Slovenia vs. United States

[Back]

Totally doable. Slovenia only scored one goal against Algeria. England may have given us a tie but we still held up strong against a world class league.

GO GO USA!!!

[Celephais]

FUCK! are you kidding!

[Back]

Howard is a great goalie but that looked amateur.

[Drew]

Howard is a great goalie but that looked amateur.

That was just a really good shot.

[Endlin]

Nothing amatuer about that at all. You strike the ball that well you deserve to score.

[Drew]

Torres almost put that one in.

[Endlin]

What a ridiculous card.

[Marl]

"one of the stupidest decisions I have ever seen"
love the announcers

[Endlin]

Might lose to a team most Americans can't point to on a map.

[Asrial]

It's not insurmountable. They've been putting in some really good attempts on Slovenia.. it's just the USA defense seems to be lacking today.

[Drew]

Give me Eddson Buddle and some one to replace the Gooch.

[Endlin]

I don't think Onyewu should even be there, let alone be starting.

[Drew]

I don't think Onyewu should even be there, let alone be starting.

Agreed, I feel the same way vis a vis Buddle and Findley.

[peam]

So embarassing

[Celephais]

HELL YEAH!

[Asrial]

BOOM!

[Back]

NOICE@!

[Celephais]

Wow, hahaha, that goalie totally could have stopped the ball, but he pussied out and didn't want to take it in the face.

[Drew]

Donovan terrified that goalie. He could have stopped it but his face would have blown off.

[Asrial]

That's what I'm talking about! Keep taking those attempts.. now the defense better not be slacking off.

[Asrial]

Man.. fuck this ref. He can spot the 'very little piece of the ball' touch but not the unintentional handball from a face deflection?

[EDIT: ..and then they're calling a handball on a ball that was out of bounds? Sheesh.]

[Endlin]

Yeah I haven't been happy with the calls at all.

[Drew]

F this ref.

[Anebriated]

Wow, hahaha, that goalie totally could have stopped the ball, but he pussied out and didn't want to take it in the face.

Yeah the goalie only had a sliver of the net to protect and he didnt put his hands up...

[Endlin]

He ducked!

[Celephais]

This is fucking absurd. F that ref.

[Back]

Is this soccer or Black Jack?

[Marl]

yepyep

[Celephais]

AMERICA! FUCK YEAH!

[Drew]

YES YEYSYEYSYYSYEYSYYEYSYYEYESSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

[Back]

GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!

[Asrial]

All I'm saying is the defense better BE ON THEIR FUCKING GAME RIGHT NOW.

[Drew]

Question: Do we now play for the draw or keep attacking for the win?

[Ryvicke]

asdlfkja;sdkfjasdfjajsdkfj

[Endlin]

I accidentally threw my sammich when my arms went up.

[Marl]

fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucck

[Celephais]

BULLSHIT

[Endlin]

WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Drew]

NO ONE WAS OFFSIDES!!!

[Asrial]

HOLY SHIT THIS REF

[Back]

WTF?

[RichardCranium]

Wow what the FUCK.

[Drew]

I feel like we're playing Germany in 2002 all over again.

[peam]

ROBBED

[Endlin]

Can't believe that shit man...

[Ryvicke]

Absolutely fucking painful.

[Asrial]

*mutters* The USA won.

We'll see next game if that blown call is an issue or not.

Great game though! USA needs to work on their damned defense! You could see them trying to prevent that early goal and you could see Slovenia wanted it BAD, heh.

[Endlin]

Well done to get the draw and all but... It's hard to be excited about it when you had the winning goal stolen from you.

[Back]

Well played except for the ref. Still in it to win it!

[Drew]

What a gut punch.

[Drew]

Not very likely we make it out of the group now.

[Endlin]

I dunno... If England beats Slovenia and Algeria, and we beat Algeria. We're through.

Unless I'm not seeing it correctly.

[Asrial]

I'd rather England and Slovenia draw.

Well.. I'd rather England beat Slovenia and draw Algeria.. but I think the former is more likely to occur.

Though this would just set up a 3 way tie.. meh.

Everyone needs to draw their games and the USA needs to come out and crush Algeria ;)

[Endlin]

Yeah I wish there were better circumstances... I really DO NOT want to cheer for England but... I don't see much choice at this point.

[Celephais]

How do ties in group standings work?

Eng v Alg|Eng v Slo|USA v Alg|Result|Points (USA, Eng, Slo, Alg)
Eng|Eng|USA|Advance|5, 7, 4, 0
Eng|Eng|TIE|Drop|3, 7, 4, 1
Eng|Eng|Alg|Drop|2, 7, 4, 2
Eng|Tie|USA|Tie|5, 5, 5, 0
Eng|Tie|TIE|Drop|3, 5, 5, 1
Eng|Tie|Alg|Drop|2, 5, 5, 3
Eng|Slo|USA|Advance|5, 4, 7, 0
Eng|Slo|Tie|Drop|3, 4, 7, 1
Eng|Slo|Alg|Drop|2, 4, 7, 3

Tie|Eng|USA|Advance|5, 5, 4, 1
Tie|Eng|TIE|Drop|3, 5, 4, 2
Tie|Eng|Alg|Drop|2, 5, 4, 4
Tie|Tie|USA|Advance|5, 3, 5, 1
Tie|Tie|TIE|Tie|3, 3, 5, 2
Tie|Tie|Alg|Drop|2, 3, 5, 4
Tie|Slo|USA|Advance|5, 2, 7, 1
Tie|Slo|Tie|Advance|3, 2, 7, 2
Tie|Slo|Alg|Drop|2, 2, 7, 4

Alg|Eng|USA|Advance|5, 5, 4, 3
Alg|Eng|TIE|Drop|3, 5, 4, 4
Alg|Eng|Alg|Drop|2, 5, 4, 6
Alg|Tie|USA|Advance|5, 3, 5, 3
Alg|Tie|TIE|Drop|3, 3, 5, 4
Alg|Tie|Alg|Drop|2, 3, 5, 6
Alg|Slo|USA|Advance|5, 2, 7, 3
Alg|Slo|Tie|Drop|3, 2, 7, 4
Alg|Slo|Alg|Drop|2, 2, 7, 6


I think that's right... 9 out of the 27 outcomes result in the US advancing, 2 result in ties that I don't know how are resolved (Point diff?)

[TheEschaton]

Ties are resolved by head to head with the team you're tied with, followed by goal differential, followed by I believe goals scored.

[RichardCranium]

ESPN's reporting that England is replacing Green with James for today's game so there's always that.

[TheEschaton]

Oh, and I was screaming at the TV on that last blown call on what should have been the game winner. First time, African ref, I'm saying the fix is in!

[TheEschaton]

So, since we've tied both England and Algeria, it'd go to goal differential - right now we're level with England (pending today's afternoon match), and one behind Slovenia if we tied them. 2 goals will help the total goal count, if England doesn't score much against Algeria, but that's why a 0-0 tie this afternoon is about the best results we can hope for, barring a 1-0 win by Algeria.

[Asrial]

http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/matches/round=249722/match=300061463/index.html

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000569001237&ref=search

Hahahahaha. Is it really him? Who knows!

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..and I don't remember if they go by goal differential first THEN a tie breaker.. or a tie breaker first and then goal differential if that game ties as well.

[Drew]

I think that's right... 10 out of the 27 outcomes result in the US advancing, 2 result in ties that I don't know how are resolved (Point diff?)


So in all but one scenario where the US wins they advance in in the other scenario it goes to tiebreaker. Basically, the US has to beat Algeria (and by a handful of points would be better).

[Celephais]

So in all but one scenario where the US wins they advance in in the other scenario it goes to tiebreaker. Basically, the US has to beat Algeria (and by a handful of points would be better).

That's what it looks like. I did those manually so I may have messed one or two up (Actually I did, fixed them, but could still have other mistakes), but the take-away is that we're not so screwed, we just need to be Algeria and then things will be looking up.

[Drew]

Yeah I was thinking Slovenia had basically secured it for some reason but then I remembered they still have yet to play England. My brain was kind of fried from the ridiculous call. Algeria isn't going to beat or draw England so basically we just have to count on England beating Slovenia (hopefully not allowed any points) and the US beating Algeria. If we do that we should be good.

That will give England 7 points. USA 4. Slovenia 4. Algeria 0. Then we would go to goal differential. Worst result would be if England beat Slovenia 5-4.

[Asrial]

The USA would be at 5 points if we beat Algeria (3 + 1 + 1).

[TheEschaton]

yeah, the one nightmare scenario is actually the 5, 5, 5, tie. What that means is that it'll be a 3 way tie breaker, since that involves England SLovenia tying, they'd all come down to goal differential, meaning how badly the U.S. beats Algeria (needs to be by more than 1) vs. how badly England beats Algeria (needs to be by more than 1). If England beat Algeria by 2+, and have a differential of +2 or higher, they're almost certain to be in even with a draw against Slovenia.

[TheEschaton]

BTW, there's only two scenarios where we would go through (again, depending on the tiebreaker), which includes us not beating Algeria.

[Celephais]

That will give England 7 points. USA 4. Slovenia 4. Algeria 0.


The USA would be at 5 points if we beat Algeria (3 + 1 + 1).

Consult ze chart! As Asrial said, 5, 7, 4, 0.

[Celephais]

BTW, there's only two scenarios where we would go through (again, depending on the tiebreaker), which includes us not beating Algeria.

And both of those scenarios require that we at least tie Algeria. One of which does not depend on a tiebreaker. If Eng ties algeria, we tie algeria, and slovenia beats england, we advance.

[TheEschaton]

Chances of that happening: 0.00001 percent

[Celephais]

Chances of that happening: 0.00001 percent

Well, there are three games, each with three possible outcomes. If you want to give me the percent chance of each outcome we can plot out all the possibilities and make Latrin blow his load.

Right now with even odds of every outcome, the US has a 33% chance of advancing, and a 7.4% chance of it going to tiebreaker. I think it's better than that.

[Guarrin]

that was such bullshit. F that ref. Not only wasn't he offsides. half their defense was bearhugging our strikers. I'm still PIST.

[Asrial]

I'm still PIST.If we get out of the group.. it's moot. We got this! *chest pound*

I'm very surprised to be tuning into England vs Algeria and it's almost half and 0-0.

[Ryvicke]

0-0 would be so good. I'm pretty sure number of goals scored is the second tiebreaker.

Maybe I missed someone posting this:

1. total points earned in group stage
2. goal differential
3. total goals scored
4. results against teams in consideration for advancing to next stage

[peam]

thx england

[Celephais]

Eng v Slo|USA v Alg|Result|Points (USA, Eng, Slo, Alg)
Eng|USA|Advance|5, 5, 4, 1
Eng|TIE|Drop|3, 5, 4, 2
Eng|Alg|Drop|2, 5, 4, 4
Tie|USA|Advance|5, 3, 5, 1
Tie|TIE|Tie|3, 3, 5, 2
Tie|Alg|Drop|2, 3, 5, 4
Slo|USA|Advance|5, 2, 7, 1
Slo|Tie|Advance|3, 2, 7, 2
Slo|Alg|Drop|2, 2, 7, 4


Remaining possibilities.

[TheEschaton]

It's pretty much win or go home. If both England and U.S. tie and they don't score more than 2 goals than we do (2-2 tie vs. 0-0, or 3-3 vs 1-1) we can go through.

BTW, if both U.S. and ENgland win, we win the group as long as they don't outscore us overall by 2 goals. An England tie and a win by us could also win us the group, depending on the tiebreakers with Slovenia - so far they have a +1 goal differential, but the scenario requires that to drop to at least 0, and we've each scored 3 so far.

[Asrial]

I'm not worried about USA losing to Algeria.. but I am worried about the outcome where they draw and England wins against Slovenia.

Please please please USA.. bring your defense!

[Guarrin]

If we get out of the group.. it's moot. We got this! *chest pound*

I'm very surprised to be tuning into England vs Algeria and it's almost half and 0-0.

Yeah, true, we can still advance, but it puts even more pressure on us for the ALgeria game. Donovan already said that he feels gutted. Who knows what they'll be like going into the next game. It's just a shame to see that second half effort, and what should have been a win, only count as a tie.

[Guarrin]

Please please please USA.. bring your defense!

This.

As much as I hate to say it, I feel that Onweyu has played terribly, and cost us 2 goals. He didn't mark lampard in game one, which let him score, and he didn't press the slovenian player on the first goal. Hell, he didn't even stand up. Such a let down.

Go back a year and I saw a US team with a back four that was playing lights out. Now it looks like a mess back there. Which is a shame because Howard is a damn good keeper, and could probably keep a clean sheet if the back four stepped up on D.

[Endlin]

Onyewu has been at fault for a goal in almost every single game I've seen him play in. I am not a fan.

Edited to add: lol England

[Asrial]

It'd be pretty damn amusing if Slovenia and Algeria advanced ;)

[Danical]

The ESPN Zone in DTLA was raging hard at the end of the game. Assholes brought those fucking vuvuzelas too.

[TheEschaton]

ESPN Zone*= assholes, get a hint. I would leave this as negative rep, but I want to publically shame you.


*Only applies to ESPN Zone, and not the channel.

[Danical]

ESPN Zone*= assholes, get a hint. I would leave this as negative rep, but I want to publically shame you.


*Only applies to ESPN Zone, and not the channel.

lol, k. It's not like everyone in a sports bar automatically = asshole

[TheEschaton]

But you have to admit, the asshole to normla person factor is like 10 to 1.

[Back]

Heh. Just met a couple traveling from England. I apologized for their game today and thanked them for the goal Green gave us. They were rolling their eyes in disappointment the whole conversation.

[Danical]

But you have to admit, the asshole to normla person factor is like 10 to 1.

First time I've ever been to an ESPN Zone and there weren't many assholes at all - except the dicks with the horns.

Two things to consider:

1) No alcohol can be served in the DTLA Zone until after 10 AM.
2) USA v Slovenia game was over before 10 AM

[TheEschaton]

maybe it was on your fail coast.



Heh. Just met a couple traveling from England. I apologized for their game today and thanked them for the goal Green gave us. They were rolling their eyes in disappointment the whole conversation.

Pretty sure they weren't rolling their eyes at the slight on the English football team.

[TheEschaton]

And, for clarification, the ESPN zone in Baltimore is choke full of douches and assholes, 24/7.

[Danical]

maybe it was on your fail coast.

I'm just happy I didn't leave my car in DTLA last night what with all the riots and whatnot. Classy.

[LMingrone]

People are walking by my window blowing vuvuzelas all day long. I might be going to prison for a while. See ya guys later.

[LMingrone]

Hehe, I thought of even a better idea than killing people.
1. Set up mic in the window.
2. Record some idiot with a vuvuzela.
3. Set up speakers in the window.
4. Turn up volume all the way.
5. Someone plays one, the mic checks the frequncy range
6. If the frequency is close the speakers BLAST this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cVlTeIATBs&feature=related
7. The reactions are hilarious.

[EasternBrand]

And, for clarification, the ESPN zone in Baltimore is choke full of douches and assholes, 24/7.

Isn't this closed? Aren't they all closed? I know the one in Times Square shuttered, and I thought they closed them all. I say good riddance. Bring back the hookers and danger.

[Nieninque]

thx england

Never underestimate our potential to achieve the unthinkable.

[Nieninque]

Pretty sure they weren't rolling their eyes at the slight on the English football team.

Yeah, we are pretty good at recognising how shit our teams are when they are...It's more likely they were rolling their eyes at being harangued by a bender.

[EasternBrand]

Yeah, we are pretty good at recognising how shit our teams are when they are...

I'll say!

http://theoriginalwinger.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/sunworldcupcover.jpg

[Nieninque]

I'll say!

http://theoriginalwinger.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/sunworldcupcover.jpg

Yeah...quoting the Sun doesnt really further your argument any.

[Drew]

Yeah...quoting the Sun doesnt really further your argument any.


It's true, no one in England reads The Sun.

[EasternBrand]

Yeah...quoting the Sun doesnt really further your argument any.


I concede that you would be right if I had either quoted The Sun or presented an argument.