Street fight situation

[Asha]

This happens a lot over here and I suppose it might too for you guys.
I was wondering what your techniques are to get out of it (apart from not going outside) or to win a street fight.
They happen, it's a real issue. I've had a LOT of experiences with drunks, people who're out for trouble and groups of both.
What do you do when face to face with a possible encounter?

Since I was hurt pretty bad in 03 I pretty much spent loads of time hiding away from the outside because of gangs or drunks etc until I decided to learn Aikido and Jiu Jitsu from the advice of a really cool policeman.

Although they're great in the dojo there's nothing that I feel can prepare you or get you out of a real street fight.
So tell me what you do.

No guns.
No Hulk Hogans or swords btw.

[Asha]

'The Shocker' is allowed.

[AnticorRifling]

All the time?

I've been in maybe 3 street fight/bar brawls. My brother has been in loads more, SotT the same. Trouble finds those who seek it. Just don't be in the situation. If you've got to fight, fight to win. Marine Corps method: Break a joint/bone, get them on the ground, stomp them.

[Stanley Burrell]

I hire a forklift company to drop me off, hogtied & blindfolded, into an area with the most minorities and poorest population. I wear a big glowing sign that says, "I recently ate $5000."

Then I yell racial obscenities and tell everybody they're gay. Edit: I am not sure if this works for chavs, m8.

[oldanforgotten]

This happens a lot over here and I suppose it might too for you guys.
I was wondering what your techniques are to get out of it (apart from not going outside) or to win a street fight.
They happen, it's a real issue. I've had a LOT of experiences with drunks, people who're out for trouble and groups of both.
What do you do when face to face with a possible encounter?

Since I was hurt pretty bad in 03 I pretty much spent loads of time hiding away from the outside because of gangs or drunks etc until I decided to learn Aikido and Jiu Jitsu from the advice of a really cool policeman.

Although they're great in the dojo there's nothing that I feel can prepare you or get you out of a real street fight.
So tell me what you do.

No guns.
No Hulk Hogans or swords btw.

1) Always keep your eyes open and watch your surroundings. If you see something potentially developing, get away from it. Or go out with people.
2) If you absolutely have no way of getting out without fighting, the two quickest ways to end a streetfight are a headbutt to the bridge of their nose, or by taking them down to the ground, where most people have no concept of what to do, and will quickly tire themselves out.

[Daniel]

1) Always keep your eyes open and watch your surroundings. If you see something potentially developing, get away from it. Or go out with people.
2) If you absolutely have no way of getting out without fighting, the two quickest ways to end a streetfight are a headbutt to the bridge of their nose, or by taking them down to the ground, where most people have no concept of what to do, and will quickly tire themselves out.

hahahahahahahahaahahahaha

[Asha]

All the time?

I've been in maybe 3 street fight/bar brawls. My brother has been in loads more, SotT the same. Trouble finds those who seek it. Just don't be in the situation. If you've got to fight, fight to win. Marine Corps method: Break a joint/bone, get them on the ground, stomp them.

No one goes out looking for that I can think of. It can just happen.

Break a bone? I said a long time ago on these forums that was the way to go and Daniel couldn't believe it. Wasn't he in the forces too?
There's also the fact you can get into massive legal trouble from simply defending yourself. Even if attack is best and only option.

[Asha]

hahahahahahahahaahahahaha

rofl

[Stanley Burrell]

1) Smash their laptops.
2) Kill their cats.

Winner.

[Daniel]

No one goes out looking for that I can think of. It can just happen.

Break a bone? I said a long time ago on these forums that was the way to go and Daniel couldn't believe it. Wasn't he in the forces too?
There's also the fact you can get into massive legal trouble from simply defending yourself. Even if attack is best and only option.

I couldn't believe what? My attention span is short and I usually forget what I post like 5 minutes later.

That said, I'd be hard pressed to believe the average person can break someones bone (outside of like jaws, orbital sockets etc) in a street fight.

[pabstblueribbon]

Mexican Judo.

[AnticorRifling]

I couldn't believe what? My attention span is short and I usually forget what I post like 5 minutes later.

That said, I'd be hard pressed to believe the average person can break someones bone (outside of like jaws, orbital sockets etc) in a street fight.

I agree.

[ElvenFury]

There's always Savate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savate).

[AnticorRifling]

Mexican Judo.

Joo don't know if I got a knife.

Joo don't know if I got a gun.

Joo don't know what I got meng.

[Tisket]

Jesus, do you guys all live in Beirut or something?

[Showal]

Sorry, this is a dumb thread. You can't go out and NOT get in a fight? I've been doing it for years. In fact, I find it incredibly easy to do.

[TheEschaton]

In a street fight, I usually press down, forward-down, forward, and then punch to

http://american-otaku.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/hadoken_sfiii1.jpg

[NocturnalRob]

Just my two cents, but try to avoid street fights. You never know what kind of stuff people are carrying around--mace (or Ma$e), knife, gun, whatever. You also don't know what kind of diseases people have. I know I don't want a random person in NY bleeding on me.

That being said, in my experience, throwing someone to the ground and kicking them in the temple, Pele style, usually works. It did a couple months ago anyway.

[AnticorRifling]

Sorry, this is a dumb thread. You can't go out and NOT get in a fight? I've been doing it for years. In fact, I find it incredibly easy to do.


You probably carry a gun. People don't fight you when you're a people person (carry a gun).

[Androidpk]

Maybe you should look into wearing a disguise when you go outside.

http://dallasvintageshop.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/03/joe_dirt3.JPG

[AnticorRifling]

Just my two cents, but try to avoid street fights. You never know what kind of stuff people are carrying around--mace (or Ma$e), knife, gun, whatever. You also don't know what kind of diseases people have. I know I don't want a random person in NY bleeding on me.

That being said, in my experience, throwing someone to the ground and kicking them in the temple, Pele style, usually works. It did a couple months ago anyway.

Did you yell GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAL?

[Ryvicke]

Jesus, do you guys all live in Beirut or something?

Seriously where the fuck do you live? I lived with lily white skin in Bushwick/Crown Heights for the first two years I was in the city and wore a tie to work everyday. Dudes definitely wanted to fuck me up.

My secret: I walked to the subway without being a stupid douche to anybody.

[Showal]

You probably carry a gun. People don't fight you when you're a people person (carry a gun).

Yeah I didn't mention that I never wear a jacket and I carry these:

http://www.thegadgetshop.co.za/pics/user_files/Image/Guns/pepper%20gun%20holster%202.jpg
http://s3.hubimg.com/u/1291258_f260.jpg
http://www.yu4you.com/slike/sport/570_serbian_t_shirt.jpg

[AnticorRifling]

The first picture is a paintball gun......what are you dog the bounty hunter?

[NocturnalRob]

Did you yell GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAL?
No. He had headbutted me in the face earlier, so I spit blood on him and ran away before someone called the cops. I think he or one of the girls he was with lives in my building.

GOOD THING I'M MOVING!

[AnticorRifling]

Should have yelled HEP C MOTHER FUCKER!

[Showal]

The first picture is a paintball gun......what are you dog the bounty hunter?

No, I'm the guy who doesn't get in fights.

[4a6c1]

Um. The only time I was ever in this sort of situation all of my companions were gang bangers from the sewers of yucatan (the army hires awesome people) or whatever and I just kind of giggled and kept downing my tequila? I think. I dont think I hit anyone. I'm a silly drunk. I probably giggled.

Anyways how bout you umm....dont hang out with the british equivalent of gang banging ghetto funkies anymore and you wont have this problem.

[Celephais]

Tell them you have aids. No one will want to be anywhere near your blood.

[NocturnalRob]

Should have yelled HEP C MOTHER FUCKER!
He'll find out eventually...

[Asha]

Daniel, what would you do if confronted by 1 or more people hoping to tear your head off?
I don't see why it's so unbelievable.

I don't live in Beirut but I do live in a place where there are people who drink and walk the streets either at night or during the day and destroy people who're either out on a night with their friends or going about their working day.
It happens.

I've learned some pretty effective techniques to be fair but my question is what would you guys do.
It's sad that it's a very real possibility of our everyday lives.
I usually use the crane technique from Karate Kid 1.

[Sean of the Thread]

I couldn't believe what? My attention span is short and I usually forget what I post like 5 minutes later.

That said, I'd be hard pressed to believe the average person can break someones bone (outside of like jaws, orbital sockets etc) in a street fight.


Clavicle or the patella perhaps.

[AnticorRifling]

Daniel, what would you do if confronted by 1 or more people hoping to tear your head off?
I don't see why it's so unbelievable.

I don't live in Beirut but I do live in a place where there are people who drink and walk the streets either at night or during the day and destroy people who're either out on a night with their friends or going about their working day.
It happens.

I've learned some pretty effective techniques to be fair but my question is what would you guys do.
It's sad that it's a very real possibility of our everyday lives.
I usually use the crane technique from Karate Kid 1.

Don't be alone. Carry a brick?

What kind of answers are you looking for, basically you need to move.

Cops don't do anything there?

[NocturnalRob]

Clavicle or the patella perhaps.
I would have said fingers. Hard to hit someone if your shit is all jacked up.

[StrayRogue]

All the time?

I've been in maybe 3 street fight/bar brawls. My brother has been in loads more, SotT the same. Trouble finds those who seek it. Just don't be in the situation. If you've got to fight, fight to win. Marine Corps method: Break a joint/bone, get them on the ground, stomp them.

From about 16-21 I worked part-time in a bar. I'm 27 now. I can probably count the amount of brawls and street fights that I've seen personally on one hand.

Totally agree with trouble finding those who seek it.

[Androidpk]

It's too bad Charles Bronson isn't still alive. I bet he would be willing to come and clean up your neighborhood.

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

I've only been in two, what I would call fights. The first was with a boy, in middle school, who kept shoving me and groping me. I warned him, some punches were thrown and it ended with me punching him in the temple and knocking him out (I admit it was a lucky shot, though the fucker deserved it). The second was with a girl, in my senior year of high school during a summer trip with a group of friends, she ripped out a fist full of my hair and I broke her nose with a punch that was well-aimed. I broke her sunglasses too. Good times.

So I'm probably not much of a help, but my only three rules are: 1- someone is getting fucked up, 2- it's not going to be me, and 3- there's no such thing as a fair fight. If it's gonna come down to a fight, go hard and go for any weak spot even if it's a 'cheap shot.' The guy leaves himself open for a knee to the balls? Fucking go for it and drop the bastard.

[AnticorRifling]

No such thing as a cheap shot, just tactical advatanges.

[pabstblueribbon]

Other than Mexican Judo....

Cardio, cardio, cardio...

[AnticorRifling]

Seat belts?

[pabstblueribbon]

Seat belts?

Exactly.

[AnticorRifling]

Double tap.

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

I think your natural fight or flight instinct has a lot to do with this sort of thing too. People with a stronger flight reflex are probably just not going to do as well in fight situations, no matter how much they try to overcome it. Everyone has a natural tendency towards one or the other and you react with it without even thinking which is why conditioning only does so much. The person having to ignore the instincts screaming at them to run are just not going to fare as well as the person who's instincts are instructing them to lay a beat down.

[Fallen]

I don't go looking for trouble. Basically, would be a pussy about it and get my phone out and call the cops. At that point, either they are going to stop you from calling the cops by immediately assaulting you, or they will leave you alone. Barring all of the above, I would run the fuck away. If I get into a fist fight where they can remotely prove I could have avoided it I lose my clearance, shortly followed by my job.

[Taernath]

True story.

A few months ago I was visiting my dad, who's 75 and is in generally poor health because of exposure to Agent Orange in Vietnam. We take his two small terriers out for a walk in a nearby small park by his house... it's a pretty nice area. While we're out there, this other guy and his kid have a golden retriever or something off it's leash (which is illegal in the area), and it barrels into my dad, almost knocks him over and rolls both of our dogs over before running back to it's master. My dad yells "Would you mind watching your dog?" The guy doesn't say anything and we keep walking.

5 minutes later, the same guy rolls up on a motorcycle gunning his engine and jumps off yelling "Which one of you shitbags disrespected me in front of my kid!?!1" There was a lot of yelling back and forth between me and the guy, and he then says to my dad "I'm going to knock you on your ass" (lol), so I stepped between him and my dad.

I'm not trying to get internet tough guy points when I say this, but I used to be a protective services agent and an MP, so I know a little about self-defense. I kept a good, solid stance and waited for him to make the first move. Sure enough, he tries to push me out of the way to get to my dad, so I elbow strike him in his face, dropping him cold.

Long story short, the police came (I called them) and a woman in her driveway nearby witnessed the whole thing. She said the guy was out of control and essentially corroborated my side of the story. I never did find out what exactly got him so pissed, maybe he thought my dad called him a pedophile or something.

If the guy is randomly swinging like most drunks do, protect your head/core, get in close and use your elbows and knees. Sometimes it's better to get the person in a nerve center than go for a knockout. Also, accept that you're not going to win every fight you get into.

[Androidpk]

You can lose a security clearance for getting into a fight?

[Fallen]

You can lose a security clearance for getting into a fight?

Absolutely. I can lose my clearance for getting a bad enough speeding ticket. USAMRIID doesn't fuck around.

[Asha]

From about 16-21 I worked part-time in a bar. I'm 27 now. I can probably count the amount of brawls and street fights that I've seen personally on one hand.

Totally agree with trouble finding those who seek it.

Dude seriously? I went to the local Uni and had lot's, LOT'S of Chavs going for the win on everyone.
You live / lived in the worst place I can think of for this kind of trouble.

I'm glad though, that you've not had any trouble yourself. It's horrifying and can be very life changing when it does.
I worked in a bar too, in a different county and saw just as little trouble.

It's when you're out there I guess.

[Fallen]

Dude seriously? I went to the local Uni and had lot's, LOT'S of Chavs going for the win on everyone.
You live / lived in the worst place I can think of for this kind of trouble.

I'm glad though, that you've not had any trouble yourself. It's horrifying and can be very life changing when it does.
I worked in a bar too, in a different county and saw just as little trouble.

It's when you're out there I guess.

So how do these situations go down where you're being assaulted? You are minding your own business, someone (or a group of people) walk up to you, and start insulting you? You say something back and are jumped? something like that?

I can't imagine any situation short of some sort of hate crime or robbery where you did nothing to provoke someone, and use phrases like, "I dont want any trouble.", yet still manage to end up in a fist fight. Unless you hang out in redneck bars or something.

[AnticorRifling]

You can lose a security clearance for getting into a fight?

Yup.

Hell I was warned no speeding tickets, no duis, no bad checks, nothing.

[Asha]

No mate. Simply you see a group of people walking up to you and you either cross the road (which might get you fucked for showing fear) or you walk right through them and get rocked.

They're called chavs. They're all about drinking and fighting and it can be very frightening to go about your everyday life.
I'm seeing for the first time now how it's hard for people who don't live in a certain area to understand the threat.
I don't think there's anywhere in the UK you can move to that doesn;t have these shits.

BTW I am moving from this country. :D

[AnticorRifling]

No mate. Simply you see a group of people walking up to you and you either cross the road (which might get you fucked for showing fear) or you walk right through them and get rocked.

They're called chavs. They're all about drinking and fighting and it can be very frightening to go about your everyday life.
I'm seeing for the first time now how it's hard for people who don't live in a certain area to understand the threat.
I don't think there's anywhere in the UK you can move to that doesn;t have these shits.

BTW I am moving from this country. :D

Man it's a good thing private citizens can't carry guns......

[StrayRogue]

I've never been attacked, at least randomly. I have long hair and do get a lot of verbal abuse at times from these fucks. But never been attacked. Usually they're all mouth, no trousers.

[Xanator]

I've never really been in a physical altercation, but I did take my father's advice on fighting to heart and intend to pass it along to my kids. If someone wants to fight you, and they're bigger than you, get the first shot in and make it count.

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a365/bigtab/NUT_SHOT.jpg

If you literally live in a place where a group of people might come and try to beat you to death just for going outside, I really have to second the "you need to move" advice.

Two classic moves I would have to recommend when you're ganged up on, though:

Try to dodge really fast and make one bad guy hit the other one by mistake (this also works if you're being held from behind by one guy. Either duck and make the punching bad guy hit the holding bad guy, or swing your feet up and run up the punching bad guy's chest until you flip over the back of the holding bad guy, then push the holding bad guy into the punching bad guy and run away. Make sure you look behind yourself and fall down a few times while running away, though. The music should get faster but noticeably more lighthearted at this part).

The other one is where you grab two bad guys and knock their heads together. Clunk! Laugh track.

[AnticorRifling]

All mouth, no trousers?


On second thought it's a good thing you dont' have guns, you'd all hurt yourselves.

[Latrinsorm]

In a street fight, I usually press down, forward-down, forward, and then punch toThe correct answer is to crouch-block for approximately two seconds - you can defend from any angle air attack, and defend from incoming missile attacks! I am sure these are your two chief concerns.

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

All mouth, no trousers?


On second thought it's a good thing you dont' have guns, you'd all hurt yourselves.

I don't need guns, I have LOBSTERS.

[AnticorRifling]

Are chavs (I think that's the made up word we're using in this thread) afraid of lobsters?

[Asha]

No they're what we call yob culture.
There's an entire mass of them in every neighbourhood everywhere in this country.
They just draw benefits from the state and attack everyone for no reason.
It's hard to get across how common it is to be beaten down on the street.

[pabstblueribbon]

I can't help but keep picturing Ali G...

Booyakasha!

[AnticorRifling]

WTF is yob culutre?

[pabstblueribbon]

WTF is yob culutre?

Probably people without a yob.

[AnticorRifling]

Dey took our yobs!

[ElvenFury]

WTF is yob culutre?
Austin: Listen, dad, if you are are going to say naughty things in front of these American girls then at least speak English English.
Nigel: All right, my son: I could've had it away with this cracking Julie, my old China.
Austin: Are you telling a bunch pork-pies and a bag of trout? Because if you are feeling quigly, why not just have a J. Arthur?
Nigel: What, billy no mates?
Austin: Too right, youth.
Nigel: Don't you remember the crimbo din-din we had with the grotty Scots bint?
Austin: Oh, the one that was all sixes and sevens!
Nigel: Yeah, yeah, she was the trouble and strife of the Morris dancer what lived up the apples and pears!
Austin: She was the barrister what become a bobby in a lorry and...[complete gibberish] (????????)...
Austin & Nigel: --tea kettle!
Nigel: And then, and then--
Austin & Nigel: She shat on a turtle!

[thefarmer]

WTF is yob culutre?

Srs bizness


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[Drew]

The problem with England is that their ghettos are right next door to their nice places.


Also, if it's like 6 dudes, you're fucked anyway. Don't run (unless you're sure you can outrun them) but try to make your way towards a safer place where other people are if there is one within sight (a restaurant or pub or something) and if possible keep your back to a wall so they can't surround you. But if you're fighting some guy solo the best thing to do is to stay calm and aim for the nose. Getting punched in the nose hurts like hell and they might go down if you hit them hard enough. If they do go down walk/run away to someplace safe.

If you think they are trying to kill you gouge at their eyes, if you can get your thumb on it try to push in so hard the eyeball pops (don't do this in a regular fight, this will get you killed).

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I recommend you break their fists with your face.

If that doesn't work, buy a gun, shoot them in the face and I guarantee they will stop attacking you. The whole, this bod protected by Smith & Wesson does wonders for stopping douches.

But seriously, when I was in England I was told about chavs and never once was disrespected, attacked, looked at funny... anything. Do you wear clothes that say please harass me or something?

[Geshron]

Learn Gracie Jiu-Jitsu.

[Fallen]

No they're what we call yob culture.
There's an entire mass of them in every neighbourhood everywhere in this country.
They just draw benefits from the state and attack everyone for no reason.
It's hard to get across how common it is to be beaten down on the street.

It sounds like 28 Days Later, but with socialism.

[Drew]

But seriously, when I was in England I was told about chavs and never once was disrespected, attacked, looked at funny... anything. Do you wear clothes that say please harass me or something?

To be fair, you probably weren't in Leeds. And why would you want to?

[Showal]

No they're what we call yob culture.
There's an entire mass of them in every neighbourhood everywhere in this country.
They just draw benefits from the state and attack everyone for no reason.
It's hard to get across how common it is to be beaten down on the street.


If this is the case, you would think that SOMEONE would have brought enough concern to the state that it would be cracked down on more by the police or somehow they'd limit their "benefits".

I think it's hard to get across how common it is to be beaten down on the street because it doesn't happen as common as you believe. I can't imagine a city being able to conduct much business if the majority of the population is at risk of being beaten to death just for stepping outside. I was in England when I was younger, I wasn't beaten walking down the street, neither were my parents. My friend spent a semester in London, he never got beaten.

You probably make it out to be a bigger deal than it is because of your horrifying experience getting beat up yourself that made you hide for years indoors. Instead of taking all sorts of martial arts, why didn't you tell your really cool policeman friend to do his yob?

[AnticorRifling]

I break souls!

[Androidpk]

To be fair, you probably weren't in Leeds. And why would you want to?

Why are you?

[Morph]

Move to a better neighborhood. I've never seen a street fight break out ever.

[AnticorRifling]

Why did Kgolfer delete his post? It was funny.

[Showal]

I imagine a very common sight in your city would be this:

http://www.kamonwingchun.com/Gallery/StreetFights.swf.jpg

When you walk out of your "house" and into the "streets", do you have to open this box first and turn on the power?

http://www.game-ost.ru/covers/g/gta-san_andreas_ost_front.jpg

[kgolfer]

I couldn't believe what? My attention span is short and I usually forget what I post like 5 minutes later.

That said, I'd be hard pressed to believe the average person can break someones bone (outside of like jaws, orbital sockets etc) in a street fight.

Who's ordinary that posts on these boards or let alone while posting online to a make believe situation?

Everyone thinks they can break bones!

You can't?

[kgolfer]

Why did Kgolfer delete his post? It was funny.

I had to rewrite it.......

I delete it and you post in the same minute I posted originally, to funny.....

[AnticorRifling]

I had to rewrite it.......

I delete it and you post in the same minute I posted originally, to funny.....

I'm waiting on some software to finish passing thru debug so I'm hitting refresh.


As to your comment I think there's quite a few folks that post here that have done enough hand to hand fun that it could be a reality. Me, I doubt it, I'm out of practice and out of shape. I'd probably just fall on someone and lay there until they begged for mercy (you know standard sexytime stuff).

[kgolfer]

Ah, said grasshopper.

I don't know why I posted in this thread, after all......


NO ONE MESSES WITH TEXAS!

[AnticorRifling]

That's because no one wants to go to Texas to mess with it.

[Latrinsorm]

If this is the case, you would think that SOMEONE would have brought enough concern to the state that it would be cracked down on more by the police or somehow they'd limit their "benefits".Why do you think they started the whole CCTV surveillance system over there?

[Kuyuk]

But seriously, when I was in England I was told about chavs and never once was disrespected, attacked, looked at funny... anything. Do you wear clothes that say please harass me or something?


http://farm1.static.flickr.com/101/288150000_e9767b87d8.jpg

[Showal]

Why do you think they started the whole CCTV surveillance system over there?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/6524495.stm

It sounds like in addition to fighting off huge angry mobs, they started it to stop people from leaving trash around.

[Latrinsorm]

They were adding the talking feature to some of the 4.2 MILLION pre-existing cameras. For perspective, in 1995 the Baltimore Police Department had 16 and Baltimore has ~1/100th the population of the United Kingdom.

[Celephais]

England sure has a problem with the ultraviolence. Have you tried carrying around cartons of milk? You can just give them to people who threaten you, and then inform them that assault is worse than just drinking milk.

[Drew]

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/42764000/jpg/_42764725_cctv_montage_203.jpg

[Soulpieced]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQVaTEPOsTA

[4a6c1]

No they're what we call yob culture.
There's an entire mass of them in every neighbourhood everywhere in this country.
They just draw benefits from the state and attack everyone for no reason.
It's hard to get across how common it is to be beaten down on the street.

NONTRUTHINESS

Ive been a tourist(tourourist?) to your country like a gazillion times and never been non-consensually attacked by someone refering to himself as Yob.

[BriarFox]

I couldn't believe what? My attention span is short and I usually forget what I post like 5 minutes later.

That said, I'd be hard pressed to believe the average person can break someones bone (outside of like jaws, orbital sockets etc) in a street fight.

It takes about 15lbs of pressure to break a kneecap. It's not really that hard.

[Daniel]

Daniel, what would you do if confronted by 1 or more people hoping to tear your head off?




Hit first and hit often.

[Daniel]

It takes about 15lbs of pressure to break a kneecap. It's not really that hard.

How many street fights have you been in?

It may take 15 lbs of pressure, but it takes a whole lot of skill and focus to hit the kneecap dead on when you're getting wailed in the face.

[BriarFox]

It may take 15 lbs of pressure, but it takes a whole lot of skill and focus to hit the kneecap dead on when you're getting wailed in the face.

Agreed.

[Celephais]

Yob = http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWLByMshYIU

[Skeeter]

I used to get in fights... then I grew up and stopped going to college bars. Amazingly the problem fixed itself.

[AestheticLife]

Sweep -> Armbar, or Guillotine a bitch and hope they don't bite/scratch too hard.

[SHAFT]

i watched a special on dateline one time where a 17 year old kid punched another guy in the face and the guy fell down, hit his head and died. i vowed to never get into another fight again.

if i have to defend myself thats another story. but starting a fight? whats the point?

[Tisket]

You'll probably only ever have to worry about getting a beatdown from the punctuation police.

[Stanley Burrell]

Here is what kept me from ever being jumped. If this worked for me while I was in the South Bronx, it probably should work for you:

Walk. Fast. Only walk. And only walk fast. You are going from point A to point B.

Don't walk like a fucking faggot. Walk fast with a lean, always. Don't look at your watch. Arms always slightly rigid, don't swing your arms like you're taking a stroll.

Keep your eyes pointed four feet in front of you and learn how to look straight forward. If a group of people who don't look like happy campers are headed your way, maintain, and when you're like twelve paces from them, move towards them, enough that you'd bump into one of them, and then swerve back just a bit when you're another six paces closer. Do so subtly, do not make eye contact. Ever. Again, learn how to scope your surroundings without turning your head or moving your eyes.

Use crowds and traffic. I can't really explain this one because it uses too many words.

If you think you're being stalked, since you're in England, fake dropping something. Preferably your keys. Pick them up by the key-chain loops and and hook them between your fingers. Watch for body language. If the person stops, or passes you by and does something incredibly shifty while they move past you (e.g. really fast looking around, whistling, slows their pace down after they cross you) keep your keys locked around your fists. If they start half-stepping give an inquisitive "Oh, hi" and then open their face. If it's more than one person, you need to wild out and dash.

Pockets. If not, left fist on side, right hand pressing slightly behind your back, because you're stretching. Also, you can get really nice power behind your key hand.

Learn to physically move through crowds, people don't like being touched, which works with gentle pushes and lots of "excuse me, sorry'ing," Again, this is more crowd-working and it's too much to elaborate on, like raising your voice as loud as you can asking, so that it blares in everyone else's ears in the British ... Place "Where would you like me to go?" "You're going to rape/rob me, huh?" Etc. Simple crap.

If a group of chav-bastards somehow manages to get you against a wall, take any fear and panic in your heart, multiply it by a million and then try and physically express it. Don't look like an actor.

Snap the fuck out. I'd say, since it's worked for and on me, wait until someone gets face to face with you. Then bite off the biggest piece of their face or neck that you can. Scream like a fucking madman while laughing, then jet like a motherfucker. No one is not going to step back from that. Still look like you have the fear of death in you half a millisecond before unleashing psychosis.

Tally ho.

Edited to Add: Don't fight. Win.

[Xanator]

You'll probably only ever have to worry about getting a beatdown from the punctuation police.

The punctuation police will really only get him for small offenses. Class C misdemeanor type stuff. We'd better hide him from the capitalization cops, though.

[Carl Spackler]

No such thing as a cheap shot, just tactical advatanges.

The only thing I was ever told about fighting in my family is that if a fight was inevitable theres no rules. You do what you have to, to win, and thats that. Never throw the first punch but always throw the last. Eyes, Knees, Groin, Throat, anything you can do stop them from standing, seeing or breathing.