Official: GM Coase on Myklian Skinning (lol)

[Fallen]

>24 Hours, not one word from anyone with power about why these changes were made.

Prior to a couple days ago, myklian scales used a custom value determination system that dated back to when they were first released (over 15 years ago), when they were one of the highest level creatures in the game. The value determination system was left unchanged until now, even though the rest of the treasure system has drastically changed.

Over the last week before the changes, you, individually, were responsible for just over 60% of all skin sales by silver value due the myklian "farming". This silver was gained at absolutely no risk to you and, in fact, also allowed the empath in your group to be constantly fried. Your actions were within policy, no doubt, and neither your silvers nor your experience has or will be confiscated.

However, it is also not in the overall game's best interest for the myklians to remain as a risk-free source of large quantities of silver to any high level player who wishes to pursue that route. As a result, the myklian's scale value system has been brought closer into line with the rest of treasure system. It is unfortunate and understandable that you are upset that you lost a large source of silver generation, but I suggest that perhaps your past silver gains from this might give you some small measure of solace.

Coase

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[Deathravin]

GMs are just fucking clueless.

I'm almost glad this game isn't popular. If it was, just a single person with malicious intent (and intent to sell) could completely decimate the GS economy. So much of a percentage of silver comes from NPCs, you have spells like haste and rapidfire, and it's so easy to strategically script every action to capitalize on it.

When you look at the organization and sheer determination of gold farmers on MMOs, god help the GMs if they ever came here.

[Guarrin]

Interesting. I know someone that claimed to pull around 1m an hour off of those. Wonder how much that poster was pulling in.

I guess they're just protecting the silver market on the PC!

[Skeeter]

That's some serious bullshit. Myklian's are a huge pain in the ass to farm, you should get benefit from it. Who cares if you have risk or not.

This game continues to spiral into the toilet from dumb fucking decisions by the management.

[thefarmer]

Myklian's are a huge pain in the ass to farm, you should get benefit from it.

They really aren't a pita if you're using a capped empath.

[peam]

I think Coase makes sense.

What if dark orcs hadn't been converted to the new treasure system and were still dropping 25-30lb boxes regularly, and someone was farming through those?

I'd fully expect the loophole, which is what myklians were, to be closed sooner or later, especially if someone was generating a retarded amount of silver by farming the obviously flawed operation.

[Silvanostar]

i can see where coase is coming from as well but nerfs are never fun.

just wish they'd come up with a better silver drain on the economy than going around nerfing stuff like skinning

[nub]

That's some serious bullshit. Myklian's are a huge pain in the ass to farm, you should get benefit from it. Who cares if you have risk or not.

This game continues to spiral into the toilet from dumb fucking decisions by the management.

It's serious bullshit that they are being brought down to how the game was supposed to run? How is this a dumb fucking decision? It only affects the person that brought in 60% of the skin sales (by himself) over the past week. Oh nooooo

[Kitsun]

I thought the series of posts were fucking hilarious. I really do wonder how much he was generating though. It must've been massive considering how loud he screamed.

[nub]

I thought the series of posts were fucking hilarious. I really do wonder how much he was generating though. It must've been massive considering how loud he screamed.

Hmm what folder is this in, I want to read it. I thought those guys were in the landing, the boards need a search function!

[Soulpieced]

Not knowing exact amounts, let's do some math assuming AFK scripting and one wound to heal per skin.

1 cast to kill = 3 seconds
Script skin and healdown - 6 seconds
Find another - 10 seconds
Average skin = $4k?

Figure 3 creatures per minute on the very conservative side.

$12k per minute
$720k per hour

[nub]

found it!

[Fallen]

Not knowing exact amounts, let's do some math assuming AFK scripting and one wound to heal per skin.

1 cast to kill = 3 seconds
Script skin and healdown - 6 seconds
Find another - 10 seconds
Average skin = $4k?

Figure 3 creatures per minute on the very conservative side.

$12k per minute
$720k per hour

That's assuming Haste/Rapidfire weren't involved. I'd say that's pretty nuts that he single-handedly nerfed the skinning and empath healing system. Good Game!

[HSB]

This game continues to spiral into the toilet from dumb fucking decisions by the management.

Um... Huh?

They've been making enough decisions that made a lot of sense recently to get at least a little bit of leeway, in my opinion. And to change something that was unbalanced, no matter what angle you look at it? Ugh. Find something legit to whine about. God knows there's plenty still around.

[droit]

Hell, since the advent of GoS, you don't even need an empath slave. Sigil of determination lets you ignore up to rank 2 wounds and is pretty cheap to keep running constantly. Myklians wouldn't stack anything higher than rank 2, right?

[Durgrimst]

Who was it that got the whole thing nerfed?

[nub]

SYLVANCODE



Changes to healing and skin value. · on 4/9/2010 4:06:59 AM 46281


At about 3:00 am this morning, the ability to learn from healing a wound generated by skinning or searching a myklian was removed.

Also at that same time, their skin value was reduced severely.

While they had one of the higher skin values, their generation rate was very low, they also had the nasty side affect of causing two wounds.

Will someone please explain why these changes were made?

There were several groups including myself that frequently hunted the creatures. They have also been known as one of the most valuable skins in the lands for almost ever.

You pick up a blue myklian scale.
J>app scale
You turn the myklian scale over in your hands, meticulously inspecting for flaws. You estimate that the myklian scale is of magnificent quality and worth approximately 550 silvers!

>app scale
You ask Ragnoz to appraise a blue myklian scale.
Ragnoz examines the myklian scale quickly and says, "I'd say it's worth about oh... I'll pay you 787 silvers for it."
>sell scale
You ask Ragnoz if he would like to buy a blue myklian scale.
Ragnoz takes the myklian scale, gives it a careful glance, then pays you 787 silvers.

[BriarFox]

Sylvancode is Kizun. He goes by Inspire here on the PC.

[Silvanostar]

hmm.... isnt the skin value based on hunting pressure? if he was killing that many myklians and selling the scales why didn't the system adjust itself?

[Nilandia]

Myklians were an exception. They had an artificially set value, and just this past week were brought into the norm where value's based on hunting pressure. That's what generated the thread to begin with.

Gretchen

[Kitsun]

Sylvancode is Kizun. He goes by Inspire here on the PC.

Note there is a Z in there. KIZUN and not KITSUN. No blasting me, goddamnit.

[Sean]

I actually like the change and think it makes sense.

[Ryvicke]

Not knowing exact amounts, let's do some math assuming AFK scripting and one wound to heal per skin.

1 cast to kill = 3 seconds
Script skin and healdown - 6 seconds
Find another - 10 seconds
Average skin = $4k?

Figure 3 creatures per minute on the very conservative side.

$12k per minute
$720k per hour

I think the gen rate was pretty bad though... not able to be killing constantly.

[Swami71]

4k per skin? Thats not that much. Considering capped areas gen more and drop diamonds and emeralds. And there is still a low level place that drops 2-3k skins.

I'm all for the change though. I don't think 1 mil per hour for the work was all that amazing though.

[HSB]

And there is still a low level place that drops 2-3k skins.

Heh. Best I've seen so far is 1500 or so per skin. On a 14th level critter. Loving my little ranger more and more...

[Amber]

They had a pretty good gen rate. Back when my ranger was able to learn from them, I could get about 120K worth of scales in half an hour or so. I was eating herbs to heal my hand though, so it took me a bit longer to hunt than it would take someone with an empath along.

[Swami71]

Heh. Best I've seen so far is 1500 or so per skin. On a 14th level critter. Loving my little ranger more and more...

Maybe its just that my Empath is uber.

[Durgrimst]

Maybe its just that my Empath is uber.

That MIGHT have something to do with it.....

[nub]

4k per skin? Thats not that much. Considering capped areas gen more and drop diamonds and emeralds. And there is still a low level place that drops 2-3k skins.

I'm all for the change though. I don't think 1 mil per hour for the work was all that amazing though.

But are capped areas 100% safe from dying?

[Swami71]

Nelemar and OTF are if you're MAing.

EDIT: With HCP armor. Maybe 99% safe I should say.

[Numbers]

I don't see any problem with this change. It makes perfect sense.

[Durgrimst]

Honestly, if one person is pulling in 60% of all the skin selling coins in the game... that is asking for a nerf. They should just be happy they got away with it for as long as they did.

[AestheticLife]

It isn't like they were exploiting something that was otherwise unintended/unknown.

Still though, good fix.

[Durgrimst]

It isn't like they were exploiting something that was otherwise unintended/unknown.

Still though, good fix.

That is my point, if everyone knows about it but only the 1 person does it to that extreme, it is a sign that they were exploiting something. I'm surprised that didn't set off a huge red flag a lot sooner.

[Mogonis]

Nelemar and OTF are if you're MAing.

EDIT: With HCP armor. Maybe 99% safe I should say.
Unless you're a warrior who can't ward for shit.

[Mogonis]

Official: GM Coase on... 04-11-2010 01:43 PM You don't even stick to the third floor, you're not allowed to bitch about dying.
Yeah. You're right. Nothing that casts is on the second floor.

I'm not even capped. Gonna neg rep me for that as well?

[Lord Orbstar]

I think Coase makes sense.

What if dark orcs hadn't been converted to the new treasure system and were still dropping 25-30lb boxes regularly, and someone was farming through those?

I'd fully expect the loophole, which is what myklians were, to be closed sooner or later, especially if someone was generating a retarded amount of silver by farming the obviously flawed operation.

agreed. it was cheese silver and free exp for the empath whore. glad they killed it. sad i didnt think of doing it too.

[crb]

It isn't like they were exploiting something that was otherwise unintended/unknown.

Still though, good fix.

I think the best analogy would be to Simmer.

Simmer didn't cheat, he just used a game system beyond the norm, beyond the expectation, and showed how there was a design flaw in it, and it got fixed. He got to keep all his xp.

On the other side were the people who did the ranger rod to pawnshop manuever, whom were all banned.

Mechanics abuse is perhaps a thin line.

The empath learning thing though is a stupid change to make, on that one critter. It isn't as if there aren't numerous other critters, including one right next door to myklians, that also hurt people when skinning or searching or dying. Are you going to change all of them? Or only the skinnable ones?

[Skeeter]

I love the someone else was smarter and more motivated than me, so they should be punished set.

The guy goes to an area to hunt things that nobody else wants to bother with and gets a nerf for his trouble. Their skins should cost more since they are 1. so hard to reach, and 2. a pita to skin unless you bring a group. Any high level character could've done this. The system has been fine for 15 years. I also do not like effectively changing the game to spite one person.

The Coase post implied to me that there was discussion of ripping this guys silver and exp. even though they did nothing wrong. Of course they didn't but the idea that it was bandied about as a proper way to treat your paying base bothers me too.

[nub]

I love the someone else was smarter and more motivated than me, so they should be punished set.

The guy goes to an area to hunt things that nobody else wants to bother with and gets a nerf for his trouble. Their skins should cost more since they are 1. so hard to reach, and 2. a pita to skin unless you bring a group. Any high level character could've done this. The system has been fine for 15 years. I also do not like effectively changing the game to spite one person.

The Coase post implied to me that there was discussion of ripping this guys silver and exp. even though they did nothing wrong. Of course they didn't but the idea that it was bandied about as a proper way to treat your paying base bothers me too.

The system obviously wasn't fine for 15 years, it took that long to figure out it wasn't. That's why they changed the treasure system, remember that?

[Skeeter]

Um... Huh?

They've been making enough decisions that made a lot of sense recently to get at least a little bit of leeway, in my opinion. And to change something that was unbalanced, no matter what angle you look at it? Ugh. Find something legit to whine about. God knows there's plenty still around.

Yeah simu has been a bastion of intelligent player base decisions. Why look at all the extra revenue their stellar customer service has generated in new subscriptions.... oh wait.

For a game that is in decline it seems like an odd decision to go out of your way to piss off your paying members. Even if it is only 1 person at a time.

[Skeeter]

The system obviously wasn't fine for 15 years, it took that long to figure out it wasn't. That's why they changed the treasure system, remember that?

The some people have too much money so lets take money away from everyone approach? Yeah I remember that.

I guess I'm not a big fan of everything has to be exactly the same. Game balance only makes for boring games imo. Within reason of course. You can't have something so unbalanced it takes the fun away from other people. Making fat cake on myklians only bothered the crybabies.

[Stunseed]

Maybe he'll cancel his other two accounts now, since he is so mad at GS!

[nub]

To tell you the truth, it really doesn't bother me what people do, I really don't care as long as it doesn't affect me. I just want a 10x waraxe. I tried hunting those guys once, and it didn't go well. Although it did go ok when I hunted as a rogue at some point. But they really do suck to travel out to.

But I also understand why they did what they did.

[nub]

" Official: GM Coase on... 04-11-2010 02:47 PM I bet you would feel differnt if it was you. Fucking moron."

lol... yeah I guess I would huh... Except I don't do things like that (which is fine, not judging), so I wouldn't know how it would feel to have me taking advantage of a system then not have that advantage anymore would feel like. Don't forget to spread your hate around so that you can rep me again, then sign it.

FYI I don't neg rep people, I postive rep them if I have something I want to say to them that I don't like, then I don't sign. I only sign if I want my ego stroked if I want them to know that I positive repped them.

[Drew]

This is a good change for everyone who has any silvers. The more someone farms the less valuable yours are. I would have preferred they keep myklians the same just lower the gen rate a ton, but overall this is a good change.

[ZeP]

I feel like Simu is sort of arguing with itself on the silver issue. You can pay them for multiple accounts, you can play anytime, there is treasure constantly genning, but please don't take too much, k?

I find it hard to believe he was earning more silver from NPCs than some of the MA armies would be able to do with just normal hunting.

The healing thing seems like an overreaction. Empaths have been able to level without danger as long as anyone has been playing.

They also ruined the area from the perspective of the average hunter.

[Loyrl]

Would it have been faster to do this with major glacie* (spelling sucks) and their higher spawn rate?

[Drew]

They also ruined the area from the perspective of the average hunter.

We'll see, obviously the area is under incredible pressure right now from how many he sold recently. Maybe after a while the prices will rebound.

[phantasm]

http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?t=49878


AIM: GS4 Kizun or send a PM.


Gone!

1-19m (8 per)
20m+ (7.50 per)


Please have a verified paypal account with a confirmed shipping address.

Not sure if this is related.

[Kuyuk]

I stepped away for a day and look what happens.

All hell broke loose!


So, here's the honest scoop.


PRO's:
You could make 3m silvers.
You could have an empath learn because they caused wounds.

CON's:
They had an extremely low generation rate.
-- You had to bring 4-6 characters.
-- It would take 6-8 hours to earn that 3m.
They cause a wound when you skin them, and they cause a wound when you search them. (Pro & Con)
-- This means more experience, but it also means more time spent healing.


Basically, to put it as simple as possible. I had a level 100 Ranger with 95 ranks of Blessing Lores (10% bonus) and I had a level 100 Empath with maximum trading, influence and enhancives. (15%-20% bonus) I also had citizenship in Solhaven where I sold the skins. (5% bonus)

This allowed me to kill quickly (Ranger Archery), heal the wounds quickly (Capped empath, max Lores) and sell for the maximum value.


After 6-8 hours of straight farming, non-stop, you could earn 3m.
Don't forget though, after 3 hours, you have to stop and refresh your spells, or you get hit by a random flare and die. (OTF style)
On the way in and out, you have to kneel and crawl through Magru's, who have an acid crit attack that kills instantly. You also can't fog out of the area, or drag out of the area. So if you don't have a cleric to come to you, you decay.

And finally, you had to have several extremely large containers to even carry all the skins. Each character has a pin worn tunic (140/8), a cloak (140/8) and a belt worn VLA bag (120/6).


So, you decide if it was such a horrible thing or not.

My last statement is: You can still make 3m in the same time period on other creatures. This was the ONLY creature in the landing that you could earn 3m from in this time period.

My biggest complaint is about that, that I now have to change towns, because they can't figure out a skinning system that is equal to everyone at all levels of the game.



Somehow I find it hard to believe that you would bring a lvl 100/95 +2-4 others in for a 3m run for 6 hours of work. Specially if it was 'on the clock' (read non-afk), scripting.

I would like to know how much you made from your time perfecting this until they shut it down, bet it was a nice pretty penny for it to be 60% of all skin values.

[BriarFox]

Sylvancode is Kizun. He goes by Inspire here on the PC.


[red bar] Official: GM Coase on... 04-11-2010 03:18 PM What a bitch move, honestly. Let's be the first to tattle to mommy.

Whine, whine. Bitch, bitch. Own up to your actions. Hell, most people on the PC don't care if you're exploiting something anyway; they're just jealous they didn't get in on the action. Also, your metaphor doesn't make any sense. Congratulations.

[mgoddess]

On the way in and out, you have to kneel and crawl through Magru's, who have an acid crit attack that kills instantly. You also can't fog out of the area, or drag out of the area. So if you don't have a cleric to come to you, you decay.
If your level 100 characters need spells to not get hit by a level 37 creature, you're clearly doing it wrong.

[nub]

If your level 100 characters need spells to not get hit by a level 37 creature, you're clearly doing it wrong.

Doing what wrong? Hunting there? When you kneel and crawl through the rooms i'm pretty sure you get RT while those buggers are sitting in the room. Why wouldn't you make sure there was 100% safety?

[nub]

" Official: GM Coase on... 04-11-2010 05:16 PM I would do you. literally and sexually. "

wtf!

[BigWorm]

" Official: GM Coase on... 04-11-2010 05:16 PM I would do you. literally and sexually. "

wtf!

That was from me. Let me know if you're down.

[Methais]

None of this would be necessary if they just made loot based on the critter's level.

There's no reason why a level 20 anything should be able to drop better loot than something 90+.

[StrayRogue]

You could make much more money much quicker in other areas, on skins alone, than myklins.

[Lumi]

Would it have been faster to do this with major glacie* (spelling sucks) and their higher spawn rate?

No way. They already nerfed those gems so that they max out at 1500 per gem. Considering the time and mana it takes to purify one completely, it's really not that impressive.

Myklian scales were worth 4k without any extra time/mana put into the acquisition process, that was what made the whole thing sexy.

[Mistomeer]

You could make much more money much quicker in other areas, on skins alone, than myklins.

Agreed. I've made much more than that, but there's no learning for an empath involved.

As others mentioned, you can make more just hunting in areas like OTF. I don't have a problem with the nerf, but I really don't see a need for it.

[Latrinsorm]

So, you decide if it was such a horrible thing or not.I believe the phrase Coase used was "not in the overall game's best interest", not "such a horrible thing".
You could make much more money much quicker in other areas, on skins alone, than myklins.That seems pretty unlikely if you believe Coase when he says this person accounted for 60% of all skin money in the game, unless we also suppose that no one else in the game much cares for silvers.

[StrayRogue]

3 million in 6-8 hours is low. It's all about efficiency, and catching the area while the skin value is at it's highest.

Consider you could kill critter X in 3 seconds, skin/loot it, then move on to kill others in an area that semi-swarms. Endless mana. No risk (save being AFK pulled), and you could do 1 million in an hour, probably more. That's how I got 120 million in a matter of months. Just farmed two areas with two characters.

[yesicj]

Doing what wrong? Hunting there? When you kneel and crawl through the rooms i'm pretty sure you get RT while those buggers are sitting in the room. Why wouldn't you make sure there was 100% safety?

Nope, no RT in the kneeling rooms.

EDIT: unless that was fairly recently changed.

[Stunseed]

< That's how I got 120 million in a matter of months. Just farmed two areas with two characters. >

I was around when he did the one area, and just half-assedly skinning like a normal person, no scripting, etc I pulled a few million going behind him.

[BigWorm]

3 million in 6-8 hours is low. It's all about efficiency, and catching the area while the skin value is at it's highest.

Consider you could kill critter X in 3 seconds, skin/loot it, then move on to kill others in an area that semi-swarms. Endless mana. No risk (save being AFK pulled), and you could do 1 million in an hour, probably more. That's how I got 120 million in a matter of months. Just farmed two areas with two characters.

Kizun's statement about how much he pulled and Coase's comments about the haul being 60% of all skins sold don't jive. At least one of them is "exaggerating" IMHO.

[Fallen]

Kizun's statement about how much he pulled and Coase's comments about the haul being 60% of all skins sold don't jive. At least one of them is "exaggerating" IMHO.

Agreed. Even running his script 24-7, the numbers aren't all that impressive.

[AestheticDeath]

Well unless Inspire found some sort of exploit or something, he is probably spot on with what he made per hour. I recall scripting that area a few years back and made pretty close to those numbers just using two guys.

At that time Drizzsdt was doing it too. I had to time my hunting to not be there when he was.

But I agree that the empath exp is the problem, as I made sure back then not to get exp on my empath as it was sort of bandied about by some that it was abuse even if not technically. I recall someone being pulled and warned about that when I was in the area.

They probably just changed the skin values to make sure no one in their right mind would ever fucking go to myklians again...

That 60% number seems odd though, unless almost no one else is skinning to make coins now.

And I could be wrong, but I seem to recall it was a max of like 6 mobs per X minutes, like maybe 3? Though some said you could increase the spawn rate with more people. Spawn rate was the most limiting factor in that area.

[phantasm]

This entire thing is a little depressing.
I understand that I make pitiful amounts of silver.
Now it is entirely too clear that there is an active GM task force ensuring that I will never make too much silver.
I'm sure that every silver I earn is just barely keeping up with inflation to guarantee I'm still as poor at the end as I was at the start.
Ensuring that the only way to beat inflation would be to invest more dollars.

Just canceled my account.

[Latrinsorm]

Agreed. Even running his script 24-7, the numbers aren't all that impressive.It sounds to me like he was doing approximately that, while other people who make X bajillion silvers per hour are doing so for significantly shorter periods. If we suppose a more modest 14/7, that's an average of 42 million a week. Strayrogue getting 120 million in months (let's say 3) only works out to about 10 million a week. From there, it's not nearly as far to get to 60% in any particular week.

[Fallen]

If you're playing for 14 hours a day, you deserve to be a rich bastard IG, as your oog life is going to blow. This is assuming you're not af scripting, which I imagine kizun wasn't.

[Drew]

This entire thing is a little depressing.
I understand that I make pitiful amounts of silver.
Now it is entirely too clear that there is an active GM task force ensuring that I will never make too much silver.
I'm sure that every silver I earn is just barely keeping up with inflation to guarantee I'm still as poor at the end as I was at the start.
Ensuring that the only way to beat inflation would be to invest more dollars.

Just canceled my account.


You realize by doing this the GMs are protecting the silvers you make, not the other way around? The only way this could possibly be bad for you is if you were making MORE silvers in myklians than he was. I highly doubt that though.

[Kithor]

You realize by doing this the GMs are protecting the silvers you make, not the other way around? The only way this could possibly be bad for you is if you were making MORE silvers in myklians than he was. I highly doubt that though.

unfortunately too many people *don't* realize that stopping or minimizing inflation means stopping and minimizing easy silver making. Any method a casual player can put 2 hours into to get silvers someone with more time can put 10x the hours into. If there's significantly better places to earn silvers that those with more time know about, the silver gap just gets worse over time.

[Tolwynn]

Throttling down silver input is only half of the equation, and it's only going to piss people off if it's the only half addressed. You need an effective way to completely remove silver from the game as well, and they still have a long way to go on that.

[Drew]

Throttling down silver input is only half of the equation, and it's only going to piss people off if it's the only half addressed. You need an effective way to completely remove silver from the game as well, and they still have a long way to go on that.

Welcome to a fiat economy.

On a semi-serious note: Gemstone actually has a fairly good method of controlling inflation and that is players leaving the game. The reason FGB still costs about the same as it cost 5 years ago is that even though there is still inflation there are more suits of FGB per player than there was 5 years ago.

There will never be a way to build "silver sinks" in the game that effectively balance input and output because you have to design them so that the most casual player doesn't get disgusted by them. You could put in a max silvers per day mechanism or something similar but then you'll have players like Phantasm who just - apparently - quit because he has a limited grasp of economics. 10 farmers would get 95% of the silvers for that day and the other players would get a pittance. This is what happens currently as well, people just don't realize it.

[StrayRogue]

Kizun's statement about how much he pulled and Coase's comments about the haul being 60% of all skins sold don't jive. At least one of them is "exaggerating" IMHO.

I think it's pretty obvious: I was doing this when the average players online was closer to 600. Not 200.

[Delias]

I've been playing on and off since the AOL days. I have always been relatively broke, because I never concentrated my efforts on making coin. I've been doing a fair amount of buying, selling, and trading in the last year or so, and have been finally starting to feel mildly wealthy... but this really just drives home that my perception of wealthy is pretty much a joke, compared to the reality of the game. Uh, I guess reality is probably not the right word to use, since it isn't real, but you know what I mean. Even richer than I've ever been, I'm still poor as fuck. Oh well.

[Kuyuk]

There should be random bank robberies by NPC's.

Have places where robbers take a % of all silver in said bank.. like everyone that has coin in landing lose 20%...

TAKE THAT ECONOMY!

[Showal]

There should be random bank robberies by NPC's.

Have places where robbers take a % of all silver in said bank.. like everyone that has coin in landing lose 20%...

TAKE THAT ECONOMY!

If you fail a bandit task, the bandits should drag you shackled back to town, force you to make a sizeable withdrawal and hand it over to them.

[Kitsun]

This entire thing is a little depressing.
I understand that I make pitiful amounts of silver.
Now it is entirely too clear that there is an active GM task force ensuring that I will never make too much silver.
I'm sure that every silver I earn is just barely keeping up with inflation to guarantee I'm still as poor at the end as I was at the start.
Ensuring that the only way to beat inflation would be to invest more dollars.

Just canceled my account.

I just laughed so hard I peed a little. Out of the entire time I've been playing, this is the one rare occurrance where someone has pushed the line of use/abuse so hard he got something nerfed. Unless you were going to break out your 10 man, capped MA, silver farming, face-humping group to myklians, I doubt you were ever going to step over that line.

[BigWorm]

This entire thing is a little depressing.
I understand that I make pitiful amounts of silver.
Now it is entirely too clear that there is an active GM task force ensuring that I will never make too much silver.
I'm sure that every silver I earn is just barely keeping up with inflation to guarantee I'm still as poor at the end as I was at the start.
Ensuring that the only way to beat inflation would be to invest more dollars.

Just canceled my account.

Good riddance, dumbfuck.

[Nuc]

There should be random bank robberies by NPC's.

Have places where robbers take a % of all silver in said bank.. like everyone that has coin in landing lose 20%...

TAKE THAT ECONOMY!

I remember there being a bank robbery event in the landing many years ago but I don't think anyone actually lost any silvers.

[Amber]

This entire thing is a little depressing.
I understand that I make pitiful amounts of silver.
Now it is entirely too clear that there is an active GM task force ensuring that I will never make too much silver.
I'm sure that every silver I earn is just barely keeping up with inflation to guarantee I'm still as poor at the end as I was at the start.
Ensuring that the only way to beat inflation would be to invest more dollars.

Just canceled my account.

You canceled your account because a system somebody else was using as a get rich quick scheme was nerfed???

You say that you make pitiful amounts of silver, just barely keeping up with inflation. By stopping one person from garnering 60% of the hide sales, they're actually stabilizing inflation, protecting everybody else from a falsely inflated economy. Also, how can you play and not wind up with excess silvers? I lost all but 5000 silvers on my main playing Dragonbones a month or so ago (intentionally, as I was using Dragonbones to decide if I should cancel my seldom used account or not. If I'd lost everything, I was going to cancel, but I didn't quite manage it.) I digress though. I've CASUALLY hunted three times since then and now have 300k in the bank. I'm not rich, in game, by any means now, but 300k is more than enough to buy almost anything I want. Point I'm trying to make is that if I can average 100k per hunt, I think anyone (ok, anyone over 30 trains anyway) should be able to, which would quickly result in non-pitiful amounts of silver.

[Drew]

I remember there being a bank robbery event in the landing many years ago but I don't think anyone actually lost any silvers.

Kobold bank robbers. One of the more fondly remembered "quests".

[RichardCranium]

Kobold bank robbers. One of the more fondly remembered "quests".

Yea, it was one of Stump's storylines. No one actually lost anything though.

[Archigeek]

except many of the richest people don't even keep their coins in the bank for precisely this reason. A more realistic silver drain would be the ability to charge enhancives with silvers constantly instead of their gay one one deal.

^ This. ^

I hate the Pavlovian nature of the adventurer's guild. We are not rats in a cage!

Also, there is a way to lose all your coins if you have a coin hand. All you have to do is leave it open by accident, and get navved. A friend of mine did this once. The process of leaving the healers on Teras snuffed the messaging, and they used the ring right outside and poof. Goodbye 10 million silvers. Oops.

[phantasm]

I'm no economics expert, thanks Amber and Drew for making the justification for this clear.

Just canceled the cancellation.

BigWorm will be thrilled.

[Cephalopod]

Phantasm's sarcasm borders on trolling. He's quite good, and it's amusing to see all of you thinking he's serious.

+rep to phantasm for effective internets.

[Bhuryn]

Man I wish I could skin. The sheer number of silvers generated through skinning really makes me consider making my empath my main focus.

[mgoddess]

There should be random bank robberies by NPC's.

Have places where robbers take a % of all silver in said bank.. like everyone that has coin in landing lose 20%...

TAKE THAT ECONOMY!
Fuck that. I only have 2.5 million silvers, total... trying to save up so I can get some decent armor. 20% of that is a damned good chunk of change, especially when I only make 30k a hunt.

Maybe I need to go on a serious skinning spree and say fuck-it-all to trying to level.

[Methais]

Out of the entire time I've been playing, this is the one rare occurrance where someone has pushed the line of use/abuse so hard he got something nerfed.

I can assure you it's not the first time.

Pretty sure I got 516 and 517 nerfed pretty hard from all the mass recharging/leeching I did back in the day in pookas.

The halfling cleric infusing parties are probably what got Enchant and Well of Life nerfed too, but a lot of people were doing that.

[StrayRogue]

Khaladon got enchanting changed. Well not single-handedly, but he certainly played a role. Ciston broke Thalior's staff. Tsin ruined the crystal ball. Numerous players got the immo weapons nerfed time and time again.

[Kitsun]

I can assure you it's not the first time.

Pretty sure I got 516 and 517 nerfed pretty hard from all the mass recharging/leeching I did back in the day in pookas.

The halfling cleric infusing parties are probably what got Enchant and Well of Life nerfed too, but a lot of people were doing that.

I probably should've been more specific in that someone's hunting tactics forced a change.

[ThatDamnTep]

Eh, not really. Skins were put on pressure during the build up to the second run of the Foehn's Promise event due to people pulling the same crap on the Lake in Solhaven. They were at it all day every day and making bank on the centaur skins etc.

Tep

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

It's not a nerf anyway, it's putting the creatures who weren't on the economic sliding scale ONTO it. Why would the furrier continually pay a flat amount for those scales, if he had a billion of them? It's a good fix.

The removal of the hand wounds giving experience is the nerf part, only if you were using it to fry your empath. I personally always thought that was a mechanics bug and never did it. I skinned with my empath so I didn't learn anything.

Frankly I used to think this attitude of the GMs are out to get you only existed in GS, but having played WoW for over a year now, I realize people get their hate on whenever there's a patch there also. WoW just handles it better I think, by basically continually looking at the game balance and adjusting through well communicated patches.

Gemstone just patches with no up front warning, and then gets backlash, backpeddles some and repatches or provides a missive around how your post was sure mean, you big poopy head. Frankly I think they should do patches (communicated in advance) and tell everyone to pound sand. It's a close community, true, but a lot of them are babies. I know I was one whenever my shit got nerfed.

[kookiegod]

Khaladon got enchanting changed. Well not single-handedly, but he certainly played a role. Ciston broke Thalior's staff. Tsin ruined the crystal ball. Numerous players got the immo weapons nerfed time and time again.

Meh, wasn't just Daeffodill, Psionix, Tenser, Irathra. It was pretty common. Heck, I didn't even have a wizard then. Daeffy had like 10 accounts with clerics, and I had access to Elena who had insane mana share for the time and the system hadn't expanded with the time to accomodate the high levels people were seeing and multiple accounts. We were organized for sure, so were many other enchanting groups. And god was it boring infusing for 5-8 hours once a week.

~Paul

[AMUSED1]

The combination of Angellisa (empath) and Edgeleaf for infusing was pretty awe shocking the few times I saw it. If I remember right at the time Angellisa was easily in her 200s level wise, if not close to breaking 300.

[StrayRogue]

280 I think. That's 840 mana. Not counting wracking...

[Buckwheet]

When I infused with Edge he also had his slave bard(Blackjack?) and a cleric for Well and more mana.

[Methais]

Blackjack was a ranger.

[Buckwheet]

Yeah I sort of lost track of who Brad(The Edge I knew) played,owned or had access to...

It all started to blur together.

[nub]

Angellisa gestures at a shiny black banaltra.
CS: +1205 - TD: +1125 + CvA: +25 + d100: +22 == +127
Warding failed!
A shiny black banaltra suddenly stops all movement.




A shiny black banaltra swings a closed fist at Xenosphere!
AS: +196 vs DS: +1079 with AvD: +4 + d100 roll: +87 = -792
A clean miss.

[StrayRogue]

I miss Xeno. He was good people.

[Methais]

Angellisa gestures at a shiny black banaltra.
CS: +1205 - TD: +1125 + CvA: +25 + d100: +22 == +127
Warding failed!
A shiny black banaltra suddenly stops all movement.

I think the banaltra storyline fiasco is the main reason for them putting in a level cap. I never totally bought that divide by 0 game breaking thing or whatever it was that Simu said would happen when someone reached level 300.

[nub]

Not sure what level that meant Angellisa was there. That was in an old e-mail to myself December 2, 2000

[Fallen]

I think the banaltra storyline fiasco is the main reason for them putting in a level cap. I never totally bought that divide by 0 game breaking thing or whatever it was that Simu said would happen when someone reached level 300.

I thought that error had to do with the fame system. Still, that's one insane CS. I can't blame them for taking steps to shrink the level range, but I do think they went way, way too far. Past level 100, they just should have said 1 mill per level. It wouldn't increase the profession based caps on skill training, just give you stat growth and more general maneuver defense/offense.

Edited to add: Keep the 2.5k TP system the same too.

[BigWorm]

I think the banaltra storyline fiasco is the main reason for them putting in a level cap. I never totally bought that divide by 0 game breaking thing or whatever it was that Simu said would happen when someone reached level 300.

Supposedly there was a formula that involved a calculation something like <something> / ( 100 - (LEVEL / 3) ) to figure out a percentage. I am thinking maybe on-node vs off-node exp pulse? Been a while.

[BigWorm]

I thought that error had to do with the fame system. Still, that's one insane CS. I can't blame them for taking steps to shrink the level range, but I do think they went way, way too far. Past level 100, they just should have said 1 mill per level. It wouldn't increase the profession based caps on skill training, just give you stat growth and more general maneuver defense/offense.

Edited to add: Keep the 2.5k TP system the same too.

There was a fame system nerf, but I am pretty sure that was separate from the break-the-game-by-dividing-by-zero problem. Didn't they cut everyone's fame down by a factor of 10 or something? That may also have been when they made it so you couldn't get fame from critters you couldn't learn from but that may have come later.

[StrayRogue]

It was the level. Fame was ruled by Tarakan back then. It was nerfed because of the way he farmed it. IIRC you didn't/don't get fame for picking or healing. Which is why Drizzsdt and co. never were at the top of the list, despite being 240+ in level.

[Bobmuhthol]

It's so hard to write formulas that involve piecewise functions HOLY SHIT PUT IN A LEVEL CAP OR WE'RE FUCKED!

[Methais]

There was a fame system nerf, but I am pretty sure that was separate from the break-the-game-by-dividing-by-zero problem. Didn't they cut everyone's fame down by a factor of 10 or something? That may also have been when they made it so you couldn't get fame from critters you couldn't learn from but that may have come later.

Tarakan broke the fame system to the point where his fame had to be manually updated by a GM if I remember right.

So instead of fixing the system, they cut everyone's fame and fame values of critters down by 90%.

[StrayRogue]

They don't make em like they used to: http://zilal.byondhome.com/gs3/culture/gembanaltra7.html

[Drew]

For some reason 286 sticks in my head as the magic level that would have broke the game.

[Bobmuhthol]

That's not even divisible by 3.

[Drew]

That's not even divisible by 3.

Was that the error? Anyway, my memory should not be trusted.

[Bobmuhthol]

Nah, I'm just fucking with you because of BigWorm's formula.

[TheEschaton]

They don't make em like they used to: http://zilal.byondhome.com/gs3/culture/gembanaltra7.html

That's the feithidmhor that my cleric couldn't even get to in the Landing, lol. He was the first team cleric for the Landing excursion, I had dreams for weeks where I was like "Rhad, cast Breeze." We got stuck on the part where you had to swing over on the root, lol.


Ah, the good old days, that was when I was a sophomore in college.

[Methais]

I like how they said Drizzsdt ruined the storyline by killing a boss that was supposed to be unkillable.

I'm sure the GM not setting its defense numbers high enough has nothing to do with it though.

[Soulpieced]

Fame was coded in some factor of 32-bits, meaning the highest theoretical fame you could have was 2,147,483,647 (assuming it started in the negative value range, otherwise, it could have been double that), which Tarakan hit at some point. Divide by 10, and you have fame the way it is now.

[WRoss]

^ This. ^

I hate the Pavlovian nature of the adventurer's guild. We are not rats in a cage!

Also, there is a way to lose all your coins if you have a coin hand. All you have to do is leave it open by accident, and get navved. A friend of mine did this once. The process of leaving the healers on Teras snuffed the messaging, and they used the ring right outside and poof. Goodbye 10 million silvers. Oops.

I'm surprised they didn't lose more. 10m isn't much for a coin hand.


Man I wish I could skin. The sheer number of silvers generated through skinning really makes me consider making my empath my main focus.

Skinning is really easy, especially in areas where it swarms. I've taken the approach that volume of skins will make more money than skinning the high value areas where you can't get a skin every 2-3 seconds. . In areas like lions, bears, caribou, wolverines...etc you can easily make 500k+ an hour just running around skinning.

[waywardgs]

They don't make em like they used to: http://zilal.byondhome.com/gs3/culture/gembanaltra7.html

That log is win.

[BigWorm]

Fame was coded in some factor of 32-bits, meaning the highest theoretical fame you could have was 2,147,483,647 (assuming it started in the negative value range, otherwise, it could have been double that), which Tarakan hit at some point. Divide by 10, and you have fame the way it is now.

I don't know why you'd use a signed int instead of an unsigned one for something like fame, but hey its Simu we're talking about here.

[Ryvicke]

That log is win.

God if they ever could pull something like this together again (but make it work), I think everyone playing might poop their pants.

[Methais]

God if they ever could pull something like this together again (but make it work), I think everyone playing might poop their pants.

You mean they don't already? I know I do.

[SpiffyJr]

God if they ever could pull something like this together again (but make it work), I think everyone playing might poop their pants.

Impossible. There's not enough players left...

[Skeeter]

They don't make em like they used to: http://zilal.byondhome.com/gs3/culture/gembanaltra7.html

That was a fun event. Epic characters made the game. When everyone is basically the same there's nothing to strive for.

I dislike the hard cap for this reason, and I dislike the lack of truly epic items. They really should rethink this stance especially with the lower playerbase.

[waywardgs]

That was a fun event. Epic characters made the game. When everyone is basically the same there's nothing to strive for.

I dislike the hard cap for this reason, and I dislike the lack of truly epic items. They really should rethink this stance especially with the lower playerbase.

Couldn't agree more. Pandering to the lowest common denominator has never been a good idea.

[Celephais]

I think the banaltra storyline fiasco is the main reason for them putting in a level cap. I never totally bought that divide by 0 game breaking thing or whatever it was that Simu said would happen when someone reached level 300.


For some reason 286 sticks in my head as the magic level that would have broke the game.
The formula for EXP absorbtion was based on your level, and it was a set amount and a percent, so while a division by zero would occur at 300, it actually got to 100% slightly before 300 (And your Disc/Log/Int would determine how much before 300).

Anyway if the division by zero didn't happen they still had the problem of insanely fast leveling once you got over a certain point.

I'm sure changing the formula was considered (and it was changed in GS4 anyway), but for all the other reasons they stated they didn't go that route.

[Archigeek]

"Mnoeme gestures at Drizzsdt.
The glazed look leaves Drizzsdt."

You have to give Mnoeme props for that heads up move. And it really was an awesome event.

[Archigeek]

I like how they said Drizzsdt ruined the storyline by killing a boss that was supposed to be unkillable.

I'm sure the GM not setting its defense numbers high enough has nothing to do with it though.

The GM in charge, (Bradach), of that event never said Driz ruined the event. That wasn't the problem. The problem was that the area affect that was stunning everyone wasn't potent enough. It was pretty much supposed to be fatal. Honestly though, if he hadn't said a word we'd have never known. A lesson well learned I suspect.

That event was probably the most carefully planned and well executed event ever. Everything went off pretty darn well.

[Archigeek]

Also, Drizzsdt wasn't the only one to kill faethidmore's at the surface. Reife also killed one or two of the five. Teras isle was the only group that managed to slay theirs underground if I remember right.

[Methais]

All I remembered hearing was ZOMG DRIZZSDT RUINED EVERYTHING!!!!!!!QQQQQQ, probably from whiny players that were mad they weren't 250+ and in the spotlight.

Either way, if their attacks weren't strong enough, that's the GM's fault too, not the fact that there were level 250+ people running around.

[Fallen]

Meh, instead you have Arkati's handing out wizzbang cool sickles to players to go kill the big baddie instead of them just doing it themselves. Nothing against anyone involved in that storyline, but it just means players can take less into their own hands.

[Methais]

Meh, instead you have Arkati's handing out wizzbang cool sickles to players to go kill the big baddie instead of them just doing it themselves. Nothing against anyone involved in that storyline, but it just means players can take less into their own hands.

There's never been a storyline where players could really take anything into their own hands.

While I haven't paid much attention to the last batch of storylines, I don't recall one event ever where a player's action furthered the storyline without a GM on the other side pushing a button. Unless the GM running it was on, nothing anyone could do would have an effect on the story.

[Fallen]

There's never been a storyline where players could really take anything into their own hands.

While I haven't paid much attention to the last batch of storylines, I don't recall one event ever where a player's action furthered the storyline without a GM on the other side pushing a button. Unless the GM running it was on, nothing anyone could do would have an effect on the story.

As you pointed out, Drizzdt (and co) put the storyline in their own hands. Heh. Other than that? I could name instances where players killed NPCs, and therefor ended the storyline, but you could say that the NPC was supposed to die, and he had to show up to be killed. How would you suggest a storyline be created to have a situation where a player could influence/further it, without the GM atleast starting the storyline?

[Methais]

As you pointed out, Drizzdt (and co) put the storyline in their own hands. Heh. Other than that? I could name instances where players killed NPCs, and therefor ended the storyline, but you could say that the NPC was supposed to die, and he had to show up to be killed. How would you suggest a storyline be created to have a situation where a player could influence/further it, without the GM atleast starting the storyline?

Off the top of my head, have something hidden somewhere with some hints about it given by a GM NPC. When found, brought to a certain place, worn, etc., it would trigger X event that causes the next part of the storyline to take place. Or maybe have it trigger a flag to the GMs that it's time to log in their l33t storyline character. Have it documented as to what the NPC is there to do, so that any GM that's online can log it in without fucking the whole thing up.

Instead of GM actions triggering the players, let player actions trigger the GMs.

That way the story can be advanced at any given time, not when the GMs decide it's time to advance it. Maybe have it cause a game wide message so people will know some shit is about to happen.

[Fallen]

Off the top of my head, have something hidden somewhere with some hints about it given by a GM NPC. When found, brought to a certain place, worn, etc., it would trigger X event that causes the next part of the storyline to take place. Or maybe have it trigger a flag to the GMs that it's time to log in their l33t storyline character. Have it documented as to what the NPC is there to do, so that any GM that's online can log it in without fucking the whole thing up.

Instead of GM actions triggering the players, let player actions trigger the GMs.

That way the story can be advanced at any given time, not when the GMs decide it's time to advance it. Maybe have it cause a game wide message so people will know some shit is about to happen.

I think the Platinum rings quest worked like this, but i'm not sure. You could have an invasion where a leader creature is carrying an item, but then people would scream about having to be high level. What you're describing is basicallly Commune. Players decide when to commune, and about what, and to which Arkati. While a different Arkati can respond, it is really the player that is dictating the RP, and the GM just responds in kind. I don't know why people hate on Commune. I love that spell.

[AnticorRifling]

How did we go from skinning to the feed it more quest?

[Lord Orbstar]

They are violating TOS, you should lock this thread and warn them to remain on topic.


Oh, are you lookin for a board moderator? I used to do that for the Vn with Dark Age of Camelot. My ban stick and ep33n were large. Help me, help you.

[Methais]

I don't know why people hate on Commune. I love that spell.

Probably because the GMs never answer it.


How did we go from skinning to the feed it more quest?

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a162/DoyleHargraves/Clipboard01-45.jpg

[StrayRogue]

That was a fun event. Epic characters made the game. When everyone is basically the same there's nothing to strive for.

I dislike the hard cap for this reason, and I dislike the lack of truly epic items. They really should rethink this stance especially with the lower playerbase.

I totally agree. There are no more hero's. Just annoying losers.

The same can be said of WoW. Back in vanilla someone in full t3 was not to be trifled with. Now even noobs like AD can get top tier gear.

[Celephais]

It's too bad shattered isn't GS3 + the bounty system.

[Methais]

It's too bad shattered isn't GS3 + the bounty system.

Not that it'd ever happen, but I wonder how quickly the playerbase would shift if they rolled out GS3 again as a whole new subscription, totally separate from a GS4 subscription (but letting you transfer characters that existed at the time of the GS3 > GS4 shift).

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

Probably because the GMs never answer it.

I do recall Eorgina answering a commune and wreaking havoc on everyone present in a relatively torturous fashion. That was pretty awesome.

[Fallen]

I do recall Eorgina answering a commune and wreaking havoc on everyone present in a relatively torturous fashion. That was pretty awesome.

Of the Communes i've done and/or been involved with, all were answered to pretty badass results. It helps to announce you're going to do one a few days ahead, and plan a lengthy ritual. My personal favorite was having Arachne break the RR Sanct, and flood the area with spiders.

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

Of the Communes i've done and/or been involved with, all were answered to pretty badass results. It helps to announce you're going to do one a few days ahead, and plan a lengthy ritual. My personal favorite was having Arachne break the RR Sanct, and flood the area with spiders.

Yeah, I think when commune was released they said that the more people/more elaborate and well-thought out of a commune ceremony done the more likelihood of a response. Which makes sense- if you're trying to commune with a God and get them to show themself you wouldn't just cast it anywhere with the intent of "Give me one million silver!" unless you wanted to get blasted into smithereens and then ignored, which I'm sure has also happened.

[Methais]

if you're trying to commune with a God and get them to show themself you wouldn't just cast it anywhere with the intent of "Give me one million silver!" unless you wanted to get blasted into smithereens and then ignored, which I'm sure has also happened.

>prep 330
>cast

>yell I want a broadsword!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I don't see anything wrong with that.

[AnticorRifling]

And the award for "Best name change in a quoted by" goes to Methais.

[crb]

Of the Communes i've done and/or been involved with, all were answered to pretty badass results. It helps to announce you're going to do one a few days ahead, and plan a lengthy ritual. My personal favorite was having Arachne break the RR Sanct, and flood the area with spiders.

Who needs to do a commune? I once spent some time desecrating Luukos' temple in the cliffs area. Pissed Blades off royally, but we kept doing it, running open voids and open maelstroms by the altar, the idea being they were tearing up the room. Eventually Luukos showed up.

[Methais]

Who needs to do a commune?

COMMUNISTS!


I once spent some time desecrating Luukos' temple in the cliffs area. Pissed Blades off royally, but we kept doing it, running open voids and open maelstroms by the altar, the idea being they were tearing up the room. Eventually Luukos showed up.

These days that would probably get you banned even if nobody else was in the area. http://www.cheersandgears.com/public/style_emoticons/default/facepalm.gif

[Asrial]

Fucking Methais and his fucking gif ;)

[Asrial]

Teras isle was the only group that managed to slay theirs underground if I remember right.Yep!

..and as for communes..

Casting them at strange things is also a good way to get attention...

Kobold skins, creatures, the statue on Teras..

I doubt I'm at the top of the list.. but I know I'm pretty high up for the number of communes that generated GM attention of some kind.

[nub]

Fucking Methais and his fucking gif ;)

I know... my brother plays WoW, so I had to have him watch it with me =/

[nub]

Of the Communes i've done and/or been involved with, all were answered to pretty badass results. It helps to announce you're going to do one a few days ahead, and plan a lengthy ritual. My personal favorite was having Arachne break the RR Sanct, and flood the area with spiders.

Well that was probably Scribes, Scribes is pretty cool, and he made my stay in RR fun. Or he does a good job in RR anyway.

[Liberi Fatali]

Who needs to do a commune? I once spent some time desecrating Luukos' temple in the cliffs area. Pissed Blades off royally, but we kept doing it, running open voids and open maelstroms by the altar, the idea being they were tearing up the room. Eventually Luukos showed up.

Wow. I was there for that. In fact, I have the log. I'm not sure who sent me this -- but I am obviously JD in the log. I'm not sure what year this was. I think it was 1998?

Virilneus whispers to the group, "on 3,"
>
Jenovadeath whispers to the group, "What about Methais?"
>prep 710
You concentrate on the Energy Maelstrom spell...
Your spell is ready.
>
Methais whispers to the group, "Those are all too easily dispelled. It won't work."
>
Armaxis says, "He will not come to you, because you are nothing in His eyesss. Accept this fact."
>
Virilneus whispers to the group, "1"
>
Dgry just arrived.
>
Demonea yawns.
>
Virilneus whispers to the group, "2"
>
Virilneus whispers to the group, "3"
>
Methais leans forward on his thanot walking stick, listening intently.
>
Jenovadeath yells, "Come on, come on, come on, come on, come on! Now die!"
Virilneus gestures and utters a phrase of magic.
>
Virilneus gestures.
A stiff breeze begins to swirl around Virilneus.
cast
>You gesture.
A stiff breeze begins to swirl around you.
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.
>
Jenovadeath gestures and utters a phrase of magic.
>
Jenovadeath gestures.
A stiff breeze begins to swirl around Jenovadeath.
>look
[Underground, Hidden Wing]
This appears to be a small shrine of some sort. Against the east wall is an altar with tarnished religious symbols on it. The covering is tattered and the three pews here are dry and rotted. For the first time you notice that the thick dust on the floor is punctuated by shallow footprints, leading you to think that this place is not as abandoned as you first imagined. You also see a raging tempest, a raging tempest, a raging tempest and a brown mouse who is sitting.
Also in the room: Dgry, Vazridth, Lord Methais, Hazye, Stefinn, Nido, Shilaya, Demonea, Armaxis, Lord Jenovadeath, Plinn, Lord Virilneus
Obvious exits: west.
>
Armaxis gestures and utters a phrase of magic.
>
Plinn gestures and utters a phrase of magic.
Plinn gestures.
You notice a dark cloud begin to form above you.
>
Armaxis gestures at a raging tempest.
The raging tempest dissipates rapidly.
>
Armaxis gestures and utters a phrase of magic.
>
Armaxis gestures at a raging tempest.
The raging tempest dissipates rapidly.
>prep 710
You concentrate on the Energy Maelstrom spell...
Your spell is ready.
>
Armaxis gestures and utters a phrase of magic.
>
Armaxis gestures at a raging tempest.
The raging tempest dissipates rapidly.
cast
>You gesture.
A stiff breeze begins to swirl around you.
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.
>
Armaxis gestures and utters a phrase of magic.
>
Armaxis gestures at a raging tempest.
The raging tempest dissipates rapidly.
>
Virilneus gestures and utters a phrase of magic.
>
You notice the cloud begin to churn and rumble!
>
Virilneus gestures.
A stiff breeze begins to swirl around Virilneus.
>prep 710
You concentrate on the Energy Maelstrom spell...
Your spell is ready.
>cast
You gesture.
A stiff breeze begins to swirl around you.
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.
Methais whispers to the group, "It's useless."
>
Virilneus says, "rage winds"
>
Vazridth yawns.
>
The cloud turns deep crimson as a gust of hot wind blows through the area!
>
Dgry faces Armaxis, closes his eyes and begins chanting. Suddenly, a small bolt of energy arcs between them!

Dgry opens his eyes, looking slightly drained.
>
Virilneus exclaims, "rage in the temple of the vile!"
>
The heat emanating from the cloud is nearly unbearable! Whatever is going to happen should occur real soon now.
>
Virilneus gestures and utters a phrase of magic.
>'Destroy!
Virilneus gestures.
The tempest swirls a bit, but not much else happens.
>
You exclaim, "Destroy!"
>
Methais breaks out in a sweat.
>
Armaxis gestures and utters a phrase of magic.
>
The winds form into a sinister vortex surrounding Virilneus.
>
Methais slings an acid-stained rolaren shield off from over his shoulder.
>prep 710
Armaxis gestures at an ominous cloud.
The ominous cloud dissipates rapidly.
>
You concentrate on the Energy Maelstrom spell...
Your spell is ready.
>
Vazridth stands in front of a small altar.
>
The winds swirl and intensify all around you, but you remain safely in the calm at the eye of the storm.
>
Methais put an invar-tipped thanot walking stick in his hooded mage's cloak.
Armaxis gestures and utters a phrase of magic.
>
Armaxis gestures at a raging tempest.
The raging tempest dissipates rapidly.
>
Vazridth kneels down.
Methais removes an old greasy rag from in his hooded mage's cloak.
>
Dgry gestures and utters a phrase of magic.
>
Armaxis gestures and utters a phrase of magic.
>
Dgry gestures.
A warm golden aura coalesces around Dgry.
>
Armaxis gestures at a raging tempest.
The raging tempest dissipates rapidly.
Methais wipes the sweat from his brow.
>
Virilneus gestures and utters a phrase of magic.
Armaxis gestures and utters a phrase of magic.
>
Methais put an old greasy rag in his hooded mage's cloak.
>
Virilneus gestures.
A stiff breeze begins to swirl around Virilneus.
>cast
Vazridth places his hand on his Luukos symbol.
>
You gesture.
A stiff breeze begins to swirl around you.
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.
>
Jenovadeath draws an intricately glowing pattern in the air before him.

CS: +452 - TD: +40 + CvA: +18 + d100: +85 == +515
Warding failed!
Vazridth's face loses all expression as a calmness sweeps over him.
Vazridth is unaffected by the patterns.

CS: +452 - TD: +165 + CvA: +12 + d100: +9 - -5 == +313
Warding failed!
Shilaya's face loses all expression as a calmness sweeps over her.
Shilaya is unaffected by the patterns.

CS: +452 - TD: +263 + CvA: +12 + d100: +65 == +266
Warding failed!
Nido's face loses all expression as a calmness sweeps over him.
Nido is unaffected by the patterns.

CS: +452 - TD: +460 + CvA: +13 + d100: +42 - -5 == +52
Warded off!
Armaxis is unaffected by the patterns.

CS: +452 - TD: +318 + CvA: +2 + d100: +77 - +5 == +208
Warding failed!
Dgry's face loses all expression as a calmness sweeps over him.
Dgry is unaffected by the patterns.

CS: +452 - TD: +80 + CvA: +2 + d100: +59 - +5 == +428
Warding failed!
Stefinn's face loses all expression as a calmness sweeps over him.
Stefinn is unaffected by the patterns.

CS: +452 - TD: +210 + CvA: +14 + d100: +42 - -5 == +303
Warding failed!
Hazye's face loses all expression as a calmness sweeps over her.
Hazye is unaffected by the patterns.

CS: +452 - TD: +105 + CvA: +2 + d100: +92 - -5 == +446
Warding failed!
Demonea's face loses all expression as a calmness sweeps over her.
Demonea is unaffected by the patterns.

>
Demonea yawns.
Armaxis gestures at a raging tempest.
The raging tempest dissipates rapidly.
>
Armaxis gestures and utters a phrase of magic.
>
Armaxis gestures.
His body is surrounded by a dim dancing aura.
>look
[Underground, Hidden Wing]
This appears to be a small shrine of some sort. Against the east wall is an altar with tarnished religious symbols on it. The covering is tattered and the three pews here are dry and rotted. For the first time you notice that the thick dust on the floor is punctuated by shallow footprints, leading you to think that this place is not as abandoned as you first imagined. You also see a raging tempest and a brown mouse who is sitting.
Also in the room: a calm Dgry, a calm Vazridth who is kneeling, Lord Methais, a calm Hazye, a calm Stefinn, a calm Nido, a calm Shilaya, a calm Demonea, Armaxis, Lord Jenovadeath, Plinn, Lord Virilneus
Obvious exits: west.
>
Dgry gestures and utters a phrase of magic.
>
Dgry gestures.
A sense of peace and calm settles over the area.
>
Dgry says, "your spells are useless."
Armaxis gestures and utters a phrase of magic.
prep 710
>You concentrate on the Energy Maelstrom spell...
Your spell is ready.
>
The winds swirl and intensify around Virilneus, while dark clouds gather overhead.
>cast
Be at peace my child, there is no need for spells of war in here.
>rel
You feel the magic of your spell rush away from you.
Dgry yawns.
>grin
Armaxis mutters under his breath.
You grin.
>
Jenovadeath says, "Au contraire. This is the very moment I've been waiting for! Come, Dgry. Come to my world! Let's have some fun!""
>look
[Underground, Hidden Wing]
This appears to be a small shrine of some sort. Against the east wall is an altar with tarnished religious symbols on it. The covering is tattered and the three pews here are dry and rotted. For the first time you notice that the thick dust on the floor is punctuated by shallow footprints, leading you to think that this place is not as abandoned as you first imagined. You also see a raging tempest and a brown mouse who is sitting.
Also in the room: a calm Dgry, a calm Vazridth who is kneeling, Lord Methais, a calm Hazye, a calm Stefinn, a calm Nido, a calm Shilaya, a calm Demonea, Armaxis, Lord Jenovadeath, Plinn, Lord Virilneus
Obvious exits: west.
>
The winds form into a sinister vortex surrounding Virilneus.
>
Jenovadeath put a malevolent, bile-green onyx and veniom-hilted longsword splattered with the blood of gremlin-slayers in his silk cloak.
>chu
You chuckle.
>
Armaxis just went west.
>
You feel at full magical power again.
>
Dgry chuckles.
>
Vazridth stands up.
>
Brilliant flashes of lightning surround you!
A lightning bolt arcs out at Dgry!
... 20 points of damage!
Heavy shock gives Dgry fits!
He is knocked to the ground!
He is stunned!
A lightning bolt arcs out at Vazridth!
... 20 points of damage!
Nasty jolt to abdomen makes Vazridth's stomach turn. Urp.
He is stunned!
A lightning bolt arcs out at Hazye!
... 25 points of damage!
Heavy jolt to chest causes solar plexus to explode. Remarkable display of spraying blood.
She is stunned!
A lightning bolt arcs out at Stefinn!
... 30 points of damage!
Horrid jolt of electricity illuminates kidneys!
He is stunned!
A lightning bolt arcs out at Nido!
... 30 points of damage!
Horrid jolt of electricity shatters ribs in a sickening flash of light!
He is stunned!
A lightning bolt arcs out at Shilaya!
... 20 points of damage!
Heavy shock to right arm numbs elbow.
She is stunned!
A lightning bolt arcs out at Demonea!
... 25 points of damage!
Nasty shock to right hand stiffens fingers. Nice and painful.
She is stunned!
>'We have a tempest
You say, "We have a tempest"
>
Large hailstones whip through the area!
Dgry is pelted by hailstones!
... 15 points of damage!
Large gash to the right arm, several muscles torn.
Vazridth is pelted by hailstones!
... 30 points of damage!
Hard hit shatters shield arm.
Hazye is pelted by hailstones!
... 30 points of damage!
Spinal cord damaged by smash to the back.
Stefinn is pelted by hailstones!
... 25 points of damage!
Whoosh! Several ribs driven into lungs.
Nido is pelted by hailstones!
... 20 points of damage!
Skull cracks in several places.
Shilaya is pelted by hailstones!
... 20 points of damage!
Crack to the head swells eye shut.
Demonea is pelted by hailstones!
... 20 points of damage!
Whoosh! Several ribs driven into lungs.
>
Virilneus gestures and utters a phrase of magic.
>grin
You grin.
>
Jenovadeath removes a malevolent, bile-green onyx and veniom-hilted longsword splattered with the blood of gremlin-slayers from in his silk cloak.
>
Brilliant flashes of lightning surround you!
A lightning bolt arcs out at Dgry!
... 20 points of damage!
Heavy shock to left arm numbs elbow.
A lightning bolt arcs out at Vazridth!
... 25 points of damage!
Heavy jolt to back shoots up spine. Sympathetic pains almost as bad.

* Vazridth drops dead at your feet!

The powerful look leaves Vazridth.
A lightning bolt arcs out at Hazye!
... 30 points of damage!
Stunning arc of electricity fuses left arm at elbow.
A lightning bolt arcs out at Stefinn!
... 20 points of damage!
Heavy shock gives Stefinn fits!
He is knocked to the ground!
A lightning bolt arcs out at Nido!
... 50 points of damage!
Electrical charge toasts Nido. You get a sharp whiff of burning hair.

* Nido drops dead at your feet!

The opalescent aura fades from around Nido.
A lightning bolt arcs out at Shilaya!
... 30 points of damage!
Horrid jolt of electricity illuminates kidneys!
She is stunned!
A lightning bolt arcs out at Demonea!
... 30 points of damage!
Electric blast goes right to the heart! Fibrillation can be fun.

* Demonea drops dead at your feet!

The silvery luminescence fades from around Demonea.
The brilliant luminescence fades from around Demonea.
Demonea becomes solid again.
The bright luminescence fades from around Demonea.
>'Should not have sancted
You say, "Should not have sancted"
look
>[Underground, Hidden Wing]
This appears to be a small shrine of some sort. Against the east wall is an altar with tarnished religious symbols on it. The covering is tattered and the three pews here are dry and rotted. For the first time you notice that the thick dust on the floor is punctuated by shallow footprints, leading you to think that this place is not as abandoned as you first imagined. You also see a raging tempest and a brown mouse who is sitting.
Also in the room: a stunned and calmed Dgry who is lying down, the body of a calm Vazridth who is lying down, Lord Methais, a stunned and calmed Hazye, a stunned and calmed Stefinn who is lying down, the body of a calm Nido who is lying down, a stunned and calmed Shilaya, the body of a calm Demonea who is lying down, Lord Jenovadeath, Plinn, Lord Virilneus
Obvious exits: west.
>
You hear the ghostly voice of Demonea exclaim, "Gah!"
Methais rubs a crystal amulet.
Methais gets an odd look on his face.
>
Brilliant flashes of lightning surround you!
A lightning bolt arcs out at Dgry!
... 20 points of damage!
Nasty jolt to abdomen makes Dgry's stomach turn. Urp.
A lightning bolt arcs out at Hazye!
... 20 points of damage!
Heavy shock to left arm numbs elbow.
A lightning bolt arcs out at Stefinn!
... 20 points of damage!
Nasty jolt to abdomen makes Stefinn's stomach turn. Urp.
A lightning bolt arcs out at Shilaya!
... 20 points of damage!
Nasty jolt to chest causes heart to skip a beat!
>
As Methais pulls on his crystal amulet, his expression grows darker.
>
Methais removes his long scarlet hat and scratches his head.
Methais puts his hat back on his head.
>
Suddenly you have the strangest feeling that you are being watched.
The feeling fades as quickly as it came.
>
Virilneus says, "can't stop it"
>
Brilliant flashes of lightning surround you!
A lightning bolt arcs out at Dgry!
... 30 points of damage!
Stunning arc of electricity fuses left arm at elbow.
A lightning bolt arcs out at Hazye!
... 30 points of damage!
Horrifying jolt to forehead. Brain explodes in a stunning display of light!

* Hazye drops dead at your feet!

The powerful look leaves Hazye.
The dim aura fades from around Hazye.
The opalescent aura fades from around Hazye.
The deep blue glow leaves Hazye.
The very powerful look leaves Hazye.
The white light leaves Hazye.
A lightning bolt arcs out at Stefinn!
... 20 points of damage!
Heavy shock gives Stefinn fits!

* Stefinn drops dead at your feet!

Stefinn becomes solid again.
The brilliant luminescence fades from around Stefinn.
A lightning bolt arcs out at Shilaya!
... 50 points of damage!
Electrical charge toasts Shilaya. You get a sharp whiff of burning hair.

* Shilaya drops dead at your feet!

>'smart luukos people they are
Virilneus says, "you sancted"
look
>You say, "smart luukos people they are"
>
[Underground, Hidden Wing]
This appears to be a small shrine of some sort. Against the east wall is an altar with tarnished religious symbols on it. The covering is tattered and the three pews here are dry and rotted. For the first time you notice that the thick dust on the floor is punctuated by shallow footprints, leading you to think that this place is not as abandoned as you first imagined. You also see a raging tempest and a brown mouse who is sitting.
Also in the room: a stunned and calmed Dgry who is lying down, the body of a calm Vazridth who is lying down, Lord Methais, the body of a calm Hazye who is lying down, the body of a calm Stefinn who is lying down, the body of a calm Nido who is lying down, the body of a calm Shilaya who is lying down, the body of a calm Demonea who is lying down, Lord Jenovadeath, Plinn, Lord Virilneus
Obvious exits: west.
>chu
You chuckle.
>
Large hailstones whip through the area!
Dgry is pelted by hailstones!
... 25 points of damage!
Eye crushed by a hard blow to the face!
>
You hear the ghostly voice of Nido say, "You fools."
>
Suddenly you have the strangest feeling that you are being watched.
The feeling fades as quickly as it came.
>
Large hailstones whip through the area!
Dgry is pelted by hailstones!
... 10 points of damage!
Flattened Dgry's left hand.
>
You hear the ghostly voice of Demonea say, "YE will so die fa' this"
>
Dgry stands up.
>
You see a wave of energy emanate from Methais toward Vazridth. It coalesces around his body and then seeps in, leaving a glow around the body.
>
Virilneus says, "foolish Luukos worshipper"
>
You see a wave of energy emanate from Methais toward Hazye. It coalesces around her body and then seeps in, leaving a glow around the body.
>whis group Holy hell that was awsome!
You whisper, "Holy hell that was awsome!" to your group.
>
You see a wave of energy emanate from Methais toward Stefinn. It coalesces around his body and then seeps in, leaving a glow around the body.
>look
Brilliant flashes of lightning surround you!
A lightning bolt arcs out at Dgry!
... 10 points of damage!
Heavy spark to abdomen. Bet that hurts.
>
[Underground, Hidden Wing]
This appears to be a small shrine of some sort. Against the east wall is an altar with tarnished religious symbols on it. The covering is tattered and the three pews here are dry and rotted. For the first time you notice that the thick dust on the floor is punctuated by shallow footprints, leading you to think that this place is not as abandoned as you first imagined. You also see a raging tempest and a brown mouse who is sitting.
Also in the room: a calm Dgry, the body of a calm Vazridth who is lying down, Lord Methais, the body of a calm Hazye who is lying down, the body of a calm Stefinn who is lying down, the body of a calm Nido who is lying down, the body of a calm Shilaya who is lying down, the body of a calm Demonea who is lying down, Lord Jenovadeath, Plinn, Lord Virilneus
Obvious exits: west.
>
Jenovadeath says, "Nothing is more beautiful than a scream of death."
>
Suddenly you have the strangest feeling that you are being watched.
The feeling fades as quickly as it came.
>
Virilneus exclaims, "you brought upon your own deths!"
>l dgr
You see Dgry Kasv the Giantman.
He appears to be in his 80's, has long, straight sandy blond hair, blue eyes, and tanned skin.
He has a regal gryphon tattoo on his arm.
He has a completely severed left arm, some minor cuts and bruises on his right hand, some minor cuts and bruises on his left hand, minor cuts and bruises on his chest, deep lacerations across his abdominal area, a blinded left eye, a case of uncontrollable convulsions, and a fractured and bleeding right arm.
He has old battle scars on his left hand, developed slurred speech, and a mangled right hand.
He is bleeding badly from the abdomen, slightly from the right arm, and from the left arm.
He is holding a monir-hafted golvern morning star in his right hand and a golvern-bound black vultite shield in his left hand.
He is wearing a silver-trim blue wool greatcloak, a handsome flowing sky blue cloak elegantly stitched with the image of a soaring ice-blue gryphon, a monk's leather brandy satchel, a butterfly charm, a brass-linked blue crystal pendant, some deep blue watered silk breeches, a midnight blue leather belt, a glowing amulet, some dwarven infantry boots, a midnight blue knapsack, a midnight blue velvet gem pouch, some ora-plated golden invar gauntlets, a sky blue glaes spider charm, a veniom-plated Ilyan Cloud charm, a silvery swordfish pin, a mithril juggernaut pin, a shiny ring, a black mithril rose pin, a tightly woven spidersilk sack, a glass amulet, and some midnight blue brigandine armor.
>
You see a wave of energy emanate from Methais toward Nido. It coalesces around his body and then seeps in, leaving a glow around the body.
>
Violent winds rip through the area!
Dgry is struck by flying debris!
... 15 points of damage!
Nice blow to right arm!
He is stunned!
>
Suddenly you have the strangest feeling that you are being watched.
The feeling fades as quickly as it came.
>
Large hailstones whip through the area!
Dgry is pelted by hailstones!
... 30 points of damage!
Hard hit shatters weapon arm.
He is stunned!
>
You see a wave of energy emanate from Methais toward Demonea. It coalesces around her body and then seeps in, leaving a glow around the body.
>
Brilliant flashes of lightning surround you!
A lightning bolt arcs out at Dgry!
... 15 points of damage!
Hard jolt knocks Dgry back on his heels.
>
Virilneus yells, "Luukos fresh souls for the taking!"
>
Jenovadeath says, "Exit the stage, Dgry. Your act is over."
>
Large hailstones whip through the area!
Dgry is pelted by hailstones!
... 10 points of damage!
Strike to the eye clips the eyebrow.
>

* Dgry drops dead at your feet!

The brilliant aura fades away from Dgry.
The dim aura fades from around Dgry.
The very powerful look leaves Dgry.
The white light leaves Dgry.
The wall of force disappears from around Dgry.
The opalescent aura fades from around Dgry.
Dgry appears less confident.
The powerful look leaves Dgry.
Dgry seems hesitant.
A golden aura fades from Dgry.

[waywardgs]

Who needs to do a commune? I once spent some time desecrating Luukos' temple in the cliffs area. Pissed Blades off royally, but we kept doing it, running open voids and open maelstroms by the altar, the idea being they were tearing up the room. Eventually Luukos showed up.

That's actually pretty funny... gives me a few ideas.

[Baelog]

Hahaha, I always like seeing Luukosians getting pwned.

Where's the log where Luukos actually shows up?

[Liberi Fatali]

Hahaha, I always like seeing Luukosians getting pwned.

Where's the log where Luukos actually shows up?

It's amusing because Armaxis (or however it's spelled up there) does the trash talking, dispels the maelstrom, then retreats while everyone else stood their ground and died.

I'm not sure where the rest of the log is, sadly. I still can't remember who's point of view that was. For some reason, I don't have that day in my own logs on Jenovadeath.

[Latrinsorm]

Jenovadeath says, "Au contraire.

...

[Ryvicke]

Jenovadeath says, "Au contraire.

...

:rofl: This was definitely the highlight.

[Archigeek]

Back to the skinning business, considering he just moved to another spot, (Pinefar), I think we can rest assured we're in for a major skinning nerf if he continues to skin that high a percentage of the skin value being sold, which is really going to suck on a couple of levels:

Coin for anyone else who power hunts the skins for a few days or even a week in order to buy something they've been wanting.

And sucky Adv Gld pay offs due to reduced skin values.

And it fucks up the economy.

So can I ask you to maybe take a vacation from your "job" before they make all the skins worth about 500 silvers or all weigh 2 pounds apiece? I mean, you've been sent a message right? Is it that impossible to get the picture that just maybe you're over the top?

Thanks.

[Archigeek]

There's playing the game within the rules, and there's bending them so far that the rules get changed to the detriment of everyone else. Since you aren't the only one playing, what you're doing has a pretty high chance of affecting how everyone gets to play the game. When they nerf the Pinefar critters, where to next? Will you just quit when they apply a level based outcome to skins like they do other treasure, because that's the only way they could figure out to deal with someone hauling in 65% of all skins sold?

As for who's business I'm minding, it's mine. As long as there are no detrimental results, I honestly don't care what you do, but I don't see that being the end result here.

[Inspire]

There's playing the game within the rules, and there's bending them so far that the rules get changed to the detriment of everyone else. Since you aren't the only one playing, what you're doing has a pretty high chance of affecting how everyone gets to play the game. When they nerf the Pinefar critters, where to next? Will you just quit when they apply a level based outcome to skins like they do other treasure, because that's the only way they could figure out to deal with someone hauling in 65% of all skins sold?

As for who's business I'm minding, it's mine. As long as there are no detrimental results, I honestly don't care what you do, but I don't see that being the end result here.


"There's playing the game within the rules, and there's bending them so far that the rules get changed to the detriment of everyone else."


What rule am I bending/breaking/whatever you're trying to accuse me of?

"Since you aren't the only one playing, what you're doing has a pretty high chance of affecting how everyone gets to play the game. "

Pretty general statement and probably true for anyone.


When they nerf the Pinefar critters, where to next?

Why would they nerf pinefar critters?



Will you just quit when they apply a level based outcome to skins like they do other treasure, because that's the only way they could figure out to deal with someone hauling in 65% of all skins sold?

I would love for skinning values to make sense and for them to finally fix it. Capped skins selling for less than 1k? That's unacceptable to me.



As for who's business I'm minding, it's mine. As long as there are no detrimental results, I honestly don't care what you do, but I don't see that being the end result here.

Why is it your business? Do you hunt those pinefar creatures? I've never seen you here. What detrimental results will there be for you? You don't hunt these creatures. Are you afraid they're going to apply that "level based outcome" to you? Is that why your concerned? So it's ok for them to nerf my skin values, but if they fix the entire system and it would affect you... can't have that. So let's just start attacking him personally and see where that goes..



The truth is, you have no fucking idea what you're talking about. You can try to single me out like I'm doing something wrong, but I'm not. I'm playing the game, within the rules. If I dedicate a significant portion of my day to GS, and in the end I happen to make a lot of silvers. Good for me. Nothing is stopping you from playing just as long to make just as much as I am.

Get off your high horse, you don't own the game, you have no right to tell another player how they can or cannot play the game.

So again, mind your own business.

[thefarmer]

From the officials..


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Skin Values · on 4/27/2010 4:11:56 AM 46505


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Will someone please fix skin values? Capped warriors are crying their little eyes out because Rift Skins are only worth about 1000 coins.

It's the same in OTF and worse in Nelemar.

Triton Spines are worth like 300-500 silvers. Ridiculous!

You guys are all for nerfing things to make things worse/harder. How about fixing skin values altogether so that people who devote TP's to learn how to skin can actually benefit from it.

Less than level 20 - skin values less than 1k
Levels 20-50 - Skin values between 1-2k
Levels 50-100 - Skin values between 3k and 10k

Any loser can go find a diamond worth 10k by killing something. It actually takes a significant TP investment to be good at skinning.

Please fix skin values so capped warriors can quit crying.

[Inspire]

From the officials..

Kerls issues would be better solved if they were pointed in the right direction.

The problem isn't that I hunt all day long.

The problem is that most creatures have shit skin values.

Fix shitty skin values for everything and all this little crybaby bullshit goes away.

[Kitsun]

They're never going to adjust skin values the way you proposed. That would single handedly destroy the GS economy with hyperinflation in a matter of months.

[phantasm]

Not only is this guy destroying skin values everywhere he farms. It was also explained pretty clearly how he is causing massive silver inflation and reducing the value of everyone's silvers.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I would love for skinning values to make sense and for them to finally fix it. Capped skins selling for less than 1k? That's unacceptable to me.

So, while the game is magical, it's also based somewhat in reality, right? You can only carry so much before it affects you, have min cast times, mages can't wear plate effectively, and so on...

Supply and Demand (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supply_and_demand)

The economy of skins is based on that. If a capped skin sells for less than 1k, that means they are getting farmed by nearly everyone. What do you expect anyway, that you'd get a flat rate for every skin? The reason you are skinning there is because the loot is better. You just want both, right?

Go farm a more rare creature for it's hides, move around. There are plenty of places to go in that game where you won't see anyone.

[Kitsun]

I'm pretty sure him moving around is what caused a resurgence of this thread. People are noticing his moving into an area and the stripmining causing skin prices to devalue at an absurd rate.

[Celephais]

I don't think he's out of his rights to do it though... he's enterprising and doing something that anyone else could do, I agree with the changes to Myklian's not giving out exp for wounds (and they were absurdly overvalued anyway).

His enterprising might be a bit shortsighted if he keeps getting things nerfed, instead of the current cut & burn method, but he's perfectly allowed to do that.

[Kitsun]

Well, I agree with Simu's sticking to the policy in enforcement of this issue. I do find it somewhat distasteful that he's essentially dragging his workplace into other people's gaming environment. I honestly believe he's done himself the most damage by dragging this in front of the community and shining a huge spotlight on himself. His attitude is really going to get him into a heap of shit before this is all said and done.

[Inspire]

I'm pretty sure him moving around is what caused a resurgence of this thread. People are noticing his moving into an area and the stripmining causing skin prices to devalue at an absurd rate.

Quit making shit up.

Do you hunt where I'm hunting? No, you don't. So STFU.

Kerl waddled by and wanted to cry about it apparently. He doesn't hunt there either.

I hunt there, AND I can learn there because my characters are within the level range of that creature.

[Cephalopod]

http://imgur.com/azOem.jpg

[Inspire]

Well, I agree with Simu's sticking to the policy in enforcement of this issue.

I really wish you guys would quit talking out of your asses.

What policy are they enforcing?

Is it against the rules to play the fucking game now?


I honestly believe he's done himself the most damage by dragging this in front of the community and shining a huge spotlight on himself.

Skinning for money is nothing new. Who is this a surprise to?

[Archigeek]

Kerls issues would be better solved if they were pointed in the right direction.

The problem isn't that I hunt all day long.

The problem is that most creatures have shit skin values.

Fix shitty skin values for everything and all this little crybaby bullshit goes away.

Stop trying to deflect the problem. You haven't heard me complain about skin values of like-aged critters that I hunt. The two skins we talked about a few days ago that are in the rift (crawler teeth and cerebralite tentacles) are on critters that also drop loot. I fully expect loot dropping critters to have lower skin values. The problem is that when they do nerf skin values it will affect skin values everywhere.

So yeah, the problem IS that you hunt all day: grinding out myklians until they put the screws to them, and now you're grinding on pinefar critters. Simu just sent you a giant message. I'd pay at least a little bit of attention to it, but that's just me. If you really think they nerfed myklians because there was something wrong with them, I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you. The update could have never happened and no one would have cared, until you decided to exploit them.

Since they will probably end up doing something, I honestly hope that when they do, they just fix the real problem and put a cap on how much one account can bring in in skin values per day rather than nerfing values for everyone.

Take a vacation from your day job and go get a real one.

[Inspire]

Stop trying to deflect the problem. You haven't heard me complain about skin values of like-aged critters that I hunt. The two skins we talked about a few days ago that are in the rift (crawler teeth and cerebralite tentacles) are on critters that also drop loot. I fully expect loot dropping critters to have lower skin values. The problem is that when they do nerf skin values it will affect skin values everywhere.

So yeah, the problem IS that you hunt all day: grinding out myklians until they put the screws to them, and now you're grinding on pinefar critters. Simu just sent you a giant message. I'd pay at least a little bit of attention to it, but that's just me. If you really think they nerfed myklians because there was something wrong with them, I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you. The update could have never happened and no one would have cared, until you decided to exploit them.

Since they will probably end up doing something, I honestly hope that when they do, they just fix the real problem and put a cap on how much one account can bring in in skin values per day rather than nerfing values for everyone.

Take a vacation from your day job and go get a real one.


Like I said, worry about yourself.

These "problems" are because whiny bitches like you can't worry about themselves. They have to stick their nose into what other people are doing. If they don't like it, they want to cry about it so it's changed.

Quit being a fucking crybaby.

I play the game, by the rules. I just so happen to play the game in a way you don't like. That's tough shit for you.


Myklians were an ancient, buggy creature, they fixed it. Big deal. Life moves on, you should too.

[Celephais]

Since they will probably end up doing something, I honestly hope that when they do, they just fix the real problem and put a cap on how much one account can bring in in skin values per day rather than nerfing values for everyone.
This is the type of short-sightedness that causes these problems to crop up in the first place.

You really think that a cap on accounts would work? You don't think he'd use his multiple accounts, and then work out deals with other people to sell skins, etc? You don't think that would 'hurt everyone'?

The myklian's were a problem before, and it was something that with unlimited resources and time simu probably would have gotten around to fixing, the issue got pressured, so they did something, now he's pressuring skinning as a whole, which *might* prompt a fix of skinning as a whole, which is win win. They're not going to go with some system that's going to break the economy of GS (well they might), but at the very least if they fix it on a whole they'll fix the inequities across the board and then everyone gets the fix, rather than just one hunting area.

I don't see that happening though, he might be stripmining an area, but it's not like people don't do that all over the game.

[Showal]

Everytime I read this thread, these images come to mind:
http://patrickcox.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/baby_crying_closeup.jpg
http://www.frigginrandom.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/crying-baby.jpg
http://www.the-parenting-magazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/free-internet-games-for-kids-2.jpg
http://www.neytri.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/crying_baby.jpg

The idea is simple. The rest of the skin value system is based of supply and demand, as SHM pointed out. They put myklian skins in line with every other skin in the game. Deal with it.

[Inspire]

I don't see that happening though, he might be stripmining an area, but it's not like people don't do that all over the game.

Finally, someone who actually understands.


People "farm" all kinds of activities.

Fletching, Forging, Healing, Raising (Kaedra), Hunting (Sabreon's Crew), Gem Singing.

There are other skin farmers. Grendeg, Sile are two quick names off the top of my head.


You guys want to jump down my throat, which is why I repeat that you really have no fucking clue what the game is like. You see a bandwagon, and you jump on. It's pathetic.

[AnticorRifling]

Like I said, worry about yourself.

These "problems" are because whiny bitches like you can't worry about themselves. They have to stick their nose into what other people are doing. If they don't like it, they want to cry about it so it's changed.

Quit being a fucking crybaby.

I play the game, by the rules. I just so happen to play the game in a way you don't like. That's tough shit for you.


Myklians were an ancient, buggy creature, they fixed it. Big deal. Life moves on, you should too.

He is worrying about himself...how is that hard to see?

If what you're doing impacts him and he wants it changed it's not to hurt you, it's to prevent him from being impacted further.

[Inspire]

The rest of the skin value system is based of supply and demand, as SHM pointed out. They put myklian skins in line with every other skin in the game. Deal with it.


The simple truth is, you're wrong.

Deal with it.



Test it yourself before you all decide to come up with results.

Every creature has a base value. Those base values are fucked up. I doubt Simu ever had a thought process to how base skin values were assigned.

That needs fixed. If it were fixed, everyone would be happy and the babies could quit crying.

[Showal]

The simple truth is, you're wrong.

Deal with it.



Test it yourself before you all decide to come up with results.

http://blogs.villagevoice.com/forkintheroad/crying-baby-giant-eyes1.jpg

[Inspire]

http://blogs.villagevoice.com/forkintheroad/crying-baby-giant-eyes1.jpg

Is that a picture of you because you're wrong? Or you just didn't really have anything else to say once I pointed out you have no idea WTF you're talking about when you decided to jump on the trash bandwagon.

[pabstblueribbon]

Ah, the feared I know you are but what am I..

Stop now while you have the chance Showal.

[Showal]

Ah, the feared I know you are but what am I..

Stop now while you have the chance Showal.

http://rlv.zcache.com/i_lost_the_game_button-p145927742900468090t5sj_400.jpg

[Archigeek]

People "farm" all kinds of activities.

Fletching, Forging, Healing, Raising (Kaedra), Hunting (Sabreon's Crew), Gem Singing.

There are other skin farmers. Grendeg, Sile are two quick names off the top of my head.


You guys want to jump down my throat, which is why I repeat that you really have no fucking clue what the game is like. You see a bandwagon, and you jump on. It's pathetic.

Grendeg skins for a while till he has what he needs and then goes back to playing the game instead of punching a time clock. He doesn't skin 8 hours a day with a crew of 4, effectively destroying someone else's hunting area.

Raise "farming" that's really funny. I'm sure the loot is great.

Face it, what you're doing does affect other people. Keep trying to deflect it and blame me for whining and Grendeg and Kaedra and whomever else you want though.

You're right though, I have no clue what the game is like. I'm just some newb who just climbed off the turnip truck.

[AnticorRifling]

Pabst,

When Inspire does it he's clearly making a point, when anyone else does it they're crying. Obviously you can't see the difference because you're wrong/a baby/stupid/gay/a douche/etc. Please adjust your posting style to reflect these changes.

[Inspire]

Grendeg skins for a while till he has what he needs and then goes back to playing the game instead of punching a time clock. He doesn't skin 8 hours a day with a crew of 4, effectively destroying someone else's hunting area.

Raise "farming" that's really funny. I'm sure the loot is great.

Face it, what you're doing does affect other people. Keep trying to deflect it and blame me for whining and Grendeg and Kaedra and whomever else you want though.

You're right though, I have no clue what the game is like. I'm just some newb who just climbed off the turnip truck.


Are you Grendeg? Or you just speak for him?

The "punching the clock" remark is also your assumation. But you're just an ass in this case.



effectively destroying someone else's hunting area.

Who's hunting area am I destroying? Do you own this hunting area? Does someone else? How do I go about owning my own hunting area?




You're right though, I have no clue what the game is like. I'm just some newb who just climbed off the turnip truck.


You're not a noob, you're some old as dirt fart. They're pretty much the same thing though. You're out of touch with today's game.

[Kitsun]

I really wish you guys would quit talking out of your asses.

What policy are they enforcing?

Is it against the rules to play the fucking game now?



Skinning for money is nothing new. Who is this a surprise to?

Heh, you're just getting defensive now. I only know that they "fixed" myklians and they didn't do anything to you. I agreed with that since you didn't break any rule, they didn't have anything to punish you over.

Skinning for coins is nothing new but someone taking it to the point where it causes a fuss is fairly rare. I don't think you would be causing so much noise over this if it didn't appear to be your source of income.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Well, if he stays in one area a long time, he's losing money for not stripmining another.

[Showal]

Heh, you're just getting defensive now. I only know that they "fixed" myklians and they didn't do anything to you. I agreed with that since you didn't break any rule, they didn't have anything to punish you over.

Skinning for coins is nothing new but someone taking it to the point where it causes a fuss is fairly rare. I don't think you would be causing so much noise over this if it didn't appear to be your source of income.

And the changes they're made to myklian skin value mean he's going to have to delay his operation for metal legs.

[AnticorRifling]

And the changes they're made to myklian skin value mean he's going to have to delay his operation for metal legs.

All I've ever cared about was video games and they made me a millionaire. So maybe I don't know what the Civil War was, or who invented the helicopter even though I own one, but I did beat The Legend of Zelda before I could walk. I'm thinking about getting metal legs. It's a risky operation, but it'll be worth it.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Wait, is Inspire the one who threatened to burn down someone's house? His posting style makes me think so but I don't know.

[pabstblueribbon]

Pabst,

When Inspire does it he's clearly making a point, when anyone else does it they're crying. Obviously you can't see the difference because you're wrong/a baby/stupid/gay/a douche/etc. Please adjust your posting style to reflect these changes.

:lol:


You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to AnticorRifling again.

:(

[Inspire]

Wait, is Inspire the one who threatened to burn down someone's house? His posting style makes me think so but I don't know.

OMG, I'll totally burn down some bitches house.

[Archigeek]

Wait, is Inspire the one who threatened to burn down someone's house? His posting style makes me think so but I don't know.

No, I think he threatened to come and strip mine someone's city park for sod. It's everyone's park you know... which means sod farming is AOK.

[Showal]

Are we done being really pathetic about the skinning thing now?

Get out and skin if you want coins people. It's that simple. It's not a big secret. Spend hours, upon hours, skinning and you'll make money. (SURPRISE).


I spend hours, upon hours, at work instead.

[Kitsun]

Are you Grendeg? Or you just speak for him?

The "punching the clock" remark is also your assumation. But you're just an ass in this case.

Who's hunting area am I destroying? Do you own this hunting area? Does someone else? How do I go about owning my own hunting area?


You're not a noob, you're some old as dirt fart. They're pretty much the same thing though. You're out of touch with today's game.

I wouldn't call it an assumption as much as an educated guess or even an intuitive leap. You've been posting up large blocks of coins for sale for a while now. You admittedly farmed somewhere around 6 hours a day for approximately 3 million coins/day. It isn't a stretch to put the two together.

I have at least one friend who would attest to your behavior toward other hunters in myklians as that of a bully. So you're no where near as innocent as you're claiming to be about not affecting other people.

[pabstblueribbon]

Are we done being really pathetic about the skinning thing now?

Get out and skin if you want coins people. It's that simple. It's not a big secret. Spend hours, upon hours, skinning and you'll make money. (SURPRISE).

Woooooosh.

[Ryvicke]

Shit I really don't want to post in this thread but...


You admittedly farmed somewhere around 6 hours a day for approximately 3 million coins/day.

I read this too but it has to be more right? No one is bored enough to spend 6 hours bleeding out their eyes to make 21-24 dollars... Kizun--it's more than 500k/hour right?!

[Mogonis]

Yeah. You're right. Nothing that casts is on the second floor.

I'm not even capped. Gonna neg rep me for that as well?


http://forum.gsplayers.com/images/reputation/reputation_neg.gif Official: GM Coase on... (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?p=1092087#post1092087) 04-27-2010 12:25 PM You are not capped so you get neg rep.
Sure. I wasn't capped back on April 11. You're a bit late. I capped yesterday. You win!

[Kitsun]

None of the above.

[Drunken Durfin]

... When you AFK script around me, I'm going to report you, plain and simple.

...you want to come into the area I'm at and AFK script. I'm going to report you.

Grow a pair and kill them or something. Didn't you learn in grade school that nobody likes a taddle tale? Or are you trying to score points with Andraste?

[StrayRogue]

I don't see why higher end critters should have the most expensive skins. If you're handing in 1000 griffin feathers an hour the furrier should not be paying a premium.

Critter pelt value should be done on rarity/location/difficulty. And difficulty should not be read as higher level = more difficult.

[Inspire]

Grow a pair and kill them or something. Didn't you learn in grade school that nobody likes a taddle tale? Or are you trying to score points with Andraste?


I'm not a GM. It's not within my powers to take care of these issues or I would. In Shattered on the other hand.....


I'll fuck some bitches up!

[grenthor]

Get off your high horse, you don't own the game, you have no right to tell another player how they can or cannot play the game.

So again, mind your own business.



When you AFK script around me, I'm going to report you, plain and simple.

http://pix.motivatedphotos.com/2008/11/25/633632290549165732-Irony.jpg

[Inspire]

http://pix.motivatedphotos.com/2008/11/25/633632290549165732-Irony.jpg


One thing is against official policy, the other is not.

You don't understand the difference?

[Archigeek]

Since I fully expect this post to get pulled just like your last one Inspire, I'll copy it here for posterity. From the officials, The Bad and the Ugly:


<<I don't think most of us really like that idea, it's just where things may be headed if someone keeps strip mining with a crew of 4 for 6-8 hours a day, thinking their $24 a day income is the cat's meow.>>

What is wrong with 4 characters grouping to efficiently hunt in an area? Is the problem the 4 characters, the amount of time they spend hunting in an area, or the amount they make from said efforts?

On the other hand, why do you feel the need to control how others play the game? Aren't you satisfied playing the game for yourself?

Unless another player is breaking policy, we all should take a step back and let them enjoy the game for what it is.

I enjoy buying nice things, in order to do that, I hunt for long periods of time. Sometimes all day, every day. If I work hard enough, I can buy anything I want. It may take a really long time, but I like that with enough time invested I can have anything I want.

At least me working for what I have is better than buying it for that $24 cat's meow you liked to throw in there.

Quit making assumptions about why I play the game. You don't have to like anything about me. Just play the game for you and act like I don't exist.

<<If you game the system, sooner or later the system is going to be changed, and you may not like the results. This has proven to be the case time and time again.>>

For better and for worse, games adapt and evolve. I would like to think that the GM's would take the time to study the material and make appropriate changes if necessary.

<<If someone stuck a giant red sign in front of my face that said, "we don't like what you're doing and we're paying attention" perhaps I'd take a break. I guess not everyone respects authority that way though.

-some cry baby warrior>>

Here, The GM's fixed an ancient and apparently buggy creature. That has nothing to do with me personally as a player.

You and a few others decided to make this about me when you should really be making this against skinning as a whole.


For better and for worse, games adapt and evolve. I would like to think that the GM's would take the time to study the material and make appropriate changes if necessary.

On that last part we can agree.

[Inspire]

We're behaving there. (I think at least.)

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Is this how Tsin evolved?

[Inspire]

Is this how Tsin evolved?

Fail.


Tsin was "Tsin" because he fucked people over. Doesn't really apply here.

[Archigeek]

Tsin was a whiney douchbag from the start. But he was surprisingly a smart enough douchbag to understand the importance of staying under the radar and not biting the hand that feeds you. Inspire on the other hand got his hand caught in the cookie jar and doesn't have the brains to stop eating cookies for a little while. Instead, he decided to stick it in mom's eye and just find another jar. Next stop: no more cookies for anyone!

All I can say is that I guarantee that if someone keeps hauling in 60% of the skins by value every day, they'll do something about it, and then skinning will be ruined for a lot of people. If you think the myklian thing was just a fix of an old code, why do you think Auchand brought up that number for everyone to see? I guarantee there was a bit of backroom debate about the right solution before they decided what to do.

They didn't go there to fix myklians.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Fail.


Tsin was "Tsin" because he fucked people over. Doesn't really apply here.

Tsin was Tsin because he cared about no one else but Tsin. How are you different? Your response to any criticism is to mind their own business. You play an online game with others and don't care what anyone else thinks so long as you are within "policy".

You think you are safe, but the teeth of policy is what will get you in the end, as it's hazy enough that you could be considered HMC if enough people complain about you. Takes a lot, but not out of the realm of possibility.

[ZeP]

What about all those assholes finding enhancives? I don't find very many enhancives. Can everybody just relax tonight with the hunting? I would like to find an enhancive later.

[Asha]

What about all those assholes finding enhancives? I don't find very many enhancives. Can everybody just relax tonight with the hunting? I would like to find an enhancive later.

I lulzed. :@)

[Ryvicke]

What about all those assholes finding enhancives? I don't find very many enhancives. Can everybody just relax tonight with the hunting? I would like to find an enhancive later.

Sorry dude but I'm enhancive farming again tonight. I don't have a large enough collection of +1 INF, +2 Demonology bonus aventails yet.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Now I'm a HMC? Because I think Kerl has his panties in a bunch.

Get over yourself. You don't even play this game anymore. After you sold out for cash.

You're no better than anyone else.

You sure are defensive over something you claim to not care what people think. I never claimed to be worse or better than anyone else. I did, however, pay attention to those around me in the multi-player game I was playing.

All I did above was explain the lens with which staff is probably looking at you now. Do go on though, T2.

[Inspire]

You sure are defensive over something you claim to not care what people think. I never claimed to be worse or better than anyone else. I did, however, pay attention to those around me in the multi-player game I was playing.

All I did above was explain the lens with which staff is probably looking at you now. Do go on though, T2.

Fail again.

Widgets was a perfect T2.

I'll take T3 if you want.

You also have no idea if I pay attention to those around me or not. You, like Kerl, apparently like to make assumptions about things you don't know about.

I take care of my friends, I take care of people at merchants if I'm around and able. I take care of my customers who buy my excess silvers if I have any. I pass them on to my buddies if I'm out. I rest if others come through a space I'm occupying. I leave merchants if I get picked and there are limited spaces, (or even give back spots). I do massies...

I try not to be a killjoy for anyone else. GS is supposed to be fun.

[StrayRogue]

Come on, this guy is nothing like Tsin.

[phantasm]

I'd like to know more about the problems you see with the skinning system.

If a character with maxed skinning skills goes hunting in a high pressure hunting area and sells his skins, he will get the same price as a person with mediocre skinning skill?

[Silvanostar]

the character with higher skills will get some more silvers but not much more due to the quality being better.

[Inspire]

I'd like to know more about the problems you see with the skinning system.

If a character with maxed skinning skills goes hunting in a high pressure hunting area and sells his skins, he will get the same price as a person with mediocre skinning skill?

When people talk about "pressure" it does not apply to skins. If it's supposed to it doesn't, or there's a base limit that it reaches and stops at.

Every creature has a base skin value and I personally don't think there was ever a rhyme or reason to how they were assigned.

Higher level creatures should have a higher base value than lower level creatures IMO.

A triton spine sells for 300 silvers. Just about any other creature in the game sells for that and more.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Higher level creatures should have a higher base value than lower level creatures IMO.

A triton spine sells for 300 silvers. Just about any other creature in the game sells for that and more.

Why? How much of the population is hunting and skinning them?

The rarity of the creature and the amount of available skins should determine the price. To my recollection, tritons were not rare in any sense of the word.

Those bugs on the moon that were so hard to skin. Those should be worth a lot. Ki-lin things horns, worth a lot. Something people farm all day long? Not so much.

[StrayRogue]

When people talk about "pressure" it does not apply to skins. If it's supposed to it doesn't, or there's a base limit that it reaches and stops at.

Every creature has a base skin value and I personally don't think there was ever a rhyme or reason to how they were assigned.

Higher level creatures should have a higher base value than lower level creatures IMO.

A triton spine sells for 300 silvers. Just about any other creature in the game sells for that and more.

I disagree. I think triton spines sell for so little because they are ALWAYS being sold.

Lower levels probably aren't as powerhunted as the capped areas, and are thus more valuable.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I take care of my friends, I take care of people at merchants if I'm around and able. I take care of my customers who buy my excess silvers if I have any. I pass them on to my buddies if I'm out. I rest if others come through a space I'm occupying. I leave merchants if I get picked and there are limited spaces, (or even give back spots). I do massies...

I try not to be a killjoy for anyone else. GS is supposed to be fun.


Come on, this guy is nothing like Tsin.


So far i've been pretty nice and only going to merchants I wanted work from, and usually giving away services for free to people if I ran out of stuff to do.

Nothing alike at all.

[Inspire]

I disagree. I think triton spines sell for so little because they are ALWAYS being sold.

Lower levels probably aren't as powerhunted as the capped areas, and are thus more valuable.

That's not the way the system works to my knowledge.

[Inspire]

Nothing alike at all.

You can try to make me out to be anything you want, that doesn't make it a fact.

You don't even play this game, yet you're trying to make accusations about how I act inside the game. How lame.

[StrayRogue]

That's not the way the system works to my knowledge.

It certainly is. Normal skins (ie, not myklins) will have a maximum value. If they are overhunted, that value decreases. It takes several days for it to return to normal.

I used to chain hunt three areas for max efficiency. When I'd see the value of one start to drop, I'd move to another.

[AestheticDeath]

I think some people are getting their panties in a bunch over the 60% of the value from skinning.

Did the GM who mentioned this ever say how many players are actually trying to skin for coins? Something beyond, getting fried and picking up a skin from those kills, then resting.

His 60% would mean nothing if more people played the game and more people skinned for income.

Also, Inspire, with four guys?, I am assuming you are using all the extras you can insofar as max skinning skill, the ranger spell or whatnot, and trading skill for the one who sells. Do you have a skinning cleaver?

Archigeek, do you even skin creatures for income?

[Showal]

You can try to make me out to be anything you want, that doesn't make it a fact.

You don't even play this game, yet you're trying to make accusations about how I act inside the game. How lame.

Have you thought about playing DDO?

[Archigeek]

I think some people are getting their panties in a bunch over the 60% of the value from skinning.

Did the GM who mentioned this ever say how many players are actually trying to skin for coins? Something beyond, getting fried and picking up a skin from those kills, then resting.

His 60% would mean nothing if more people played the game and more people skinned for income.

Also, Inspire, with four guys?, I am assuming you are using all the extras you can insofar as max skinning skill, the ranger spell or whatnot, and trading skill for the one who sells. Do you have a skinning cleaver?

Archigeek, do you even skin creatures for income?

I skin creatures for income every day. There's a difference between "skinning for income" and strip mining. The reason the number stands out is because it is a big enough number to cause change to the skinning system and screw it up for everyone. Believe me. If Inspire's actions had no impact on me I really wouldn't care what he does.

Here's what didn't happen, inspite of what Inspire would like you to think:


SGM says authoritatively to GM: "Fix those pesky myklian skins so they're on the graduated system like everything else! We've left them as is for 14 years, but now is the time!"

GM: "Oh tay! I'm on it!"

GM trudges off to do his duty.

What happened was this:


SGM meeting: SGM #1: "Fuck, do you see these numbers?"

SGM #2 "holy shit, that's all one guy?"

SGM #1: "Yep, one guy, and you have to give him credit for stamina that's for sure. This is no small feat."

SGM #3: "you want me to take a look at that?"

SGM #1 "Yeah, this isn't sustainable. Take a look and we'll discuss him at the next meeting".

Now. They had that discussion and came up with a plan of action. Now they're looking down from on high to see how well their great plan worked. What do you think the discussion is going to be like at the next meeting?

[Eoghain]

Well, if he stays in one area a long time, he's losing money for not stripmining another.

Who the fuck is that crazy bitch in your avatar?

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Who the fuck is that crazy bitch in your avatar?

Lohanhttp://www.torontolife.com/daily/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/293.lohan_.lindsay.purplefashion.cover_.lc.020810. jpg

[Eoghain]

Lohan

Really? No shit. I had no idea. -10 gay points for me for not recognizing the star of Mean Girls.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Really? No shit. I had no idea. -10 gay points for me for not recognizing the star of Mean Girls.

She can't really act, but I really love that gingers looks and bod. I'd knock the bottom out of it even if she's crazy.

[Inspire]

Now. They had that discussion and came up with a plan of action. Now they're looking down from on high to see how well their great plan worked. What do you think the discussion is going to be like at the next meeting?

The next discussion will be, who the fuck is this Kerl guy and why does he think he's a GM when he's not.

[Some Rogue]

She can't really act, but I really love that gingers looks and bod. I'd knock the bottom out of it even if she's crazy.

You'd probably catch diseases they don't even have names for yet.

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a64/lrenzo2/1256070932_lohan-2009-3.jpg

[Cephalopod]

She can't really act, but I really love that gingers looks and bod. I'd knock the bottom out of it even if she's crazy.

Good luck getting health insurance after that.

[phantasm]

Is pinefar another buggy area where skins are overvalued?
If so, then it should definitely be brought in line with other areas.

Regarding the value of skins thing.

From what I'm understanding, having massive amounts of First Aid/Survival isn't really necessary to make money from skinning since everything is going to be selling at bottom dollar.
Unless you use the ranger spell with lore to increase value, and have invested in trading skill.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

The next discussion will be, who the fuck is this Kerl guy and why does he think he's a GM when he's not.

I honestly think you will be very hard pressed to find anyone with a bad thing to say about Kerl.

[Drunken Durfin]

Grow a pair and kill them or something. Didn't you learn in grade school that nobody likes a taddle tale? Or are you trying to score points with Andraste?


I'm not a GM. It's not within my powers to take care of these issues or I would. In Shattered on the other hand.....


So, you are okay with being a taddle tale and you are trying to score points with Andraste. As long as we are clear on that.

Have fun hogging.

[AnticorRifling]

I honestly think you will be very hard pressed to find anyone with a bad thing to say about Kerl.

He did/did not try to touch my penis, which ever is worse in this case.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

You'd probably catch diseases they don't even have names for yet.


Good luck getting health insurance after that.

I'd still hit it. I think she's freaking hot. I know she's a drunk and has I think drug issues as well, but I didn't know she was promiscuous. I don't really read/watch trash mags and TMZ either though so that might explain it.

http://www.celebrity-pictures.ca/Celebrities/Lindsay-Lohan/Lindsay-Lohan-115.JPG

[Latrinsorm]

His 60% would mean nothing if more people played the game and more people skinned for income.And if I had three wheels, I'd be a tricycle. Let us deal with what did happen - people have been skinning myklians forever, and it is a matter of public record that this particular person's behavior caused them to be changed. I for one do not believe that said person will inspire further changes, but this does not mean I will cast aspersions on the character or parentage of those who do.

[Inspire]

I honestly think you will be very hard pressed to find anyone with a bad thing to say about Kerl.


I really hope you don't take the PC seriously. Because... I don't.

Anything said in this thread should be taken with a grain of salt and a bit of fun, I thought that was the point of these boards to begin with.

[Drew]

Inspire, please read this article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy_of_the_commons

As a side note, my friend was hunting pinefar the other day and said that the skin values had been totally destroyed, he only takes like 10 skins per hunt so that obviously affects him more than a strip miner.

[WRoss]

I honestly think you will be very hard pressed to find anyone with a bad thing to say about Kerl.

He stole my boxes during an invasion!!!!

[Archigeek]

He stole my boxes during an invasion!!!!

I wasn't stealing, I was farming!

[drunksolo]

You must be trolling, 'cause there's no way you could actually be so socially inept as to be unaware of the greater consequences of your actions and continue to stick your fingers in your ears and claim 'I'm just playing the game!'

[Asha]

All in all he will have shot himself in the foot if the skins are worth less. He's not breaking policy. Why should he care what other people think of him or if they have their skins all crudded up.
If the mechanics are in place to make it simple to exploit them, it's the coders' problem to 'fix' and shouldn't be up to Inspire to simply forget he could exploit them, completely within policy, if he felt like it.

[AestheticDeath]

And if I had three wheels, I'd be a tricycle. Let us deal with what did happen - people have been skinning myklians forever, and it is a matter of public record that this particular person's behavior caused them to be changed. I for one do not believe that said person will inspire further changes, but this does not mean I will cast aspersions on the character or parentage of those who do.

I just do not see how his actions were so different from anyone who came before him. I do not see how his meager 3m a day could have represented 60% of the income from skinning.

Wrong time, wrong place or something, but it could have been any number of people who prompted the fix, just someone had more time on their hands to do it recently.