Sparklehorse Suicide

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Loved the work. Cheap out and disappointing.

[AnticorRifling]

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[Showal]

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/music/2010/03/09/2010-03-09_mark_linkous_of_sparklehorse_commits_suicide.ht ml

The guy who "was" sparklehorse committed suicide.

A quick google search informed me that I don't care.

[Jayvn]

Singer-songwriter Mark 'Sparklehorse' Linkous committed suicide over the weekend after receiving a text message. He was 47 years old.

.....are you fucking kidding me? god damn adult emos

[Jayvn]

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_Zu8vG8tYT9o/SJf5L_o7GvI/AAAAAAAAAP8/iaSqV8bA6ms/MIA+003.JPG

[Atlanteax]

Singer-songwriter Mark 'Sparklehorse' Linkous committed suicide over the weekend after receiving a text message. He was 47 years old.

.....are you fucking kidding me? god damn adult emos

That explains how Backlash knew about it.

[WRoss]

I'll agree with this bot

[Stanley Burrell]

Well, all artists who die at the height of their success are immediately immortalized. Like, for example, Layne Staley from Alice in Chains, John Lennon, Jimi Hendrix, Elvis, Bob Marley, Kurt Cobain and many more.
Bono even stated in an interview: for me to become really immortalized and even more successful, I should die, or even better, commit suicide.
It's a disturbing statement, but apparently it's true from what I've heard..
Just saying :)
However, I think that only goes for rock stars. If you're not in the spotlights yet, dying won't help you gain commercial success.


Thanks

Spot-on botman. The only difference is that you don't have to be a rock star (unless you're using that as a figure of speech for any quality entertainer) because Tupac and Biggie were immortalized. Good point though.

[Drisco]

So are we on board with this botman or not. I can't tell if he's real.

Ontopic: Showal said everything that needed to be said.

/endthread.

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

Singer-songwriter Mark 'Sparklehorse' Linkous committed suicide over the weekend after receiving a text message. He was 47 years old.

.....are you fucking kidding me? god damn adult emos

Sort of my reaction too.

This is begging for a depressed dog image.

[Cephalopod]

http://imgur.com/fiQdV.jpg

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

LOL

[TheEschaton]

Well, all artists who die at the height of their success are immediately immortalized. Like, for example, Layne Staley from Alice in Chains, John Lennon, Jimi Hendrix, Elvis, Bob Marley, Kurt Cobain and many more.
Bono even stated in an interview: for me to become really immortalized and even more successful, I should die, or even better, commit suicide.
It's a disturbing statement, but apparently it's true from what I've heard..
Just saying :)
However, I think that only goes for rock stars. If you're not in the spotlights yet, dying won't help you gain commercial success.


Thanks

How do you put Layne Staley ahead of everyone else on that list? Hint: You had to tell people what band he was in for people to have an idea of who he was.

[Chaddy]

How do you put Layne Staley ahead of everyone else on that list? Hint: You had to tell people what band he was in for people to have an idea of who he was.

Why are you questioning what the bot posted? The bot is wise beyond your years. Bots know all.

[DCSL]

I know who Layne Staley was. I had to look up this emo Sparklehorse crap.

[Showal]

I can't wait for the bot's response.

[Asha]

Fuck me that bot was intense.

[BigWorm]

While Sparklehorse is a gay-ass name, his music was NOT emo. His latest album, Dark Night of the Soul, which he made with DJ Danger Mouse of Gnarls Barkley fame, was very enjoyable and not emo. Unless you think Iggy Pop, the Flaming Lips, and Frank Black (Pixies) are emo, as they all guested on tracks on that album...

Anyway, my real point is that I don't think its fair to just dismiss a person as "emo" when they take their own life. While there are a lot of douchebags who act "depressed" because its the cool thing to do nowadays, taking his life was a pretty clear sign that he wasn't "pretending" to have problems.

What I hate most about this attitude is that it makes it that much harder for people with real problems to ask for help. Unless you or someone close to you has been in that bad of shape, you wouldn't understand how difficult it is for a person to get help.

[AnticorRifling]

While Sparklehorse is a gay-ass name, his music was NOT emo. His latest album, Dark Night of the Soul, which he made with DJ Danger Mouse of Gnarls Barkley fame, was very enjoyable and not emo. Unless you think Iggy Pop, the Flaming Lips, and Frank Black (Pixies) are emo, as they all guested on tracks on that album...

Anyway, my real point is that I don't think its fair to just dismiss a person as "emo" when they take their own life. While there are a lot of douchebags who act "depressed" because its the cool thing to do nowadays, taking his life was a pretty clear sign that he wasn't "pretending" to have problems.

What I hate most about this attitude is that it makes it that much harder for people with real problems to ask for help. Unless you or someone close to you has been in that bad of shape, you wouldn't understand how difficult it is for a person to get help.

He killed himself he is, in fact, emo.

Nevermind the fact that the name of the album is emo. He got some people to guest some tracks, weee. I wouldn't listen to it so I'lm going to form my uneducated opinion and be ok with it :)

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

While Sparklehorse is a gay-ass name, his music was NOT emo. His latest album, Dark Night of the Soul, which he made with DJ Danger Mouse of Gnarls Barkley fame, was very enjoyable and not emo. Unless you think Iggy Pop, the Flaming Lips, and Frank Black (Pixies) are emo, as they all guested on tracks on that album...

Anyway, my real point is that I don't think its fair to just dismiss a person as "emo" when they take their own life. While there are a lot of douchebags who act "depressed" because its the cool thing to do nowadays, taking his life was a pretty clear sign that he wasn't "pretending" to have problems.

What I hate most about this attitude is that it makes it that much harder for people with real problems to ask for help. Unless you or someone close to you has been in that bad of shape, you wouldn't understand how difficult it is for a person to get help.

As someone who has been personally effected by suicide, I still don't get how offing yourself when you're a celebrity/well known is somehow more untouchable for jokes than when celebrities die in other ways -- accidental ODs, freak accidents, cancer, etc.

By 'this attitude' I assume you're referring in general to the stigma around mental illness and thus suicide. I would disagree that it makes it more difficult for a person to reach out for help- it may make it more difficult for people to be forthright with complete strangers about their condition but there's really no excuse to not seek professional help. There's still stigma around AIDS and we'd think anyone who didn't go get treatment for HIV/AIDS and thus died prematurely because of it was fucking dumb. I think the people who would use an excuse of 'but people will look at me funny!' to not get help would find another excuse to shirk taking responsibility for their health, even if there wasn't said stigma.

Life isn't fair, plus, this is the internet. Everything and anything is fair game to be lol'd at.

[DCSL]

Killing oneself has always looked like the selfish coward's way out to me and I will not stop making fun of those who take it as emo douches. Welcome to the internet.

[Cephalopod]

Life isn't fair, plus, this is the internet. Everything and anything is fair game to be lol'd at.


Killing oneself has always looked like the selfish coward's way out to me and I will not stop making fun of those who take it as emo douches. Welcome to the internet.

QFT.

Also, unrelated picture:
http://www.xerq.net/lulz/0907-JULY/B6uB1Sc2QFt6.jpg

[BigWorm]

As someone who has been personally effected by suicide, I still don't get how offing yourself when you're a celebrity/well known is somehow more untouchable for jokes than when celebrities die in other ways -- accidental ODs, freak accidents, cancer, etc.

By 'this attitude' I assume you're referring in general to the stigma around mental illness and thus suicide. I would disagree that it makes it more difficult for a person to reach out for help- it may make it more difficult for people to be forthright with complete strangers about their condition but there's really no excuse to not seek professional help. There's still stigma around AIDS and we'd think anyone who didn't go get treatment for HIV/AIDS and thus died prematurely because of it was fucking dumb. I think the people who would use an excuse of 'but people will look at me funny!' to not get help would find another excuse to shirk taking responsibility for their health, even if there wasn't said stigma.

Life isn't fair, plus, this is the internet. Everything and anything is fair game to be lol'd at.

I definitely don't meant that its an untouchable topic. Like you said, its the internet, so anything is fair game. However, I am not talking about this specific case about a celebrity, more the general attitude/stigma to which you alluded as well.

From your second paragraph, it seems like you are upset about someone not making the choice that you think there is "no excuse" not to make. To me, that shows that you don't understand just how difficult that is to do. While its clear cut and easy from an outside perspective, such a rational decision can be difficult if not near impossible for the person experiencing it.

This has already gotten off the original topic and into territory that is obviously personal for both of us, so I am going to leave this alone now.

[BigWorm]

Killing oneself has always looked like the selfish coward's way out to me and I will not stop making fun of those who take it as emo douches. Welcome to the internet.

Not true at all. Tell that to the ancient Roman/Greek/Egyptians or many asian cultures (e.g. seppuku/kamikaze). Even today in non-Judeo-Chrisitan cultures, suicide can still be seen as an honorable act.

[Bobmuhthol]

Maybe I'm insane but I think justifying an act not by the merits of the act but instead how the act is viewed by the general population (read: a bunch of fucking morons) is... insane. Ancient cultures did stupid shit all the time, so it makes sense that they thought suicide was the bee's knees. People who "honor" suicide, especially today, are retarded people.

[AnticorRifling]

You're missing the point. The douche bag called himself sparklehorse.

[Jayvn]

It has more impact when you say it 'Thbarklehorse"

[ElvenFury]

You're missing the point. The douche bag called himself sparklehorse.
No kidding. Sometimes a loss just isn't that big of a loss.

[Parkbandit]

While Sparklehorse is a gay-ass name, his music was NOT emo. His latest album, Dark Night of the Soul, which he made with DJ Danger Mouse of Gnarls Barkley fame, was very enjoyable and not emo. Unless you think Iggy Pop, the Flaming Lips, and Frank Black (Pixies) are emo, as they all guested on tracks on that album...

Anyway, my real point is that I don't think its fair to just dismiss a person as "emo" when they take their own life. While there are a lot of douchebags who act "depressed" because its the cool thing to do nowadays, taking his life was a pretty clear sign that he wasn't "pretending" to have problems.

What I hate most about this attitude is that it makes it that much harder for people with real problems to ask for help. Unless you or someone close to you has been in that bad of shape, you wouldn't understand how difficult it is for a person to get help.

http://whatthebeans.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/emo.jpg

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

I definitely don't meant that its an untouchable topic. Like you said, its the internet, so anything is fair game. However, I am not talking about this specific case about a celebrity, more the general attitude/stigma to which you alluded as well.

From your second paragraph, it seems like you are upset about someone not making the choice that you think there is "no excuse" not to make. To me, that shows that you don't understand just how difficult that is to do. While its clear cut and easy from an outside perspective, such a rational decision can be difficult if not near impossible for the person experiencing it.

This has already gotten off the original topic and into territory that is obviously personal for both of us, so I am going to leave this alone now.

I've been more than open on this forum about both my personal experiences with suicide, and mental illness, and I'm going to wager I understand a lot better than you do. I can tell you with certainty that even for the person experiencing it, there IS a choice. It's this "poor me" or "poor you" attitude that I truly cannot stand and find more demeaning than any amount of negative "you crazy!!1" stigma. This idea that no matter what you're just the perpetual victim of yourself and you have no control at all. There's a big difference between believing that we all can make decisions and thinking you can just will yourself all better, obviously, but there's also a big difference between having compassion and tolerance for someone who's trying to get better, and just in general pitying the ill and thus writing off responsibility on account of illnesses, that are actually quite treatable.

[AnticorRifling]

See that's a dumb wager, you don't know what he's had to deal with personally. Also my XYZ killed him/her self using method 2 > your ABC killing him/her self using method 4.3b isn't going to win...ever.

Unless we go back to my post concerning piano wire, super glue, and a tall building, that does win.

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

I thought my contribution to that thread was pretty good.. wire, a convertible, and an alleyway that spills into a busy road!

[Some Rogue]

"I use my scissorhooves to cut myself so I can feel"
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a64/lrenzo2/MyLittleEdwardScissorPony.jpg

[TheEschaton]

Nevermind the fact that the name of the album is emo.

Dark Night of The Soul is a mystical work by St. John of the Cross, a medieval saint. I don't know if that's where this guy got the name for the album, but if it is, the book is all about the cleansing power of the darkness before the dawn of salvation. It's a very redemptive piece, and not about wallowing in darkness etc (IE, being emo).

[AnticorRifling]

You're brown, Jesus and the saints were white (we've all seen the pictures) therefor you're wrong. Thanks.

[TheEschaton]

Jesus and the saints were brown, despite what your pictures depict kthx.

[Some Rogue]

Jesus and the saints were brown, despite what your pictures depict kthx.

Only because he had a tan from working outside as a carpenter. Duh.

[Cephalopod]

Jesus and the saints were brown, despite what your pictures depict kthx.

I think he's more pink, honestly. I've been told this is an authoritative depiction:
http://aspectsofreligion.wikispaces.com/file/view/jesus_cross.jpg/30758107/jesus_cross.jpg

[TheEschaton]

Jesus had big nipples?

[Bobmuhthol]

And he was so concerned with building upper body mass that he neglected his legs until they atrophied.

[Cephalopod]

Jesus had big nipples?

As Judas liked to say, "Like fucking dessert plates, man!"

[Sean of the Thread]

A fucking text message you got to be kidding me.

What a fucking tardfail.

[Stanley Burrell]

I shall be called Sparkleballz the Magnificent.

[Showal]

Not true at all. Tell that to the ancient Roman/Greek/Egyptians or many asian cultures (e.g. seppuku/kamikaze). Even today in non-Judeo-Chrisitan cultures, suicide can still be seen as an honorable act.

Seppuku was seen as an honorable way out when you've committed an unredeemable dishonorable act.

Kamikaze is a way of defending your country and family while killing yourself.

I don't know what you're talking about with the Roman/Greek/Egyptians, but I can assure you, none of these cultures ever thought "Too sad for life? People just don't 'get' you? Kill yourself, it's honorable."

[AnticorRifling]

If I was picked to be a Kamikaze I'd say "Hell yeah thank you for this honor" then I'd get in the plane and .... GO LAND SOMEWHERE ELSE!

[TheEschaton]

Seppuku was seen as an honorable way out when you've committed an unredeemable dishonorable act.

Kamikaze is a way of defending your country and family while killing yourself.

I don't know what you're talking about with the Roman/Greek/Egyptians, but I can assure you, none of these cultures ever thought "Too sad for life? People just don't 'get' you? Kill yourself, it's honorable."

Actually, Marcus Aurelius, the philosopher-king, and emperor of Rome, wrote once about suicide: "If the hut is on fire, one does not stay because it was the fate they were dealt. If the hut smokes, get out."

Suicide in the ancient Roman/Greek was not a "sin" or as deep a social stigma - it was an acceptable, though less preferred, method of dealing with shit. Hell, even in Caeser, by Shakespeare (if you need a more pop culture-esque reference), Brutus took the "honorable" way out by killing himself, falling on his sword, rather than being caught and tried for treason. It is like seppuku in that way, but extended to more than just dishonorable, unredeemable acts.

-TheE-

[AnticorRifling]

Actually, Marcus Aurelius, the philosopher-king, and emperor of Rome, wrote once about suicide: "If the hut is on fire, one does not stay because it was the fate they were dealt. If the hut smokes, get out."

Suicide in the ancient Roman/Greek was not a "sin" or as deep a social stigma - it was an acceptable, though less preferred, method of dealing with shit. Hell, even in Caeser, by Shakespeare (if you need a more pop culture-esque reference), Brutus took the "honorable" way out by killing himself, falling on his sword, rather than being caught and tried for treason. It is like seppuku in that way, but extended to more than just dishonorable, unredeemable acts.

-TheE-

But don't you escape the burning hut to keep on living? Not to sit in it and die? NOSE BLEED

[TheEschaton]

The burning hut is your life, outside is the afterlife. Dumbass.

I suppose all of this depends on your view of what happens after you die.

[AnticorRifling]

The burning hut is your life, outside is the afterlife. Dumbass.

I suppose all of this depends on your view of what happens after you die.

You weren't there it could have been a real hut!!!

[Parkbandit]

If your life is that shitty.. why not pack a bag and move somewhere else, leaving behind everything?

I never understood suicide to escape your poor, poor life. Boo fucking hoo.

[Showal]

If your life is that shitty.. why not pack a bag and move somewhere else, leaving behind everything?

I never understood suicide to escape your poor, poor life. Boo fucking hoo.

Too hard. Killing yourself is much easier.

[Latrinsorm]

"I use my scissorhooves to cut myself so I can feel"Edward Scissorhands was not emo at all. :tool:
If I was picked to be a Kamikaze I'd say "Hell yeah thank you for this honor" then I'd get in the plane and .... GO LAND SOMEWHERE ELSE!They would probably be thrown off because you were speaking English, too! This plan is bulletproof.

[AnticorRifling]

Edward Scissorhands was not emo at all. :tool: They would probably be thrown off because you were speaking English, too! This plan is bulletproof. That and being 5'10" with round blue eyes....

[TheEschaton]

Hahahaha, I'm taller than you, you little, little man.

[AnticorRifling]

I can board an airplane without a full body cavity search. Who's laughing now?!

[Asha]

Wow.
Zing.

[TheEschaton]

I can board an airplane without a full body cavity search. Who's laughing now?!

You can, but you don't, because you always request it.

[AnticorRifling]

You see what they charge for tickets? Gotta take advatange of all the services or you're not getting your money's worth.

[Back]

If your life is that shitty.. why not pack a bag and move somewhere else, leaving behind everything?

I never understood suicide to escape your poor, poor life. Boo fucking hoo.

This is where PB and I agree. Even the worst days of your life are meant to be felt.

I feel the same about Kurt Cobain as I do about Mark... loved the work, sorry to see them go. We wanted them to remain.

[TheEschaton]

Except Cobain actually made relevant, good music.

[Back]

Except Cobain actually made relevant, good music.

Elitist much? How is that even quantifiable?

[AnticorRifling]

Because it's right. Don't get defensive because your sparkleprincess off'd himself and most people will never know/care.

[Parkbandit]

This is where PB and I agree. Even the worst days of your life are meant to be felt.

I feel the same about Kurt Cobain as I do about Mark... loved the work, sorry to see them go. We wanted them to remain.

That was directed towards most people. In your case, suicide is actually the best option for everyone.

[Back]

Hey. Neither is right. Heroin kills.

[Back]

That was directed towards most people. In your case, suicide is actually the best option for everyone.

Pfft. Like the world would not be a nicer place without you? STFUADAOK?

[Parkbandit]

Pfft. Like the world would not be a nicer place without you? STFUADAOK?

Did you really just use that as a retort?

Pee Wee might be proud... though I doubt it.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Ne5Lb2SiFHg/SLWli_APtOI/AAAAAAAAP2o/TLKA5IHpv7U/s400/pee+wee.png

[Dr Kevorkian]

And to think, I offered a free consult!

[Kuyuk]

I cant stand to listen to nirvana music now that I'm not 12. It's awful now.

[TheEschaton]

You've got awful taste in music then, Kuyuk.