foreign to me and makes me wonder what he meant.

What'd you mean Daniel?

[nub]

So... the lady did something 24 years ago, she explained what she did was wrong (what she did 24 years ago). She was in a conference saying how she changed, which is a good thing. She was with a different organization at the time, a non-profit one. She says she is now friends with the family that she did that too (obviously she felt bad and apologized or something).

So why should she have gotten fired from her current job? She did something wrong and admitted to it, about something 24 fucking years ago.

The people coming down the hardest on her are the conservative CHRISTIAN right... how fucking ironic is that?

[radamanthys]

So... the lady did something 24 years ago, she explained what she did was wrong (what she did 24 years ago). She was in a conference saying how she changed, which is a good thing. She was with a different organization at the time, a non-profit one. She says she is now friends with the family that she did that too (obviously she felt bad and apologized or something).

So why should she have gotten fired from her current job? She did something wrong and admitted to it, about something 24 fucking years ago.

The people coming down the hardest on her are the conservative CHRISTIAN right... how fucking ironic is that?

Is racism ok if it happened 24 years ago, now?

[nub]

Is racism ok if it happened 24 years ago, now?

no, who said that it was?

[Kembal]

Is racism ok if it happened 24 years ago, now?

How the hell is that the question?

She talked about her issue with race, explaining how she realized that she needed to get past that even though her father was killed by a white man when she was a teenager and that the Klan had terrorized her family with a burning cross. She actually saved the white family's farm in question from bankruptcy anyway AT THAT TIME. (and became best friends with them to boot) On top of that, she wasn't a USDA offical then, she was working at a nonprofit.

How the heck are we going to get past race in society if when people talk about their struggle with the issue and how they got past that, we call them racists?

BTW, full video of her speech, since I've not seen it posted yet:

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/07/watch_full_video_of_sherrods_speech.php?ref=fpa

[Gan]

How the hell is that the question?

She talked about her issue with race, explaining how she realized that she needed to get past that even though her father was killed by a white man when she was a teenager and that the Klan had terrorized her family with a burning cross. She actually saved the white family's farm in question from bankruptcy anyway AT THAT TIME. (and became best friends with them to boot) On top of that, she wasn't a USDA offical then, she was working at a nonprofit.

How the heck are we going to get past race in society if when people talk about their struggle with the issue and how they got past that, we call them racists?

BTW, full video of her speech, since I've not seen it posted yet:

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/07/watch_full_video_of_sherrods_speech.php?ref=fpa

Thanks for posting the link Kembal. She was live on CNNHLN this morning talking about how the youtube clip was taken out of context.

The youtube clip gave the appearance of there being more to the discussion but did not include the summary comments made afterwards. Which I thought was suspect.

[g++]

Honestly it servers Obama and the NAACP right for jumping on the bandwagon to condemn a woman over a video they saw on a website. Now everyone looks stupid and the woman likely has one hell of a lawsuit on her hands.

[Rinualdo]

I believe they were responding to the FoxNews report and the ensuing public outrage.

[WRoss]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100721/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_usda_racism_resignation

Not sure if it has been posted yet.

[Atlanteax]

Is racism ok if it happened 24 years ago, now?

I'm going to borrow a page from Daniel's book here.

This is a textbook case illustrating the well-known problem that any black that refused to help a white once, will never ever help a white, due to the lingering pain of how their ancestors had to endure slavery.

Therefore, as she would undoubtedly continue to ignore the plight of the poor white farmer, she had to be fired.

.

Editted to add: In all seriousness, this is just another unproductive media circus.

[g++]

Even though I know you are being sarcastic the white people she "refused to help" are her biggest supporters. If you listen to the entire speech its about her realization that racism isnt everything and how she ended up helping them save their farm....whole thing is absurd.

[Atlanteax]

Right, hence this being just another unproductive media circus.

[Parkbandit]

http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/its_a_trap.jpg

[Stanley Burrell]

I've found out that when you have a work environment with all sorts of different races, colors and creeds, things actually work better when you occasionally, mandatorily, crack a quasi-racist comment towards coworkers (except the kind with tampons stuck in their anuses, they are beyond help and no one likes them) and it improves the overall quality of the environment between coworkers. Because then everyone who has an actual personality gets a bit of healthy rejuvenation. And, if someone hasn't said something racist to you for too long, you have to make a self-defeating racially charged comment. At yourself. Edit: If not, the consequences will never be the same.

Edit-edit: Sometimes, you can do a racial-reversal where if you're a pasty pale-ass, you can shout out, "kill whitey!" That also works. You just need to switch it up sometimes.

[TheEschaton]

So, where's Methais now that it's been shown this video was edited pretty severely, and that the comments Sherrod made were about how she was thinking negative things, BUT THEN REALIZED THE ERRORS OF HER THINKING, and helped the white farmer out because it was about helping poor people, regardless of race.

She didn't exhibit racism, now or 24 years ago, the story was about her THOUGHT PROCESS and how she overcame it - and, in my opinion, overcame it rather damn quickly, within a matter of the same case, even though her father was killed in a race crime, and the KKK terrorized her family.

I wonder why people are surprised that FoxNews and the conservative blogs do this any more. Brietbart (who originally posted the video) said he received it that way, edited, and it wasn't his fault for posting it, since he's not a reporter that needs to fact-check things. Then, FoxNews picked it up, ran it round the echo chamber, and labelled it as racism which was 1) current, 2) part of the Obama Administration, and 3) actual. None of which is true.

Vilsack and the NAACP jumped the gun, to be sure, but I don't see how you can say FoxNews is unbiased when they did NO DUE DILIGENCE on this story at all, they just ran with it. Within hours of hearing of her resignation, CNN who originally ignored this story like all FoxNews stories, had an interview with both Sherrod and the white farmer who she supposedly discriminated against, getting the real story. Then, when it was apparent that FoxNews fucked up, they got on the air and said, "Was Obama too hasty in firing a USDA official without investigating the claims against her?!??!??!?" even though 1) they made the inaccurate, unresearched claims, and 2) Vilsack made the decision, not Obama.

-TheE-

[Rinualdo]

Are there really people on here who think Fox News is unbiased?

[Keller]

So, where's Methais now that it's been shown this video was edited pretty severely, and that the comments Sherrod made were about how she was thinking negative things, BUT THEN REALIZED THE ERRORS OF HER THINKING, and helped the white farmer out because it was about helping poor people, regardless of race.

She didn't exhibit racism, now or 24 years ago, the story was about her THOUGHT PROCESS and how she overcame it - and, in my opinion, overcame it rather damn quickly, within a matter of the same case, even though her father was killed in a race crime, and the KKK terrorized her family.

I wonder why people are surprised that FoxNews and the conservative blogs do this any more. Brietbart (who originally posted the video) said he received it that way, edited, and it wasn't his fault for posting it, since he's not a reporter that needs to fact-check things. Then, FoxNews picked it up, ran it round the echo chamber, and labelled it as racism which was 1) current, 2) part of the Obama Administration, and 3) actual. None of which is true.

Vilsack and the NAACP jumped the gun, to be sure, but I don't see how you can say FoxNews is unbiased when they did NO DUE DILIGENCE on this story at all, they just ran with it. Within hours of hearing of her resignation, CNN who originally ignored this story like all FoxNews stories, had an interview with both Sherrod and the white farmer who she supposedly discriminated against, getting the real story. Then, when it was apparent that FoxNews fucked up, they got on the air and said, "Was Obama too hasty in firing a USDA official without investigating the claims against her?!??!??!?" even though 1) they made the inaccurate, unresearched claims, and 2) Vilsack made the decision, not Obama.

-TheE-

They are Faux News for a reason.

[g++]

Vilsack and the NAACP jumped the gun, to be sure, but I don't see how you can say FoxNews is unbiased when they did NO DUE DILIGENCE on this story at all, they just ran with it. Within hours of hearing of her resignation, CNN who originally ignored this story like all FoxNews stories, had an interview with both Sherrod and the white farmer who she supposedly discriminated against, getting the real story. Then, when it was apparent that FoxNews fucked up, they got on the air and said, "Was Obama too hasty in firing a USDA official without investigating the claims against her?!??!??!?" even though 1) they made the inaccurate, unresearched claims, and 2) Vilsack made the decision, not Obama.

-TheE-

Honestly the idea that the President is making snap decisions based on some shit on TV which is an unsourced video from a web site is scary as hell. Fox news is bad for running the story but thats no exuse for the president of the United States to not do his own homework before ordering a firing. Its not like he doesnt have the man power to have his office investigate this kind of shit.

[TheEschaton]

He didn't make the decision. He's just supporting his SecAg post facto.

[Clove]

So, where's Methais now that it's been shown this video was edited pretty severely, and that the comments Sherrod made were about how she was thinking negative things, BUT THEN REALIZED THE ERRORS OF HER THINKING, and helped the white farmer out because it was about helping poor people, regardless of race.I don't know, but I never did get clarification to your statement concerning Switzerland's crime rate vs. the crime rate of US cities with strict gun control.

http://gravity.dnsprotect.com/~gsplayer/forum/showpost.php?p=1072637&postcount=42


She didn't exhibit racism, now or 24 years ago, the story was about her THOUGHT PROCESS and how she overcame it - and, in my opinion, overcame it rather damn quickly, within a matter of the same case, even though her father was killed in a race crime, and the KKK terrorized her family.

I wonder why people are surprised that FoxNews and the conservative blogs do this any more. Brietbart (who originally posted the video) said he received it that way, edited, and it wasn't his fault for posting it, since he's not a reporter that needs to fact-check things. Then, FoxNews picked it up, ran it round the echo chamber, and labelled it as racism which was 1) current, 2) part of the Obama Administration, and 3) actual. None of which is true.

Vilsack and the NAACP jumped the gun, to be sure, but I don't see how you can say FoxNews is unbiased when they did NO DUE DILIGENCE on this story at all, they just ran with it. Within hours of hearing of her resignation, CNN who originally ignored this story like all FoxNews stories, had an interview with both Sherrod and the white farmer who she supposedly discriminated against, getting the real story. Then, when it was apparent that FoxNews fucked up, they got on the air and said, "Was Obama too hasty in firing a USDA official without investigating the claims against her?!??!??!?" even though 1) they made the inaccurate, unresearched claims, and 2) Vilsack made the decision, not Obama.

-TheE-It should cause massive embarrassment for Fox News and conservatives on witch hunts; however, at the end of the day this will simply be another example of the "there's no such thing as bad publicity" rule.

[Rinualdo]

Honestly the idea that the President is making snap decisions based on some shit on TV which is an unsourced video from a web site is scary as hell. Fox news is bad for running the story but thats no exuse for the president of the United States to not do his own homework before ordering a firing. Its not like he doesnt have the man power to have his office investigate this kind of shit.

Did you miss this?


Vilsack made the decision, not Obama.

[g++]

Did you miss the part where the women who was fired told CNN she was told by her director to pull over and type her resignation into her blackberry because the white house had ordered it?

Now that its obvious this was a mistake of course theres a line around the block of empty suits to fall on their swords for Obama but the quote from the woman who was actually fired and has nothing to lose involves the white house.

[Clove]

He didn't make the decision. He's just supporting his SecAg post facto.That may be a distinction, but honestly I don't see how it lessens criticism. If SecAg made a bad, snap decision their boss shouldn't be supporting it.

[Rinualdo]

Did you miss the part where the women who was fired told CNN she was told by her director to pull over and type her resignation into her blackberry because the white house had ordered it?

Now that its obvious this was a mistake of course theres a line around the block of empty suits to fall on their swords for Obama but the quote from the woman who was actually fired and has nothing to lose involves the white house.

I guess I did?


The Obama administration's move to reconsider her employment was a reversal on the position just hours earlier, when a White House official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said President Barack Obama had been briefed on Sherrod's resignation after the fact and stood by the Agriculture Department's handling of it.

[ClydeR]

You must have all noticed that Clyde did not jump on this story. I knew something was wrong. That's why I waited on the full facts. The Ag. Dept. should have done the same.

[Rinualdo]

That may be a distinction, but honestly I don't see how it lessens criticism. If SecAg made a bad, snap decision their boss shouldn't be supporting it.

Without stating he was right or wrong, could you imagine the uproar that would have happened had he not supported him? He'd be looking to fill a new Cabinet position. It may have been the lesser of two evils.

From what I understand, she is a fairly low ranking individual, and personnel decisions really should be left to those respective departments.


That's why I waited on the full facts. The Ag. Dept. should have done the same.

In this instance, I agree.

[g++]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_upshot/20100720/el_yblog_upshot/resigned-usda-worker-white-house-forced-me-out

[Clove]

The Obama administration's move to reconsider her employment was a reversal on the position just hours earlier, when a White House official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said President Barack Obama had been briefed on Sherrod's resignation after the fact and stood by the Agriculture Department's handling of it.I've bolded the White House's failure. That sort of dismissal was NOT routine and the executive should have made a little effort to look outside the briefing IMO. She may have been a low-ranking official, but the circumstances were certainly sensational and exceptional and again, IMO a conscientious executive should make the effort to validate the decision; not rubber-stamp it based on the briefing. Nobody brief's their boss "We made a snap decision to fire someone based on an out of context video clip."

[Rinualdo]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_upshot/20100720/el_yblog_upshot/resigned-usda-worker-white-house-forced-me-out

That's a great example of varying news sources. The article you linked says
She said the White House called her twice while she was driving

However, another and more specific article states
Sherrod said she was on the road Monday when USDA deputy undersecretary Cheryl Cook called her

Given the writer of the Yahoo report, I'm more inclined to believe the specifics rather then the general.

Either way, to me the real story is the Fox News report and the lack of diligence by the Secretary.

[TheEschaton]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_upshot/20100720/el_yblog_upshot/resigned-usda-worker-white-house-forced-me-out

It's a pretty common middle management tactic when firing someone to blame upper management, yanno.

[Clove]

It's a pretty common middle management tactic when firing someone to blame upper management, yanno.That doesn't sound very lawyerly... if a situation is common, it must be?

[Atlanteax]

Either way, Obama's political standing continues to get hit hard.

[Clove]

True dat G.

[Rinualdo]

He just signed a financial reform bill, is about to have his Supreme Court nominee approved by the Senate, and the Unemployment bill he wanted just passed the Senate.

I think he's doing fine politically, agree with those bills or not.

[Keller]

Either way, Obama's political standing continues to get hit hard.

Really?

Or the vast right-wing conspiracy theorist "news" outlets continue to lose credibility.

[Clove]

If his approval rating doesn't climb he had better get his agendas advanced now; while he still can. Having the power to make things happen in the midst of an uncertain future to maintain that power isn't what I would define as "doing fine"

[Rinualdo]

O RLY? http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0710/39952.html

[Cephalopod]

It should cause massive embarrassment for Fox News and conservatives on witch hunts; however, at the end of the day this will simply be another example of the "there's no such thing as bad publicity" rule.

Why would it cause embarrassment? Brietbart's previous doctored video footage (the ACORN pimp tapes) didn't really cause much embarrassment for him or Fox News when they were shown to be heavily edited shams, and they played up the pimp stuff pretty heavily on Fox. Maybe because the outing of the edited tapes came so quickly this time, it'll be different? We'll see.

[Cephalopod]

O RLY? http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0710/39952.html

Not to be a negative nancy, but Clove is right. Democrats are going to take an ass-raping in the fall, so Obama needs to hurry up and do what he can do move his agenda along now. Without an approval rating climb, he's going to get sloppy seconds from the GOP ass-raping for two more years.

[TheEschaton]

Well, FoxNews's problem this time was that they didn't control the unedited video source. :P In the ACORN thing, that idiot kid controlled the footage, so they could just deny, deny, deny.

[Rinualdo]

Not to be a negative nancy, but Clove is right. Democrats are going to take an ass-raping in the fall, so Obama needs to hurry up and do what he can do move his agenda along now. Without an approval rating climb, he's going to get sloppy seconds from the GOP ass-raping for two more years.

Maybe, maybe not. There are certainly some Democrats that need to go, but November is a long ways away and we've yet to see how electable some of those extreme tea party-esque candidates are outside of a primary.

Its also not going so well for the Republican party either http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/jul/20/rnc-fails-to-report-to-fec-7-million-in-debt/

[Clove]

Why would it cause embarrassment? Brietbart's previous doctored video footage (the ACORN pimp tapes) didn't really cause much embarrassment for him or Fox News when they were shown to be heavily edited shams, and they played up the pimp stuff pretty heavily on Fox. Maybe because the outing of the edited tapes came so quickly this time, it'll be different? We'll see.The E summed it up. This video source was available in its entirety, they just didn't bother to research it.


Not to be a negative nancy, but Clove is right. Democrats are going to take an ass-raping in the fall, so Obama needs to hurry up and do what he can do move his agenda along now. Without an approval rating climb, he's going to get sloppy seconds from the GOP ass-raping for two more years.I'm not trying to be a negative Nacy either and I allow for the possibility of Obama rallying his approval in the future. The unspun snapshot of his situation NOW is, he's not doing well politically. Call a spade a spade, just sayin'.

[Gan]

It should cause massive embarrassment for Fox News and conservatives on witch hunts; however, at the end of the day this will simply be another example of the "there's no such thing as bad publicity" rule.

Unfortunately I do not believe this 'black eye' for Fox News and Brietbart will do anything to improve the veracity of political stories coming from them or from any other news outlet for that matter. Ask Dan Rather.

We're in an era of shock media where anything post facto is a mere side note. The reaction is the goal and for some that is enough, sadly.

[g++]

It's a pretty common middle management tactic when firing someone to blame upper management, yanno.

Well look at the end of the day it comes down to how you believe a large organization would function. Either you believe that this video was posted and the deputy under secretary of agriculture whose name escapes me at the moment was so embarressed and fearful for her political career that she immediately fired the woman on the national stage and then sent the white house a post it note just to let them know about how she smoked her ass with her deputy undersecretary skills. Or you believe the order came from the white house. Personally I dont see many middle managers with no political careers giving a shit about the political fall out of a video or wanting to risk their own careers firing a person over a video. I believe this prolly went top-down not the other way around.

[Clove]

O RLY? http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0710/39952.htmlThat's not going to help Obama if Democrats maintain a majority position and HE isn't elected, is it?

[Rinualdo]

Obama rallying his approval in the future. The unspun snapshot of his situation NOW is, he's not doing well politically. Call a spade a spade, just sayin'.

What are you basing that on? If political viability is measured in your ability to get your agenda passed, he seems to be doing pretty well, no?
Like him or dislike, agree or disagree, how can you argue he isn't moving his agenda along swiftly.
This week alone he signs the Financial reform bill, his nominee for Supreme Court moves out of committee and heads to the full Senate where its all but guaranteed she'll be confirmed. The Jobless Aid bill he wants cleared the Senate and is heading to the House for likely passage.

I really can't think of any major defeats. How does that not meet the definition of doing well politically?


That's not going to help Obama if Democrats maintain a majority position and HE isn't elected, is it?

Of course not, but by what correlation can you state that since he doesn't have a huge approval rating now, he is in jeopardy to lose the election more then 2 years away when no opposition has been identified? Its silly to even speculate that far in advance.
Or to put it another way, isn't Obama's approval rating just about where Reagan's was during the same timeframe of his first term?

[TheEschaton]

Well look at the end of the day it comes down to how you believe a large organization would function. Either you believe that this video was posted and the deputy under secretary of agriculture whose name escapes me at the moment was so embarressed and fearful for her political career that she immediately fired the woman on the national stage and then sent the white house a post it note just to let them know about how she smoked her ass with her deputy undersecretary skills. Or you believe the order came from the white house. Personally I dont see many middle managers with no political careers giving a shit about the political fall out of a video or wanting to risk their own careers firing a person over a video. I believe this prolly went top-down not the other way around.

Except Tom Vilsack, the Secretary of Agriculture (a cabinet level position), said he was the one who did the firing. Vilsack being a consumate politician, having been a former governor.

-TheE-

[Keller]

Call a spade a spade, just sayin'.

In before Methais: Racist.

[g++]

Except Tom Vilsack, the Secretary of Agriculture (a cabinet level position), said he was the one who did the firing. Vilsack being a consumate politician, having been a former governor.

-TheE-

Ok well I look forward to the white house firing him for this egregious error. If he is not fired im assuming the white house told him to do it.

[Parkbandit]

What are you basing that on? If political viability is measured in your ability to get your agenda passed, he seems to be doing pretty well, no?
Like him or dislike, agree or disagree, how can you argue he isn't moving his agenda along swiftly.
This week alone he signs the Financial reform bill, his nominee for Supreme Court moves out of committee and heads to the full Senate where its all but guaranteed she'll be confirmed. The Jobless Aid bill he wants cleared the Senate and is heading to the House for likely passage.

I really can't think of any major defeats. How does that not meet the definition of doing well politically?


Considering that his party had super majorities in both the House and the Senate.. with 2 or 3 "Republicans" voting with the Dems on most issues... I'm not sure how you can say he has been an effective politician.

[Clove]

What are you basing that on? If political viability is measured in your ability to get your agenda passed, he seems to be doing pretty well, no?My statement was clear enough for Nachos to understand, where is your defect in comprehension? If I can fire a cannon from a sinking ship would that make me an effective naval unit? Today, given his approval trend, Obama's political future looks uncertain.


Of course not, but by what correlation can you state that since he doesn't have a huge approval rating now, he is in jeopardy to lose the election more then 2 years away when no opposition has been identified?Using that logic how can you be so sure the Democrats that are polling well will be elected come November?

You also must have missed my (very clear) statement that Obama could turn around his ratings. I didn't say he can't win a re-election or that his ship has sunk. Only that he is not doing "just fine" politically at present. Who's the stronger politician? The one who can get his agendas passed with a strong approval rating (and therefore a more confident future) or the one without?

[Clove]

In before Methais: Racist.About time. You don't know how hard I worked to get that in this thread.

[Tea & Strumpets]

I always say after I give presentations, before I take questions... "There are no dumb questions... just dumb people. Ok, lets open the floor up for questions."

Here's what you do at the beginning of the presentation. Say "Before I begin, I'd like to recognize two of my co-workers. Jim and Bob, please join me up front."

Wait for Jim and Bob to join you and then say, "I've read that you should always start a presentation with 2 jokes, and these are mine. Thanks guys, you can go sit down."

Then clear your schedule for a meeting with Human Resources.

[Clove]

Shuddap Clyde.

[Tea & Strumpets]

Shuddap Clyde.

You are a bit biased, Jim.

[Clove]

You are a bit biased, Jim.Nuh uh. I'm fair and balanced, Clyde.

[TheEschaton]

Ok well I look forward to the white house firing him for this egregious error. If he is not fired im assuming the white house told him to do it.

Fire him for (albeit mistakenly) firing a low level USDA official? THem not doing that is in no way indicative of the idea that "they told him to do it." Secretaries have to go through confirmation, people make mistakes, this mistake can be rectified, etc. There's a myriad of reasons the administration would not fire Vilsack.

[g++]

Fire him for (albeit mistakenly) firing a low level USDA official? THem not doing that is in no way indicative of the idea that "they told him to do it." Secretaries have to go through confirmation, people make mistakes, this mistake can be rectified, etc. There's a myriad of reasons the administration would not fire Vilsack.

Well....according to your interpretation of things he took it upon himself to instantly fire a person for a video that turned out to not even be a racist video with absolutely no directives from the white house. Obama should get rid of this loose cannon. I mean the fact that hes in Obamas cabinet and probarbly spends 23 hours of each day asking "What would Obama want me to do" and in all probability has actual staff members who actually answer that question for him on a daily basis had no bearing on his decision right? For this actual civil rights violation that Vilsack committed shouldnt he be fired instantly now?

[Clove]

Fire him for (albeit mistakenly) firing a low level USDA official?So it isn't the injustice of Vilsacks action that matters, only how important the person affected is... interesting take.

[TheEschaton]

I don't think you fire the CEO for a mistaken (and probably rectifiable) firing of a low level subordinate. Something should be done, including but not limited to her being re-hired, but I don't think you just boot a guy with Vilsack's experience for one mistake.

[Clove]

And I hate to sound all Parkbandity but I'm surprised the E is shrugging this off so lightly. This wasn't a simple administrative error. If a Bush administration appointee fired a "low level" official for racist comments without even investigating the allegations I have to believe the screaming from the left side would be loud enough to hear on the moon.

[g++]

True true I guess its no big deal at the end of the day.

Good thing no one is ever hurt when high ranking officials make snap decisions based on faulty information.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_War

[TheEschaton]

It's an interesting debate though, on another front: Should Vilsack be blamed for not relying on the reporting of the #1 news station in the country, or should he be able to reasonably be able to rely on them actually being a news organization?

a few weeks ago the Obama Administration said that it should treat FoxNews as a media organization, as opposed to a news organization, because it doesn't deliver the news, so, in that sense, Vilsack was warned against trusting FoxNews to deliver news.

[Clove]

I don't think you fire the CEO for a mistaken (and probably rectifiable) firing of a low level subordinate. Something should be done, including but not limited to her being re-hired, but I don't think you just boot a guy with Vilsack's experience for one mistake.If the government is the corporation, I'd consider Vilsack more of a VP, but regardless a board just might fire a CEO for such a high-profile bad firing- such decision making is an horrible liability, especially when it comes with bad publicity (at a time when the corporation is already struggling with its image).

[Clove]

It's an interesting debate though, on another front: Should Vilsack be blamed for not relying on the reporting of the #1 news station in the country, or should he be able to reasonably be able to rely on them actually being a news organization?

a few weeks ago the Obama Administration said that it should treat FoxNews as a media organization, as opposed to a news organization, because it doesn't deliver the news, so, in that sense, Vilsack was warned against trusting FoxNews to deliver news.Fox News (or CNN or Christian Science Monitor, or MSNBC etc) aren't going to be liable for Vislack's actions. A news report from a credible agency is cause enough for Vislack start an investigation. It is not the investigation itself.

[TheEschaton]

Deciding to go to war != firing the director of Rural Development for the USDA. Thanks for conflating the latter, though.

I'm not saying the mistake shouldn't be rectified, I'm saying that rectifying the mistake by firing Vilsack is too much.

As for whether I would have cared if Bush did it, I don't think I would have. The only reasonable comparison I can think of are the US Attorney firings, but those were serious breaches of non-discrimination, this was a guy making the crap decision on a news source he shouldn't have trusted.

[Parkbandit]

It's an interesting debate though, on another front: Should Vilsack be blamed for not relying on the reporting of the #1 news station in the country, or should he be able to reasonably be able to rely on them actually being a news organization?

a few weeks ago the Obama Administration said that it should treat FoxNews as a media organization, as opposed to a news organization, because it doesn't deliver the news, so, in that sense, Vilsack was warned against trusting FoxNews to deliver news.

Was Fox News the only news source that played the initial video? No NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, MSNBC, etc...?

[Clove]

As for whether I would have cared if Bush did it, I don't think I would have. The only reasonable comparison I can think of are the US Attorney firings, but those were serious breaches of non-discrimination, this was a guy making the crap decision on a news source he shouldn't have trusted.If you say so. Personally I think both sides scream "forgiveness" when their guy fucks up and "crucify" when the other side's guy fucks up.

[TheEschaton]

Fox News (or CNN or Christian Science Monitor, or MSNBC etc) aren't going to be liable for Vislack's actions. A news report from a credible agency is cause enough for Vislack start an investigation. It is not the investigation itself.

Yet if the video were true, and he dragged his feet to do a weeklong investigation, there would have been bloody murder for not doing something quick enough. You sit and hear from experts, and make a measured response, like in the Gulf Oil spill, and people say you're dilly-dallying and missing the boat. But now you're buying right into the FoxNews line of whether the Administration was too hasty, when they were the ones who essentially force the hastiness, in order to stay on top of the "news cycle."

[g++]

Deciding to go to war != firing the director of Rural Development for the USDA. Thanks for conflating the latter, though.

Im just saying it is a big deal. Its not just a little mistake when a government agency rushes to judgement like that it shows a break down in procedural judgement. What do you mean conflating the latter? Ill just assume you mean I was trying to equate the two and I was not...I was equating the two decision making processes that lead to each. Giving too much weight to a single source to reach a conclusion.

[Clove]

Yet if the video were true, and he dragged his feet to do a weeklong investigation, there would have been bloody murder for not doing something quick enough. You sit and hear from experts, and make a measured response, like in the Gulf Oil spill, and people say you're dilly-dallying and missing the boat. But now you're buying right into the FoxNews line of whether the Administration was too hasty, when they were the ones who essentially force the hastiness, in order to stay on top of the "news cycle."Really E? Really? You're comparing an employee who may have made racist statements to a ecological disaster as an excuse to deny a reasonable due-process before firing someone?

Suspending someone while they review the matter (which should not and would not have taken long) would have been far more fair and reasonable than immediately demanding their resignation.

[TheEschaton]

I agree. But I continue to assert that firing Vilsack over this is retarded.

[Clove]

I agree. But I continue to assert that firing Vilsack over this is retarded.And I continue to assert that the only reason you think it's retarded is because you're in Obama's camp in the first place. But then Obama doesn't need to restore your confidence to increase his numbers, does he?

[TheEschaton]

I'm pretty sure I would think it's retarded if this happened to Bush too, as long as some remedy was in place for Sherrod.

[Clove]

I'm pretty sure I would think it's retarded if this happened to Bush too, as long as some remedy was in place for Sherrod.I know I couldn't wait to get back to work for an organization that was willing to fire me without finding out if I actually did what I was accused of first. It just gives you that warm and fuzzy feeling.

Hey, along that line, does that mean I can break your jaw as often as I like; just so long as I pay the doctor to set the bone? I mean, there's a remedy and I'm willing to participate in; why bother preventing me future opportunities to do it again?

[TheEschaton]

Because breaking a jaw is an intentional tort, this is a mistake.

[Keller]

And I hate to sound all Parkbandity but I'm surprised the E is shrugging this off so lightly. This wasn't a simple administrative error. If a Bush administration appointee fired a "low level" official for racist comments without even investigating the allegations I have to believe the screaming from the left side would be loud enough to hear on the moon.

Did MSNBC run with a highly edited video depicting, albeit disingenuously, the low level official as a racist?

I guess it goes to show you how terrified the Democrats are of the mainstream conservative "news" outlets.

[Clove]

Or maybe they were busy vetting the source before deciding on a conclusion.

[Clove]

Because breaking a jaw is an intentional tort, this is a mistake.You can't break a jaw by accident? Maybe I go around swinging a concrete block on a rope. If I accidentally break your jaw, nobody should stop me from swinging my rope, because I can always just pay your doctor's bills.

[Back]

Dear lord please make the Clovespasm stop.

[Clove]

Dear lord please make the Clovespasm stop.Have a beer. Maybe if you get drunk enough a thought will accidentally escape.

[Tea & Strumpets]

Because breaking a jaw is an intentional tort, this is a mistake.

If I can do a Bobmuthol impression and nitpick, I would say not necessarily. I know a guy who broke a thief's jaw after catching him stealing shit out of his car at a mall, and although the thief did have the balls to attempt to press charges for assault, it was thrown out of court.

[Methais]

So, where's Methais now that it's been shown this video was edited pretty severely, and that the comments Sherrod made were about how she was thinking negative things, BUT THEN REALIZED THE ERRORS OF HER THINKING, and helped the white farmer out because it was about helping poor people, regardless of race.

Here I am. http://www.tugsearch.co.uk/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/waving.gif

I didn't watch the whole video since it was posted, but being the raging bigoted racist that I obviously am, I'll take what's being said about it at face value and concede that the original clip was edited to be taken out of context for bullshit purposes, and that Breittbart or whoever is a bag of dicks for doing so, as well as the White House for jumping straight to conclusions about it and firing her over it without investigating the whole thing first.

[AnticorRifling]

Crackers don't dance they boogie.

[Methais]

http://www.fugly.com/media/IMAGES/Funny/tom_cruise_dancing_gif.gif

[Parkbandit]

So... now we have the timeline. Fox News (regardless of what TheE claimed in this thread repeatedly) never mentioned the name Shirley Sherrod or played the video before she was fired under pressure from the White House.

Chris Wallace kicked Horward Dean's teeth in when he tried to blame Fox. Hilarious interview.

http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/fox-news-sunday/#/v/4293318/howard-dean-newt-gingrich-on-fns/?playlist_id=86913

[Stanley Burrell]

Are they being paid to dissect this dumbass incident? I'm seeing three guys in suits talking about the ifs and hows of something so fucking stupid that ... the topic could be about whether or not to bring back Häagen-Dazs' coffee chip ice cream.

[Parkbandit]

Are they being paid to dissect this dumbass incident? I'm seeing three guys in suits talking about the ifs and hows of something so fucking stupid that ...

Wallace is being paid.. I doubt the other two are being paid. I was merely pointing out that poor inept Howard Dean came ready with his disinformation to dispense.. and got shot down with facts.


the topic could be about whether or not to bring back Häagen-Dazs' coffee chip ice cream.

God.. that sounds like really good ice cream. Why don't they have it anymore?

[Rinualdo]

So... now we have the timeline. Fox News (regardless of what TheE claimed in this thread repeatedly) never mentioned the name Shirley Sherrod or played the video before she was fired under pressure from the White House.

Chris Wallace kicked Horward Dean's teeth in when he tried to blame Fox. Hilarious interview.

http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/fox-news-sunday/#/v/4293318/howard-dean-newt-gingrich-on-fns/?playlist_id=86913

Fox News investigated Fox News and found Fox News blameless?

Shocker!

I love how Newt blamed Obama for Newt's comments about her based on a clip played on Fox News.

No spin zone?

[ClydeR]

So... now we have the timeline. Fox News (regardless of what TheE claimed in this thread repeatedly) never mentioned the name Shirley Sherrod or played the video before she was fired under pressure from the White House.

You mean TheE is talking trash about Fox News? He should really be ashamed. He's probably relying on the ultra liberal Media Matters, which still claims that Fox News pushed the Sherrod story multiple times before she was asked to resign. Chris Wallace was very careful, which I don't think Howard Dean caught. Wallace said "Fox News Channel" did not push the story or the video until after Sherrod's resignation. Wallace did not say the same about "Fox News."

I bet Howard Dean doesn't even know the difference between a debit and a credit.

[Parkbandit]

Fox News investigated Fox News and found Fox News blameless?

Shocker!

I love how Newt blamed Obama for Newt's comments about her based on a clip played on Fox News.

No spin zone?

Do you have some evidence to the contrary? I'm pretty sure Fox News would be a pretty good source to say they did or didn't run a story during a given timeline.

Or wait.. is this just your way of not dealing with the facts and bashing Fox News because that's what you liberals do by 2nd nature?

[Rinualdo]

Do you have some evidence to the contrary? I'm pretty sure Fox News would be a pretty good source to say they did or didn't run a story during a given timeline.

Or wait.. is this just your way of not dealing with the facts and bashing Fox News because that's what you liberals do by 2nd nature?

Oh noes! PB isn't dealing with the facts, he's throwing out labels and attacking the person instead of the point.

Be still my beating heart!

And no, I don't have any facts, because I didn't dispute the statement made, though I do find the wording suspicious. He never claimed that Fox didn't air the story, was planning to run it, or hadn't mentioned it- just that they didn't name the woman involved. As was pointed out, they never bothered to interview the white people relevant to the story.

There was clearly a lot of idiocy going on here. If you can't see Fox's, then I pity you.

[Cephalopod]

Do you have some evidence to the contrary? I'm pretty sure Fox News would be a pretty good source to say they did or didn't run a story during a given timeline.

Or wait.. is this just your way of not dealing with the facts and bashing Fox News because that's what you liberals do by 2nd nature?

Lets tote out the word 'disingenuous' here. Chris Wallace was being disingenuous, because Fox News CHANNEL (on the television-box) did not air the story prior to Sherrod's firing. However, FoxNews.com did. I suppose you could argue the two aren't actually the same organization... but then you'd be an idiot.

Also carrying the story prior to Sherrod's forced-resignation: Fox Nation. That's not related to FoxNews, though, is it?

EDIT: AWW, FUCK. I just made the same point ClydeR did.

[Stanley Burrell]

God.. that sounds like really good ice cream. Why don't they have it anymore?

They had the perfect blend of those extra dark chocolate shavings with coffee ice cream. No other ice cream company has been able to mimic it. I have no idea why Häagen-Dazs stopped making coffee chip. It was the best ice cream there was. The consistency ... Everything.

All these fucking hippies with their "dead" Ben & Jerry's' shit has nothing on the pain and malice that has occurred ever since Häagen-Dazs stopped producing coffee chip.

It was awesome, there was no way they weren't making profits off of it. That's exactly when they introduced Cookie Dough Dynamo and two other new-age metro bullshit flavors. If there's one thing in this world I want to know, it's why Häagen-Dazs took coffee chip off the market.

It wasn't like, "OH HAI HERE IS YOUR ICE CREAM CONE, I JUST DIPPED IT IN THE CHOCOLATE SHAVINGS OLOLOLOLOL."

No:

There was a perfect extra-dark chocolate per serving of coffee ice cream ratio. I really don't like to think about this too much. Sorry.

Edit: And now I'm thinking about it. You know what? I'm going to figure out what happened if it's the last thing I ever do.

[WRoss]

Stanley, I found your blog on youtube. GOLD!

[Cephalopod]

Not the same stuff? (http://www.haagen-dazs.com/products/product.aspx?id=361)

http://www.haagen-dazs.com/img_db/pro/pro_jc.gif

[Stanley Burrell]

Not even close. Fucking coffee ice cream. Fucking chips. No Starbucks imitation bullshit.

[Stanley Burrell]

Yeah. I'm fucking around, right?

I'll pull an AR-15 out of a box of snowcones:

http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/8315/investigation.png

[Parkbandit]

Oh noes! PB isn't dealing with the facts, he's throwing out labels and attacking the person instead of the point.

Be still my beating heart!

And no, I don't have any facts, because I didn't dispute the statement made, though I do find the wording suspicious. He never claimed that Fox didn't air the story, was planning to run it, or hadn't mentioned it- just that they didn't name the woman involved. As was pointed out, they never bothered to interview the white people relevant to the story.

There was clearly a lot of idiocy going on here. If you can't see Fox's, then I pity you.

No, he actually stated that her name was not mentioned, nor was the clip shown prior to the White House forcing her resignation. That's the only point I had. Her dismissal had 0 to do with Fox News, as TheE was repeatedly implying.. and everything to do with Obama giving her the heave ho to get in front of the story.

You, on the other hand, took 2 posts to mention how much you hate Fox News... which is a huge shock, given your flamboyant liberal views.

[Rinualdo]

No, he actually stated that her name was not mentioned, nor was the clip shown prior to the White House forcing her resignation. That's the only point I had. Her dismissal had 0 to do with Fox News, as TheE was repeatedly implying.. and everything to do with Obama giving her the heave ho to get in front of the story.

You, on the other hand, took 2 posts to mention how much you hate Fox News... which is a huge shock, given your flamboyant liberal views.

Did you miss this?



Lets tote out the word 'disingenuous' here. Chris Wallace was being disingenuous, because Fox News CHANNEL (on the television-box) did not air the story prior to Sherrod's firing. However, FoxNews.com did. I suppose you could argue the two aren't actually the same organization... but then you'd be an idiot.

Also carrying the story prior to Sherrod's forced-resignation: Fox Nation. That's not related to FoxNews, though, is it?

Are you so blindly loyal to Fair and Balanced or just a bored troll?

[g++]

So... now we have the timeline. Fox News (regardless of what TheE claimed in this thread repeatedly) never mentioned the name Shirley Sherrod or played the video before she was fired under pressure from the White House.

Chris Wallace kicked Horward Dean's teeth in when he tried to blame Fox. Hilarious interview.

http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/fox-news-sunday/#/v/4293318/howard-dean-newt-gingrich-on-fns/?playlist_id=86913

God I had to watch like 5 minutes of Newt Gingrich talking to get to the part you were talking about. You need to warn people about shit like that.

[Parkbandit]

God I had to watch like 5 minutes of Newt Gingrich talking to get to the part you were talking about. You need to warn people about shit like that.

Sad part is... he will probably run for President, giving Obama a chance at re-election.

There isn't a single GOP candidate that I actually like or respect at this point. Looks like I'll be casting another "Anyone but Obama" vote.

[Parkbandit]

Did you miss this?




Are you so blindly loyal to Fair and Balanced or just a bored troll?

My "blind loyalty" cancels out your ignorant hatred.

[Gan]

Are you so blindly loyal to Fair and Balanced or just a bored troll?

:rofl:

You calling out NDLC for being blindly loyal to Fox News.

Hilarious.

[TheEschaton]

So you're saying that the Administration's desire to get ahead of the story was not influenced by Fox, despite it being on their website less than an hour after it was posted on Breitbart's website, and about 2 1/2 hours later on Fox Nation?

[Gan]

Surfing the radio on the way home yesterday and I heard Brietbart on the Michael Savage show. Now he's pointing to some huge conspiracy involving Sherrod, a former lawsuit against the Ag. Commission and the Govt, the NAACP and the Obama Admin.

[Cephalopod]

:rofl:

You calling out NDLC for being blindly loyal to Fox News.

Hilarious.

You mis-read his post. (I did, too, at first.) He was asking PB why he (PB) didn't respond to my post.

No one would EVER accuse me of being blindly loyal to Fox News.

[Parkbandit]

So you're saying that the Administration's desire to get ahead of the story was not influenced by Fox, despite it being on their website less than an hour after it was posted on Breitbart's website, and about 2 1/2 hours later on Fox Nation?

I'm saying that people like you are blaming Fox News, when really you should be blaming the Administration for not looking before they started leaping.

[Rinualdo]

You mis-read his post. (I did, too, at first.) He was asking PB why he (PB) didn't respond to my post.

Correct.
Pre-coffee posting/pasting fail on my part.


I'm saying that people like you are blaming Fox News, when really you should be blaming the Administration for not looking before they started leaping.

What I think people are saying, and Howard Dean said in that interview, is that Fox News isn't blameless. The Obama Administration certainly acted poorly; I don't really see people doubting that.

[Cephalopod]

I'm saying that people like you are blaming Fox News, when really you should be blaming the Administration for not looking before they started leaping.

I'm not TheE, but as a bleeding-heart liberal socialist:

I blame the administration for not looking before they leaped. It was stupid to have such a knee-jerk reaction so publicly.

I blame Fox News for not properly vetting their story when running with a piece of news that came from a demonstrably non-credible source. I further blame them for not only not owning up to running fake news, but playing down their own role in spreading the story and trying to pretend they had nothing to do with it.

I blame Breitbart for being a scummy human being, but it's the news organization's fault they believed him again.

Also, good job to Glenn Beck for being a voice of moderation when the story initially broke, when even O'Reilly was going batshit on it and demanding her resignation. How the hell did that happen?

[Cephalopod]

Fox News admits 'a breakdown' on Shirley Sherrod story (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0710/40374.html)

...eh. No real apology or admission of wrongdoing, just backing up Chris Wallace's disingenuous rebuttal to Dean.

[Rinualdo]

Looks like she's suing (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38468871/ns/politics/) now

[Cephalopod]

Eh. While he deserves it, this is just going to make Brietbart a victim to rally around in the eyes of conservatives.

[Atlanteax]

On what legal basis?

If "taking things out of content" creates a liability, then 90% of the media business is toast.

[Cephalopod]

I would assume under false light or something defamation-related.