Bugs invading the East Tower

[TheEschaton]

Aren't you not allowed to have names that could conflict with monster names?

>l kiramon
You see Kiramon Havion the Rogue.
He appears to be an Elf.
He appears to be very young. He has stormy grey eyes and tanned skin. He has long, straight steel grey hair.
He is in good shape.
He is holding a badly damaged monir coffer in his right hand.
He is wearing some double leather, some padded black leather boots upon which is sewn a black sword with a silver edge, an ora-bound rolaren shield, a heavy black back sheath, a pearl trimmed silk shoulder pouch, a midnight black cloak, a lead ring, a twisting cobra earcuff, a dark cotton sack, a pearly white thigh-sheath, some soft grey thrak hide gloves, a gold ring, and a glaes spider charm.

[Edaarin]

He has a last name, so he's been around for at least a year and change. Odd. Never noticed.

[Galleazzo]

Man, I see a kiramon walk into the Tower, I'm gonna pwn his ass.

[LordSagan]

I'd love to run into him in Darkstone...

/evilgrin

[Hulkein]

>s[Upper Trollfang]
The trail winds along the bottom of a series of low hills. A wall of thick underbrush lines the trail, effectively preventing you from wandering far from the worn track. You also see a clear topaz, a short sword, a leather helm, a wooden shield and some full leather.
Also here: Kiramon
Obvious paths: north, southeast, west
>l kir
You see Kiramon Havion the Rogue.
He appears to be an Elf.
He appears to be very young. He has stormy grey eyes and tanned skin. He has long, straight steel grey hair.
He is in good shape.
He is holding a dwarven forged vultite broadsword in his right hand and an ora-bound rolaren shield in his left hand.
He is wearing a heavy black back sheath, a pearl trimmed silk shoulder pouch, some double leather, a midnight black cloak, some red silk boots, a lead ring, a twisting cobra earcuff, a dark cotton sack, a pearly white thigh-sheath, some soft grey thrak hide gloves, a gold ring, and a glaes spider charm.
>stance offYou are now in an offensive stance.
>cman headbutt kira
[Roll result: 172 Penalties: 50]
You charge towards Kiramon and attempt to headbutt him!
You slam your head into Kiramon!
Kiramon's double leather absorbs part of the blow!
... 25 points of damage!
Solid strike caves Kiramon's skull in, resulting in instant death!

* Kiramon drops dead at your feet!

Roundtime: 5 sec.
> * Alas, poor Kiramon. I knew him, Horatio.

[Bobmuhthol]

HAHAHA

[crazymage]

Why be an ass and kill him ? You looked and saw him.

[LordSagan]

He probably didn't mean to kill him, just head butt him and stun him.

It was funny, though.

[Edaarin]

I wonder if garrote and headbutt stay as effective as they currently are...

[Galleazzo]

Enjoy your warning, Hulk!

[Hulkein]

I didn't get so much as a SEND... GMs don't do anything anymore, you do realize they just want money, right? You have to go to the EXTREME to get even a warning, let alone a lockout.

[DeV]

Originally posted by Hulkein
I didn't get so much as a SEND... GMs don't do anything anymore, you do realize they just want money, right? You have to go to the EXTREME to get even a warning, let alone a lockout. So, did you just fuck with him because of his name, or was he an ass to you or something? Where's the rest of that log...

[Hulkein]

No, simply because of his name. Obviously wasn't expecting a head crit, but can't say I wasn't amused.

[Vesi]

Originally posted by Hulkein
>s[Upper Trollfang]
The trail winds along the bottom of a series of low hills. A wall of thick underbrush lines the trail, effectively preventing you from wandering far from the worn track. You also see a clear topaz, a short sword, a leather helm, a wooden shield and some full leather.
Also here: Kiramon
Obvious paths: north, southeast, west
>l kir
You see Kiramon Havion the Rogue.
He appears to be an Elf.
He appears to be very young. He has stormy grey eyes and tanned skin. He has long, straight steel grey hair.
He is in good shape.
He is holding a dwarven forged vultite broadsword in his right hand and an ora-bound rolaren shield in his left hand.
He is wearing a heavy black back sheath, a pearl trimmed silk shoulder pouch, some double leather, a midnight black cloak, some red silk boots, a lead ring, a twisting cobra earcuff, a dark cotton sack, a pearly white thigh-sheath, some soft grey thrak hide gloves, a gold ring, and a glaes spider charm.
>stance offYou are now in an offensive stance.
>cman headbutt kira
[Roll result: 172 Penalties: 50]
You charge towards Kiramon and attempt to headbutt him!
You slam your head into Kiramon!
Kiramon's double leather absorbs part of the blow!
... 25 points of damage!
Solid strike caves Kiramon's skull in, resulting in instant death!

* Kiramon drops dead at your feet!

Roundtime: 5 sec.
> * Alas, poor Kiramon. I knew him, Horatio.

Did he do something to you? If not, why kill him? Because of his name? Please... :rolleyes:

Vesi

[Some Rogue]

Originally posted by Vesi

Did he do something to you? If not, why kill him? Because of his name? Please... :rolleyes:

Vesi

Like Hulkein ever needed reasons to kill people before?

[Hulkein]

I have reasons.. always. Having a bad name is a reason. Petty, yes, but it's a reason. :shrug: I don't really kill people off the boulder anymore, just on rare occasion like this one.

[Vesi]

I have a character that I made a few years ago whose name is Laetoli. Never really played her and now she's a locker character, but how much you want to bet people would think I was just messing with a variation of Aelotoli? She does have a last name, but how many people would take the time to notice that? Maybe I'll reroll her into Laetoli the Aelotoli. (well... I won't but sounds sort of funny)

Then, there was another time I had a character named Awnyn. Had seen it in a book on druids or something. I had never heard of Anwyn Castle in game. I deleted her when I found out about the Castle. I would have been really upset if someone had killed me. (and mine was done in total innocence)

I don't know what Kiramon's reasons were to have picked that name, but it is possible a) He just make a mistake. b) Maybe his family is known for killing Kiramon. c) He just doesn't care. d) None of the above.

Vesi

Vesi

[Vesi]

Originally posted by Hulkein
I have reasons.. always. Having a bad name is a reason. Petty, yes, but it's a reason. :shrug: I don't really kill people off the boulder anymore, just on rare occasion like this one.

Having a bad name is no reason to kill someone.

Vesi

Edited to not be so mean.

[Edited on 4-2-2004 by Vesi]

[Some Rogue]

Originally posted by Hulkein
I have reasons.. always. Having a bad name is a reason. Petty, yes, but it's a reason. :shrug: I don't really kill people off the boulder anymore, just on rare occasion like this one.

Even if you have to make up the reason....

Yeah, you killed one of my little ones for no reason, so I would think I'd know.

[Fengus]

Originally posted by Hulkein


Yeah the tough guy, no doubt hangs around low level areas to bully youngsters. What happened this time? Feel a bit nervous?



You see Hulkein Sabrehaven the Soldier.
He appears to be a Giant.
He appears to have come of age and very tall. He has piercing blue eyes and fair skin. He has short, thick auburn hair. He has a clean-shaven face and broad shoulders.
He is in good shape.
He is wearing a visored helm, a gold ring, a crystal amulet, some dark blue militia uniform pants, a gold-buttoned militia uniform jacket, a miner's pack, some blue military boots, a rhimar-plated ankle sheath, a rhimar studded blade harness, and a polished steel plated breastplate.

Hulkein says, "Just testin' something."

You quietly whisper to Hulkein, "Do you have a problem?"

Hulkein gathers the remaining coins.
Hulkein asks, "Who are you?"

You quietly whisper to Hulkein, "Who are you is the question? Do you enjoy bullying?"

Hulkein says, "I'm not bullying anything you clown."

Hulkein says, "Come out so I can whisper to you."

Hulkein searches around for a moment.
Hulkein searches around for a moment.
Hulkein searches around for a moment.

You quietly whisper to Hulkein, "What were you doing to Hast, and why?"

Hulkein says, "I'm not speaking to you in the open."

Hulkein says, "So either come out or go back to what you were doing."

You quietly whisper to Hulkein, "You only have that option, so speak."
Hulkein says, "No."
Hulkein waves.
Hulkein just left.



HAHAHA! Gud RP!

I'm just testing something, har har.

[Mint]

Fengus, what if he wanted to say something OOC about his actions? You didnt allow that by remaining hidden. Good for him for not breaking character if that was the case.

Not that headbutting strangers is okay IMO but what you did was rather out of line as well.

edited to ask: And were you present in game when he did the headbutt? If not how would you have RP'd knowing about it in game? You heard about it here? Way to go...


[Edited on 4-3-2004 by Mint]

[Iriscience]

That headbutt was fuckin nice Hulkein

word

[Jonty]

Originally posted by Mint
Fengus, what if he wanted to say something OOC about his actions? You didnt allow that by remaining hidden. Good for him for not breaking character if that was the case.

Who cares if he had something OOC to say? It's not needed.


edited to ask: And were you present in game when he did the headbutt? If not how would you have RP'd knowing about it in game? You heard about it here? Way to go...

...

You quietly whisper to Hulkein, "What were you doing to Hast, and why?"

Could be wrong... but, it looks like he was asking about Hast, not Kiramon.

[Fengus]

Originally posted by Mint
Fengus, what if he wanted to say something OOC about his actions? You didnt allow that by remaining hidden. Good for him for not breaking character if that was the case.

Not that headbutting strangers is okay IMO but what you did was rather out of line as well.

edited to ask: And were you present in game when he did the headbutt? If not how would you have RP'd knowing about it in game? You heard about it here? Way to go...


RP my ass thats just his crutch. This incident was a completely different headbutt. There was no one else in the room but me and him. I can't on one hand see any RP reason for his actions and at the same time see a need for OOC communication. If what he did was OOC then what difference talking about it outloud, and if it was RP then what difference talking about it out loud.

I make no bones about staying IC when the actions I am responding to is OOC, how bout you?

The point of this story is that the tough guy runs when he is unsure wether he can bully.

[Hulkein]

Uh, I DID want to talk out of character, I thought I made that about as obvious as possible without saying COME OUT SO I CAN WHISPER TO YOU ABOUT OUT OF CONTEXT STUFF.

You can kill me if you want, I'll send you a few PMs next time I'm logged on as Hulkein. You're the fucking idiot who logged off Haste (your other character) only to get on Fengus and then ask questions from the hiding. Not to mention right after you logged off is when I had herbs to give you.

Edit - BTW, I logged off because I needed to leave the game, not because I was afraid of Fengus.

[Edited on 4-3-2004 by Hulkein]

[Soulpieced]

So I get to walk around and kill whomever I want because I don't like their name? Awesome.

[HarmNone]

Sure, Soulpie! That's what the game is all about, don'cha know? If you do not like it, kill it. If you can, try to think of a roleplaying reason for doing so, just to make it look good. Otherwise, just kill it. :rolleyes:

HarmNone

[Hulkein]

I headbutted him once, without knowing you could even headcrit someone with it.

[Miss X]

Gemstone is about RP Hulkein. Explain to me how its ok to kill someone because you don't like their name. Had he introduced himself to you? If not then how did you even know his name, RP wise? I think you're a good guy in general, from your posts here, but honestly that was just out of line.

[Artha]

RP aside, if you name your character Kiramon, you deserve to be killed as often as possible.

[Hulkein]

I agree, it was out of line, but I don't make it a habit of going around killing people for their names. I had just gotten the headbutt skill, saw a guy named KIRAMON in the wilds, so I headbutted him. Had I seen him a week down the road I wouldn't have, it was a new skill and I was clowning around. But yes, it was out of line, I still found it funny though. :shrug:

[LordSagan]

People are far too uptight hiding behind this "RP" BS....

[Nieninque]

Originally posted by Hulkein
I headbutted him once, without knowing you could even headcrit someone with it.

And did you do it after it was first posted on the boards about his name? Because that would be lame, taking something from here and using it In game.

[Hulkein]

No, I did it before it was posted.

Edited to add - This thread was made on April 2nd... I did it on April 1st, notice the April Fools day death message. I don't do things like that in hopes of fitting in or anything lame like that.

[Edited on 4-3-2004 by Hulkein]

[Miss X]

Originally posted by LordSagan
People are far too uptight hiding behind this "RP" BS....

Yeah, Anyone would think GS is a roleplaying game..... :rolleyes:

[GSLeloo]

Why are people so agaisnt him killing that guy? Oh and you whispered to him in the shadows so that made you cool? ooh scary.

Guess what that name is gay because it's the name of a creature IG and if you want to try and say maybe he had the name before the creature came out, go and check that before you try it because I highly doubt it. I've made fun of people because of their shitty names before, sometimes people just go too damn far.

[Miss X]

Wow Leloo, that sounds very unlike you. Also, how about coming up with an insult that isnt as pathetic as saying its "gay?"

[HarmNone]

Making fun of someone's name is very different than killing them for having the name, Leloo. If the name is acceptable to those who run the game, so be it. Since the guy is running around with that name, I guess the GMs have decided it does not break the rules. Hopefully, he will be smart enough not to try to hunt Kiramon.

I may not like the name (I don't.), but that does not give me cause to kill the person for daring to displease me. Not by a long shot.:no:

HarmNone

[HarmNone]

Originally posted by Miss X
Wow Leloo, that sounds very unlike you. Also, how about coming up with an insult that isnt as pathetic as saying its "gay?"

Heh. Yeah, I have to agree. Does not sound like the regular Leloo at all, does it?
;)

HarmNone

[Artha]

Not necessarily, HN. If the person's over level 5, GMs can't make them rename.

[Miss X]

I'd like to know how he even got to level 5 without being reported. GM's must have been slacking off that week. ;)

[Jonty]

Originally posted by GSLeloo
Why are people so agaisnt him killing that guy?

Because killing him because the player doesn't like the name is OOC.

[Edited on 4-4-2004 by Jonty]

[Hulkein]

How? Maybe me knowing his name without talking to him is OOC, but that's how the game is. Just because something breaks rules doesn't mean it's OOC.

Hulkein doesn't like his name, Hulkein headbutted him. If I walked around with the name NAZI or something in real life, I'm sure there's a GOOD chance someone would headbutt me at some point in life, and probably on multiple occasions. For example purposes - Hulkein hates Kiramon, they killed his family, so he headbutted him.

[Edited on 4-4-2004 by Hulkein]

[Jonty]

Um, because if you character did not hear his name, he'd have no way of knowing it....

Edited: Also, look at what I wrote. I said killing someone just because the player doesn't like their name is OOC. If your character doesn't like their name, fine. But it's still OOC if he did not hear it.

[Edited on 4-4-2004 by Jonty]

[Edited on 4-4-2004 by Jonty]

[Hulkein]

Originally posted by Hulkein
Maybe me knowing his name without talking to him is OOC, but that's how the game is. Just because something breaks rules doesn't mean it's OOC.

I already addressed that, so I guess I'll re-hash it.

That is an inherent part of the game. Not to mention I could just roleplay out that I've heard his name while others were addressing him.

It's not OOC, espicially not in this games standards.

[Jonty]

Originally posted by Hulkein


I already addressed that, so I guess I'll re-hash it.

That is an inherent part of the game.

Nope, sorry. That information is meant for the players, not the characters. Same as titles, experience, mana points, health points, AS, DS, CS, TD, etc. They're all meant for the player to see, not the characters.



Not to mention I could just roleplay out that I've heard his name while others were addressing him.

Sure you could have. You could also RP that your character is psychic.... But you didn't.

[Hulkein]

Ya can reach as far as you want, but it's not OOC. It's just immature. It's not OOC to say 'hey <name>' to someone you've just met, under Gemstone's rules. Maybe a different game, yes, but not this one.

[Jonty]

Originally posted by Hulkein
Ya can reach as far as you want, but it's not OOC. It's just immature. It's not OOC to say 'hey <name>' to someone you've just met, under Gemstone's rules. Maybe a different game, yes, but not this one.

It may not be against any rules... but it doesn't make any sense to automatically know their name.

[HarmNone]

Originally posted by Hulkein
Ya can reach as far as you want, but it's not OOC. It's just immature. It's not OOC to say 'hey <name>' to someone you've just met, under Gemstone's rules. Maybe a different game, yes, but not this one.

Yes, Hulkein, it is OOC in any roleplaying game. While GemStone may tolerate OOC behavior more than another game might (roleplay encouraged rather than roleplay required), that does not make the behavior any less Out Of Character.

HarmNone with another dose of logic

[Hulkein]

And as for you saying that I didn't roleplay that I heard his name in conversation <<Sure you could have. You could also RP that your character is psychic.... But you didn't.>>

How is that? I've never said I didn't in the game, no one asked me how I knew his name in the game, so if someone does, THEN will be the time I roleplay to say I heard his name in a previous conversation or something. What, am I supposed to kill him and immediately say 'I HEARD YOUR NAME IN A CONVO IN TOWN SORRY FOR DYING BYE.' So no, HarmNone, it isn't OOC. Keep the doses of logic to yourself.

[Edited on 4-4-2004 by Hulkein]

[HarmNone]

Originally posted by Artha
Not necessarily, HN. If the person's over level 5, GMs can't make them rename.

Granted, Artha. However, even if the name sneaked by while nobody was looking, it is the character's name and has been accepted as such by the PTB, however reluctantly. Killing a player because one does not like his name is simply childish, in my opinion.

HarmNone

[Nakiro]

Originally posted by Hulkein
How? Maybe me knowing his name without talking to him is OOC, but that's how the game is.

[Edited on 4-4-2004 by Hulkein]

No it isn't. The information of a character's name as you described as obtaining it is provided to the player, not the character.

Playing a roleplaying game using information provided to the player as information provided to the character isnt "just how the game is" meant to be played.

Killing that guy was just OOC from what info you presented.

I'd rather play gemstone with someone who was IC and had a retarded name than someone who had a somewhat less retarded name and was OOC.

[Nakiro]

Originally posted by Hulkein
It's not OOC to say 'hey <name>' to someone you've just met, under Gemstone's rules. Maybe a different game, yes, but not this one.

I think it is for sure.

How much harder is it to talk to someone using say ::nak Hey more than say Hey Nakiro ?

EDIT: 'cause I can't spell.

[Edited on 4-4-2004 by Nakiro]

[Hulkein]

Ok, forget I said it isn't OOC, forget defending a fault that 90% of the game makes.

HAD (or when it happens) it will go like this.

Salamander says, "Hulkein, how did you know his name to kill him?"

Hulkein says, "I was in town square while he was having a conversation with someone, I heard it then."

At that point, it will be IC. In an attempt to stay in character I shouldn't be persecuted for something that has yet to happen. Fact is, none of you IN GAME know how I knew his name. If you ever do address me about it IN GAME, you will get a roleplayed out encounter.

The fact that you can say 'I didn't' Jonty, when it has never even gotten to that point, is presumptious and frankly impossible.

[Nakiro]

Originally posted by Hulkein
Ok, forget I said it isn't OOC, forget defending a fault that 90% of the game makes.


Just because everyone does it doesn't mean it is right...

As for your IC justification, that is all well and good. Just try to make it be true for when you kill someone next time because they have a retarded name.

[Jonty]

Originally posted by Hulkein
The fact that you can say 'I didn't' Jonty, when it has never even gotten to that point, is presumptious and frankly impossible.

Yes, it is presumptious. But you still haven't stated that your character did actually hear his name in game. Whether he did or did not, I can't know for sure. But I still think he did not.

[HarmNone]

So, what you are saying, Hulkein, is that your character could hear another character referred to, by name, as "Kiramon", and would then go out and kill him based on his NAME? Is your character played as a sociopath, or just a blithering idiot?

HarmNone gets tired of defensive stories made up to cover childish behaviors

[Hulkein]

HarmNone, I am not saying it wasn't childish, don't fucking make things up. IT IS IMMATURE. Let's get that out of the way. Thanks.

Now, onto the point that is at hand, which you so effectively skewed to make your argument look better, YES Hulkein is the type of person who will HEADBUTT (A generally NON-LETHAL manuever) someone who has a name that angers him.

[HarmNone]

Originally posted by Hulkein
HarmNone, I am not saying it wasn't childish, don't fucking make things up. IT IS IMMATURE. Let's get that out of the way. Thanks.

Now, onto the point that is at hand, which you so effectively skewed to make your argument look better, YES Hulkein is the type of person who will HEADBUTT (A generally NON-LETHAL manuever) someone who has a name that angers him.

Heh. What, exactly, did I make up, Hulkein? All I did was repeat what you had said. Looks to several of us as though it is YOU who is skewing things to make yourself look better.

Since it seems like several people here agree with regard to what happened, is it just faintly possible that they might be right and YOU might be out of line? Maybe? Could be? Never happen?

HarmNone, done with this

[Edited on 4-4-2004 by HarmNone]

[Hulkein]

Harmnone
HarmNone gets tired of defensive stories made up to cover childish behaviors
That's what you made up. I never said it wasn't childish. I put the story there to show it wasn't OOC, not to show it wasn't childish.


If you disagree with this, ----

Salamander says, "Hulkein, how did you know his name to kill him?"

Hulkein says, "I was in town square while he was having a conversation with someone, I heard it then."

At that point, it will be IC. In an attempt to stay in character I shouldn't be persecuted for something that has yet to happen. Fact is, none of you IN GAME know how I knew his name. If you ever do address me about it IN GAME, you will get a roleplayed out encounter.
------

Then please tell me how so? Seems to me your only input to this was 'would Hulkein headbutt someone because they have a bad name?' And the answer is yes. Anything else?

[Edited on 4-4-2004 by Hulkein]

[FinisWolf]

Originally posted by Miss X
I'd like to know how he even got to level 5 without being reported. GM's must have been slacking off that week. ;)

The GM's have been slacking forever...

Finiswolf

[TheEschaton]

It is OOC to act without knowing his name. Why do you think I posted it here, instead of taking off his limbs? He was sitting in East Tower, it woulda been easy.

And, furthermore, I would never use the excuse of "Oh, I heard his name when he was talking to someone else" unless my character actually HAD heard it. Usually, my character would make a snide comment, too, before taking his limbs. The reason I make the rule that I wouldn't use that excuse unless it actually happened, is because I once did that, I said, "Hey, Soandso..." and the guy looked at me, and said, "Are you talking to me?" and I said, "Uhhhhhhhh....yeah, I heard you tell your name to someone else." and he said, "Funny, I'm an orphan and didn't know my name, let alone tell anyone it."

IE, I had forced something on his RP. Big no no.

-TheE-

[Sean]

TheE just says that because one of his mains has a name thats just as bad.

[Hulkein]

I understand that point E.. I have seen him in town before and in ALL likelihood HAVE heard his name said outloud, it's just the way the game is designed I really had no reason to look for it, and I wouldn't have been surprised to see someone being addressed like that seeing as I have already seen his name in the room list. See what I mean? Only reason I did anything to him was because I saw him outside of town, which was a first, and I had just gotten headbutt, heh.

I can say with almost certainty I have heard his name said outloud.

Edited for typo.


[Edited on 4-4-2004 by Hulkein]

[TheEschaton]

Tijay, people either love my name for putting a creative twist on something that is definately OOG, or hate it because they can't stand the similarity to the OOG reference.

-TheE-

[Sean]

Originally posted by TheEschaton
Tijay, people either love my name for putting a creative twist on something that is definately OOG, or hate it because they can't stand the similarity to the OOG reference.

-TheE-

Was just giving you a hard time. I don't care either way. I don't judge you based on your name.

[TheEschaton]

Heh, no problem. I'd be first to admit my main's character is pushing the name limit.

-TheE-

[Fengus]

Originally posted by Hulkein
...COME OUT SO I CAN WHISPER TO YOU ABOUT OUT OF CONTEXT STUFF.


You enter a room see a person that has never seen you in-game nor spoken to you, and you headbutt them, twice, stunning them.

That's not RP, thats nothing but abusive behavior and if you think *I* would give you the slightest chance to attack or headbutt me you are mistaken.

And while there wasn't anyone around when you were so concerned about OOC speech, there were quite a few people around when you appeared and did your "I am a retarded bull" routine.


Anyway you go to a known hunting ground rest area where you know the general character level that hunts there. That is the actions of a bully, nothing more, nothing less, Drop the RP act, no one cares, and I doubt anyone believes it anyway.

Now, what people do believe is that you are a pretty dumb individual.

BTW OOC is Out Of Character, dummy.






Edit - BTW, I logged off because I needed to leave the game, not because I was afraid of Fengus.


Yeah ya did, only to come back 5 minutes later. To copy the comic styling of Tayre, "You lose."



Now I gave you the benefit of the doubt since no one was killed in that incident, and I hadn't gotten the full story from Hast yet. But now I know you are merely an abusive person, so that mistake won't be made in the future.

[Hulkein]

That post has headbutt written all over it.

[Edaarin]

I'd randomly go around garroting people, but wires break too easily.

[HouseofElves]

Originally posted by Edaarin
I'd randomly go around garroting people, but wires break too easily.

That's hot. ;)

[J-Tech]

and a glaes spider charm


He is wearing a spider charm, the ones you got when you switched from AOL to web, could he have been around before kiramon were around possibly? I dont remember when kiramon came into the game.

J.T.