What, no Roethlisberger thread?

[Revalos]

Anyway, I kind of think he got a raw deal with a 4-6 game suspension for what for all intents and purposes could be the 2006 Duke hockey team incident. I haven't been following it much but I still can't figure out why he got the suspension if no charges were filed.

[Stanley Burrell]

All politics because the police want another famous person's wienerschnitzel.

[Mtenda]

This is a recurring theme with Roethlisberger. There are subtle tells in the way he has handled himself throughout these incidents that would lead some people (paranoia.....maybe.....maybe not) to think he is guilty of more than just putting himself in a bad situation. Either that or his PR is giving him some bad advice on how to conduct himself. Unless it is all perfectly planned and executed theatrics, the way the accuser has handled herself throughout this also leads me to believe he is guilty of at least something. The Steelers have far more female fans than any other sports franchise so it is crucial that they save face. Although nothing has been or will be proven, the lingering questions of everything that has gone on reflect a very negative light. I'm not saying he raped the girl. But I'd wager that he crossed the line somewhere. Hope I'm wrong. Good luck Steelers.

Edit: It just all looks really bad. 4-6 weeks seems about right to me.

[Gibreficul]

I'm staying out of this. No conviction, not even official charges brought = :wtf: That's where I stand.

I just took a phone call from a friend who said, "They're only giving him 6 games because he's white." :rofl:

[BigWorm]

I'm staying out of this. No conviction, not even official charges brought = :wtf: That's where I stand.

I just took a phone call from a friend who said, "They're only giving him 6 games because he's white." :rofl:

Roger Godell has made it very clear since he came in that the policy has nothing to do with charges or convictions. If you make the league look bad, you are going to be punished. You're in idiot if you think its only because he's white. I think the fact that he's a 2-time SB winning franchise QB has more to do with it that his race. You also forget that he has a history of incidents like the other sex assault allegation, the motorcycle accident, etc.

If you heard the DA's press conference when he announced there wouldn't be charges filed, it was definitely implied that something inappropriate went on, but there wasn't enough to info to press charges against him. There's only so many times that your employer is going to believe you were "in the wrong place at the wrong time".

[Latrinsorm]

Not to mention that sexual misconduct is notoriously difficult to pursue as a criminal charge.

For your consideration, here are some direct quotes from the Georgia Bureau of Investigation's documents:

From the alleged victim: "I said, 'I don't know if this is a good idea" and he said, 'It's OK.' He had sex with me and meanwhile his body guards told my friends they couldn't pass them to get to me."

From one of her friends: "I told one of Ben's security guards that my girlfriend was in no shape to be back there with Ben. He couldn't look me in the eye and he didn't know what was going on. My friend went to open the (bathroom) door and it was locked."

The criminal investigation is over. What reason could Roethlisberger possibly have to not personally deny these allegations, as he did the very similar allegations made by a woman in Nevada?

[Revalos]

Roger Godell has made it very clear since he came in that the policy has nothing to do with charges or convictions. If you make the league look bad, you are going to be punished. You're in idiot if you think its only because he's white. I think the fact that he's a 2-time SB winning franchise QB has more to do with it that his race. You also forget that he has a history of incidents like the other sex assault allegation, the motorcycle accident, etc.

If you heard the DA's press conference when he announced there wouldn't be charges filed, it was definitely implied that something inappropriate went on, but there wasn't enough to info to press charges against him. There's only so many times that your employer is going to believe you were "in the wrong place at the wrong time".

But where do you really draw the line then? I mean rich and famous people are going to be rich and famous. They are going to do stupid shit and if that shit is bad enough they get to pay for it. However, if you start having the NFL be another court to try people in without any additional evidence or any reason it just seems like double jeopardy.

I realize this isn't like he went to trial and was found innocent, he never was even charged with a crime so whatever it was didn't even warrant a misdemeanor offense in the eyes of the law...yet then you slap a penalty that equates to basically knocking an entire team out of potential Superbowl contention, affecting fan turnout, and reducing advertising revenue for it? That just seems a bit much.

[Latrinsorm]

However, if you start having the NFL be another court to try people in without any additional evidence or any reason it just seems like double jeopardy.At the same time, the NFL and the Steelers are businesses, and businesses are not required to meet the criminal judicial burden of proof to mete out punishment. Another worthwhile question is whether the NFL's monopoly on professional football should factor into their punitive ability. (The answer is no.) It's also hard to take complaints about competition and revenue seriously when the owner has explicitly come out in support of the commissioner.

In keeping with the court analogy, as an NFL player Roethlisberger is not without recourse. The NFLPA is perfectly happy to appeal even the most justified suspension - if his (assumed) objections have merit, surely they will assist him in filing the appropriate paperwork.

[Revalos]

In keeping with the court analogy, as an NFL player Roethlisberger is not without recourse. The NFLPA is perfectly happy to appeal even the most justified suspension - if his (assumed) objections have merit, surely they will assist him in filing the appropriate paperwork.

Sure, but do you think he wants to come off looking like a whiny bitch with appealing something like this no-win situation? In the mind of the media and many people he's been tried and convicted of some kind of sexual transgression even if the police can't find enough evidence to do so. So if he appeals it and wins it isn't going to change the public outcry. If he serves his time it does.

What if you were accused of a crime and your job put you on unpaid leave for it even if you were never charged with that crime? I doubt appealing any of that would change the fact that you got railroaded.

[Skeeter]

Not being charged with a crime =/ not doing something wrong. Ben appears to be a serial rapist. Apparently he has a long history of this type of shit back to college.

NFL is well within their right and should punish him for not living up to expected players conduct.

[BigWorm]

Sure, but do you think he wants to come off looking like a whiny bitch with appealing something like this no-win situation? In the mind of the media and many people he's been tried and convicted of some kind of sexual transgression even if the police can't find enough evidence to do so. So if he appeals it and wins it isn't going to change the public outcry. If he serves his time it does.

What if you were accused of a crime and your job put you on unpaid leave for it even if you were never charged with that crime? I doubt appealing any of that would change the fact that you got railroaded.

You are totally missing the point. Its about image, not about right and wrong. Whatever Ben actually did doesn't really matter to Goddell, its the situation he created around himself. The NFL felt that the ensuing media coverage made them look bad. He is being punishing for hurting the brand, not because the NFL cares about that girl.

And if you are the image of a company (e.g. The Pittsburgh Steelers), you can bet your ass that company is going to be upset if you garner them tons of negative attention.

[Xanator]

I haven't even had one civil suit brought against me for sexual assault. Big Ben must have some really bad luck, huh?

I have to assume it's actually pretty easy to be rich, famous, fun-loving, and socially active without being sued, as many of Big Ben's NFL counterparts do it and have done it for years and years. Where there's smoke, there's fire. Whether a conviction or financial penalty does or doesn't ever stick to this guy, the least he can do is learn to take himself out of the situation (and, therefore, his employer out of a very negative spotlight).

Quoth Goodell, on the privilege of playing in the league and the status it (unfortunately, if you're the sex offender type) bestows upon you: "You're a role model, whether you like it or not."

[Latrinsorm]

Sure, but do you think he wants to come off looking like a whiny bitch with appealing something like this no-win situation? In the mind of the media and many people he's been tried and convicted of some kind of sexual transgression even if the police can't find enough evidence to do so. So if he appeals it and wins it isn't going to change the public outcry. If he serves his time it does.

What if you were accused of a crime and your job put you on unpaid leave for it even if you were never charged with that crime? I doubt appealing any of that would change the fact that you got railroaded.If I was accused of a similar crime and had done it, I would kill myself. If I had not done it, I would use every conceivable avenue available to me to establish that fact, and I would not lose a moment's sleep over those who irrationally did not believe me. Given the gravity of the situation, I would not begrudge my employer for taking even accusations seriously (especially multiple accusations by unrelated parties). We're not talking about spitting on the sidewalk, and Ben Roethlisberger is not the vulnerable party on whose side we should err for caution's sake.

[Xanator]

If I was accused of a similar crime and had done it, I would kill myself. If I had not done it, I would use every conceivable avenue available to me to establish that fact, and I would not lose a moment's sleep over those who irrationally did not believe me.

And then, I might just kill myself anyway.

Sincerely,
Budd Dwyer

[Gibreficul]

You are totally missing the point. Its about image, not about right and wrong. Whatever Ben actually did doesn't really matter to Goddell, its the situation he created around himself. The NFL felt that the ensuing media coverage made them look bad. He is being punishing for hurting the brand, not because the NFL cares about that girl.

And if you are the image of a company (e.g. The Pittsburgh Steelers), you can bet your ass that company is going to be upset if you garner them tons of negative attention.

The "image" was tarnished by accusations that weren't turned into official charges. I could accuse any one of you of anything I want, not that it would carry any water. My main concern is if that girl has gotten underage drinking charges, and if the bar was fined for allowing someone underage to be intoxicated in their establishment. I'm sorry, SHE was wrong for being 20 years old and drunk in a public establishment. Anything Ben did from then on is a result of her poor decisions which were against the law to begin with. I'm not relieving him of any guilt, and I'm not saying he didn't do it, but let's look at the big picture, not at one part of it under a microscope. In reality, I don't give a shit. It's hockey playoff time.

[NocturnalRob]

Guys, he already lost his beef jerky sponsorship. Why continue to punish the guy?


PLB Sports, a Pittsburgh company that markets food products endorsed by local sports stars, has dropped its beef jerky sponsorship deal with Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger. Company president Ty Ballou says Roethlisberger is "falling short" of the company's standards, even though a Georgia prosecutor announced Monday he will not prosecute the quarterback over a sexual-assault allegation.

http://www.newstimes.com/sports/article/Pa-sponsor-drops-Roethlisberger-from-beef-jerky-446242.php

[BigWorm]

And then, I might just kill myself anyway.

Sincerely,
Budd Dwyer

I was just watching the film from the Budd Dwyer suicide a few weeks ago. That was a crazy situation.

[Xanator]

My main concern is if that girl has gotten underage drinking charges, and if the bar was fined for allowing someone underage to be intoxicated in their establishment.


I'm not relieving him of any guilt, and I'm not saying he didn't do it, but let's look at the big picture, not at one part of it under a microscope.

Hoooooomer.

[SHAFT]

If the girl hadn't been drunk off her ass and if she could have given a solid statement, he probably would have been charged. Also, the fact he supplied underage women with alcohol is not being disputed. The girls friends are saying he got her drunk and then took her to a secluded place. He's an idiot for allowing this to happen again.

[Mtenda]

My main concern is if that girl has gotten underage drinking charges, and if the bar was fined for allowing someone underage to be intoxicated in their establishment. I'm sorry, SHE was wrong for being 20 years old and drunk in a public establishment. Anything Ben did from then on is a result of her poor decisions which were against the law to begin with.

Holy wow Batman. That's just asinine. No wait, that's asiten.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtb73qp0mmc

[TheEschaton]

I'm sorry, SHE was wrong for being 20 years old and drunk in a public establishment. Anything Ben did from then on is a result of her poor decisions which were against the law to begin with. I'm not relieving him of any guilt, and I'm not saying he didn't do it, but let's look at the big picture, not at one part of it under a microscope.


DEFINITE homer reaction, and this sentiment is shocking. Such an argument has been bandied about by those who want to excuse rapists by saying "She was dressed like a slut, so it's a result of her own actions." It's a chauvinist argument that says women are to blame for being raped, and that men somehow can't control themselves when presented with a drunk, pretty woman.

-TheE-

[Keller]

The "image" was tarnished by accusations that weren't turned into official charges. I could accuse any one of you of anything I want, not that it would carry any water. My main concern is if that girl has gotten underage drinking charges, and if the bar was fined for allowing someone underage to be intoxicated in their establishment. I'm sorry, SHE was wrong for being 20 years old and drunk in a public establishment. Anything Ben did from then on is a result of her poor decisions which were against the law to begin with. I'm not relieving him of any guilt, and I'm not saying he didn't do it, but let's look at the big picture, not at one part of it under a microscope. In reality, I don't give a shit. It's hockey playoff time.

The next time you're drunk at a bar, I think karma dictates that this guy rapes you.

http://www.crossdresserheaven.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/vickichristiancrossdresser.jpg

[RichardCranium]

She had a button or tag or some shit on that read "DTF" and was telling everyone it meant Down To Fuck. Yeah, she wasn't asking for it at all.

He's a retard for continuously putting himself in these situations and deserves whatever punishment he gets.

[Latrinsorm]

Unless she had a pin that she said meant Down to Be Forcibly Held Against Her Will and Nonconsensually Groped, I don't see how she got what she was "asking for" in any way.
In reality, I don't give a shit.You're embarrassing yourself.

[RichardCranium]

Unless she had a pin that she said meant Down to Be Forcibly Held Against Her Will and Nonconsensually Groped, I don't see how she got what she was "asking for" in any way.You're embarrassing yourself.

If a girl is running around clubs telling everyone she's down to fuck then chances are it was entirely consentual. Sounds like she's looking for a payday.

[Revalos]

If a girl is running around clubs telling everyone she's down to fuck then chances are it was entirely consentual. Sounds like she's looking for a payday.

Thank you. This is what I was trying to say since my initial post.

[Gibreficul]

If a girl is running around clubs telling everyone she's down to fuck then chances are it was entirely consentual. Sounds like she's looking for a payday.

The fact of the matter is that if the girl wasn't breaking the law to begin with, this entire situation never happens. So, let's start at square 1, and make sure she's properly charged for the laws she broke. I mean, justice is blind, isn't it?

[AestheticLife]

The fact of the matter is that if the girl wasn't breaking the law to begin with, this entire situation never happens. So, let's start at square 1, and make sure she's properly charged for the laws she broke. I mean, justice is blind, isn't it?

So if a twelve year old stumbles into a bar and gets backhanded, shot in the thigh, raped, then slashed across the throat, it's entirely her fault for stepping through the wrong door?

Excuse me for offering up such a scenerio to begin with, but your point is fucking moronic.

What she did was stupid. Was it something thousands of minors do on a nightly basis? Obviously enough, if your daughter/sister/assorted family member of qualifying age flashed a fake ID to grab a drink, you wouldn't care in the slightest once she brought up rape in any forum.

[BigWorm]

The fact of the matter is that if the girl wasn't breaking the law to begin with, this entire situation never happens. So, let's start at square 1, and make sure she's properly charged for the laws she broke. I mean, justice is blind, isn't it?

You forgot italics dude.

[Latrinsorm]

The fact of the matter is that if the girl wasn't breaking the law to begin with, this entire situation never happens. So, let's start at square 1, and make sure she's properly charged for the laws she broke. I mean, justice is blind, isn't it?You're currently embarrassing yourself and your parents. I would prefer you stop before your fail reaches people from whom I am directly descended.

[Gibreficul]

So if a twelve year old stumbles into a bar and gets backhanded, shot in the thigh, raped, then slashed across the throat, it's entirely her fault for stepping through the wrong door?

Excuse me for offering up such a scenerio to begin with, but your point is fucking moronic.

What she did was stupid. Was it something thousands of minors do on a nightly basis? Obviously enough, if your daughter/sister/assorted family member of qualifying age flashed a fake ID to grab a drink, you wouldn't care in the slightest once she brought up rape in any forum.

Sooooooo, an admitted case of underage drinking and public intoxication should be put by the side because the outcome of the evening turned out poorly for the perp? I wish the justice system really worked like that.... Sure, I stole the car, but then I crashed it, so... really, we're not dealing with a stolen car, we're dealing with a wrecked car... here's my insurance.

Fact is, crimes were committed, laws were broken, so those breaking laws (any and all, all parties included) should be punished for their crimes. It doesn't get any more simple of that.

The DA looked at the case, and decided not to file charges because they couldn't win. A good defense attorney would saw that girl in half if she was on the stand. Her witnesses too. That's why people hate lawyers.

http://liberalbaptistrev.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/justice.jpg

[Skeeter]

Are you really this stupid, or is this a clyder type stance?

[TheEschaton]

You can't use a rape victim's character as a defense in court, but I'm glad that you have a direct line to the DA and why (s)he made that charging decision. Also, love your sound view of the law.

I can almost guarantee that the reason he wasn't charged was because rape cases are always he said, she said, and nearly impossible to prove. And in this case, "he" happens to have many millions of dollars to mount his defense.

[TheEschaton]

P.S. If justice was actually blind, him having fame and money wouldn't have been barriers to charging him.

[RichardCranium]

Why is it that she gets the benefit of the doubt and not he?

[TheEschaton]

That's a controversy amongst Evidence professors across the country. ;) The rape shield law, though, as it stands, protects the victim of an alleged rape from being characterized as having "deserved" it.

My personal (not legal) opinion is that if someone is willing to say that they've been raped, they should be given the benefit of the doubt. I've worked in battered women's shelters before, and the psychological torment of rape and DV issues makes it hard for women who've even obviously been abused, to admit it, to discuss it, to testify to it on the stand.

[Stunseed]

She'll sleep MUCH better at night on that matress made of Benjamin's.

[sst]

That's a controversy amongst Evidence professors across the country. ;) The rape shield law, though, as it stands, protects the victim of an alleged rape from being characterized as having "deserved" it.

My personal (not legal) opinion is that if someone is willing to say that they've been raped, they should be given the benefit of the doubt. I've worked in battered women's shelters before, and the psychological torment of rape and DV issues makes it hard for women who've even obviously been abused, to admit it, to discuss it, to testify to it on the stand.

Sadly there are a lot of spiteful/crazy women out there that are more than willing to make false allegations

Since working out in Cali I work pretty closely with Army CID and I'd estimate that when there are charges of rape that arise during our join investigations about 40%-50% of them have ended up being false... Either regret sex, Husband found out and they claim rape, or both were wasted and she didn't like what she woke up next to.

[TheEschaton]

Since working in battered women's shelters, I call bullshit on your numbers.

[sst]

I've not dealt with battered women's shelters, and Id assume that women that go to them would tend to be more legit than Army Spouses or Soldiers that report cases of rape.

You however have a very heavy bias on the matter id assume.

So, you manage to pick up any of the chicks there?

[RichardCranium]

That's a controversy amongst Evidence professors across the country. ;) The rape shield law, though, as it stands, protects the victim of an alleged rape from being characterized as having "deserved" it.

My personal (not legal) opinion is that if someone is willing to say that they've been raped, they should be given the benefit of the doubt. I've worked in battered women's shelters before, and the psychological torment of rape and DV issues makes it hard for women who've even obviously been abused, to admit it, to discuss it, to testify to it on the stand.

I don't disagree that if it in fact happened the way she says it did then it is one of the most horrible crimes that can be committed. All I'm saying is that given the facts of the case, I have a hard time believing she is telling the truth. I also believe that he deserves whatever punishment he gets for being retarded and continuously putting himself in these situations.

[Gibreficul]

Why is it that she gets the benefit of the doubt and not he?

My point exactly, condensed into a simple question.


P.S. If justice was actually blind, him having fame and money wouldn't have been barriers to charging him.

What part of, THE EVIDENCE WAS NOT GREAT ENOUGH TO PRESS CHARGES doesn't make sense to you? Oh, because it doesn't mesh well with what you'd like to believe.


That's a controversy amongst Evidence professors across the country. ;) The rape shield law, though, as it stands, protects the victim of an alleged rape from being characterized as having "deserved" it.

My personal (not legal) opinion is that if someone is willing to say that they've been raped, they should be given the benefit of the doubt. I've worked in battered women's shelters before, and the psychological torment of rape and DV issues makes it hard for women who've even obviously been abused, to admit it, to discuss it, to testify to it on the stand.

So, because you're sensitive to the issue, and thus maintain a personal bias, Ben is guilty? I'm not buying it.


Sadly there are a lot of spiteful/crazy women out there that are more than willing to make false allegations

Since working out in Cali I work pretty closely with Army CID and I'd estimate that when there are charges of rape that arise during our join investigations about 40%-50% of them have ended up being false... Either regret sex, Husband found out and they claim rape, or both were wasted and she didn't like what she woke up next to.

The word "rape" gets tossed out way too often when in fact, it should be an, "oops, I made a bad decision and now I'm pissed" comment instead.


Since working in battered women's shelters, I call bullshit on your numbers.

My parents got divorced when I was about 13. I remember their last "fight" which was physical. My mom was throwing haymakers to my dad's left eye, my dad pushed her away. She bruised near the collarbone. She went to the police, had a PFA filed and followed through with and yet, my dad was the one with a concussion, but a tiny little bruise was enough to eject my dad from his house. So... No, I'm not buying the dumb slut's story. Women lie. That's what they do. Women let their emotions interfere with their thought process.


I don't disagree that if it in fact happened the way she says it did then it is one of the most horrible crimes that can be committed. All I'm saying is that given the facts of the case, I have a hard time believing she is telling the truth. I also believe that he deserves whatever punishment he gets for being retarded and continuously putting himself in these situations.

Again, RC is the word of neutral reason.

[TheEschaton]

My parents got divorced when I was about 13. I remember their last "fight" which was physical. My mom was throwing haymakers to my dad's left eye, my dad pushed her away. She bruised near the collarbone. She went to the police, had a PFA filed and followed through with and yet, my dad was the one with a concussion, but a tiny little bruise was enough to eject my dad from his house. So... No, I'm not buying the dumb slut's story. Women lie. That's what they do. Women let their emotions interfere with their thought process.


LOL, and you're the one who accuses me of bias?

THe fact of the matter is that the majority of rape claims are legit, and thousands more go unreported a year because of the psychological trauma women in abusive relationships are given. This is not my bias, I've never known personally anyone who's been raped or been accused of rape, those are just the facts.

[TheEschaton]

By the way "the evidence doesn't meet the standard to press charges" is what they always say. You'd be shocked at A) how many charges are pressed without evidence, and B) how many charges could have been pressed because of the evidence, but weren't.

Stop being an ignorant douchebag and a Pittsburgh homer.

-TheE-

[Gibreficul]

By the way "the evidence doesn't meet the standard to press charges" is what they always say. You'd be shocked at A) how many charges are pressed without evidence, and B) how many charges could have been pressed because of the evidence, but weren't.

Stop being an ignorant douchebag and a Pittsburgh homer.

-TheE-

Biased Bostomoron, and a Lib at that. STOP BEING STUPID.

http://www.encyclopediaofstupid.com/stupid/index.php/Liberalism

[sst]

LOL, and you're the one who accuses me of bias?

THe fact of the matter is that the majority of rape claims are legit, and thousands more go unreported a year because of the psychological trauma women in abusive relationships are given. This is not my bias, I've never known personally anyone who's been raped or been accused of rape, those are just the facts.

I was the one who accused you of having a bias TheE.

So, how do we know how many rapes go unreported when they are... unreported. Could you please present the facts that you know.

Now I'm curious about your battered women's shelter story TheE. If you've never personally known anyone who's been raped or accused of rape, how much time did you spend at the shelter? I would have thought you would have gotten to know the people, especially when how emotionally vulnerable they would be... A effeminate long haired liberal would be just the thing that they would like to start a personal relationship with =D

[TheEschaton]

I don't live in Boston any more, I grew up in a blue collar town even more down-on-its-luck than Pittsburgh, and me being liberal has nothing to do with the fact that cases often are not made not because they lack evidence, but for other reasons.

The unreported rape thing stems from counselling session after counselling session where women admit to being raped but that they never went tot he police, and still don't, even after being counseled to.

Did I know women at the shelter? Of course. I didn't know any of them before they came to the shelter, and that's what I would consider "personally knowing" someone. I didn't know them before the very events that caused me to eventually meet them.

And fuck you, I would never start a relationship with someone when I was in that position. I may be many things to you, but I'm not unprofessional or unethical.

And as for being effeminate, I spent most of Thursday evening AT the NFL 1st round draft, and spent the rest of my weekend watching hockey (amazing Chicago-Nashville game just ended) and the rest of the draft. Real effeminate there, I admit, watching 3 hours of the 4th-7th round.

-TheE-

[TheEschaton]

Oh, and Gib accused me of bias too:


So, because you're sensitive to the issue, and thus maintain a personal bias, Ben is guilty? I'm not buying it.


Edit: Gib, I love how you didn't address anything, and instead resorted to the classic ad hominem attack to try and prove your point.

[Skeeter]

I'm 100% with TheE on this one. It worries me a little.

Of course it could just be the other side are morons.

[RichardCranium]

I'm 100% with TheE on this one. It worries me a little.

Of course it could just be the other side are morons.



/sadface

[Xanator]

I'm 100% with TheE on this one. It worries me a little.

Of course it could just be the other side are morons.

I am, too. It makes me feel all greasy inside.

I like the way Gib is on a first-name basis with Ben Roethlisberger. That's awesome. You guys go out to bars and Eiffel Tower drunk chicks?

EDIT: I imagine he also refers to the Steelers/Pens/Pirates as "we" when referring to big games or important executive decisions.

[Warriorbird]

False accusations do occur.

All of those questions aside... shouldn't a certain quarterback know better at this point?

[Latrinsorm]

Why is it that she gets the benefit of the doubt and not he?Verifiable instances where this woman has accused: 1.
Verifiable instances where Roethlisberger was accused: 2.
2 > 1
QED

It's also worth pointing out again that Roethlisberger has still not personally denied the accusations stemming from Georgia. If he doesn't even think he's innocent, why should we?

[RichardCranium]

Verifiable instances where this woman has accused: 1.
Verifiable instances where Roethlisberger was accused: 2.
2 > 1
QED

It's also worth pointing out again that Roethlisberger has still not personally denied the accusations stemming from Georgia. If he doesn't even think he's innocent, why should we?

Verifiable instances where the woman in question was quoted multiple times as being "down to fuck." :1

I've already said he deserves whatever punishment Goodell gives him because he's fucking retarded and puts himself in questionable situations.

[Skeeter]

Living not too far from Miami University... about 40 minutes. I have heard unverified sources say he was a huge douche to women in college, and generally just a dickhead.

[Gibreficul]

I am, too. It makes me feel all greasy inside.

I like the way Gib is on a first-name basis with Ben Roethlisberger. That's awesome. You guys go out to bars and Eiffel Tower drunk chicks?

EDIT: I imagine he also refers to the Steelers/Pens/Pirates as "we" when referring to big games or important executive decisions.

I like the way ya'll are that girl's best friend since someone you don't like to begin with did something that nobody likes hearing happened to anybody.

http://www.julkaisut.fi/lip433/media/need%20a%20hug.jpg

:club:

[Latrinsorm]

Verifiable instances where the woman in question was quoted multiple times as being "down to fuck." :1It doesn't matter how many times a person says yes - no means no. This is the only reasonable and consistent way to interpret consent.

[RichardCranium]

It doesn't matter how many times a person says yes - no means no. This is the only reasonable and consistent way to interpret consent.

And so I ask again, why does she get the benefit of the doubt and not he?

[Latrinsorm]

She gets the benefit of the doubt about sexual assault accusations because the part of her history we know is irrelevant to sexual assault accusations. The cited part of Roethlisberger's history is exactly relevant.

[RichardCranium]

If you truly believe the part of her history is irrelevant to her sexual assault accusations then we'll just have to agree to disagree because her actions on that night have absolutely everything to do with a credible claim of rape.

[Sean]

If you truly believe the part of her history is irrelevant to her sexual assault accusations then we'll just have to agree to disagree because her actions on that night have absolutely everything to do with a credible claim of rape.

As a guy you have to know that just because someone has a nametag on that says down to fuck or DTF whatever it doesn't mean she's down to fuck YOU.

[RichardCranium]

As a guy you have to know that just because someone has a nametag on that says down to fuck or DTF whatever it doesn't mean she's down to fuck YOU.

Oh yeah, I forgot that part.

[TheEschaton]

Also, just because she has a button on that says down to fuck doesn't mean it's open season on fucking. Regardless of what the button says, she has the right to say no at any time, which then makes the sex unconsentual.

[sst]

I always wonder why these women don't go to the hospital and have a rape kit done or straight to the police. Its just a 911call away.

The burden of proof is on the accuser you as a wanna be laywer should stick to that line of thinking theE and others

[sst]

I always wonder why these women don't go to the hospital and have a rape kit done or straight to the police. Its just a 911call away.

The burden of proof is on the accuser you as a wanna be laywer should stick to that line of thinking theE and others

[Latrinsorm]

I always wonder why these women don't go to the hospital and have a rape kit done or straight to the police. Its just a 911call away.It's almost as if there is some sort of emotional trauma associated with the event. In any event, this woman did go to the hospital and had a rape kit done. That no one deposited enough DNA to be tested is in no way evidence that this woman was not sexually assaulted.
The burden of proof is on the accuser you as a wanna be laywer should stick to that line of thinking theE and othersThe burden of proof is on the state. The accuser isn't obligated to prove anything.

[sst]

I misspoke The state files the charges yes the crime is against the state etc. If there is not enough evidence brought by the accuser and the state is unable to find anything to prove it then we can't assume he is guilty.

Rape exaniminations are not just for DNA trauma etc brusing and/or other signs of trauma that would show resistance are taken into account

[TheEschaton]

Again, the accuser doesn't need to provide evidence, and like stated earlier in the thread, not charging him with anything does not equal there not being enough evidence to charge him.

[Guarrin]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAPEjcQvqSk

[Latrinsorm]

If there is not enough evidence brought by the accuser and the state is unable to find anything to prove it then we can't assume he is guilty.Neither should we (the people) assume he is innocent. I also want to point out again that Roethlisberger still has not denied these accusations. Circumstances we can all agree are at least suspicious + no plea of innocence + multiple offenses = me leaning towards him being the bad guy here. I certainly have reasonable doubt about it, but not much.
Rape exaniminations are not just for DNA trauma etc brusing and/or other signs of trauma that would show resistance are taken into accountThere were. Specifically: a superficial laceration, bruising, and bleeding in the genital area.

[Tisket]

Specifically: a superficial laceration, bruising, and bleeding in the genital area.

I have had a few crazy, consensual encounters (when I was much younger and wilder mind you) that resulted in all of the above.

Well, maybe not bleeding. That's a bit much to swallow as resulting from consensual intercourse, even the wild variety.

[BigWorm]

I always wonder why these women don't go to the hospital and have a rape kit done or straight to the police. Its just a 911call away.

The burden of proof is on the accuser you as a wanna be laywer should stick to that line of thinking theE and others

From what I've read on the matter, she did go to the police that same day/night.

[Gibreficul]

Fact, the girl had a .28 BAC.
Fact, the only talking being done is from that girl, and her friends.
Fact, you can't make an educated decision based on one side of any story.
Fact, anyone who believes a drunk 20 year old slut without regard for the other side of the story is indeed, a very stupid, ignorant naive person.

[BigWorm]

Fact, the girl had a .28 BAC.
Fact, the only talking being done is from that girl, and her friends.
Fact, you can't make an educated decision based on one side of any story.
Fact, anyone who believes a drunk 20 year old slut without regard for the other side of the story is indeed, a very stupid, ignorant naive person.

Fact, that is why there we no charges pressed.

Fact, Roethlisberger still looks like a creep and the NFL doesn't appreciate the negative attention he is getting for them.

[TheEschaton]

Fact, the girl had a .28 BAC.
Fact, the only talking being done is from that girl, and her friends.
Fact, you can't make an educated decision based on one side of any story.
Fact, anyone who believes a drunk 20 year old slut without regard for the other side of the story is indeed, a very stupid, ignorant naive person.

Oh, so you don't think the fact that a defense lawyer tearing her up for being drunk wouldn't factor into why charges weren't pressed?

I also forgot, how do you know she's a slut? Because of a button? Do you know her sexual history? Do you know if she's a liar by nature? Do you know ANYTHING besides the fact that she went to the hospital the night she was with Rothlisberger, got a rape kit done, said she was raped by Ben Rothlisberger, and that you are hanging so hard off his jock strap that you automatically assume she's the slut trying to get a payday from your hero?

I don't make decisions based on one side of the story. The problem is, Rothlisberger has A) been accused of this before, B) hasn't denied or even talked about this incident, and C) is accepting his suspension. Now, that isn't the story from his mouth to our ears, but sometimes, actions speak louder than words.

-TheE-

[TheEschaton]

By the way, who else do you expect to be doing "the talking" in a rape case?

Rapes usually aren't public crimes, you know.

I used to wonder why Kobe Bryant is adulated, even after he raped some girl in some hotel room. Now I know - take you, and multiply it by the population of L.A. I knew California was retarded.

[Some Rogue]

The problem is, Rothlisberger has A) been accused of this before

-TheE-

This is one of the major problems I have with accusations like this. All it takes is one vengeful woman to claim rape and a guy is branded for life as a rapist whether he was convicted or not. There's no innocent until proven guilty for people accused of rape.

[Gibreficul]

Fact, that is why there we no charges pressed.

Fact, Roethlisberger still looks like a creep and the NFL doesn't appreciate the negative attention he is getting for them.

I agree 100% Bigworm. I'd agree more but that creates computation errors.

[sst]

I don't make decisions based on one side of the story. The problem is, Rothlisberger has A) been accused of this before, B) hasn't denied or even talked about this incident, and C) is accepting his suspension. Now, that isn't the story from his mouth to our ears, but sometimes, actions speak louder than words.

-TheE-

OOOR he is doing what his PR folks think is the best.

[TheEschaton]

His PR folks must be fucking morons, then, because an outright denial is always better than staying silent, unless an outright denial would be a lie.

[Tordane]

http://foolishfans.com/2010/06/20/roethlisbergers-biggest-fan/

[Parkbandit]

http://foolishfans.com/2010/06/20/roethlisbergers-biggest-fan/

http://torontospeeddate.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/jerk-pic.jpg

Looks like a cottage cheese factory in her pants...