Poison e-bow

[Amber]

Closed, I'm keeping the bow, due to bids being withdrawn

[Fallen]

Be very careful with BOs. This thing is worth a mint.

[Durgrimst]

200mill

[Silvanostar]

oh man.. its times likes this i wish i actually had silvers

[B4Hand]

Makes me wish not only did I have that sort of silver..but that my main was still and Archer..yummy bow.

[upperguy]

any chance for some logs of it in action? not that I've got anywhere near the coin or $ I'd spend on it.

[Shibidibop]

any logs/info on the bow for us less enlightened folks who may still be interested?

[Inspire]

If paying by cash the winning bidder agrees to pay via money order or personal check.


Who are you?

[Amber]

Who are you?

You sent me a pm a while back, giving me advice on how to post this for sale, so I'm following your advice. :P

[Inspire]

You sent me a pm a while back, giving me advice on how to post this for sale, so I'm following your advice. :P

No, I mean who do you play.

[Drew]

Amber probably has better logs but here is one poisoning a kobby to death and the knockdown flare:


You draw back the string on your black oak longbow and a black witchwood arrow shimmers into view.
You fire a black witchwood arrow at a kobold!
AS: +72 vs DS: +27 with AvD: +33 + d100 roll: +54 = +132
... and hit for 15 points of damage!
Shot to the hand slices a finger to the bone!
The arrow splinters into tiny slivers.
Roundtime: 3 sec.
wait
Time drags on by...
Roundtime: 2 sec.
wait
Time drags on by...
Roundtime: 2 sec.
wait
Time drags on by...
Roundtime: 2 sec.

A kobold swings a short sword at you!
You evade the attack with incredible finesse!
wait
Time drags on by...
Roundtime: 2 sec.

The kobold crumples to a heap on the ground and dies.


fire
You draw back the string on your black oak longbow and a black witchwood arrow shimmers into view.
You fire a black witchwood arrow at an ice hound!
AS: +82 vs DS: +76 with AvD: +30 + d100 roll: +84 = +120
... and hit for 12 points of damage!
Minor puncture to the right leg.

**Noxious liquid from your black oak longbow showers the ice hound which falls to the ground and large, oozing blisters begin to form.*
The arrow splinters into tiny slivers.
Roundtime: 3 sec.

[Amber]

No, I mean who do you play.
You probably don't know me, as I've only played maybe a dozen times in the past year.

[Kitsun]

Old clips.

Noxious Toxin:
**A spray of a noxious toxin flies from your witchwood arrow bathing the Ithzir janissary in a vile substance!**

Smokey Skin:
**Droplets of smoking black liquid spray from your witchwood arrow! The festering taint watches in horror as its skin begins to smoke!**

Wither:
**A brackish foul-smelling solution from your witchwood arrow splashes the gremlock, which quickly begins to wither!**

Eye Damage:
**Drops of oily residue fly from your witchwood arrow, drenching the gremlock!**
**The gremlock claws at its eyes!**

Knockdown:
**Noxious liquid from your witchwood arrow showers the festering taint which falls to the floor and large, oozing blisters begin to form.**

Slimer:
**A malodorous toxin spits from your witchwood arrow, and slimes the face of the Ithzir scout!**


You draw back the string on your black oak longbow and a black witchwood arrow shimmers into view.
You fire a black witchwood arrow at an Ithzir scout!
AS: +477 vs DS: +344 with AvD: +25 + d100 roll: +66 = +224
... and hit for 63 points of damage!
Nailed in lower back!
The Ithzir scout is stunned!

**A malodorous toxin spits from your witchwood arrow, and slimes the face of the Ithzir scout!**
The arrow splinters into tiny slivers.
Roundtime: 3 sec.
Roundtime changed to 1 second.


You draw back the string on your black oak longbow and a black witchwood arrow shimmers into view.
You fire a black witchwood arrow at an Ithzir janissary!
AS: +482 vs DS: +303 with AvD: +30 + d100 roll: +40 = +249
... and hit for 60 points of damage!
Strike connects with shoulder blade!

**A spray of a noxious toxin flies from your witchwood arrow bathing the Ithzir janissary in a vile substance!**
The arrow splinters into tiny slivers.
Roundtime: 3 sec.

You fire a black witchwood arrow at a bent being!
AS: +463 vs DS: +296 with AvD: +23 + d100 roll: +55 = +245
... and hit for 69 points of damage!
Strike to wrist severs right hand!
The bent being howls in pain as it loses its right claw!
The bent being is stunned!
The arrow splinters into tiny slivers.

>fireYou draw back the string on your black oak longbow and a black witchwood arrow shimmers into view.
You fire a black witchwood arrow at XXXX!
AS: +457 vs DS: +519 with AvD: +32 + d100 roll: +94 = +64
A clean miss.
The arrow splinters into tiny slivers.
Roundtime: 3 sec.

You fire a black witchwood arrow at a festering taint!
AS: +485 vs DS: +281 with AvD: +30 + d100 roll: +52 = +286
... and hit for 85 points of damage!
Well placed strike to back shatters vertebrae!
The festering taint is knocked to the ground!
The festering taint is stunned!

**Droplets of smoking black liquid spray from your witchwood arrow! The festering taint watches in horror as its skin begins to smoke!**
The arrow splinters into tiny slivers.
Roundtime: 3 sec.

You fire a black witchwood arrow at a gremlock!
AS: +482 vs DS: +392 with AvD: +30 + d100 roll: +75 = +195
... and hit for 51 points of damage!
Nailed in lower back!

**A brackish foul-smelling solution from your witchwood arrow splashes the gremlock, which quickly begins to wither!**

You fire a black witchwood arrow at a gremlock!
AS: +483 vs DS: +339 with AvD: +30 + d100 roll: +42 = +216
... and hit for 73 points of damage!
Awesome shot shatters spine and punctures lung!
The gremlock is stunned!

**Droplets of smoking black liquid spray from your witchwood arrow! The gremlock watches in horror as its skin begins to smoke!**

You fire a black witchwood arrow at a gremlock!
AS: +437 vs DS: +344 with AvD: +30 + d100 roll: +66 = +189
... and hit for 49 points of damage!
Nailed in lower back!

**Drops of oily residue fly from your witchwood arrow, drenching the gremlock!**
**The gremlock claws at its eyes!**
The arrow splinters into tiny slivers.
Roundtime: 3 sec.

You fire a black witchwood arrow at a gremlock!
AS: +424 vs DS: +332 with AvD: +30 + d100 roll: +98 = +220
... and hit for 51 points of damage!
Impressive shot shatters wrist!

**A spray of a noxious toxin flies from your witchwood arrow bathing the gremlock in a vile substance!**
The arrow splinters into tiny slivers.
Roundtime: 3 sec.

You fire a black witchwood arrow at a festering taint!
AS: +354 vs DS: +298 with AvD: +30 + d100 roll: +96 = +182
... and hit for 47 points of damage!
Nailed in lower back!
The festering taint is stunned!

**Noxious liquid from your witchwood arrow showers the festering taint which falls to the floor and large, oozing blisters begin to form.**
The arrow splinters into tiny slivers.
Roundtime: 3 sec.

[Ryvicke]

Do the various flares cause wounds or just a general status effect and "knockdown"? Anyone who uses one regularly know if they effect skin values?

[Kitsun]

Anytime an arrow from the poison bow strikes, it lands a poison damage over time effect. Honestly I'm not sure what the above effects do besides the obvious knockdown one. I find it unlikely Khal decided to code in a skin value reducing script just for these poisons.

[WRoss]

Since Khal coded my greater posion flaring maul and the messaging on all those flares are the same as from my maul, I'm guessing that they cause the same effect. The flares from my maul do not cause wounds, RT, or stuns. They do poison the target in ranges from 25-75 per and typically dissipate about 10-35 per. The range might be larger, but it is a bitch to test. I have no info on the sliming since my maul doesn't do that.

[kookiegod]

The poison status effects were the same on the greater poison weapons (only one of which was ever released), pourable poisons, poison ebows, and snake poisons.

Why recode it when I built a nifty little system there and just reuse it? :)

~Paul

[kookiegod]

oh, 210m

The downside of these bows is they aren't permablessed like the others, but since poison doesn't effect the undead, it made sense.

~Paul

[Kitsun]

Give us some hints about what the status effects do =P

[kookiegod]

No hints needed, Serpantis disclosed fully what his flares do.

For the bow its 20% chance of a flare and of the the flares is a 20% chance for the knockdown.

The snake weapons had the more cool random poisons with DoT, rooted, slow, bleeding (accelerated blood lost) or random. Same flare percentages.

~Paul

[Drew]

Just to be clear, each shot poisons the critter, you don't need a flare.

[kookiegod]

Just to be clear, each shot poisons the critter, you don't need a flare.

Incorrect. It has to flare, otherwise its just an arrow.

[Drew]

Well, you coded them you would know. I remembered it the other way 'round.

[Ryvicke]

Are you able to bless it to use on undead? Or fire blessed arrows with it?

[kookiegod]

Are you able to bless it to use on undead? Or fire blessed arrows with it?

No and no.

[Amber]

Incorrect. It has to flare, otherwise its just an arrow.

Are you positive about this? I may be wrong but I seem to remember, when we were testing it way back when, that it poisoned on every shot when my friend and I were shooting each other with it.

[Ryvicke]

What are the chances of any of the perma-blessed e-bows ever moving?

[Parker]

Are you positive about this? I may be wrong but I seem to remember, when we were testing it way back when, that it poisoned on every shot when my friend and I were shooting each other with it.

I actually had a similar experience.

The flare messaging seemed in time, but every arrow, regardless of flare, poisoned up to (In our testing) 69 per round.

I would say that the 25-75 range is probably good, though I seem to remember that the poison doesn't stack, nor does it reset the previous poison if you shoot again.

[Izzy]

I'm actually kind of surprised this is already as high as it is. I really don't mean this as any sort of sabotage attempt on your auction, I just don't get it.

To me, the only real perk to this weapon is the self-generating ammo, and maybe the knockdown flare. As an archer I don't find that mobs last long enough for poison to be of any significant effect. That, and you're missing out on DS with it being only 4x base. On average you're down 15 AS from a standard 5x/5x combo, too.

That said, I can't argue with the infinite ammo being godly...just (to me) not 200m+ godly. Very sweet weapon, but more on the fun/rp factor than actual utility as far as I see it.

Again, I don't mean to knock your sale at all, and you obviously already have very interested buyers. Just trying to figure out why, I guess.

[Kitsun]

Spoken like a poor person!

[Nuc]

I'm actually kind of surprised this is already as high as it is. I really don't mean this as any sort of sabotage attempt on your auction, I just don't get it.

To me, the only real perk to this weapon is the self-generating ammo, and maybe the knockdown flare. As an archer I don't find that mobs last long enough for poison to be of any significant effect. That, and you're missing out on DS with it being only 4x base. On average you're down 15 AS from a standard 5x/5x combo, too.

That said, I can't argue with the infinite ammo being godly...just (to me) not 200m+ godly. Very sweet weapon, but more on the fun/rp factor than actual utility as far as I see it.

Again, I don't mean to knock your sale at all, and you obviously already have very interested buyers. Just trying to figure out why, I guess.

The only reason I can think of is that the fun factor of the poison e-bow outweighs the fun factor of 200m silvers worth of naked dancing dwarf warriors.

[Kitsun]

Seriously though, part of the equation may be there are too many coins foating around and nothing to spend it on. The bow
offers freedom from the nuisance of keeping track of arrows, bundling, fletching, getting flares, encumberance issues. There is also the status of owning one. If fluffy forehead gems or wings can shoot around 50+million, why can't a flashy mechanical item go higher?

Plus there is like four plus high rollers eyeballing ebows in specific.

[Inspire]

I agree with Izzy on some points. Having said that, rare toys have always been expensive and I don't think the price is out of control yet.

Considering the other options available and how much they cost, a 250-300m price tag is possible.

[waywardgs]

This would be fun to have in shattered.

[AestheticDeath]

I would understand the price if it were permablessed. But even then, things must have changed a ton, cause I recall a perma blessed self ammo ebow with flares going for 100m or there bouts for a long time. Not sure how poison alla sudden trumps perma blessed.

[BriarFox]

Durg's bid pretty much blew this bow out of the water. It's way above normal for a poison bow. The WD bows, which are permablessed, usually go for around 150.

[kgolfer]

Yeah, but Kookiegod bid 210m....so it must of not been that much off......

[BriarFox]

Yeah, but Kookiegod bid 210m....so it must of not been that much off......

Well, Paul's been explicitly hunting for a poison bow for months, and Durg has always been willing to pay for what he wants regardless of the price. It's not surprising that the bid's where it is considering the two bidders. It is, however, far above previous prices for the poison bows that I've seen.

[Fallen]

Well, Paul's been explicitly hunting for a poison bow for months, and Durg has always been willing to pay for what he wants regardless of the price. It's not surprising that the bid's where it is considering the two bidders. It is, however, far above previous prices for the poison bows that I've seen.

Basically, with a few people concerning a few items, silvers/money is of little concern. That tends to fuck with the whole concept of an item going for what it is truly worth.

[Inspire]

An item is worth what someone is willing to pay.

(There are other people asking more than this for the same thing/lesser version.)

[m444w]

There is also the status of owning one. If fluffy forehead gems or wings can shoot around 50+million, why can't a flashy mechanical item go higher?
.

I'm the only person to pay 50+ for wings. For the darkness ability, and for essentially a pwn the fuck out of a room once per day ability. And they're neat.

[Izzy]

I'm the only person to pay 50+ for wings. For the darkness ability, and for essentially a pwn the fuck out of a room once per day ability. And they're neat.

I probably would pay that much. Hell, I paid 50m for my damn shade skink. But 50m and 200m are veeeeery different.

[Kitsun]

I know some people willing to break 70 for a certain set of wings.

[Amber]

I probably would pay that much. Hell, I paid 50m for my damn shade skink. But 50m and 200m are veeeeery different.

True, but a skink and an e-bow are veeeeery different too. One's a bit of fun fluff and the other is a bit of fun with a mechanical advantage. With the ebow and its poison, I've been able to uphunt about 15 levels since all it takes is a scratch and eventually anything will fall dead at my feet. I've been hunting minotaurs (levels 74-78) since I hit level 60.

Also, back before the nerf to the e-bows, I could mfire and shoot three arrows in seven seconds without using strength at all. I imagine someone stronger than my gnome could probably still do it.

I did go and try and shoot undead tonight, to make sure that the flares still hit them. Turns out they no longer do, or at least they didn't in my 25 tries, so undead now appear to be completely impervious to damage from the poison bows.

[AestheticDeath]

An item is worth what someone is willing to pay.

(There are other people asking more than this for the same thing/lesser version.)

I feel like slapping someone every time I hear this argument. Just because an item can pull a certain price once because some people are too loose with what they apparently have too much of, doesn't set a standard and make it 'worth' the price that was paid.

Show me something that goes for the same price every time, and more than just a couple times. And then you can say it is worth what people are paying.

"An item is worth what people are willing to pay over time." Would be closer, but still not correct.

[Shibidibop]

I feel like slapping someone every time I hear this argument. Just because an item can pull a certain price once because some people are too loose with what they apparently have too much of, doesn't set a standard and make it 'worth' the price that was paid.

Show me something that goes for the same price every time, and more than just a couple times. And then you can say it is worth what people are paying.

"An item is worth what people are willing to pay over time." Would be closer, but still not correct.


I don't think Inspire meant that an item should consistantly call for a certain amount of silvers once somone pays said amount for it once... rather, I think he means that we can't judge whether or not an item is "worth" the amount of silvers on one particular sale when someone "overpays" because it all depends on how badly that person wants that item. Hell, I would wager that we have all overpaid for an item at one point or another ...especially when its an item we really want and have been looking a long time for!!

[BriarFox]

"Worth" is generally defined as the average price of an item. Exceptional prices can, but rarely do, impact the worth of an item.

[m444w]

You are arguing this in the mistaken concept that this is similar to a chevy cobalt, piece of gum, or some other mass produced item. Extremely limited quantity, number that have found permanent homes, utility(mechanical benefit), etc are all factors. In this case, there are 5 pbows. They have moderate mechanical benefit, a relatively high neatness factor, and a very high rarity factor. Also given the amount of silver lying around now adays, it is slightly surprising to see it reach this high of a price, but after Elgrim's auction, I'm not counting anything out.

[Kitsun]

Yeah, I think the lesson of Elgrim's auction and this ebow is if you're moving high end items behind closed doors, you're getting suckered.

[kookiegod]

There is zero chance they ever flared on the undead.

Are we at going once yet?

~Paul

[m444w]

Yeah, I think the lesson of Elgrim's auction and this ebow is if you're moving high end items behind closed doors, you're getting suckered.

I most certainly agree if you are counting auctions... But if I wanted to get rid of my ebow, I would only like trades. The number of people that have trades that could interest me is extremely low, and I generally know all of them. And alot of people that like trading things around don't like it aired out in the open all the time.

[Asha]

I'd love to see Amber's inbox messages right now.

[Amber]

I'd love to see Amber's inbox messages right now.

No, no you wouldn't. I cringe everytime I get the pm pop-up.

[AKOE!]

I'm the only person to pay 50+ for wings. For the darkness ability, and for essentially a pwn the fuck out of a room once per day ability. And they're neat.

I would have so paid 50+ for the white wings. I think you got a nice deal but everyone knows I'm horrible at appraising things, hehe.

[Asha]

No, no you wouldn't. I cringe everytime I get the pm pop-up.

:lol:

[Ardwen]

Theres a few dozen items, that have no set value, just whatever the few ultra-rich players are willing to drop on them at the time, and Ebows are in this class, you can say they are worth whatever you want, but when its this sort of item that value becomes utterly meaningless. You can set a value on any of these items, but if its on someones want list be prepared to be stunned when they double or triple your base value.

[Durgrimst]

225m

[kookiegod]

225m

230

[Durgrimst]

235?

[waywardgs]

:popcorn:

[kookiegod]

235?

Enjoy!

[ruineye]

Just out of morbid curiosity...

Is the 360m Evarin paid for that 9x ECP Brig the most for a single item to date?

[Sile]

If you converted it to cash it would be $2520.

With that said, no I don't think it was.

[Amber]

There is zero chance they ever flared on the undead.



I know you coded them and all, but I am absolutely 100% positive that at one point they flared on undead, even though they didn't hit undead. I used to hunt in Pinefar and sometimes would accidentally fire at the ice wraiths in a swarm. While I got the standard message about the arrow not hitting them, there would still be occasional flares. I even remember posting once about not being able to hit undead with the bow but still being able to poison them with it.

[Amber]

Bidders pulled out, auction closed.

[AestheticLife]

How unfortunate.

[Inspire]

Hmm. What happened here?

[Kitsun]

I find it hard to believe Durg and Khal would shaft you on your item. And that you'd just walk off from like $1,600 after saying you don't play anymore and could use the skrill. The fuck?

[Ardwen]

pre-padding nerf and redux changes the red armor would have been the highest value item in the game hands down, Thal's staff also prenerf sold for more then half a billion

[ruineye]

pre-padding nerf and redux changes the red armor would have been the highest value item in the game hands down, Thal's staff also prenerf sold for more then half a billion

Half a billion... adjusting for silver deflation + dollar inflation... yikes.

[IorakeWarhammer]

shady lol

[kookiegod]

shady lol

Didn't see anything shady, she changed her mind after putting it up for sale. We talked its all good.

~Paul

[Amber]

Didn't see anything shady, she changed her mind after putting it up for sale. We talked its all good.

~Paul

ahem, nothing shady???

[kookiegod]

I think Amber, you got drawn into something between Durg and me that was brewing for some time and we needed to work it out between us and yah, fights happen with friends.

The original bid was 200m, and I will honor it 100 percent.

~Paul

[BriarFox]

Hrm. You've got a right to be disappointed, Amber, but that's still a hell of a price on that bow. I doubt anyone else will offer the same or beat it; personally, I wouldn't go over 100-125m for it. So, financially speaking, I'd post the 200m up as the CB and give it a week or so, then sell it. Otherwise, you might just end up taking it to the ether with ya, and then you and the game both lose out. Of course, if you're pissed off, you can do whatever ya want. :P

[kookiegod]

I think Amber, you got drawn into something between Durg and me that was brewing for some time and we needed to work it out between us and yah, fights happen with friends.

The original bid was 200m, and I will honor it 100 percent.

~Paul

[Amber]

I'm not accepting your offer. You two had no right to drag me into your conflict, and no right to make deals with each other regarding withdrawing bids as part of another trade. I was upfront and honest with both of you, I deserved the same in return. I'm not leaving GS just yet and while I admit the money would be nice, I don't need it. My main motivation in selling the bow was to provide someone the opportunity to use it more than I do. Right now, I'm thinking I may just loan it out to a trusted friend, though I do have a few other offers on the table.

[kookiegod]

I'm not accepting your offer. You two had no right to drag me into your conflict, and no right to make deals with each other regarding withdrawing bids as part of another trade. I was upfront and honest with both of you, I deserved the same in return. I'm not leaving GS just yet and while I admit the money would be nice, I don't need it. My main motivation in selling the bow was to provide someone the opportunity to use it more than I do. Right now, I'm thinking I may just loan it out to a trusted friend, though I do have a few other offers on the table.

I hope you get what you are looking for.

As Briarfox said, 200 is way overpaying for it, but i will honor the original deal, and I said I'm sorry you got dragged in. Mea culpa, but how it goes.

~Paul

[Inspire]

I'm not accepting your offer. You two had no right to drag me into your conflict, and no right to make deals with each other regarding withdrawing bids as part of another trade. I was upfront and honest with both of you, I deserved the same in return. I'm not leaving GS just yet and while I admit the money would be nice, I don't need it. My main motivation in selling the bow was to provide someone the opportunity to use it more than I do. Right now, I'm thinking I may just loan it out to a trusted friend, though I do have a few other offers on the table.


...

[Drew]

As a final note on the price, Ondreian has the shortbow version and he's asking between 250-350 million for it.

This bow was a steal at 200m.

Ondreian's is 10x, permablessed and flares void flares on every shot. And that's the price he's asking, not the price he has received.

[Inspire]

Ondreian's is 10x, permablessed and flares void flares on every shot.


Well, in that case....

Not the bow I thought it was....



However, I still consider Amber's bow a steal at 200m. Pretty much anything self-ammo is going to be 200m. (Unless it's a crossbow)

[StrayRogue]

To summerize...wtf has happened here?

[phantasm]

Two bidders retracted their bids.
I don't see this as breaking any rules of conduct, or in bad form at all.

[HSB]

Looks like Durg and Paul were the two bidders, had some behind the scenes interaction of some kind, and agreed to retract bids.

Without knowing the details... on the surface, I'd say it's OK for a bidder to withdraw their bid for whatever reason. It stings the seller, and isn't great form, but certainly not verboten on these boards. I've done business with both of them, and found them trustworthy. They had their reasons, whatever they might have been, for withdrawing their bids. A shame that neither of them got the bow, as I know they've both been on the hunt for one.

[Ausek]

Well, since this sale has been pulled...are there any other poison bows out there that might be looking for a new home? Ebows too?

[Phungoman]

Looks like Durg and Paul were the two bidders, had some behind the scenes interaction of some kind, and agreed to retract bids.


I think this poem just about sums up the situation:

Tweedledum and Tweedledee
Agreed to have a battle;
For Tweedledum said Tweedledee
Had spoiled his nice new rattle.
Just then flew down a monstrous crow,
As black as a tar-barrel;
Which frightened both the heroes so,
They quite forgot their quarrel.

:club: :nono:

[doughal]

I don't get why the self ammo is so ultra cool. Sure it would be handy not to worry about gathering arrows, but with a half decent macro it's not that big of a deal. Not 200m big anyway.

6x bow and ebladed arrows and you've got the equivalent of a 10x weapon, plus bundles of arrows off the shelf are dirt cheap. Or a 5x bow and ebladed fletcher created arrows.

Although archery does rock, so I can definitely see the attraction of getting one of the rare bows, I just don't see self ammo being that critical, handy, but not critical.

[kookiegod]

I think this poem just about sums up the situation:

Tweedledum and Tweedledee
Agreed to have a battle;
For Tweedledum said Tweedledee
Had spoiled his nice new rattle.
Just then flew down a monstrous crow,
As black as a tar-barrel;
Which frightened both the heroes so,
They quite forgot their quarrel.

:club: :nono:

Fairly accurate.

~Paul