Drop the shield and pick up the (claid/mace/sai/____?)?

[Caiylania]

Ok, so I'm thinking about dropping the shield and going two hander or dual weapons. (Leaning Dual)

I am at work right and do not have access to my char but I have a fixskills and I want to try something new. Caiy is level 35 with maxed armor.

Suggestions on those options?

Also, if I do this I will have 3 4x blessables, 1 4x battle worn shield and 1 5x rolaren backsword to trade for the weapons I will need after switch. All OHE of course.

If more info is needed let me know and I will post it when I get home.

I figure I will need to drop shield and ohe training. I would also respec my Cmans to be more defensive.


Edited to add:

Caiylania (at level 35),

Skill Name | Current Current | Bonus Ranks

Armor Use..........................| 203 103
Shield Use.........................| 174 74
Combat Maneuvers...................| 174 74
Edged Weapons......................| 174 74
Multi Opponent Combat..............| 130 35
Physical Fitness...................| 174 74
Dodging............................| 138 39
Arcane Symbols.....................| 30 6
Magic Item Use.....................| 96 22
Survival...........................| 70 15
Perception.........................| 166 66
Climbing...........................| 90 20
Swimming...........................| 70 15
First Aid..........................| 105 25
Pickpocketing......................| 30 6



Strength (STR): 93 (21) ... 93 (21)
Constitution (CON): 86 (18) ... 82 (16)
Dexterity (DEX): 85 (22) ... 85 (22)
Agility (AGI): 88 (29) ... 88 (29)
Discipline (DIS): 83 (11) ... 83 (11)
Aura (AUR): 73 (11) ... 73 (11)
Logic (LOG): 84 (17) ... 84 (17)
Intuition (INT): 65 (7) ... 65 (7)
Wisdom (WIS): 56 (3) ... 56 (3)
Influence (INF): 67 (13) ... 67 (13)
Mana: 1 Silver: 0


Is a Mana of 1 and an AS of 278 (with statue rub) and a Stamina of 94 decent for my level?

[Donquix]

Ok, so I'm thinking about dropping the shield and going two hander or dual weapons. (Leaning Dual)

I am at work right and do not have access to my char but I have a fixskills and I want to try something new. Caiy is level 35 with maxed armor.

Suggestions on those options?

Also, if I do this I will have 3 4x blessables, 1 4x battle worn shield and 1 5x rolaren backsword to trade for the weapons I will need after switch. All OHE of course.

If more info is needed let me know and I will post it when I get home.

I figure I will need to drop shield and ohe training. I would also respec my Cmans to be more defensive.

I had a lot of fun with my sais, and hunted without trouble using a combination of sais (4x flaring or 6x blessable) and fu (mainly sais) with copious amounts of MoC up to around 50, and wasn't expecting to have any problems for a while.

you could likely get the same feel but be MUCH more effective with some beefier weapons, sais hit like toothpicks but it was fun and flavorful. they're much better suited as ambushing weapons.

[Caiylania]

What are other good choices for TWC?

[Kitsun]

I personally like shortswords. However the joy of dual wielding is mixing and matching to fit a hunting ground. Heavy armor guys? Snag two handaxes. Light armor stuff? Can get away with a longsword/dagger, two shortswords, two daggers.

[TheLastShamurai]

My favorites would be handaxes, katars or morning stars.

[Stanley Burrell]

Big katar in right hand with a lightweight sai in your offhand can be pretty brutal if you know what you're doing and what to hunt. Can't pull it off on my Paladin because I picked up too much trading to OHE, but that's a quick, efficient killer. The best thing is that the sai acts like a main gauche in your offhand.

If you've got both a permanently flaring katar and sai, QSTRIKE the snot out of everything and watch the fireworks.

[Gnomad]

If you've got both a permanently flaring katar and sai, QSTRIKE the snot out of everything and watch the fireworks.Katar needs her to keep edged, though.

My buddy's rogue was a TWC Sai hybrid, they're great ambushing weapons b/c they puncture, but don't hit all that hard.

[Stanley Burrell]

Katar needs her to keep edged, though.


I picked up too much trading to OHE

BULLSHIT!

[Donquix]

Katar needs her to keep edged, though.

My buddy's rogue was a TWC Sai hybrid, they're great ambushing weapons b/c they puncture, but don't hit all that hard.

They work fine on MOST things for mstriking too, just have to be a little more selective on where you hunt. Because of the puncture you get those nice low rank knockdowns, and the mstrike cooldown is crazy short.

if i was doing a TWC user to focus more on effectiveness rather than "lol i'm like raph from TMNT!" i'd use katars or shortswords as my main weapons with a nice set of handaxes for the heavy armor types. if you're going edged, otherwise it'd be maces/morningstars. 2 morning stars are slow as hell but you're a meatgrinder.

I prefer to go with two of the same weapon mainly rather than a gauche/sai (just for defense) so you get double the benefit from wspec, i just never thought the extra defense alone from the gauche/sai is enough to warrant using it.

Didn't mention maneuvers...wspec, and parry mastery are awesome and you double dip from both which is nice. A knockdown of choice can be useful, twin hammerfists is great for brawlers and i hamstring for edged.

If you go the small weapon route, crowd press can be amazing against caster mobs. With my sais it absolutely guts the targets ranged and bolt casting AS, and gives them a "partial immobilization", which prevents them from standing. Handy if you're up against something that your small weapons are weak against as i would knock them down with hammerfists, press, and then i could just attack without worrying about them standing up. in addition to the AS/DS benefits for using 2 second weapons.

if i remember correctly you need 3 second or less weapons to see real benefit from crowd press.

[Gnomad]

A knockdown of choice can be useful, twin hammerfists is great for brawlers

I forgot to ask, do TWC brawlers get both flares activating with hammerfist?

[Silvanostar]

dual morningstars or gtfo!

[Caiylania]

Updated with my stats.

[Bumpur]

From personal experience, katars are the way to go. Example on critter wearing full plate:

[Upper Krag Slopes]
A haphazard pile of boulders sits here, yet it doesn't look as if the area is being cleared. Higher up the incline, a crushed helmet is wedged between two rocks, apparently cast aside because of its battered condition. You also see a krag dweller.
Obvious paths: southeast, southwest, west, northwest
>cman surge
You focus deep within yourself, searching for untapped sources of strength.
You feel a fair amount stronger.
>stance defensive
>
You feel recovered from your whirlwind flurry of strikes.
>
You are now in a defensive stance.
>stance defensive
You are now in a defensive stance.
>
A krag dweller pounds at you with its fist!
You skillfully interpose your katar between yourself and the incoming strike, deflecting it harmlessly to the side!
>stance offensive
You are now in an offensive stance.
>ms dwe
You concentrate intently, focusing all your energies.
You explode into a fury of strikes and ripostes, moving with a singular purpose and will!
You punch with a double-bladed vultite katar at a krag dweller!
The krag dweller barely dodges the attack!
You punch with a frosty blue rhimar katar at a krag dweller!
AS: +398 vs DS: +203 with AvD: +22 + d100 roll: +41 = +258
... and hit for 37 points of damage!
Strike pierces thigh!
The krag dweller is knocked to the ground!
You punch with a double-bladed vultite katar at a krag dweller!
AS: +408 vs DS: +144 with AvD: +22 + d100 roll: +86 = +372
... and hit for 68 points of damage!
Slash to the krag dweller's lower back!

** Your vultite katar flares with a burst of flame! **

The heat wafts over the krag dweller with little effect.
You punch with a frosty blue rhimar katar at a krag dweller!
AS: +398 vs DS: +134 with AvD: +22 + d100 roll: +52 = +338
... and hit for 52 points of damage!
Nice puncture to the abdomen, just missed vital organs!
You punch with a double-bladed vultite katar at a krag dweller!
AS: +408 vs DS: +134 with AvD: +22 + d100 roll: +30 = +326
... and hit for 55 points of damage!
Loud *crack* as the krag dweller's sternum breaks!
You punch with a frosty blue rhimar katar at a krag dweller!
AS: +398 vs DS: +124 with AvD: +22 + d100 roll: +49 = +345
... and hit for 53 points of damage!
Banged the krag dweller's right shin.
That'll raise a good welt.
You punch with a double-bladed vultite katar at a krag dweller!
AS: +408 vs DS: +124 with AvD: +22 + d100 roll: +79 = +385
... and hit for 60 points of damage!
Slash to the krag dweller's chest!
That heart's not broken, it's only scratched.
You punch with a frosty blue rhimar katar at a krag dweller!
AS: +398 vs DS: +113 with AvD: +22 + d100 roll: +15 = +322
... and hit for 52 points of damage!
Well aimed shot, punctures calf!

** Your rhimar katar glows intensely with a cold blue light! **

The intense cold contacts the krag dweller's hot skin with a sharp hiss!

Your series of strikes and ripostes leaves you winded and out of position.
Roundtime: 5 sec.
R>
The krag dweller cries out in agony as its skin shatters!
... 40 points of damage!
Good blow to chest!

[You have 26 kills remaining.]
The krag dweller collapses into a pile of rubble.

I don't think dual wielding blunt weapons works at the upper end levels. I feel that having a way to knock down a monster using a CMAN is important, and should supplement open ambush. With edged weapons, you can use hamstring. With katars, you can use twin hammerfist (which is better than hamstring), in addition to hamstring as a backup. Tackle sucks. Sais suck.

[Caiylania]

Are rapiers any good for dual wielding? Should I max dodge? (IE replace shield training with more dodge?)

[Caiylania]

BTW, which I had known more about stats. My inf sucks but warcries *mostly* work for me.

Advantages for MIU vs AS? Working on it now so may wing it but if anyone is around feel free to speak up.

I can fix it in a year anyway :D

[Stunseed]

This is how my twin morning star warrior looks like just before 60.

Auvreaian (at level 59), your current skill bonuses and ranks (including all modifiers) are:
Skill Name | Current Current
| Bonus Ranks
Two Weapon Combat..................| 225 125
Armor Use..........................| 240 140
Combat Maneuvers...................| 220 120
Blunt Weapons......................| 220 120
Brawling...........................| 11 2
Multi Opponent Combat..............| 155 55
Physical Fitness...................| 251 151
Dodging............................| 220 120
Harness Power......................| 105 25
Spirit Mana Control................| 50 10
Perception.........................| 159 59
Climbing...........................| 90 20
Swimming...........................| 97 22
Trading............................| 9 1

Anything that looks off is an enhansive.

[Stanley Burrell]

Master WSPEC for both a katar and a sai. Master Parrying. Master Quickstrike/Forfeit those CM points for MoC. WTRICK SPERF 5.

Depending on your armor, go for the new Cunning Defense or Evasion Mastery.

[Caiylania]

WTF. I just spent forever doing my goals in the pop up window, clicked apply changes and nothing changed and my fixskills timer just reset anyway. Seriously??

[Stanley Burrell]

WTF. I just spent forever doing my goals in the pop up window, clicked apply changes and nothing changed and my fixskills timer just reset anyway. Seriously??

What do you mean, Caiy?

[Caiylania]

All my skills are the exact same. I applied the changes, did fixskills confirm and nothing. Timer reset to a year and my skills are what they were before.

[Caiylania]

To use FIXSKILLS, you must type FIXSKILL CONFIRM within the next 30 seconds.

*** No additional options will be granted outside of normal parameters for misuse. ***

** Make sure your skills are set how you want them with GOALS before using FIXSKILLS CONFIRM **


>fixskills confirm
Setting all skills to match current goals... COMPLETE!


Caiylania (at level 35), your current skill bonuses and ranks (including all modifiers) are:
Skill Name | Current Current
| Bonus Ranks
Armor Use..........................| 203 103
Shield Use.........................| 174 74
Combat Maneuvers...................| 174 74
Edged Weapons......................| 174 74
Multi Opponent Combat..............| 130 35
Physical Fitness...................| 174 74
Dodging............................| 138 39
Arcane Symbols.....................| 30 6
Magic Item Use.....................| 96 22
Survival...........................| 70 15
Perception.........................| 166 66
Climbing...........................| 90 20
Swimming...........................| 70 15
First Aid..........................| 105 25
Pickpocketing......................| 30 6
(Use SKILLS BASE to display unmodified ranks and goals)

335 days remain until the annual FIXSKILLS is to be granted, on 05/20/2011.

[Stanley Burrell]

All my skills are the exact same. I applied the changes, did fixskills confirm and nothing. Timer reset to a year and my skills are what they were before.

REPORT first, ASSIST second.

[Caiylania]

REPORT first, ASSIST second.

Both already done, and not one GM/Host on.

[Stanley Burrell]

Both already done, and not one GM/Host on.

>REPORT Anyone on the backchannels able to help me with a FIXSKILLS bug that, for whatever reason, just completely f'd up my character? Thanks..?

[Caiylania]

I worded it nicer than that but yah.

[Caiylania]

I've been referred to a SGM. Wish me luck.

[Stunseed]

Explain you've just come back from a multi-year hiatus. They want your money.

[Caiylania]

The GM I spoke with said there was no history of me having a fix skill and referred me to an SGM since she can't fix that herself. They are being pretty cool about it.

[Caiylania]

They fixed me up! New skills:


Caiylania (at level 35), your current skill bonuses and ranks (including all modifiers) are:
Skill Name | Current Current
| Bonus Ranks
Two Weapon Combat..................| 170 70
Armor Use..........................| 205 105
Combat Maneuvers...................| 170 70
Edged Weapons......................| 170 70
Multi Opponent Combat..............| 130 35
Physical Fitness...................| 170 70
Dodging............................| 170 70
Magic Item Use.....................| 50 10
Survival...........................| 50 10
Perception.........................| 130 35
Climbing...........................| 50 10
Swimming...........................| 25 5


I will have to up my MoC when I'm done armor training. Decided to concentrate on dodge for now. I'm happy with my number of hits :)

[Gladrelton Enetho]

Actually I train in keeping Twohanded, Shield use, armor use, edged weapon, two weapon combat,and brawling, I 2x twohanded, shield use, edged weapon, and two weapon combat, even Combat manuevers i 3x armor use and 2x brawling, Multi opponent combat I 1.5x it. and for TP I 2x that. I'm doing great with my warrior. I wear a heavy armor, if I use like a big behind Battle axe I'll have like 9rt each attack, if I use both short swords I'll get 5rts.I'm training brawling young so I won't have to be behind when I get voln fu and I have to take away some skills to train in brawling

[Gladrelton Enetho]

After all we warriors do train in varity of different weapon skills right? lol

[Caiylania]

How do you have the points for all that? I can barely train the basics!

[Gladrelton Enetho]

Well, I trained in them when I young, and started training those, I get lots of points because of my discipline and logic.

[Caiylania]

I'm not good with all the mechanics. Had no idea those gave more Training points.

[Gladrelton Enetho]

yeah,at least raise discipline to 70 or 80 or 85 or 75.
Logic at least 85-90.

this is my stats:
Name: Gladrelten Race: Giantman Profession: Warrior (shown as: Guard)
Gender: Male
Normal (Bonus) ... Enhanced (Bonus)
Strength (STR): 93 (36) ... 93 (36)
Constitution (CON): 92 (31) ... 92 (31)
Dexterity (DEX): 82 (11) ... 82 (11)
Agility (AGI): 72 (6) ... 72 (6)
Discipline (DIS): 72 (11) ... 72 (11)
Aura (AUR): 26 (-17) ... 26 (-17)
Logic (LOG): 80 (10) ... 80 (10)
Intuition (INT): 72 (11) ... 72 (11)
Wisdom (WIS): 71 (10) ... 71 (10)
Influence (INF): 26 (-7) ... 26 (-7)
Lol, yeah my logic is on 80

[Gladrelton Enetho]

ah, I see yer stats are good. lol