Motorcycle Charity Account Closeout

[Vlinch]

I need a new motorcycle, so I'm probably going to sell my Gemstone items to help pick up the tab... I've had some people want some of my items, but I don't want to deal with individual sales... Would anyone mind please looking over this list real quick and give me an appraisal of an account closeout all-or-nothing price please? I can either sell this to someone who wants to keep the good stuff and pitch the rest, or maybe someone who wants to take the time to auction off each item. Again, I'm looking for some good min and max bid ideas for the whole lot please:

* = Hot Items

Weapons:

*a deathly black jagged-edged executioner's sword:
=7x (+35) AS, +30 crit weighting, scripted, bastard sword based (grip switching), hollow hilt for any one small item (I keep a drake dagger in there for skinning fire creatures), 5 lbs
*a deadly midnight black blade:
=8x (+40) AS, +14 crit weighting, falchion based, 3 lbs
*keratin-edged skinning knife
=Self Mana 604, Interesting Loresong, bonus to skinning, less than 2 lbs
a shadowy black mossbark runestaff
=4x
a flame-carved mesille runestaff
=4x
steel discus
=6 lbs, +1 Agility Bonus, Huge Number of Charges, Level 2 level restriction, non-crumbly
rhimar dart
=2 lbs, 1x (+5) AS,
drake dagger (x2)
=0x Fire flares, I cast 604 with my skinning knife, then use this to skin fire creatures.


Armor:

*some viciously spiked armor (Lightest full-plate in the game)
=6 (six) lbs, Full-plate, 7x (+35) DS, defensive earth flares, spiked (can double flare)
*a shadowglass inlaid golvern shield (best medium shield I've found in game)
=10x (+50), golvern, medium, harnessed (can fit bastard swords), 8 lbs
*a battle-worn vultite shield incised with shimmering elven runes
=9x (=45), medium shield, vultite, 6 lbs
*gilded black glaes shield
=8x (+40), medium, glaes, scripted, 4 lbs
a razern-banded vultite tower shield
=7x (+35), tower, vultite, 9lbs, scripted
shady black sylvan wall shield
=9 lbs, 7x (+35), Medium, Wood
*some veil-iron cinched leathers
=10 lbs, 7x (+35) DS, void flares, double leather
*some seductive ora-tentacled brigandine
=25lbs, 6x (+30) DS, leather with "some type of metal", brig, scripted
*a pair of dark golvern leg greaves forged to resemble coiled serpents
=Golvern, 5 lbs, 5x (+25) DS
*a pair of dark golvern leg greaves forged to resemble coiling vines
=Golvern, 5 lbs, 5x (+25) DS, spiked, holy
some studded brigandine armor
=4x, 25 lbs, brig, leather
some scored brigandine armor
=25 lbs, 4x (+20) DS, brig, leather
some fiery scarlet leather
=4x, double, 10 lbs
thick steel shield
=0x, steel, better protects against magical attacks
an onyx-inlaid imflass bracer
=0x, imflass


Containers:

*an onyx-studded wand belt
=SA, any number (14 wands max), 7 lbs
*a sleek black wolf hide ankle-sheath embossed with a gold-stitched snarling wolf
=SA, one item, scripted, ankle-worn, closeable
a thigh-strapped blade harness crafted of deep viridian leather
=MA, several items, closeable
an onyx-inlaid black leather thigh-sheath
=SA, one item, leg-worn
a royal blue snake skin sheath
=SA, one item, belt worn, closeable
some thin broadcloth gloves
=VSA, couple of items
a sleek black backpack
=VLA, any number, back worn, closeable
a dashing light brown backpack
=VLA, any number, back worn, closeable
an ecru damask backpack
=VLA, any number, back worn, closeable
a variegated ivory linen backpack
=VLA, any number, back worn, closeable
a white fur hide backpack
=VLA, any number, back worn, closeable
a hooded ebony lace duster lined with silvery satin
=VLA, any number, shoulder worn, closeable
a loose ebony mantle with silver embroidery
=VLA, any number, shoulder worn, closeable
a jet black mantle
=VLA, any number, back worn
a fiery red mantle
=VLA, any number, shoulder worn
a sigil-embroidered midnight black satchel
=MA, any number, closeable
a pink crushed silk satchel
=MA, any number, belt worn, closeable
a satin purse
=SA, any number, shoulders or back, closeable
a viper skin sack
=MA, any number, belt worn, closeable
a large azure oilcloth sack
=MA, any number, closeable
a large crimson samite sack
=MA, any number, closeable
a large cyan velvet sack
=MA, any number, closeable
a large black oilcloth sack
=MA, several items, closeable
a large black velvet sack
=MA, several items, closeable
a large black velvet sack
=MA, several items, closeable
a rugged buckskin sack
=MA, several items, closeable
a large black satin sack
=MA, several items, closeable
a large black oilcloth sack
=MA, any number, closeable
a large golden silk sack
=MA, any number, closeable
a large blue velvet sack
=MA, any number, closeable
a large green oilcloth sack
=MA, any number, closeable
a large golden treasure bag (x3)
=MA, any number, belt worn, closeable


Magic:

*Small coiled copperhead
=scripted, wand (evil eye, unpoison, poison resistance), eats diamonds to recharge, soul bound
gold-inlaid dark green anklet (x2)
=+5 Harness power bonus (Sorceror/Wiz only)
gold-inlaid dark green jade bracelet (x2)
=+5 mana per pulse (Sorceror/Wiz only)
a slender rainbow-hued glass vial on a thin chain (x4)
=neck worn, holds white flask liquid, non-crumbly, refillable
Black Crystal (x11)
=Self Disc
Gold Ring (x39)
=Teleport
oaken wand (x9)
crystal wand (x2)
polished bloodwood wand
twisted wand
iron wand (x2)
Aquamarine Wand (x12)
Clear Glass Wand (x3)
smooth bone wand (x14)
metal wand
slender blue wand (x3)
silver wand (x2)
golden wand (x5)
a crystal amulet (x5)
= psinet
a snake-etched pewter torc
=tappable, non-crumbly
a glyph-etched pink sapphire earring
=imbeddable, crumbly
a petal-cut peridot band
=tappable, crumbly


Alchemy:

scattering of deathstone granules
elemental core (x4)
s'ayanad crystal (x3)
ayanad crystal (x13)
t'ayanad crystal (x16)
some essence of air (x8)
glimmering blue essence shard (x2)


Other:

*a small black silk sack with a patched label that reads, "Fragile!"
=Live wraith-white kitten, most scripted item I've ever seen, comes with it's own "Comfortable Looking" home (sack)
tarnished skeletal silver cat (x2)
=Can't tell if this is a real or a toy cat, not NEARLY as scripted as the kitten though…
a loop of black cotton string
=Cat's Cradle scripted
Black leather toy troll king
=Scripted plush toy
furry toy monkey
=Scripted plush toy
a bright green stuffed rolton
=Scripted plush toy
some tall knee-high black boots with spruce buttons down the front
=Spring heeled
Uncut Diamond (x13)
=Orb Quality
Uncut Emerald (x6)
=Orb Quality
a vaalin-swept illthorn leaf pin (x3)
=Scripted, pin worn
a pair of dragonfire opal dice
=Scripted
emerald glass phial
=Contains an EXTREMELY strong poison within…
some blood-tipped slender steel claws
=Pin worn, decorative -- makes you look like you are wearing claws while holding a weapon
a crescent-tipped vaalin lockpick etched with tiny runes
=Vaalin construction
chipped dwarven-wrought lockpick
=?
silver-tipped black alum lockpick
=Alum construction
Vaalin lockpick (x2)
=Vaalin construction


Fluff:

a pair of green snakeskin boots with stippled gold spike heels
=Sexy
Travel Guide Tokens (x12)
=Momentos of times I've restarted…
Yabathilium Fruit (x2)
=Full heal
a tailored royal blue skirt
a silver and deathstone circlet
a deathstone inset pewter pin
a pair of chambray gloves
some purple mithril-bloom
a heart-shaped ruby locket
some deep pink damask gloves
an elegant snake skin sash


-Thanks for your time!

[Drew]

# *a deathly black jagged-edged executioner's sword:
=7x (+35) AS, +30 crit weighting, scripted, bastard sword based (grip switching), hollow hilt for any one small item (I keep a drake dagger in there for skinning fire creatures)
# *a deadly midnight black blade:
=8x (+40) AS, +14 crit weighting, falchion based


As far as TWC combat scenarios go, damn.

[thefarmer]

That's probably too huge a chunk of decent/good items for anyone to want to fork out the cash all at once.

You'd honestly do much better paying the 20 bucks to keep your account open for a month and sell it individually.

[Kitsun]

I can't believe travel guide tokens are on the same list as the executioner's sword.

[kookiegod]

As far as TWC combat scenarios go, damn.

I'm using the 8x broadsword and 7x dag....its sick.

~Paul

[kookiegod]

Yah, thats a huge amount of items, 3-4k of good stuff.

Parse it out, I got a few things there i'd want.

Oh, i'll start out by bidding 75m on the self mana skinning knife.

[Vlinch]

I can't believe travel guide tokens are on the same list as the executioner's sword.

"Mob Appraiser on the Simpsons: Well, it won't bring much cash, but its sentimental value is through the roof!"

[Vlinch]

Ok, I got an offer for $3,000 for the lot... Do you all think I should take it, or would I definitely get more if I just held a numbered item auction?

[Rinualdo]

You would get more.

[Archigeek]

It's really hard to peg values right now, but I just ran down the list, ignoring all the stuff that's basically worth very little, and came up with a minimum net value of about 400m, taking into account the generally lousy economy. More likely you're going to get more, but it might take you a little while to get good prices on some of your stuff. There are 4 very valuable items in there as far as I'm concerned: the plate armor, the bastard sword, the skinning knife and the snake. You could get 400m just from those four, but it's really hard to say, as higher end items are also the hardest to nail the value on, and the economics of the day put you in a position where you might not have as many competing bidders as you'd like.

The falchion is probably the next most valuable item, but I'm not exactly sure what it's worth. As a swag lets say it's worth 50m in today's economy.

You've also got about 50m+ worth of shields sitting there, and those seem to be in demand these days, so they would be pretty easy to sell.

After that, there isn't a lot of value there as far as I can tell, but it could add up. For one thing, you don't list the weights of any of the containers, and weight is a huge deal with containers. A VLA container that weighs 6 pounds isn't likely worth much, but if it's 1 pound, it's worth a lot.

So by my not-so-scientific swag, if you ran an auction you could get between 400m and 550m for the pile, and nearly all of that value is in fewer than a dozen items. I think there are people out there who could give you a more accurate estimate, but most likely they won't, as they're probably interested in some of your stuff.

If you want to save yourself some time, one thing you could do is just give away most of the little stuff and put the top dozen items up forsale. Or you could just divide the sale in half along those lines, with the high value items in one auction and the rest in another.

[Buckwheet]

I agree with the estimates laid out so far, and lately coins have gone for 6-7. Not 7-8. Just to keep that in mind.

[Drew]

3000 divided by 6.5 (a reasonable dollar amount for large bulk silvers) is about 460 mil worth. It's really not a terrible offer if you want to get all the money right now and save yourself a ton of hassle. Sure you're not ringing every last cent out of it but that's what happens when you sell in bulk. I actually think it's a pretty fair offer.

[Mogonis]

You also have to deduct subscription costs if the sale takes too long and you have to renew.

[Vlinch]

I agree with the estimates laid out so far, and lately coins have gone for 6-7. Not 7-8. Just to keep that in mind.



I more than agree that silvers arn't worth what they used to be, but that doesn't mean that the items are worth less right? If I remember inflation rules, whatever is abundant in the market is what is worth less than before. Thus, if more money is in the market, then it takes more money to buy the same items... Not that the items are worth less.

So while a set of armor cost 100m a few months ago, just because everyone has 1000M in their accounts today doesn't mean that everyone and their dog can now afford 10 sets of this armor...

If this was bought when 1m was $8 for a total of 800 dollars, then wouldn't the armor still be worth $800 whether that means 100M at $8/1M or 800M at $1/1M?

With the influx of silver, that means that the silvers lost their value, not the items...

Now if there was an influx of

*a deathly black jagged-edged executioner's sword:
=7x (+35) AS, +30 crit weighting, scripted, bastard sword based (grip switching), hollow hilt for any one small item

and everyone and their dogs had these swords, then yes I can see these sword selling for dirt cheap because the market would be flooded with swords...

In my case however, I will not need to know the inflation rate of silvers as since I am quitting, silvers mean absolutely nothing to me... If I do put these items up for grabs, it would probably be cash-only bids, in which silver inflation is taken out of the equation altogether.

[Buckwheet]

Well, you didn't mention cash only bids originally and a lot of people do take silver bids like the 75m bid already mentioned on the skinning knife.

I was mostly just pointing out that if you have 100m item and sold it for 100m it would be worth $1-200 less than what it was a few months ago based on current currency exchanges.

You also have to factor in the much lower value certain items have been fetching lately, not that your items wouldn't fetch premium dollars, just there might be less interest then a few months ago.

[Rinualdo]

The amount of cash buyers has also decreased. Also, cash value of items are not a constant.

[Archigeek]

Cash or silvers, prices are down, simply because demand is down. The game doesn't exist in a vacuum. People are doing other things. I took that into account in my numbers however, but as I said, it's all really hard to peg.

[Vlinch]

Ok... Trying to adapt with all of the information that is being passed on this thread. How about if I bounce this idea up for appraisal:

A dual sided auction. In this auction I will bid these items up against two parties: people who wish to buy-out the entire account (For example, the one who bid $3000) vs. the collective of individuals who wish to bid on one or two items only. I will put up the dozen or so items that people are telling me to auction, and group random items that people are telling me to toss under each category as "bonus items". Then, if the collective individual bids outweigh the single player buy-out bid, then the group of individuals will get their bids. However, if not that many people are interested in the individual items due to the slow market as everyone is warning me about, then the one individual will get everything.

So for an example, here is how the auction would look in the "High-end valuables" forum:
---------------------------------------------------------------
Currently in the lead: "Account buy-out"



Account buy-out: $3,000.00
Collective bids: $2,910.00



-----------------------

Account buy-out: CB $3,000.00 - Person X

-----------------------

Collective Bids: $2,910

#1) Sword: $500 - Player A
-bag
-bag
-mantle
-greaves
-earrings

#2) Shield: $320 - Player B
-bag
-bag
-bag
-kitten
-backpack

#3) Armor: $720 - Player C
-bag
-bag
-troll plushie
-string

#4) Wand: $370 - Player D
-bag
-bag
-greaves
-gold rings (x50)
-mantle

#5) fully spiked armor: $1,000 - Player E
-9x shield
-bag
-bag
-bag
-black crystals


#6) etc.
-etc.
-etc.
-etc.
-etc.

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I'll start out with the MB of $1 for everything and every catagory, and have no buyouts... This will be an everything goes event, and the auction will close after the thrice of the last bid on anything.

I scouted through the auction pages, and it doesn't look like this kind of auction has ever been done. Sounds kind of fun. What do you guys think?

And if you want something that is in the category of "bonus items" -- say the 50 gold rings for example, just put a bid on that, and I will give it a number, rearrange the remaining "bonus items", and throw some "bonus items" under the newly created bid as well. This would make the "bonus items" completely subject to change, so just remember that they are in-fact "bonus" items, and if you want to guarantee that you get a particular "bonus" item, put a bid down on it.

Or if you guys hate this idea I can also just wait 6 months to see what the market does when people from shattered start coming back... I just hate to see items collect dust in a locker though, so I kinda want to avoid that...

[Vlinch]

I'm getting a lot of PMs requesting lbs of items... If this concept is accepted/liked by everyone, I will go through and list the weight of everything in the auction.

If this concept is not liked, then it really doesn't matter does it? ;-)

[Archigeek]

Bad idea. Who wants to commit their coins towards something that unpredictable? You're best off going one way or the other.

[Rinualdo]

I think you'd be better off taking the top 5-6 items and selling them individually, then selling the rest in the method you described.

[Vlinch]

Bad idea. Who wants to commit their coins towards something that unpredictable? You're best off going one way or the other.

You think? I'm totally open for discussion on this...

You're really only committing coins if you win... If you are outbid by the other side, how is that different then being outbid by someone else for the same item?

Again, just discussion for my edification.

[Vlinch]

I think you'd be better off taking the top 5-6 items and selling them individually, then selling the rest in the method you described.

Really? You think the top 5-6 items shouldn't get free stuff?

Again, please no one take offense to any of my questions, this is just me asking non-sugar coated questions for my own edification...

[Rinualdo]

I think the top items you have, the market for them only want that specific item.

[Vlinch]

Yes... I see your point...

[doughal]

I don't know... if I were the one bidding the 3 grand and you opened it up for everyone to bid on against me, I'd be kinda irked and withdraw my bid. Be careful not to piss off your initial bidder and end up with only one option. If the $3000 is a fair bid I'd take it and save myself the effort and annoyance of parting them out and risking not getting as much for the items.

[Celephais]

What kind of bike are you looking to get?

[Vlinch]

Harley Heritage.

[Vlinch]

I had a Harley Sportster 6 years back and am going to do a major upgrade.

[kookiegod]

Yep, i won't bid if you play games.

List the item, take the highest bid. Its your stuff and can do what you want, but i don't get into weirdness.

[Vlinch]

Ok, thank you everyone for your thoughts and opinions. I found it very interesting that the only one person who wrote back saying they liked the idea was the one offering 3000 for the lot... Just, interesting.

I will take all this new found wisdom and get back to you after a bit of contemplation but will more then likely go with an account sellout.

Thank you all again for your time and input as to what I should do. Much appreciated.

[Vlinch]

Updated weight for weapons and armors.