Warmage Combat Maneuvers

[Tilnam]

Right now my warmage is training them at .75x per level. I am curious, should I tone these down a bit or stop training at any time? Are the TPs really worth the small boost in AS?

Also, what should I be training in? There doesn't seem to be much usefulness for these to a wizard. The spells do a much better job than the maneuvers. Should I keep training them for defensive purposes? (I assume by training CM you get +defense to cm based attacks???) I heard disarm was good, just for the defense purpose of it.

[kookiegod]

Right now my warmage is training them at .75x per level. I am curious, should I tone these down a bit or stop training at any time? Are the TPs really worth the small boost in AS?

Also, what should I be training in? There doesn't seem to be much usefulness for these to a wizard. The spells do a much better job than the maneuvers. Should I keep training them for defensive purposes? (I assume by training CM you get +defense to cm based attacks???) I heard disarm was good, just for the defense purpose of it.

Warmages live by speed and AS.

Yes for defensive purposes, same as a ranger does really.

You could not train in them and get more spells or magical skills, but defeats being a warmage then.

[TheLastShamurai]

I say go for mastering Cdef and Disarm.

[Tilnam]

Thanks for the advice. I'll continue training them as it sounds like they are very beneficial to a warmage.

[Kitsun]

When I ran the numbers once, even getting like Earth lore doesn't provide the bang for buck that CM does in terms of AS.

I'd also consider learning Side by Side depending on how much you group.

[caelric]

Train in CDEF until you get it to at level 4, then consider training a couple levels in disarm, purely for defense against disarm. Get the 5th rank of CDEF after you get maybe 3 ranks of Disarm.

You should be well protected against CMANS after that.

It will cost you 50 cman pts to master cunning defense (4/6/8/10/12); Disarm is more expensive at (4/8/12/16/20) Best bang for your points at cap would be mastery of cdef for 50 pts, 3 ranks in disarm for 24 pts, and 28 pts left over (102 total ranks) to spend on a couple of ranks in other manuevers that bother you, purely as a defensive measure

[AnticorRifling]

I don't know what CDEF is but I used Disarm and Feint as my CMANS of choice back when I was playing. My knowledge might be outdated though.

[TheLastShamurai]

I don't know what CDEF is but I used Disarm and Feint as my CMANS of choice back when I was playing. My knowledge might be outdated though.


Skill Name: Cunning Defense
Mnemonic: cdefense
Hostile: No
Stamina Cost: None.
Other Requirements: None
Available to: Warriors, Rogues, Wizards, Clerics, Empaths, Sorcerers, Rangers, Bards, Savants, Monks, Paladins.
Prerequisites:
None
CMP Cost:
Rank 1: (Squares) 2 (Semis) 3 (Pures) 4
Rank 2: (Squares) 3 (Semis) 4 (Pures) 6
Rank 3: (Squares) 4 (Semis) 6 (Pures) 8
Rank 4: (Squares) 5 (Semis) 7 (Pures) 10
Rank 5: (Squares) 6 (Semis) 9 (Pures) 12
Description: +3 per rank to CML defense.

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[AnticorRifling]

Yeah that has to be a newer CMAN.

[caelric]

Purely defensive cman, which is what a warmage needs.

[AnticorRifling]

Purely defensive cman, which is what a warmage needs.

What is CML defense? Because if it's straight DS no, no we don't. If it's avoiding maneuvers then yes, yes we do.

[TheLastShamurai]

What is CML defense? Because if it's straight DS no, no we don't. If it's avoiding maneuvers then yes, yes we do.

CML = Combat Maneuver List.

So basically it helps defend against maneuvers from the CMAN list, but not critter maneuvers.

Overall, very useful still.

[caelric]

CML = combat maneuver list. Yes. It's defending against maneuvers. +3 per rank, specifically; for reference, a rank in a specific maneuver gives +15 defense against that maneuver, as per Oscuro. cdef defends against all maneuvers.

[audioserf]

Level 33 singled in CM and am up to 4 ranks in Feint. It seems like Rank 5 will take a whole lot more training and I'm not sure it's worth it. I may jump into CDef for a few ranks now or possibly Disarm.

[phantasm]

Can someone provide some specific examples of instances were CDef will provide extra defense.

vs. roater burrow?
vs. tree spirit boil?
vs. bandit trap?
vs. bandit manuever?
vs. a critter disarm attempt?
vs. a krag dweller?
pvp situations?

[caelric]

No, no, yes, yes, yes, not sure what krag dwellers do, yes.

In that order.

[audioserf]

No, no, yes, yes, yes, not sure what krag dwellers do, yes.

In that order.

Well goddamn. The assistance with bandit traps/maneuvers is most attractive to me. I'll definitely get some CDEF next and then round out with some Disarm later. I kind of regret going past 3 ranks in Feint now. It's useful but maybe not that useful.

[caelric]

I think I may have mentioned this to you elsewhere, but stack 402 before you go bandit hunting, I *think* that helps spot bandit traps.

[audioserf]

Yeah 402 definitely helps. I used Rapid Fire and Wracking to accomplish three hours of it once. That was kind of retarded. Half an hour to do bandits is more than enough.

[caelric]

Whenever I rest, I run waggle to pump up 402 to 4 hours. Useful in a number of things, so I keep it running

[Danical]

Can someone provide some specific examples of instances were CDef will provide extra defense.

vs. roater burrow?
vs. tree spirit boil?
vs. bandit trap?
vs. bandit manuever?
vs. a critter disarm attempt?
vs. a krag dweller?
pvp situations?

Bandit traps are on the CML? I thought they all used a variant of the SMR (standard maneuver roll).

[Drew]

Bandit traps are on the CML? I thought they all used a variant of the SMR (standard maneuver roll).

I don't know either but if it doesn't show the roll I assume it's SMR and not CML. In which case cunning defense won't do anything.

[Danical]

I wasn't really asking, I was more telling.

Bandit Traps are on the SMR. Survival helps vs them too. That much I remember from a GM post.

[Drew]

Ok thanks.

[Danical]

Good talk.