WEC 48: Aldo vs. Faber

[Sam]

I bet this will be an exciting card, But I'm not forkin' over the money to watch it live. Already dumped $100 on PPV this month for the last two lackluster UFC events.. Hopefully I can steal a stream.

Aldo and Brown should both win and then have a rematch... Henderson will probably win too, but I hope he gets shut down so I don't have to hear him thank Jesus again.

[Archigeek]

Faber's a talented fighter and I think that will be an interesting fight.

What sort of relation is there between the UFC and WEC? I was surprised to see Dana White talking about that fight in an interview promoting it. I suppose their all one big conglomerate now?

[StrayRogue]

UFC (or rather Zuffa) own WEC.

[StrayRogue]

From what I've read, in fact, the UFC crew (Rogan, Buffer etc) will running the event tonight.

[Geshron]

I bet this will be an exciting card, But I'm not forkin' over the money to watch it live. Already dumped $100 on PPV this month for the last two lackluster UFC events.. Hopefully I can steal a stream.

Aldo and Brown should both win and then have a rematch... Henderson will probably win too, but I hope he gets shut down so I don't have to hear him thank Jesus again.

Glad I am not alone in that, such an idiotic thing to thank such a pacifistic character as Jesus anyhow after a fucking fight.

I think Aldo is going to shut Faber down, and it would be nice to see Henderson get submitted. Gonna steal a stream as well I think.

[Archigeek]

Sounds like UFC is buying up the competition. Pride, WEC, what else is there? Shrewed move, especially if you consider the crazy money that boxers get. The way the UFC is set up, the fighters get a pretty small payday compared to other individual professional sports. Good money I'm sure, but most of the money is staying in the White's pockets.

[StrayRogue]

Low card fighters get fuck all, unless they pull of fight of the night/knockout honors.

[AestheticLife]

Boxers earn jack shit when all is said and done. Boxing promoters make insane money.

With that said, it makes sense that Dana rakes it in. He's the only real promoter in his sport, given the relationship he maintains with the agents floating around.

If you think they aren't making solid cash, consider that B-List fighters that are only recognizable to hardcore fight fans still haul in six digits each event, and that's before bonuses. Any big name fighters are bonafide millionaires in this generation of MMA.

[AestheticLife]

Low card fighters get fuck all, unless they pull of fight of the night/knockout honors.

...as if it should be any different? Gary Calembrand (or any other no-name minor league fuck) makes jack shit, and Joe Mauer makes millions on top of millions.

Talent + Success + Charisma = $$$

[StrayRogue]

Boxers earn jack shit when all is said and done. Boxing promoters make insane money.

With that said, it makes sense that Dana rakes it in. He's the only real promoter in his sport, given the relationship he maintains with the agents floating around.

If you think they aren't making solid cash, consider that B-List fighters that are only recognizable to hardcore fight fans still haul in six digits each event, and that's before bonuses. Any big name fighters are bonafide millionaires in this generation of MMA.

lol B-list fighters do not earn six digits.

[AestheticLife]

lol B-list fighters do not earn six digits.

Diego Sanchez does. Clay Guida does. Tim Sylvia does. Mirko Cro Cop does. Gabriel Gonzaga does. Cheik Kongo does. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira does.

Not one of the above would be recognized by a thirty four year old woman fresh off Metro Transit.

[StrayRogue]

Diego Sanchez is the number 3 fighter in that division.

B fighters are more or less fighters who are ranked 5th or below in the division.

Consider that undercard fighters barely scrape five figures. Cheik Kongo only earned three figures because of a win bonus in his last fight.

No, most fighters do not earn 6 figures.

[AestheticLife]

Diego Sanchez just got annihilated in his title match. In any respectable division, he'd be stuck climbing the ladder from the bottom.

---and I said B-List fighters grab six figures... which they do.

UFC 100
Mark Coleman: $100,000 ($50,000 win bonus)
UFC 102 (close enough)
Nate Marquardt: ($80,000 includes $40,000 win bonus)
UFC 104 (close enough)
Joe Stevenson: ($94,000 includes $47,000 win bonus)
UFC 106
Josh Koscheck: $106,000 ($53,000 win bonus)
Antonio Rogerio Nogueira: $100,000 ($30,000 win bonus)
UFC 108 (worth noting, as dos Santos blows)
Junior dos Santos: $60,000 ($30,000 win bonus)
UFC 109
Matt Serra: $150,000 ($75,000 win bonus)
UFC 110
Joe Stevenson

That's a four second search and a copy + paste from recently posted payouts. Stevenson's UFC 110 payout has not been made official, but he took in six digits to be sure (before the 50k Fight of the Night bonus).

Go back to UFC 85 and go forward from there, and you'll find plenty more. I'm too lazy to bother. Note that none of the above take non-win bonuses into account, so after fight/KO/submission of the night bonuses, plenty of other guys grabbed their hundred grand at least.

[StrayRogue]

I do not figure any possible bonus into my yearly wage. Nor would a fighter. They're getting paid 5 figures without any kind of bonus. Without it most of those people won't be on more than 5 figures. Nor are any of those B-list undercard fighters (with the exception of Coleman). Most are top 5 ranked in their division, former champions, or former title-contenders.

[StrayRogue]

UFC is also the best of the best.

Look at Strikeforce, the current number 2.

Lets look at some of their payouts from SF7:
Lavar Johnson (http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Lavar-Johnson-9511) -- $16,000 (including $8,000 win bonus) def. Lolohea Mahe (http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Lolohea-Mahe-28176) -- $3,000

Ron Humphrey (http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Ron-Humphrey-8154) -- $7,000 (including $3,500 win bonus) def. George Bush (http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/George-Bush-13683) -- $5,000

Andre Galvao (http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Andre-Galvao-36876) -- $10,000 (no win bonus listed) def. Luke Stewart (http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Luke-Stewart-16504) -- $5,000

Miesha Tate (http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Miesha-Tate-26252) -- $5,000 (including $2,000 win bonus) def. Zoila Frausto (http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Zoila-Frausto-42572) -- $3,000

Justin Wilcox (http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Justin-Wilcox-16879) -- $12,000 (including $6,000 win bonus) def. Shamar Bailey (http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Shamar-Bailey-20744) -- $4,000

Daniel Cormier (http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Daniel-Cormier-52311) -- $500 (no win bonus listed) def. John Devine (http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/John-Devine-23429) -- $2,500

[AestheticLife]

How is "former champion" or "former title contender" status preventing someone from being "B-List"?

Do you mean to suggest Ken Shamrock is, to this date, an MMA A-Lister? How about Dan Severn? You're just being dumb.

Strikeforce isn't "B-List". Strikeforce is no-name crap highlighted by prospects and freak shows. Using that as any sort of standard is hilariously moronic.


Beyond that, even, you wouldn't factor in a win bonus? Any fighter worth their weight in salt would. Name a mid-level fighter that signs up for a fight without expecting to grab that win bonus... I beg of you.

[StrayRogue]

No, I'd never factor in any possible bonus. It'd be stupid to think "tonight I'm going to win $50k extra from a FotN bonus". Hope for the best, plan for the worst.

None of those names, save Coleman, are B-Fighters. None are currently undercarders, save Guida. They're all current, high-ranked UFC fighters.

The comparison with SF is that the UFC is the elite. And only the elite elite get paid a decent amount. And SF is the number 2.

It's crazy that Brock gets paid £800k for a single fight compared to most of the undercarders (who tend to fight harder).

Saying MMA fighters get well paid is stupid.

[Fallen]

I will be getting the card. I dont know enough about the fighters to make much in the way of predictions. Should be a solid series of fights, though. I'm looking forward to it.

[Archigeek]

100k per fight for a pay per view fight is peanuts compared to what they bring in. I'm guessing the fighters are getting about 1%

[Drew]

Boxers earn jack shit when all is said and done. Boxing promoters make insane money.

This is not true. Up and comers, maybe.

[Latrinsorm]

Where did that Brock Lesnar rip come from? Ask Mir how hard he fights.

[Stunseed]

I know alot of people lost money betting on Mike Brown on that one. Eeesh.

[Skeeter]

I consider myself a degenerate gambler, but I would never bet on MMA, too much crazy shit.

[Stunseed]

Faber/Brown III seems like a good idea now.