I feel the love

Posted by ZENNSUNNI on the offical boards.

Re: Murder in town · on 3/23/2004 9:35:26 PM 4889


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Yeah, since GS4 I've been noticing people escalating to PvP at the drop of a hat. I won't name names (cough Edine cough) but several individuals have been taking advantage of the luxuries this system allows; consequentially, an increase in PvP overall seems to be going on. Please keep in mind this is an impression, and could be factually wrong.

Anyhow, I would like to see GMs take a more active role in discouraging rampant PvP outside the boulder. I would also like to see Gamehosts who don't know the game policy half as well as many of us players do to shut their mouths and grant a GM referral when a PvP conflict is the issue in question.

End rant.

Kil

[Stunseed]

That's actually true. There's been a rise in PvP stemming from the whole Solhaven thing.

People bitch when DA kills em.
DA bitches when said people kill them back unwarrented.
DA settles score.
People settle score.

If no other place, that statement is true.

[Sean]

PvP or CvC

[Stunseed]

My apologies, Tijay's corrected me before I could edit myself.

CvC has been rising since GS4. PvP I couldn't tell you, but it does seem like alot recently.

Things will get worse when DR or DS come out in full effect.

but what im wondering is why I was singled out for it.

[Stunseed]

See "Another one bites the dust" thread.

[Sean]

I dunno you seem to want the quick route to infamy you seem to be on the right track.

You do boast about your kill rates. Like trying to argue with Ardwen over whose killed more people on psinet. Why wouldn't you expect to be singled out?

ahh but that is not PvsP, Edine has a reason for everyone he has killed <just about i think so many i cant keep track>

I really hope people dont take stuff like that seriously, i have little doubt that ardwen has managed more than me. I in that case was just joking around

[Edited on 3-24-2004 by The Edine]

[Sean]

Whether I take it seriously or not. Its how you present yourself to others. As far as PvP or CvC generally I find people say PvP when they mean CvC its not something I'd bother myself with. What I would focus more on is how or why he thinks your taking advantage of certain mechanics or luxuries to do it.

[Scott]

I don't know you well at all Edine, but on the occasion that I have seen you, I've seen you silence someone for making you look stupid. You argue with someone, they make a comment and you silence them.... I've heard that mentioned on these boards as well.... Take it for what you want, but if you play like that, that could be why....

[Edited on 3-24-2004 by Gemstone101]

[Sean]

Maybe I'm confused but this seems to be exactly what you wanted. Character infamy = Player infamy in some cases, the only problem is when it goes the other way around. This is a quote by you from the Jaymee thread. It basically states that you think your character is well known and why you think hes well known:


Originally posted by The Edine
I dont know what that has to do with this subject at all.
I am fairly sure that most of Elanthia has heard of me, I often in other towns with other characters hear my name being brought up in conversation.
one does not get famous by being nice to everyone, having everyone hate you on the other hand works well

Well if you admit that your rise to the top of the "famous" ladder is based on your ability to make people hate you then this should really be no suprise.

Personally my observations of your character are inline with the post on the official boards. From a CvC standpoint you play a very antagonistic character but you tend to fall back on your spells to silence or kill your opponents in the end. I admit I don't have that many times I can reference back to but the few times I've observed you this was the trend. Take this post however you want but its my perspective from an outside POV. You shouldn't be suprised that people think that way of you as a character and how that reflects on you.

[Edited on 3-24-2004 by Tijay]

[HarmNone]

I agree with Tijay, Edine. The way you play Edine does not make him a likeable character. It is commonly realized amongst most players that not everyone in game will separate the character from the player. In fact, I think those that do so are in the minority. Therefore, it is not surprising that you take flak for Edine's behaviors. :shrug:

HarmNone

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Based on your posts on these boards, I have no desire to interact with you at all.

But then, thats true for a few folks that post here ;)

[Parkbandit]

I actually enjoy hanging out with Edine... and laughing at him when he dies and I'm not even scratched. :)

-The Falgrin

[CrystalTears]

You wanted to become infamous. I've seen you bind and/or silence people just because you disagree about an issue. Those are two things that people really, really dislike because it limits their ability to roleplay back. This has been stated over and over, both here and on the official boards. So I don't know why you seem shocked or surprised that someone felt that strongly about your actions that they felt the need to single you out.

[Soulpieced]

Heh, and I highly doubt "nearly everyone" in Elanthia has ever heard of Edine. Something I learned a while ago is things aren't like they used to be, and the population is much more ignorant than one might think. I mean, who hasn't heard of the hardest swinging bard in the lands?... Quite a few.

[Jonty]

The only reason I know who Edine is, is because of these boards.

[Soulpieced]

Precisely. And Elanthia is much much larger than just the landing. Plenty of people exist ONLY in RR, Solhaven, Icemule, or the Nations, and have never heard of people you think would be "no brainers" as to someone who should be world renowned.

[Miss X]

Yeah, I hadnt heard of Edine untill I read something here about him when I first started reading. I only met him in game through Wezas, who has been friends with my charecter for a long time. Chica kinda likes Edine though, although she thinks hes a little strange for wanting to eat halflings!
My cleric met Edine under different circumstances, she didn't get along with him at all, but its all just RP. Out of game, I find the player of Edine to be a great guy, fun to chat to and generally cool. :)

[CrystalTears]

I've never had a problem with Edine's player (except maybe some of the cockiness he holds here that Edine gave him ;) ) and I think he's rather cool. I'm just now finding it odd that he's concerned about being singled out about being infamous. Isn't that what he wanted in the first place?

And as I said before, I never knew of Edine until these boards, and then coincidentally saw him a few times in Solhaven where most of my girls reside, and didn't like his actions, and this was within the last couple of months or so. You can't ever say for certain that you are well known somewhere because the lands are way too big to assume something like that.

[Wezas]

Edine the character kills, silences, binds, lectures, etc. And no, it's not just younger people. I've seen him killed and cast at many times from people much older then he is. You don't see him back down much at all.

He is a complete dick sometimes.

If you piss him off enough, he'll kill you and anyone in your family that steps up to the plate.

Is it a bit crazy? Yes. Is it a way of roleplaying? Yes. Is it CvC? Yes.

[HarmNone]

I have always found it intriguing that the people who believe their characters are "known throughout the lands" are nearly always those who play dark characters. Those who play nice characters (some of whom are very well known) are, most often, really surprised to find out just how well known their characters are. :)

HarmNone has known a few of both types

[Tsa`ah]

Originally posted by HarmNone
I have always found it intriguing that the people who believe their characters are "known throughout the lands" are nearly always those who play dark characters. Those who play nice characters (some of whom are very well known) are, most often, really surprised to find out just how well known their characters are. :)

HarmNone has known a few of both types

That's because it's easier to role-play a jackass than it is to role-play a saint.

Some people will go to any length for the attention, and if that attention continues after the player leaves, all the better. It's about leaving their "mark", even if that mark is a shit stain.

No one wants to role-play something that they're not familiar with, that's why I believe most character interactions are not that far removed from the player behind them.

So what if I can't kick your ass in reality, I'll burn up your deeds in game. It's seizing the role you want, but can't have.

Do note that this isn't every character you meet in game, but I'm willing to bet a years pay that it is better than 75% of them.

[Galleazzo]

Originally posted by The Edine
ahh but that is not PvsP, Edine has a reason for everyone he has killed <just about i think so many i cant keep track>Yeah, they all do seem to have a reason.

I'm just now finding it odd that he's concerned about being singled out about being infamous. Isn't that what he wanted in the first place?
Happens a lot. People want to be seen as badass mad dogs who'll pwn you at the drop of a hat. Then they go all boohoo on everyone when they're shunned by decent people and treated like the mad dogs they wanted to be.

Here's my sniffle for them all, boohoohoo.

:(

now dont get me wrong I could care less if my name was used, I dont mind seeing it in lights
This is the issue,what she is talking about is one PvsP and two me killing people in town.
>justice history

You have committed 1 crimes in Wehnimer's Landing in the last six months. They are:
1 count of endangering public safety

You have committed 1 crimes in Kharam Dzu in the last six months. They are:
1 count of petty theft
>
As you can see i dont make a practice of killing people in town
And i dont feel that i am randomly killing people just because I do not like them.
in relation to silence and binding people. if you pay close attention I only do such when people make personal insults, they are warned to stop, and if they continue to then they will get silenced. I dont just do it because I "think" people are getting the best of me, its the way Edine is... somebody who thinks so highly of themseves would not want to hear people call him a, "idiot, moron, stupid ect.

[Edited on 3-24-2004 by The Edine]

[Tsa`ah]

Those are crimes committed within the jurisdiction of said towns. I do not believe the counts are inclusive of crimes committed in the wilds.

the posts were pulled from the offical boards, but if you read the one i set up, it is talking about abuse of the justice system changes since GS4 came out.
Maybe she was going completely off topic, but what I got from the post and thoes that preceeded it was what i stated above.

[Betheny]

Anybody can attack anybody for 'IC' reasons. Those that inspire me are those that can keep their 'attacks' verbally.

Seriously, if you were debating with someone, you wouldn't whip out a gun and shoot them, yet somehow when you silence or bind or whatever someone in GS, you think you win? Unless it's a battle of CS or whatever, you lose.

I don't like Edine's character, at all. He drives me up a wall, because for someone that wants to come off so high and mighty, he sure doesn't put a lot of effort into typing properly, grammar, or any of that.

Also, anyone that acts like Kadesha with the itchy cast finger needs to go down.

But, Edine's player is an awesome guy, and I like him a lot. So... take this as you will.

Maimara if you remember our last encounter you yourself cast at me.
<points to the log that brought him to the boards>
I have no problem talking about anything in game, but I feel that when people have nothing better to do than sling names, then in my book the conversation is over and i am free to do what I wish, that being silence.

[Betheny]

I never said I didn't, don't be a dumbass. I don't make habit of it. You're the one that ran in and brought an out of character situation into the game, and when I asked you to stop 917239172312 times, you refused to.

[Tsa`ah]

Is the irony that evasive for you?

While I will agree that your rap sheet is the only thing that matters in the mechanical justice system, your actions alone have placed you in infamy.

Now that a crime in town can be scripted away, there are more players willing to use grief tactics that those such as yourself have always fallen back on. You have educated people through your actions how to do it and get away with it. Now that it can be done within the legal reach of towns with very little consequences.

You can complain every time you name is brought up in issues like this, but you forced that perception upon yourself. I remember Klaive making a similar complaint about those that had never interacted with him before holding preconceptions about the character.

You know what, if you quake the park enough, people will begin to attack you at first glance because they expect you to do it. Likewise, if someone hops out of hiding and lops of Edine’s head because he was just going to silence and kill them if they themselves did not take action first, then that’s something you have brought on yourself.

I find it humorous when people with reputations start complaining about how they are dealt with. I’ve been playing GS since it first hit AOL. I have but one time seen any of my characters named in threads like this, nor have I found any of their names at the root of a complaint.

heh please in the future try not to group me with klaive, this is far from being a similar situation.

[Atlanteax]

Originally posted by Soulpieced
Heh, and I highly doubt "nearly everyone" in Elanthia has ever heard of Edine. Something I learned a while ago is things aren't like they used to be, and the population is much more ignorant than one might think. I mean, who hasn't heard of the hardest swinging bard in the lands?... Quite a few.

Who's that, btw? Doubt it's Faegil, he's the Bard that everyone has heard of. :yes:

[Betheny]

I don't see how it's any different, really, except you aren't a psychotic chronic masturbator.

If you think it's ok for you to escalate to violence for name calling, then why are you so surprised people take that same attitude with you?

And... who cares what anyone else thinks? You're having fun in GS, y ou're enjoying it, you're playing like you want to play, regardless of who you piss off... so what's the deal?

[Tsa`ah]

Yet people lump such characters into one group. You may not wish to be associated with Klaive, but you are through simple perception.

[Atlanteax]

Originally posted by Maimara
I don't like Edine's character, at all. He drives me up a wall, because for someone that wants to come off so high and mighty, he sure doesn't put a lot of effort into typing properly, grammar, or any of that.

He seems insane IG, perhaps he's been touched by Zelia?

I still remember Edine's words at Malwind's Court. :rolleyes:

[HarmNone]

...if you pay close attention I only do such when people make personal insults, they are warned to stop, and if they continue to then they will get silenced. I dont just do it because I "think" people are getting the best of me, its the way Edine is... somebody who thinks so highly of themseves would not want to hear people call him a, "idiot, moron, stupid ect.

I see this from an entirely different perspective, Edine. To me, a person who thinks as highly of himself as Edine is purported to do would not stoop to silencing and binding the peons. Such recognition of their ability to antagonize would be beneath such an individual. What you describe is equivalent, in my mind, to swatting a fly with a 50-pound mallet. ;)

HarmNone and her opinion

[Sean]

Bind and silence also aren't spells considered offensive by the system (they can both also be cast in sancts as I guess they aren't spells of war) but both of those spells do plenty to add to the way other characters/players see a character.

[CrystalTears]

I don't remember ever seeing a warning. I would only see a frown and then a silence or a bind. Or perhaps a fog to someone out in the field and binding/silencing them there.

I'm in agreement with HarmNone. Someone who felt they were above it all wouldn't stoop lower to prove themselves. I'd be expecting more yawns and dismissals in the roleplay rather than a flat out bind or silence.

[Betheny]

The thing is, while bind and silence aren't damaging spells, they very much limit your RP.

So... when you're in an RP situation, and someone binds or silences you, you're basically fucked and can't do anything.

And their not being 'spells of war' is a cop-out. Anything with a detrimental effect (including airwall if used improperly) is a spell of war. Especially anything with a CS warding. (Curse is included in this, even though it doesn't have a warding. And lullabye too.)

[HarmNone]

This is why most attempts at roleplaying a dark character fail miserably, in my opinion. People seem to come up with an idea for a character, then fail to think it through as to how this character would act in a land like Elanthia.

There have been some wonderfully played darker characters but, for the most part, they just come off as silly, as I see it. The well-played one is a rarity. :(

HarmNone

[Sean]

This is gonna turn into like a Kadesha thread soon isn't it?

Okay so that was my poor attempt at humor. My personal advice? Sit back and see who can actually RP before trying to engage yourself into these situations. No I can't honestly say you don't do that because I don't know, but it does seem to me like you tend to try and RP with people who aren't interested or are incapable and thats why they end in "idiot" "loser" "asshole" kind of insults as a result. Try and work your way into a more established roleplay circle. Get involved in a quest. Do something other than antagonize people.

[Betheny]

You would probably not know a well played darker character unless you involved yo urself in their plot.

Maimara always had a fairly set plot line, and I allowed people to involve themselves in it if t hey chose to. Most people didn't know how... uh, crazy she was until Juspera and the whole Dark Alliance/Griffin Sword Saga plot became involved.

But I never set out to play her as evil. Maimara was always a conflicted, twisted, confused individual who was more like a perversion of a person's good nature than someone with a bad nature.

To pull off a character with quirks or negative personality traits is very, very hard. It'll never be easy, and it shouldn't be. I don't see Edine as being a very good 'bad' guy, just because he doesn't seem to have any real motivations or passions or anything like that. He doesn't seem very 'human' to me, he doesn't seem like a real person. He seems like a charicature of Dr. Evil.

Harmnone, CT, without having extensive interaction with my character and\or knowing the reason for my actions you can not really say one way or another.(its very possable that "if" you saw something like that happen it was with reason that you might not have noticed...[I dont frown])
and CT if i fog to somebody out in the field I am not there to bind or silence them. If that is the case I would be killing them, so i dont know what that was bassed on.

[HarmNone]

I just remembered something that happened in-game that can cause the hair to stand up on the back of my neck to this day. I remember Silvean once saying something like: "You have captured my interest, little one. I shall be watching your development very closely. If you see the shadows move around you, it is I, watching." I could literally feel the cold smile that followed through the monitor. The player shuddered, as did the character. ;)

HarmNone

[CrystalTears]

My answers have been based on things that my characters HAVE WITNESSED. I don't make shit up to follow sheep. I state my own opinions, thank you, and whether you frown, cross your arms, stare off into space.. whatever it is that shows that you've had enough with the interaction, you start binding and/or silencing. I've seen you do it to at least two people I know to the point that it bothered me SO much that I left. Luckily you were dealing with good roleplayers at the time who thought you were woth dealing with up until that binding moment. Just because my knowledge isn't from you interacting with me personally doesn't mean I'm blind to what happens around me.

[Edited on 3/24/2004 by CrystalTears]

[Parkbandit]

Originally posted by Tsa`ah

That's because it's easier to role-play a jackass than it is to role-play a saint.

Some people will go to any length for the attention, and if that attention continues after the player leaves, all the better. It's about leaving their "mark", even if that mark is a shit stain.

No one wants to role-play something that they're not familiar with, that's why I believe most character interactions are not that far removed from the player behind them.

So what if I can't kick your ass in reality, I'll burn up your deeds in game. It's seizing the role you want, but can't have.

Do note that this isn't every character you meet in game, but I'm willing to bet a years pay that it is better than 75% of them.

Actually.. I think if the player is a 'normal' type of individual... it is actually harder playing a jackass than a saint. I have a ranger that I have really tried to be a jackass.. and I catch myself all the time being too nice to elves and empaths.

Try being a complete jackass.. it's not easy.

[Parkbandit]

Originally posted by The Edine
the posts were pulled from the offical boards, but if you read the one i set up, it is talking about abuse of the justice system changes since GS4 came out.
Maybe she was going completely off topic, but what I got from the post and thoes that preceeded it was what i stated above.

Was it the thread I started last night? I saw that there were posts pulled and then the thread was closed.

No wonder I don't post there.

[Betheny]

It really does suck to be a jackass, I've tried it. Immersing yourself in the hatred of others is a real downer. Gotta have some redeeming qualities...

[Sean]

I'd play a jackass but honestly I'm just too lazy to carry around herb or decay a lot.

I have spent very little to no time in Solhaven in the last 5 months if not more so im not sure where it is comeing from CT thats why i questions it, if you could remember a name to help me out? I might be able to give a explanation

[CrystalTears]

Very little, however enough to cause a few people headaches.

But you know what, nevermind. You seem to think you're innocent of doing wrong and several people say they don't appreciate how you act sometimes. I'll leave this issue alone. I just have a problem with people who say they like to cause conflict and then in the same breath deny doing such a thing. Pick one.

[Edited on 3/24/2004 by CrystalTears]

[Galleazzo]

I saw you do it myself, Edine. Gonna be tough calling all of us liars.

please give me the person's name, I knowing how I play will in most cases have a reason Galleazzo

[CrystalTears]

What point is there to give you a name? To rationalize why you did what you did? Can't you just say "yes it was a debate and that's how I ended it"?

If it happened at least twice in just my eyes, it had to have happened with others as well for these people to get the same reaction. Just admit that you play the jerk that you said you had to play to get recognition and be done with it. These denials are getting old.

CT, I have never denied Edine being a jerk, in fact I strive for him to be one. What you did not see in most cases was the past behind something that occurred, thinking back the only person who has been silenced by me in solhaven that I can think of was a Empath "Mystic<something or other>" who went around screaming that Edine was a thief every time he would move. Granted I do steal, and I had from her, but I know she never caught me and most of the time it was a partner in crime who stole from her.
so that there is an example of why i would have silenced somebody
I do not deny doing it. I do on the other hand have a problem with how you characterize it, the way you state is makes it seem as if I walked into say the North market and Cast for no reason.

The comment about recognition was a joke veiled in a somewhat truth, I don't play so everyone knows my character, its just a bonus. I the player am amused and feel a sense of satisfaction when I am in another character (my others happen to be quite different from Edine... one is even nice <gasp>) and I hear people sitting in the park talking about Edine.
Now don't go taking anything as I said to say you are lying, I'm sure what you remember may seem similar to what you said, but I also know how I play my characters and I cannot recall my acting a certain way to anyone without a form of provocation. I will also add that edine doesn't just walk in and pick on somebody, people who dislike the attitude that Edine has decide on their own to interact with me.

[Galleazzo]

My idea of provocation ain't yours, guy. I say that the way I saw you handle it made Edine a jerk, that poor bint never had a chance. I had a ringside seat for it and I don't need anything more.

You'd make as many excuses as you're making now. You strive to play a jerk but you hate it when we call you one. You say it pissed you off that this empath called you a thief except that you'd stolen from her.

If you're going to play a jerk at least nut up and accept it.

Originally posted by Galleazzo

You'd make as many excuses as you're making now. You strive to play a jerk but you hate it when we call you one. You say it pissed you off that this empath called you a thief except that you'd stolen from her.

If you're going to play a jerk at least nut up and accept it.
I really am trying to see where your comeing from.... assume you are under the misconception that I am upset that people think I'm a jerk <if I'm wrong let me know> :grin:
the reason I was bothered by the post was that it accused me of something I had nothing to do with, nor do I do what I was accused of.

[DeV]

The one roleplay experience I had with Edine was quite satisfying on my end. But, your player has a reputation of being an ass. Why complain about it. Its how you molded him, its how you want him to be remembered. Suck it up, and roll with the punches.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

This thread reeks of "pay attention to me". Just a casual observation.

yeah your prolly right darkelfvold

[Hulkein]

I think Edine is hysterical in game... I crack up everytime he's messing around with people or acting like a god, it's good stuff.

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by The Edine
the reason I was bothered by the post was that it accused me of something I had nothing to do with, nor do I do what I was accused of. You should watch Angel. There was an episode where this chick went crazy and cut Spike's hands off because she thought he had killed her family and done assorted nasty things to her. She was mistaken, he had nothing to do with it. However, (and Spike realized this), Spike had done very many bad things to other people, so he had no right to complain. It was a good exploration of the character.

[HarmNone]

Originally posted by The Edine
Harmnone, CT, without having extensive interaction with my character andor knowing the reason for my actions you can not really say one way or another.

I do not play GemStone anymore, Edine, so would have no way of having any interaction with your character in-game. I was basing my comment on your descriptions of Edine, the character, here. You have said he has a high opinion of himself (to the point of extreme arrogance, I believe).

Someone who thinks that highly of himself would not, in my opinion, lower himself to fighting it out with the peons. They are beneath him, and their comments would be beneath him, as I see it. Such a character would be more likely to glance at the "fool", chuckle to himself, and walk away. At the most, he might say something to the effect of: "I was not aware that animals spoke Common." and continue about his business, ignoring the upstart completely.

To react further to insults by those he must consider his inferiors only empowers those inferiors. A character like Edine would not do that, logically.

HarmNone

Exactly why you need to have interacted with him to understand Harmnone.

[CrystalTears]

I don't have to interact with Bush to know he's an idiot. I can just watch him to get the gist of it. :P

[Ansherak]

You're version of role playing would be considered pure and unadulterated schoolyard bullyism in many peoples eyes (I think maybe I just made up a word!)

An example....

I was attacked by a little shit by the name of Pudgee the other day, I think you all know this fella....

I could have easily mopped the floor with his furry little halfling ass, Which didnt happen, I used the challenge verb to let him know my intention....he declined, so I merely whispered to him that if he wished to continue this current action there would be no further warnings and I would take whatever steps I felt appropriate.

That ended the conflict in a rather hurry.

Should he have been killed? More than likely, thats not the point though.

The point is, not everyone you get into a conflict with is looking for CvC or PvP, whichever, its a blurred line now days.

Sometimes a witty but enjoyable conflict far outweighs resorting to the old....My CS is higher than yours.

I have no doubt that you do not back down even if the character you are currently "rp"ing with can hand you your ass.

If every conflict you enter into degenerates into a who can cast the fastest or hardest, then you are missing so much more to what a good conflict is.

Some of my greatest rivals have never resorted to violence, whether they were older, or younger, and they are exactly the kinda people that you love to play "against".

Its fantastic to have great friends in the game, its even more satisfying to roleplay a conflict in a purely Idealistic way, in my very humble opinion.

Thats not to say there isnt a time and a place for getting a little physical, what seperates the thoroughbreds from the rest of the field is to intelligently pick your spots.

Just my opinion, but what do I know?

D~

[Edited on 3-25-2004 by Ansherak]

[Drew2]

Example of why I rock:

Callinar (I think that was the name. OLD Cleric guy) Interdicted me after I cast Fire Spirit at Tazelhoffe while we were playing around on the dais.

I had originally planned on beefing up my AS and just Major Shocking him into obvlivion, but after realizing that would probably be dumb, I got creative and just annoyed the shit out of him. I didn't scroll, I didn't use profanity, I would just slap him, punch him, kick him, poke him while he was meditating. Sure, I got bound and silenced and all that jazz, but it got him worked up and I was just sitting there having fun... which, I think, is a better revenge than just killing them and starting a whole war thing.

My point is, there are other ways to deal with people, regardless of their trains. I usually start off purely RP.. no mechanics involved.. when I get into conflicts. Then if they wanna cast and get all physical, sure I'll play. But to me, seeing who can be more creative in how they get to the other person is better.




Oh, and in the end of the Callinar conflict, I ended up abusing a bug and Calling Lightning on him where he was stunned twice and he slammed to avoid death, then he came back and hasn't so much as looked at me since. I totally rock. But don't follow that example.

[longshot]

Originally posted by The Edine

I really am trying to see where your comeing from....

I have to disagree.

These people are telling you the "why" of the question that you asked, and you are arguing with them.

Rather than trying to see things from another's perspective, which might gain you some insight, you sit here and ask for specifics and names?

There's a certain... Voldermort... who you sound a lot like right now.

[HarmNone]

Originally posted by The Edine
Exactly why you need to have interacted with him to understand Harmnone.

Not really, hon. What I am speaking of is not about Edine in particular, but about dark characters in general. The only specifics apply to dark characters who are played as arrogant and above the "muddling masses". This is what you have claimed Edine to be here on these boards.

I cannot tell you how to roleplay your character. Nobody can. Yet, you brought a situation to these boards and have received responses that, apparently, differ from your own response to what occured during that situation. What we are doing is sharing with you our "takes" on what happened and why.

Of course, you will play Edine as you see him to be. If there are underlying circumstances that make Edine, somehow, different than he is being seen, you may need to refine your roleplay a bit to allow those differences to be seen. From what I can gather from the responses you have received here, he is being seen as nothing more than a bully by many people. If that is the way you want him seen, you are doing everything right. If it is not how you want him to be seen, you may need to add further nuance to the way he is played.

HarmNone :)

heh no i have said he "thinks" he is that way, again ya really need to have interacted with him to know,
I dont roleplay him as perfect, I RP him as thinking he is. There is a big diffrence.

[Sean]

So how does he react when someone dispells that believe and finds a flaw and points out his imprefections?

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

prep 214....

they were only able to do such becaus he allowed it, one who is comes off as flawless would only scare those below him away, and he must allow them to feel comfortable around him.

[Betheny]

I don't think your goals are realistic, I really don't. Like I said, he doesn't come off as a believable person, and thus, people tend to think it's just you trying to be a jackass.

[HarmNone]

From what I am reading here, Dave, your portrayal of Edine might need some work. If you are trying to portray a conflicted character who would like the world to believe he is omnipotent, but is really something much less, such a portrayal will require a great deal of nuance. This is not an easy course to set for yourself; particularly, if you are fairly new to roleplaying (being new to roleplaying can mean differing things for different people). Thus, why most dark characters are very badly played.

HarmNone

Again harmnone not having interacted with Edine how can you know what my portrayal of him needs?
Really until you play gemstone again and spend time interacting with him you have no basis to say anything about my character, I don't prance around with people form the boards in game, except for a select few... Pierat, Falgrin and Wezas come to mind two of which i have been friends with for years, one of which was just a chance encounter and a useful hunting partner.

[Betheny]

She's going off of what other people are saying.

I'm trying to give you some constructive criticism here, listen to it or don't, it doesn't really matter, but it's the same advice I got from several people when I started playing a dark character, and it's advice I took to heart. And it turned out to be very true.

[HarmNone]

As you wish, Edine. I was trying to be helpful. :)

HarmNone

[Sean]

You don't have to interact with someone to know if something works or if something doesn't work on the scale of RP. Being like 60 and RPing for 59 years HN probably knows a thing or two about what it takes to sucessfully RP certain types of characters. She's just going off what shes experienced in the past and offering informationt hat might be benefical if you could get past the fact that she never actually RPed with you.

having not known how edine is played how is she in a position to crituqe how he is Tijay?
so tell me having not been a teacher yet having gone to school for 15 years I am in a position to tell teachers how to handle their classes?
Really Tijay come on.

[Sean]

Theres enough testimonial in this thread and others about your character to give her a basis to understand how your character works and they are just SUGGESTIONS about how you might potentially improve the way you play your character. Taking a situation like a teachers classroom and applying it to how you play a game is a bit of stretch in my mind also.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Jesus christ, this is just like the other thread. Give me advice, now let me argue with you on why I won't accept it.

[Betheny]

Be realistic, here.

You posted asking for opinions, you got them, you don't like them, then bite your damn tongue.

Just because you think your situation is uber-unique doesn't mean it actually is. It's just the same as everyone else's situations at some point or another. You're stereotyped.

You can horn in and give your opinion wherever you want to, but if someone else does it, you get pissy? Grow up.

Go back and look at the thread its not about how I Edine act in game, it is about being accused of something I have not done. IE kill in town.
Read my posts again if you question Maimara, Nowhere did i ask advice

other people made the thread what it is and took it down that path NOT I.

[HarmNone]

I am NOT "like 60", Tijay! Do not look deeply into your closet this eve. My minions are waiting for you there, and they are not happy. :D

HarmNone is 43, dammit!

[Sean]

Originally posted by The Edine
Go back and look at the thread its not about how I Edine act in game, it is about being accused of something I have not done. IE kill in town.
Read my posts again if you question Maimara, Nowhere did i ask advice

Actually if you wanna get technical the 1st post never mentions killing in town. It mentions the escalating amount of PvP (or CvC whatever).

that was my mistake not to include the previous posts
and perhaps the title, but if you read my following responces it is obvious what i was talking about, at least to me and some others who stayed On topic :smiles:

Originally posted by Tijay
Maybe I'm confused but this seems to be exactly what you wanted. Character infamy = Player infamy in some cases, the only problem is when it goes the other way around. This is a quote by you from the Jaymee thread. It basically states that you think your character is well known and why you think hes well known:


Originally posted by The Edine
I dont know what that has to do with this subject at all.
I am fairly sure that most of Elanthia has heard of me, I often in other towns with other characters hear my name being brought up in conversation.
one does not get famous by being nice to everyone, having everyone hate you on the other hand works well

Well if you admit that your rise to the top of the "famous" ladder is based on your ability to make people hate you then this should really be no suprise.

Personally my observations of your character are inline with the post on the official boards. From a CvC standpoint you play a very antagonistic character but you tend to fall back on your spells to silence or kill your opponents in the end. I admit I don't have that many times I can reference back to but the few times I've observed you this was the trend. Take this post however you want but its my perspective from an outside POV. You shouldn't be suprised that people think that way of you as a character and how that reflects on you.

[Edited on 3-24-2004 by Tijay]

In fact Tijay it was you who took it down the path to how the caracter is played.

[Sean]

How is it obvious or how were we somehow off topic...

1st post - You quoting the post from the offical boards. No commentary of your own

2nd post - Stunseed agreeing with increase in PvP

3rd post - me asking if we were discussing actual PvP or CvC after stuns post

4th post - Stunseed commenting on the fact that he meant CvC

5th post - YOU ASKING WHY YOU WERE SINGLED OUT IN THE 1ST POST. This post is why everyone is pointing out that you are being singled out because of your RP choices and your tendacy for CvC.

your welcome to read my responces after that, if you would like I could quote them for you:grin:

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Give up Tijay, not like anything is going to change here.

[Sean]

Because you changed the topic in your head sometime after the thread was already in progess it somehow invalidates where the thread began?

tijay when and where did i do that, It was not I who asked for "advice" on how to play my character but it appears you and others felt you should give that to me, so in your all knowing ability show me where i asked for adive on how I should play

feel free to read my responce again Tijay, it appears you missed it.. you must not have scrolled to the bottom of the page.


Originally posted by The Edine
now dont get me wrong I could care less if my name was used, I dont mind seeing it in lights
This is the issue,what she is talking about is one PvsP and two me killing people in town.
>justice history

You have committed 1 crimes in Wehnimer's Landing in the last six months. They are:
1 count of endangering public safety

You have committed 1 crimes in Kharam Dzu in the last six months. They are:
1 count of petty theft
>
As you can see i dont make a practice of killing people in town
And i dont feel that i am randomly killing people just because I do not like them.
in relation to silence and binding people. if you pay close attention I only do such when people make personal insults, they are warned to stop, and if they continue to then they will get silenced. I dont just do it because I "think" people are getting the best of me, its the way Edine is... somebody who thinks so highly of themseves would not want to hear people call him a, "idiot, moron, stupid ect.

[Edited on 3-24-2004 by The Edine]

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Originally posted by The Edine
but what im wondering is why I was singled out for it.

Refer to the above post SHM

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

You asked an open ended question, people answered. You didn't like the answer, now you are arguing schematics of what exactly you asked for.

people took it for what they did, i did not try to get into a debate about how my character is played, as you will notice all of my responces to that subject are, you cant really say anything until you interact with me.
Im sorry if you and others did not catch it the five times or more I stated that I will be less sublte in the future

[Sean]

If thats the route you wanna go we can talk about that too. But the fact that you are confusing someone discussing the justice system and how very different that is from discussing CvC speaks for itself. And then you proceed to address how you RP your character. Which as this thread can speak on its own translates to people finding issues with how you RP your character how it relates to CvC and how based on those two things improvements can be made to seperate you from the limelight.

again Tijay refer to the topic of the thread that was taken from the offical boards, I will assme that people skiped over that or ignored it and that is why you and others took it down the path you did. As i have said before I dont always read all of the posts, I mostly scan over them so I will assme also that is what other people did as well when they read the first post.

[Sean]

It reads much more like a oh by the way in addition to murder in town these are my observations post. But say I give in and assume at this point that they are talking.

What did you expect to come from this thread? You started the thread without a comment on the inital post.

Your 1st post with a comment was asking why you were singled out. So as a posting base we drew a conclusion (your RP) but thats not what you wanted to talk about.

Your 2nd post you make some claim about something not being PvP I wont actually pretend to know what you were referencing because you failed to quote and then you refer to your RPing (but we aren't supposed to talk about that).

Your 3rd post which is what 20 posts into the thread which you keep quoting you mention she references 2 things PvP (CvC) and Murder in town and proceed to mention that you don't kill in town so we accept that and default back to the 1st thing you mentioned PvP because hey guess what your whole bottom paragraph minus the 1st line is about CvC and your RP again. Do you see the pattern?

Seriously what did you want from this thread if it wasn't to discuss why you were being singled out for your PvP(CvC)?

Editted because paragraphs are my friend.

[Edited on 3-25-2004 by Tijay]