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AestheticLife
04-12-2010, 08:33 AM
Santonio Holmes to the Jets for a fifth round pick.

What the hell were the Steelers thinking? Mike Wallace can't do everything on his own...

Silvanostar
04-12-2010, 09:46 AM
thats pretty shocking. nice pickup for the jets.

maybe it has to do with the ownership people saying how they want more of a smash mouth team instead of the pass oriented offense they've been watching the past couple of years.

Drew
04-12-2010, 09:52 AM
WTF? I swear if they take Jason Taylor from me I might weep openly.

AestheticLife
04-12-2010, 10:37 AM
A FIFTH ROUND PICK?

Really, I keep trying to wrap my mind around it, but I can't. I wish trades like this were plausible in Madden.

SHAFT
04-12-2010, 11:31 AM
holmes is a huge liability. he's been busted for weed once, just recently had assault charges filed against him, and now he either failed another test or missed a test. he's facing a 4 game suspension. this coupled with big ben's problems was more than enough to let him go. i don't blame the steelers for moving him, but a 5th rounder is cheap for a 1st round former super bowl mvp entering his prime.

its the deal of the century if you're a jets fan though. entering last season WR was their biggest weakness, now they have cotchery, edwards, dustin keller, and now holmes. plus david clowney is a burner who stretches the field and he's an awesome #4. i'm liking sanchez for fantasy

AestheticLife
04-12-2010, 11:42 AM
When the guy's biggest character concern is a possession charge (as the assault charge will be dropped shortly), I'd happily toss a sixth rounder (or a third, even) out the window for a Pro Bowl receiver.

I'd take Santonio Holmes all day, every day, if it means my actual number one receiver gets single coverage.

SHAFT
04-12-2010, 11:59 AM
When the guy's biggest character concern is a possession charge (as the assault charge will be dropped shortly), I'd happily toss a sixth rounder (or a third, even) out the window for a Pro Bowl receiver.

I'd take Santonio Holmes all day, every day, if it means my actual number one receiver gets single coverage.

I agree. If he messes up they can cut him very easily and they've only lost a 5th rounder, or he could easily become their best WR. The Steelers are an image conscious franchise and I'm not surprised they let him go. Mike Wallace is loving this trade I know that.

Parkbandit
04-12-2010, 12:56 PM
Am I the only one here that isn't that impressed with Santonio Holmes? His big claim to fame was one clutch catch to win the Superbowl. Last year was his best year.. but don't expect that to continue in NY, with Braylon Edwards and Jerricho Cotchery already there.

Bringing a guy like Santonio Holmes to NYC is a bad idea imo... he's already of questionable character and facing a 4 game suspension. Maybe the Jets are planning on throwing more than they did last year when they were last in attempted passes... they did get rid of that ungrateful little bitch Thomas Jones.

I don't see this as such a good deal for the Jets.. unless Holmes actually gets his shit together (which I doubt). He has a long history of using/selling drugs and domestic violence.

Keller
04-12-2010, 01:03 PM
He was in the last year of his contract and will be available, at the earliest, in week 5.

So the Steelers traded 11 games (bye week) of a potential liability for a 5th round pick.

Not terrible. I think they could have gotten a 4th or even a 3rd, but I assume they just wanted him gone.

Front offices don't generally make stupid moves with Super Bowl caliber teams before the season begins. I'd expect they have a plan.

Guarrin
04-12-2010, 01:05 PM
Bringing a guy like Santonio Holmes to NYC is a bad idea imo... he's already of questionable character and facing a 4 game suspension. Maybe the Jets are planning on throwing more than they did last year when they were last in attempted passes... they did get rid of that ungrateful little bitch Thomas Jones.

Rex has already said they were planning on opening up the offense more this year than last year. I don't think they plan to turn into a throw-heavy team, but there should be more passing plays mixed in for Sanchez. Hopefully they won't have to color code their offense this year.

As a Jets fan, I think this is a great deal for them. Honestly, screw the character issues. There are plenty of guys in the league that have been busted for something. As long as he keeps it clean going forward. They wouldn't have made the deal if they didn't think they could get him to clean up his act a bit.

For a 5th round draft pick, it's a great deal. The first four years in the league he had over 800 yards receiving, which isn't too bad considering he was the #2 WR. I really like the WR group now with Braylon, Cotchery, Clowney and Brad Smith.

Guarrin
04-12-2010, 01:07 PM
Front offices don't generally make stupid moves with Super Bowl caliber teams before the season begins. I'd expect they have a plan.

Word is they are very high on Tate.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=237421

AestheticLife
04-12-2010, 01:11 PM
Am I the only one here that isn't that impressed with Santonio Holmes? His big claim to fame was one clutch catch to win the Superbowl. Last year was his best year.. but don't expect that to continue in NY, with Braylon Edwards and Jerricho Cotchery already there.

Bringing a guy like Santonio Holmes to NYC is a bad idea imo... he's already of questionable character and facing a 4 game suspension. Maybe the Jets are planning on throwing more than they did last year when they were last in attempted passes... they did get rid of that ungrateful little bitch Thomas Jones.

I don't see this as such a good deal for the Jets.. unless Holmes actually gets his shit together (which I doubt). He has a long history of using/selling drugs and domestic violence.



Are you a moron? Seriously, your attempt at supporting your ill-informed position failed almost as hard as mine usually do.

Santonio Holmes is a Pro Bowl-calibur receiver, top 15 in the league minimum at his position. Considering he wasn't thrown to entirely often, on top of having a bonafide dry spell in the middle of the season, coming out where he did was magnificent.

The guy is JUST turning twenty seven in a couple months (aka hitting his physical peak in the coming contract period), he's a LONG 5'11" with great leaping ability, and has the blazing speed to offset any possession receiver that lines up nearby. On top of that, he was a bonafide team leader under Tomlin, and is one of the most verbally positive receivers in the game (thanks to Hines Ward, more likely than not).

If you would rather have some naive third round draft pick trying to take the burden off Braylon's shoulders, then you're a complete moron. The guy has been a star at every level of his career, and will continue to be a star even while sharing the spotlight with two other top 40 wide outs. Doubt him all you want after he puts up another thousand yard season.

(...and LOL at a history of drug use/drug sales/domestic violence. Seriously, do you have ANY idea what a majority of the guys do in the off season? For every Larry Fitzgerald, there's always a Matt Jones. I would take a burnout that can burn DBs over a murderer that's too slow to cover the sidelines any day.)

BigWorm
04-12-2010, 01:32 PM
Santonio Holmes is definitely not a top 15 receiver.

Parkbandit
04-12-2010, 02:10 PM
Are you a moron? Seriously, your attempt at supporting your ill-informed position failed almost as hard as mine usually do.

You do seem to be an expert on fail, but considering how often you fail, perhaps you have failed in your position.. let's take a look:



Santonio Holmes is a Pro Bowl-calibur receiver, top 15 in the league minimum at his position. Considering he wasn't thrown to entirely often, on top of having a bonafide dry spell in the middle of the season, coming out where he did was magnificent.


2009: His best year ever. 7th receiving yards, T39th for receiving TDs, 16th receptions

2008: 38th in receiving yards, 29th in receiving TDs, 49th receptions. How was that top 15? Wait a minute! He WAS top 15.. for fumbles (T8th)

2007: 28th in receiving yards, T15th for receiving TDs.. 56th for receptions.

2006: 32nd in receiving yards, T99th for receiving TDs, 62nd for receptions.


He's had a grand total of 6 games with over 100 yards... out of 60 games. Last season, Andre Johnson, Wes Welker and Miles Austin had 6 100 yard games.

I'm not sure how you are coming up with this guy being a top 15 WR.. 1 year out of 4 in 1 category does not a top 15 receiver make.



The guy is JUST turning twenty seven in a couple months (aka hitting his physical peak in the coming contract period), he's a LONG 5'11" with great leaping ability, and has the blazing speed to offset any possession receiver that lines up nearby. On top of that, he was a bonafide team leader under Tomlin, and is one of the most verbally positive receivers in the game (thanks to Hines Ward, more likely than not).


Huh? You consider him a top 15 player.. not by his stats.. but by his height (short for the position) blazing speed (not among the top 10 receivers in the league.. if you can find him on a list somewhere, link it) and because he was the most "verbally positive receivers in the game" (I don't even know wtf you mean by that..)

Um.. ok?



If you would rather have some naive third round draft pick trying to take the burden off Braylon's shoulders, then you're a complete moron.

We weren't talking about any 3rd round draft pick.. we were simply discussing Holmes to the Jets... a match I don't believe was as great as people like you think it is.


The guy has been a star at every level of his career, and will continue to be a star even while sharing the spotlight with two other top 40 wide outs. Doubt him all you want after he puts up another thousand yard season.

Well.. if he does put up another 1000 yard season, it'll be his 2nd time ever. He will also have to have the best season ever.. since he'll be suspended for 4 games. It won't happen this year.



(...and LOL at a history of drug use/drug sales/domestic violence. Seriously, do you have ANY idea what a majority of the guys do in the off season? For every Larry Fitzgerald, there's always a Matt Jones. I would take a burnout that can burn DBs over a murderer that's too slow to cover the sidelines any day.)

I'm only discussing Santonio Holmes, and his history of criminal trouble.

Santonio Holmes.. THE MOST VERBALLY POSITIVE RECEIVER IN THE GAME!!!!

Keller
04-12-2010, 02:11 PM
Santonio Holmes is definitely not a top 15 receiver.

#34 on this list, and going down.

http://www.nfl.com/fantasy/rankings/wr

Parkbandit
04-12-2010, 02:12 PM
Santonio Holmes is definitely not a top 15 receiver.

But he's the most "verbally positive receivers in the game"!!!!!

TheEschaton
04-12-2010, 02:43 PM
I'm waiting for the draft, but I'm on the verge of losing faith in the Bills.

Parkbandit
04-12-2010, 02:54 PM
I'm waiting for the draft, but I'm on the verge of losing faith in the Bills.

When was the last time you actually HAD faith in the bills??

TheEschaton
04-12-2010, 02:56 PM
I've always had faith in the Bills. Drafting Jimmy Clausen will shake that faith to the foundations, though.

Keller
04-12-2010, 03:37 PM
I've always had faith in the Bills. Drafting Jimmy Clausen will shake that faith to the foundations, though.

We hate BC, too.

TheEschaton
04-12-2010, 03:40 PM
LOL, did you see us win the National Hockey Championship on Saturday?

Yeah, I thought so.

Keller
04-12-2010, 03:44 PM
LOL, did you see us win the National Hockey Championship on Saturday?

Yeah, I thought so.

I don't watch club sports.

Guarrin
04-12-2010, 05:10 PM
I agree, we're not talking about the best WR in the league, but, a few things to consider when looking at Holmes' stats.

He was Pittsburgh's #2 WR. And with how well Wallace(their rookie, i think that's his name) played last year it's arguable that he had to split that #2 spot. Also, they just started to phase Ward out a little more last year.

Until last season, Pittsburgh really was always a run fist, pass second team. I believe last year they started throwing the ball more, which resulted in Holmes having over 1200 yards. I think that under a different system, he has the potential to be a VERY good, possibly even great WR in the league.

Unfortunately, I do not think the Jets run that system :). However, when comparing Holmes to the WR on their team, I think it is a significant improvement. Especially for the cost.

AestheticLife
04-12-2010, 06:22 PM
I lol'ed at you guys offering fantasy rankings as tried and true evaluation of talent. I guess Matt Schaub is a better Quarterback than Tom Brady, Troy Aikman, Steve Young, Dan Marino, John Elway, or Joe Mantana ever were, hmm?

On talent alone, Holmes is damned sure a top 15 receiver in the league, and if you can't take his most recent season into account at HIS age, I'm not really sure what sport you guys think you're following. He's a star receiver who, until now, was on a team that hardly threw the ball, and had three other viable receiving threats.

As I said, it wont be hard to identify why this was a great move on the part of the Jets. Suspension or not, the kid is going off this year, and I'm damn sure betting on at least a thousand yards in the absence of the "true" Braylon Edwards (or the coming out of the true Braylon, anyway).

BigWorm
04-12-2010, 07:19 PM
I lol'ed at you guys offering fantasy rankings as tried and true evaluation of talent. I guess Matt Schaub is a better Quarterback than Tom Brady, Troy Aikman, Steve Young, Dan Marino, John Elway, or Joe Mantana ever were, hmm?

On talent alone, Holmes is damned sure a top 15 receiver in the league, and if you can't take his most recent season into account at HIS age, I'm not really sure what sport you guys think you're following. He's a star receiver who, until now, was on a team that hardly threw the ball, and had three other viable receiving threats.

As I said, it wont be hard to identify why this was a great move on the part of the Jets. Suspension or not, the kid is going off this year, and I'm damn sure betting on at least a thousand yards in the absence of the "true" Braylon Edwards (or the coming out of the true Braylon, anyway).

How many Pro Bowls has he been selected for? He only has 20 career receiving TDs in four years. Last year was his only year with more than 1000 receiving yards and his first year with more than 55 receptions. I'll give you that he made great clutch catch in SB XLIII, but other than that do you have any facts to support your claim of "damned sure a top 15 receiver" other than your huge throbbing boner for him?

Sean
04-12-2010, 07:21 PM
If Colt Brennan was his QB he'd be the #1 all time receiver.

Stunseed
04-12-2010, 07:22 PM
Stop it Sean, you'll make him rub it raw!

AestheticLife
04-12-2010, 07:26 PM
No boner, just logic. When a young wide out has his best season to date running towards his physical coming-of-age, how can you discount that? He's obviously a solid, thousand yard receiver any year for the next five years, barring Sanchez completely losing his deep ball.

Holmes was hardly included in the offense on a regular basis, last year included, and he was often ignored in clutch situations (despite the trademark catch) in favor of the guys Ben was "more comfortable with" (Hines Ward, sure, but Mewelde Moore? wtf).

He has a combination of great hands, burner speed (sure, not elite track star speed, but he's still damned fast), and great agility. Once he learns more respect for his routes, and earns more respect from his Quarterback, he'll be impossible to ignore as a top 5 (let alone top 15) receiver.

He's going to make Cotchery look like the decent number two receiver he's always been, and Braylon look like a complete scrub on his way to another thousand yard season. Speculation or not, argue against it in January when he's wearing that gay ass jersey.

BigWorm
04-12-2010, 07:26 PM
If Colt Brennan was his QB he'd be the #1 all time receiver.

Fact.

BigWorm
04-12-2010, 07:29 PM
No boner, just logic. When a young wide out has his best season to date running towards his physical coming-of-age, how can you discount that? He's obviously a solid, thousand yard receiver any year for the next five years, barring Sanchez completely losing his deep ball.

Holmes was hardly included in the offense on a regular basis, last year included, and he was often ignored in clutch situations (despite the trademark catch) in favor of the guys Ben was "more comfortable with" (Hines Ward, sure, but Mewelde Moore? wtf).

He has a combination of great hands, burner speed (sure, not elite track star speed, but he's still damned fast), and great agility. Once he learns more respect for his routes, and earns more respect from his Quarterback, he'll be impossible to ignore as a top 5 (let alone top 15) receiver.

He's going to make Cotchery look like the decent number two receiver he's always been, and Braylon look like a complete scrub on his way to another thousand yard season. Speculation or not, argue against it in January when he's wearing that gay ass jersey.

So his own QB didn't consider him a solid option last year... compared to studs like Mewelde Moore and a rookie Mike Wallace. Top 15 for DAMN SURE!!!

Do you even read this shit before you post it?

Keller
04-12-2010, 07:42 PM
I lol'ed at you guys offering fantasy rankings as tried and true evaluation of talent. I guess Matt Schaub is a better Quarterback than Tom Brady, Troy Aikman, Steve Young, Dan Marino, John Elway, or Joe Mantana ever were, hmm?

On talent alone, Holmes is damned sure a top 15 receiver in the league, and if you can't take his most recent season into account at HIS age, I'm not really sure what sport you guys think you're following. He's a star receiver who, until now, was on a team that hardly threw the ball, and had three other viable receiving threats.

As I said, it wont be hard to identify why this was a great move on the part of the Jets. Suspension or not, the kid is going off this year, and I'm damn sure betting on at least a thousand yards in the absence of the "true" Braylon Edwards (or the coming out of the true Braylon, anyway).

Quoted for next January.

TheEschaton
04-12-2010, 08:04 PM
No boner, just logic. When a young wide out has his best season to date running towards his physical coming-of-age, how can you discount that? He's obviously a solid, thousand yard receiver any year for the next five years, barring Sanchez completely losing his deep ball.

Holmes was hardly included in the offense on a regular basis, last year included, and he was often ignored in clutch situations (despite the trademark catch) in favor of the guys Ben was "more comfortable with" (Hines Ward, sure, but Mewelde Moore? wtf).

He has a combination of great hands, burner speed (sure, not elite track star speed, but he's still damned fast), and great agility. Once he learns more respect for his routes, and earns more respect from his Quarterback, he'll be impossible to ignore as a top 5 (let alone top 15) receiver.

He's going to make Cotchery look like the decent number two receiver he's always been, and Braylon look like a complete scrub on his way to another thousand yard season. Speculation or not, argue against it in January when he's wearing that gay ass jersey.

Come now, in January, it'll be hard to break into his apartment in NYC to see him wearing his Jets jersey. I bet his building'll have a doorman and everything.

Latrinsorm
04-12-2010, 09:52 PM
Honestly, screw the character issues. ... They wouldn't have made the deal if they didn't think they could get him to clean up his act a bit.That's usually what happens, career screw-ups immediately turn it around when people they have no relationship with want them to.
When a young wide out has his best season to date running towards his physical coming-of-age, how can you discount that?How many cases can you cite where a player had his first 1000 yard season at age 25 and went on to become an elite wide receiver? The only ones I can find are Michael Irvin and TO.

Parkbandit
04-12-2010, 11:43 PM
LOL, did you see us win the National Hockey Championship on Saturday?

Yeah, I thought so.

I lost $1 on that damn game...

Parkbandit
04-12-2010, 11:50 PM
I lol'ed at you guys offering fantasy rankings as tried and true evaluation of talent. I guess Matt Schaub is a better Quarterback than Tom Brady, Troy Aikman, Steve Young, Dan Marino, John Elway, or Joe Mantana ever were, hmm?

On talent alone, Holmes is damned sure a top 15 receiver in the league, and if you can't take his most recent season into account at HIS age, I'm not really sure what sport you guys think you're following. He's a star receiver who, until now, was on a team that hardly threw the ball, and had three other viable receiving threats.

As I said, it wont be hard to identify why this was a great move on the part of the Jets. Suspension or not, the kid is going off this year, and I'm damn sure betting on at least a thousand yards in the absence of the "true" Braylon Edwards (or the coming out of the true Braylon, anyway).

I backed up my opinion with facts. You decided to back up your opinion with more opinions.

I'll take that bet btw... name the price. Santonio Holmes will not get 1000 yards receiving this year with a 4 game suspension.

This is where you should abruptly leave this thread.. and hope no one ever calls your bets again.

AestheticLife
04-13-2010, 05:46 AM
The only ones I can find are Michael Irvin and TO.

I wouldn't be shocked if Holmes puts up better numbers than Irvin when all is said and done.


I backed up my opinion with facts. You decided to back up your opinion with more opinions.

I'll take that bet btw... name the price. Santonio Holmes will not get 1000 yards receiving this year with a 4 game suspension.

This is where you should abruptly leave this thread.. and hope no one ever calls your bets again.

Fifty USD sounds about right!

Parkbandit
04-13-2010, 08:29 AM
Fifty USD sounds about right!

Done.

AnticorRifling
04-13-2010, 09:28 AM
PB just made 50 bucks.

AestheticLife
04-13-2010, 09:38 AM
Probably, but I'd rather put my money where my mouth is than be a Kerry-style flip-flopper.

If he holds at 980 or some stupidly similar number, I may just kill him (or Dustin Keller).

Parkbandit
04-13-2010, 09:55 AM
Probably, but I'd rather put my money where my mouth is than be a Kerry-style flip-flopper.

If he holds at 980 or some stupidly similar number, I may just kill him (or Dustin Keller).

You do realize that Santonio Holmes is suspended for 4 games, right? That right there puts him down to 12 games this season. He would have to average 84 ypg to hit the 1K mark. He's never had a "breakout" game, the most yards he's ever received for is 149... so basically he would have to have more 100+ yard games in this one season with a brand new team.. than he has had in his entire NFL career.

Do yourself a favor.. send me my 50 bucks and we can forget all about your fail in this thread.

AestheticLife
04-13-2010, 11:16 AM
I do realize he's suspended, but that hasn't stopped several other receivers with similar skill levels from making it happen. 84 yards per game is by no means beyond possible, and I could easily see him settling in from the outset with an offense that will be in desperate need of his abilities.

The moment Shonn Greene struggles to pound the ball (which he will at some point in the season), Sanchez will go to his comfort zone (deep seam routes and short slants through the cover two). Assuming Dustin Keller isn't the sole beneficiary of that change in offensive philosophy, I could EASILY see Holmes ending up around 900-1,200 yards. Cotchery stands to gain absolutely nothing this year, and will probably get his usual looks, but Braylon Edwards is primed for epic failure (Randy Moss in Oakland type failure... or Braylon Edwards in Cleveland type failure, anyway).

Sean
04-13-2010, 12:57 PM
So the Jets who finished 31/32 in passing yard totals for last year are suddenly about ready to break out?

Even if opening the offense brings them upto a league average of approx 3500 yards lets see what we've got. 65% (high end approx. for WRs) of 3500 is 2275 yards.

You think Cotchery will remain about the same (800 yards) so that leaves 1475 yards for the balance of the WRs.

If Braylon Edwards returns to his "Cleveland Type failure" of approx 60 yds/gm (Randy Moss Averaged 54 with Oakland) that is 960 yards over 16 games leaving Holmes only 515 yards to split with the remaining members of the team and that doesn't even look at his suspension.

Obviously I played a little fast and loose with the numbers but it's pretty clear that your expectations don't add up.

The Jets would need to go from 31 of 32 to like 1 of 32 and throw for 4500 yards (x.65 = 2925 - 2275 = 650 additional yards for receivers or 41 yards per game x 11 games = 447 yards for holmes in addition to the previous 515 (962 yards total) assuming no other Jet WR caught the ball besides Cotchery, Edwards, or Holmes).

Of course again this all changes if the JETS trade for Colt Brennan and therefore dominate the entire universe.

Guarrin
04-13-2010, 01:03 PM
That's usually what happens, career screw-ups immediately turn it around when people they have no relationship with want them to.

While you do have a point, Braylon hasn't knocked anyone else out since last year. Didn't Ray Lewis spend a few years in jail? I haven't heard anything about him pulling any shenanigans. Ricky seems to have cleaned up a bit in Miami also. It's certainly possible. It's also a contract year for him, and cash is always a good motivation to turn things around.

For the record, I don't expect him to have 1000 yard season. He's missing four games, and it's a new offense. Oh yeah, and they will probably still be running the ball 65% of the time.

AestheticLife
04-13-2010, 02:58 PM
Of course again this all changes if the JETS trade for Colt Brennan and therefore dominate the entire universe.

Sanchez + Scott + Greene + Cotchery + 1st Round Pick + 1st Round Pick + Player to be Named Later, and MAYBE they get him.

If that ever happened, the Jets could probably claim to be the World Champion for REALZ, not just the NFL Champ! I'm talking GLOBAL DOMINATION!!!1!


Really though, Brennan is a terrible fit for the offense they run. Don't squander talent!

Gibreficul
04-17-2010, 11:16 AM
Sanchez + Scott + Greene + Cotchery + 1st Round Pick + 1st Round Pick + Player to be Named Later, and MAYBE they get him.

If that ever happened, the Jets could probably claim to be the World Champion for REALZ, not just the NFL Champ! I'm talking GLOBAL DOMINATION!!!1!


Really though, Brennan is a terrible fit for the offense they run. Don't squander talent!

The Steelers traded Santonio and I don't have a pot dealer anymore. :wtf:

In all seriousness, I agree, the Steelers could have and should have got more for him. I also understand all the reasons they did get rid of him, which were mentioned earlier in this thread. (Character, contract year, suspensions, Mike Wallace, Ben's situation, ect.) I seem to think he'll be a good fit on the Jets. Time will tell. Nothing but love for him, he'll always be my SuperBowl XLIII MVP.

RichardCranium
04-17-2010, 11:30 AM
Really though, Brennan is a terrible fit for the NFL.

Fixed.

AestheticLife
04-17-2010, 01:11 PM
Pfft. Stick him on the Vikings, and they'd be stellar.

Drew
04-17-2010, 01:27 PM
I was upset at the Jets until the Dolphins got Brandon Marshall. We topped them both in quality of receiver and amount of character issues!

RichardCranium
04-17-2010, 01:54 PM
Pfft. Stick him on the Vikings, and they'd be stellar.

Considering they're already stellar and possibly only lost to the Saints because of a terrible pass interference call in the NFC Championship Game I wouldn't say that's too much of a stretch.

AestheticLife
04-17-2010, 03:51 PM
Considering they're already stellar and possibly only lost to the Saints because of a terrible pass interference call in the NFC Championship Game I wouldn't say that's too much of a stretch.

SO YOU ADMIT IT!

I win.

RichardCranium
04-17-2010, 04:04 PM
SO YOU ADMIT IT!

I win.

Well played sir.

Latrinsorm
04-30-2010, 06:48 PM
Don't You EVER Touch Santonio Holmes' iPod (http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/news/story?id=5151435)

Now, obviously this is not a serious offense in itself. You do have to wonder what the guy is thinking though, right? You got suspended and traded about 14 seconds ago, and you're going to screw around on an airplane?

Keller
04-30-2010, 06:50 PM
I never turn my ipod off during take off or landing.

I've never been given any shit.

$20 says it was a Pittsburgh based flight crew.

Sean of the Thread
05-01-2010, 12:13 AM
Take off and landing is the most exciting time other than drunk 20 year old girls returning from spring break using your dick as a ski pole.

Parkbandit
05-01-2010, 08:46 AM
1000 yards.... :rofl:

Just send me my 50 bucks and I will attempt never to point out your stupidity on this subject again.

josephwright12
05-26-2010, 05:35 AM
Its really interesting!

Parkbandit
10-31-2010, 05:28 PM
I backed up my opinion with facts. You decided to back up your opinion with more opinions.

I'll take that bet btw... name the price. Santonio Holmes will not get 1000 yards receiving this year with a 4 game suspension.

This is where you should abruptly leave this thread.. and hope no one ever calls your bets again.




Fifty USD sounds about right!


Week 1 = 0
Week 2 = 0
Week 3 = 0
Week 4 = 0
Week 5 = 41 Yards
Week 6 = 47 Yards
Week 7 = Bye
Week 8 = 43 Yards

Did you want to pay by check or paypal?