If you smoke and want to quit

[Elgrim]

I don't know how many of you all are smokers out there, but I'm guessing a good number. If you are like most smokers, you know you need to stop but haven't been able to for whatever reason. There's a few that probably don't want to stop and that's fine too.

Anyway, I wanted to post this as a possible method for those who would like to stop but don't know how.

I was a smoker for 21 years. I started my freshman year in high school and never looked back. I tried a number of different ways to quit once I got older and nothing worked. Patches, gum, you name it. I'd quit, gain weight, and start smoking soon after. Hopefully this post doesn't sound like an advertisement!

So, I was on Facebook last year and saw this ad for one of those electronic cigarettes and figured I'd check it out. I bought a very overpriced one that sucked, but I kept researching and over the course of a few weeks found a solid model that worked well. I've been "analog" free, analog being the term that "vapers" or people that use electronic cigs call regular cigarettes, for 7 months now and have no desire to light up. I can walk by people smoking and not get the urge. Best thing is, I can vape in my office.

There are a lot of good websites out there with info about these devices. Here are two that really stand out for me and helped me get started:

http://www.vaportalk.com/

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/


I wouldn't bother posting all this if I didn't truly believe in it. I haven't touched a cigarette since the day I got my first e-cig. It was really THAT EASY to quit.

Basically the device vaporizes a mixture of propylene glycol and nicotine, along with whatever flavoring you like, and you inhale it. It has no cancer causing ingredients and has no harmful second hand smoke. You exhale water vapor which resembles smoke, but is lighter and dissipates quickly.

I would be more than happy to answer any questions people might have. I also know a number of good websites to get the devices from, as well as which ones to avoid.

Fire away!

[WRoss]

So, it's a nicotine delivery system in which you can regulate how much nicotine you get? Nicotine...one of the most dangerous poisons on Earth.

Sweet! Sign me up.

[phantasm]

What are the negative health impacts of vaporized nicotine?

[Elgrim]

So, it's a nicotine delivery system in which you can regulate how much nicotine you get? Nicotine...one of the most dangerous poisons on Earth.

Sweet! Sign me up.

You can regulate it based on what is available. And the strengths available are not of that toxicity level :)

Sure, if you vaporized 99% nicotine you would die with a quickness. But then again, thats darwin for ya.

[Cephalopod]

Wouldn't it be easier to set up a liquified nicotine drip-IV? Just mainline that shit, get it over with fast.

[Elgrim]

What are the negative health impacts of vaporized nicotine?

Studies have shown no carcinogens in nicotine at any level. Same for the carrier base used with e-cigs. Propelyne glycol, or PG, is actually used in vaporized form in walk in humidors at cigar shops and has been used in hospitals as an air based anti-viral and anti-bacterial agent.

[Parkbandit]

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I have three friends that used that after trying to quit repeatedly over the years and it worked.

Of course, now they are "OMG THAT MAN IS SMOKING WAY OVER THERE AND I CAN STILL SMELL IT! THE NERVE!!!"

[Elgrim]

Studies have shown no carcinogens in nicotine at any level. Same for the carrier base used with e-cigs. Propelyne glycol, or PG, is actually used in vaporized form in walk in humidors at cigar shops and has been used in hospitals as an air based anti-viral and anti-bacterial agent.

Adding though, as stated, nicotine is a poison. So is caffeine.

The levels needed to kill an adult are FAR higher than what is used in an e-cig or standard cigarette. It is still wise to keep it away from small children and pets.

[Elgrim]

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I have three friends that used that after trying to quit repeatedly over the years and it worked.

Of course, now they are "OMG THAT MAN IS SMOKING WAY OVER THERE AND I CAN STILL SMELL IT! THE NERVE!!!"

Tried it, didn't work for me. It also has some side effects from what I have been told. Made my sister turn into super-bitch.

[WRoss]

Are you getting kickbacks from people signing up?

[WRoss]

I did Chantix. It worked, but after you stop taking it, it's easy to start back up. All it is is a nicotine blocker. It also can give you some bad migraines, weird dreams, tear up your stomach...etc

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

Chantix has made some people horribly depressed/suicidal. IMO it should be used very cautiously. I know it works for some people but it's not a miracle for everyone :/

[Elgrim]

Are you getting kickbacks from people signing up?

LOL, nope. Those sites are free, they are just forums with other people who use the devices. Have FAQs, Q/A, and just general banter like here.

I just want to help people because I wish I would have found out about these sooner.

To note, since I learned about these, people that I've shown these to and have also quit are:

My best friend
Girlfriend
Dad (who smoked for 54 years)
Sister
About 10 people at work



If I WAS making a kickback I'd be doing well :)

[Elgrim]

Right now I am vaping Caramel Macchiato flavor in my office at work. I also regularly vape Banana Cream Pie.

Tell me a cigarette that provides that? :)

[Kithus]

Hmm maybe I'll get my fiancee one of these. She's been trying to quit. I, on the other hand, am going to take a cigarette break.

[Parkbandit]

Tried it, didn't work for me. It also has some side effects from what I have been told. Made my sister turn into super-bitch.

Your sister is a female.. so being a super-bitch can't be blamed on drugs.

[Elgrim]

Your sister is a female.. so being a super-bitch can't be blamed on drugs.

She's actually quite the opposite :)

[Cephalopod]

She's actually quite the opposite :)

Your sister isn't female!?

[Elgrim]

Your sister isn't female!?

I deserved that.

[BigWorm]

Right now I am vaping Caramel Macchiato flavor in my office at work. I also regularly vape Banana Cream Pie.

Tell me a cigarette that provides that? :)

I'm fairly certain this is the first time I've heard someone other than a pothead use the term vape.

[Latrinsorm]

This seems like it should have been an idea a long time ago. Better late than never! I hope it catches on.

[Spectral]

I have one of these systems, and they're really a waste of money. The e-cigs don't work half the time, and since you can then "smoke" in places you wouldn't normally be able to, it makes you smoke more, and creates more of a need for nicotine. They are an alternative to smoking, sure, but not a quit smoking aid, as all reputable vendors of this product will state.

[Elgrim]

I have one of these systems, and they're really a waste of money. The e-cigs don't work half the time, and since you can then "smoke" in places you wouldn't normally be able to, it makes you smoke more, and creates more of a need for nicotine. They are an alternative to smoking, sure, but not a quit smoking aid, as all reputable vendors of this product will state.

Spectral, what brand did you get?

I know of several people on the various e-cig boards who picked up some of the really crappy models that are sometimes sold in kiosks in malls and they had all but thrown them away. If you got a Smoking Anywhere product I see exactly why you had problems.

Also, I vape FAR less than I ever smoked. I was almost 2 packs a day for 15 years. Now I take a drag every 30 minutes or so and I am fine.

Reputable vendors HAVE to say they are not a stop smoking aid. It's a legal thing. If they say they help smoking cessation then it becomes a "drug intended to treat or diagnose" a condition and the FDA has authority to control it. This is something the e-cig community has been fighting against for several years now.

Not everyone has the same experience with this, but take some time, do the research, and you will be very impressed with the results.

[Elgrim]

This seems like it should have been an idea a long time ago. Better late than never! I hope it catches on.

They've been around in Europe and Asia for a good many years, they are just now catching on in the states.

The reason we don't hear about this? Big Tobacco. Don't underestimate the power of BT and all their cronies!

[Clove]

Right now I am vaping Caramel Macchiato flavor in my office at work. I also regularly vape Banana Cream Pie.

Tell me a cigarette that provides that? :)Actually I quit smoking cold turkey about 7 years ago. Is it easy to get readdicted to nicotene by vaping? I miss my nic fits!!!
They've been around in Europe and Asia for a good many years, they are just now catching on in the states.

The reason we don't hear about this? Big Tobacco. Don't underestimate the power of BT and all their cronies!You could be on to something there. I hear big tobacco isn't interested in selling to Europeans or Asians.

[Elgrim]

Actually I quit smoking cold turkey about 7 years ago. Is it easy to get readdicted to nicotene by vaping? I miss my nic fits!!!You could be on to something there. I hear big tobacco isn't interested in selling to Europeans or Asians.

They are just as interested, but have far less control over there.

[Elgrim]

Using Clove's point. The idea of vaping isn't curing the reason people smoke, nicotine addiction. It simply lets you get nicotine without the 5000 chemicals associated with cigarette smoke. You don't get cancer from nicotine. You get cancer from the carcinogens in tobacco.

[Spectral]

They sell them in mall kiosks? What am I missing out on by not having a real mall anywhere nearby? I've had Vapor King, Green Smoke and Blu cigs, and none of them have been any good, but they're supposedly some of the best quality available.

The bad thing is, I wasn't smoking, hadn't smoked in years, and thought it would be harmless to pick up. Wrong. I find it more addicting than regular cigs because it doesnt make your clothing, and hair reek of smoke as a deterrent.

The product is fine as another way to get your nic fix, but it's not really honest to say its a quit smoking aid. All it does it give you another, different addiction to battle.

[NicAlbion]

I had no problem to stop smoking cigarettes.

[Elgrim]

The product is fine as another way to get your nic fix, but it's not really honest to say its a quit smoking aid. All it does it give you another, different addiction to battle.

Same addiction, that won't kill you.


When it boils down to facts, vaping something with nicotine is better than smoking something with nicotine PLUS all the other stuff in a cigarette.

There are over 4000 chemicals released when burning a cigarette. Below is the released list of the 599+ ingredients used to make a cigarette, as released by the 5 major tobacco companies per federal requirement:

# Acetanisole
# Acetic Acid
# Acetoin
# Acetophenone
# 6-Acetoxydihydrotheaspirane
# 2-Acetyl-3- Ethylpyrazine
# 2-Acetyl-5-Methylfuran
# Acetylpyrazine
# 2-Acetylpyridine
# 3-Acetylpyridine
# 2-Acetylthiazole
# Aconitic Acid
# dl-Alanine
# Alfalfa Extract
# Allspice Extract, Oleoresin And Oil
# Allyl Hexanoate
# Allyl Ionone
# Almond Bitter Oil
# Ambergris Tincture
# Ammonia
# Ammonium Bicarbonate
# Ammonium Hydroxide
# Ammonium Phosphate Dibasic
# Ammonium Sulfide
# Amyl Alcohol
# Amyl Butyrate
# Amyl Formate
# Amyl Octanoate
# alpha-Amylcinnamaldehyde
# Amyris Oil
# trans-Anethole
# Angelica Root Extract, Oil and Seed Oil
# Anise
# Anise Star, Extract and Oils
# Anisyl Acetate
# Anisyl Alcohol
# Anisyl Formate
# Anisyl Phenylacetate
# Apple Juice Concentrate, Extract, and Skins
# Apricot Extract and Juice Concentrate
# 1-Arginine
# Asafetida Fluid Extract And Oil
# Ascorbic Acid
# 1-Asparagine Monohydrate
# 1-Aspartic Acid
# Balsam Peru and Oil
# Basil Oil
# Bay Leaf, Oil and Sweet Oil
# Beeswax White
# Beet Juice Concentrate
# Benzaldehyde
# Benzaldehyde Glyceryl Acetal
# Benzoic Acid
# Benzoin
# Benzoin Resin
# Benzophenone
# Benzyl Alcohol
# Benzyl Benzoate
# Benzyl Butyrate
# Benzyl Cinnamate
# Benzyl Propionate
# Benzyl Salicylate
# Bergamot Oil
# Bisabolene
# Black Currant Buds Absolute
# Borneol
# Bornyl Acetate
# Buchu Leaf Oil
# 1,3-Butanediol
# 2,3-Butanedione
# 1-Butanol
# 2-Butanone
# 4(2-Butenylidene)-3,5,5-Trimethyl-2-Cyclohexen-1-One
# Butter, Butter Esters, and Butter Oil
# Butyl Acetate
# Butyl Butyrate
# Butyl Butyryl Lactate
# Butyl Isovalerate
# Butyl Phenylacetate
# Butyl Undecylenate
# 3-Butylidenephthalide
# Butyric Acid
# Cadinene
# Caffeine
# Calcium Carbonate
# Camphene
# Cananga Oil
# Capsicum Oleoresin
# Caramel Color
# Caraway Oil
# Carbon Dioxide
# Cardamom Oleoresin, Extract, Seed Oil, and Powder
# Carob Bean and Extract
# beta-Carotene
# Carrot Oil
# Carvacrol
# 4-Carvomenthenol
# 1-Carvone
# beta-Caryophyllene
# beta-Caryophyllene Oxide
# Cascarilla Oil and Bark Extract
# Cassia Bark Oil
# Cassie Absolute and Oil
# Castoreum Extract, Tincture and Absolute
# Cedar Leaf Oil
# Cedarwood Oil Terpenes and Virginiana
# Cedrol
# Celery Seed Extract, Solid, Oil, And Oleoresin
# Cellulose Fiber
# Chamomile Flower Oil And Extract
# Chicory Extract
# Chocolate
# Cinnamaldehyde
# Cinnamic Acid
# Cinnamon Leaf Oil, Bark Oil, and Extract
# Cinnamyl Acetate
# Cinnamyl Alcohol
# Cinnamyl Cinnamate
# Cinnamyl Isovalerate
# Cinnamyl Propionate
# Citral
# Citric Acid
# Citronella Oil
# dl-Citronellol
# Citronellyl Butyrate
# Citronellyl Isobutyrate
# Civet Absolute
# Clary Oil
# Clover Tops, Red Solid Extract
# Cocoa
# Cocoa Shells, Extract, Distillate And Powder
# Coconut Oil
# Coffee
# Cognac White and Green Oil
# Copaiba Oil
# Coriander Extract and Oil
# Corn Oil
# Corn Silk
# Costus Root Oil
# Cubeb Oil
# Cuminaldehyde
# para-Cymene
# 1-Cysteine
# Dandelion Root Solid Extract
# Davana Oil
# 2-trans, 4-trans-Decadienal
# delta-Decalactone
# gamma-Decalactone
# Decanal
# Decanoic Acid
# 1-Decanol
# 2-Decenal
# Dehydromenthofurolactone
# Diethyl Malonate
# Diethyl Sebacate
# 2,3-Diethylpyrazine
# Dihydro Anethole
# 5,7-Dihydro-2-Methylthieno(3,4-D) Pyrimidine
# Dill Seed Oil and Extract
# meta-Dimethoxybenzene
# para-Dimethoxybenzene
# 2,6-Dimethoxyphenol
# Dimethyl Succinate
# 3,4-Dimethyl-1,2-Cyclopentanedione
# 3,5- Dimethyl-1,2-Cyclopentanedione
# 3,7-Dimethyl-1,3,6-Octatriene
# 4,5-Dimethyl-3-Hydroxy-2,5-Dihydrofuran-2-One
# 6,10-Dimethyl-5,9-Undecadien-2-One
# 3,7-Dimethyl-6-Octenoic Acid
# 2,4-Dimethylacetophenone
# alpha,para-Dimethylbenzyl Alcohol
# alpha,alpha-Dimethylphenethyl Acetate
# alpha,alpha Dimethylphenethyl Butyrate
# 2,3-Dimethylpyrazine
# 2,5-Dimethylpyrazine
# 2,6-Dimethylpyrazine
# Dimethyltetrahydrobenzofuranone
# delta-Dodecalactone
# gamma-Dodecalactone
# para-Ethoxybenzaldehyde
# Ethyl 10-Undecenoate
# Ethyl 2-Methylbutyrate
# Ethyl Acetate
# Ethyl Acetoacetate
# Ethyl Alcohol
# Ethyl Benzoate
# Ethyl Butyrate
# Ethyl Cinnamate
# Ethyl Decanoate
# Ethyl Fenchol
# Ethyl Furoate
# Ethyl Heptanoate
# Ethyl Hexanoate
# Ethyl Isovalerate
# Ethyl Lactate
# Ethyl Laurate
# Ethyl Levulinate
# Ethyl Maltol
# Ethyl Methyl Phenylglycidate
# Ethyl Myristate
# Ethyl Nonanoate
# Ethyl Octadecanoate
# Ethyl Octanoate
# Ethyl Oleate
# Ethyl Palmitate
# Ethyl Phenylacetate
# Ethyl Propionate
# Ethyl Salicylate
# Ethyl trans-2-Butenoate
# Ethyl Valerate
# Ethyl Vanillin
# 2-Ethyl (or Methyl)-(3,5 and 6)-Methoxypyrazine
# 2-Ethyl-1-Hexanol
# 3-Ethyl -2 -Hydroxy-2-Cyclopenten-1-One
# 2-Ethyl-3, (5 or 6)-Dimethylpyrazine
# 5-Ethyl-3-Hydroxy-4-Methyl-2(5H)-Furanone
# 2-Ethyl-3-Methylpyrazine
# 4-Ethylbenzaldehyde
# 4-Ethylguaiacol
# para-Ethylphenol
# 3-Ethylpyridine
# Eucalyptol
# Farnesol
# D-Fenchone
# Fennel Sweet Oil
# Fenugreek, Extract, Resin, and Absolute
# Fig Juice Concentrate
# Food Starch Modified
# Furfuryl Mercaptan
# 4-(2-Furyl)-3-Buten-2-One
# Galbanum Oil
# Genet Absolute
# Gentian Root Extract
# Geraniol
# Geranium Rose Oil
# Geranyl Acetate
# Geranyl Butyrate
# Geranyl Formate
# Geranyl Isovalerate
# Geranyl Phenylacetate
# Ginger Oil and Oleoresin
# 1-Glutamic Acid
# 1-Glutamine
# Glycerol
# Glycyrrhizin Ammoniated
# Grape Juice Concentrate
# Guaiac Wood Oil
# Guaiacol
# Guar Gum
# 2,4-Heptadienal
# gamma-Heptalactone
# Heptanoic Acid
# 2-Heptanone
# 3-Hepten-2-One
# 2-Hepten-4-One
# 4-Heptenal
# trans -2-Heptenal
# Heptyl Acetate
# omega-6-Hexadecenlactone
# gamma-Hexalactone
# Hexanal
# Hexanoic Acid
# 2-Hexen-1-Ol
# 3-Hexen-1-Ol
# cis-3-Hexen-1-Yl Acetate
# 2-Hexenal
# 3-Hexenoic Acid
# trans-2-Hexenoic Acid
# cis-3-Hexenyl Formate
# Hexyl 2-Methylbutyrate
# Hexyl Acetate
# Hexyl Alcohol
# Hexyl Phenylacetate
# 1-Histidine
# Honey
# Hops Oil
# Hydrolyzed Milk Solids
# Hydrolyzed Plant Proteins
# 5-Hydroxy-2,4-Decadienoic Acid delta- Lactone
# 4-Hydroxy-2,5-Dimethyl-3(2H)-Furanone
# 2-Hydroxy-3,5,5-Trimethyl-2-Cyclohexen-1-One
# 4-Hydroxy -3-Pentenoic Acid Lactone
# 2-Hydroxy-4-Methylbenzaldehyde
# 4-Hydroxybutanoic Acid Lactone
# Hydroxycitronellal
# 6-Hydroxydihydrotheaspirane
# 4-(para-Hydroxyphenyl)-2-Butanone
# Hyssop Oil
# Immortelle Absolute and Extract
# alpha-Ionone
# beta-Ionone
# alpha-Irone
# Isoamyl Acetate
# Isoamyl Benzoate
# Isoamyl Butyrate
# Isoamyl Cinnamate
# Isoamyl Formate
# Isoamyl Hexanoate
# Isoamyl Isovalerate
# Isoamyl Octanoate
# Isoamyl Phenylacetate
# Isobornyl Acetate
# Isobutyl Acetate
# Isobutyl Alcohol
# Isobutyl Cinnamate
# Isobutyl Phenylacetate
# Isobutyl Salicylate
# 2-Isobutyl-3-Methoxypyrazine
# alpha-Isobutylphenethyl Alcohol
# Isobutyraldehyde
# Isobutyric Acid
# d,l-Isoleucine
# alpha-Isomethylionone
# 2-Isopropylphenol
# Isovaleric Acid
# Jasmine Absolute, Concrete and Oil
# Kola Nut Extract
# Labdanum Absolute and Oleoresin
# Lactic Acid
# Lauric Acid
# Lauric Aldehyde
# Lavandin Oil
# Lavender Oil
# Lemon Oil and Extract
# Lemongrass Oil
# 1-Leucine
# Levulinic Acid
# Licorice Root, Fluid, Extract and Powder
# Lime Oil
# Linalool
# Linalool Oxide
# Linalyl Acetate
# Linden Flowers
# Lovage Oil And Extract
# 1-Lysine
# Mace Powder, Extract and Oil
# Magnesium Carbonate
# Malic Acid
# Malt and Malt Extract
# Maltodextrin
# Maltol
# Maltyl Isobutyrate
# Mandarin Oil
# Maple Syrup and Concentrate
# Mate Leaf, Absolute and Oil
# para-Mentha-8-Thiol-3-One
# Menthol
# Menthone
# Menthyl Acetate
# dl-Methionine
# Methoprene
# 2-Methoxy-4-Methylphenol
# 2-Methoxy-4-Vinylphenol
# para-Methoxybenzaldehyde
# 1-(para-Methoxyphenyl)-1-Penten-3-One
# 4-(para-Methoxyphenyl)-2-Butanone
# 1-(para-Methoxyphenyl)-2-Propanone
# Methoxypyrazine
# Methyl 2-Furoate
# Methyl 2-Octynoate
# Methyl 2-Pyrrolyl Ketone
# Methyl Anisate
# Methyl Anthranilate
# Methyl Benzoate
# Methyl Cinnamate
# Methyl Dihydrojasmonate
# Methyl Ester of Rosin, Partially Hydrogenated
# Methyl Isovalerate
# Methyl Linoleate (48%)
# Methyl Linolenate (52%) Mixture
# Methyl Naphthyl Ketone
# Methyl Nicotinate
# Methyl Phenylacetate
# Methyl Salicylate
# Methyl Sulfide
# 3-Methyl-1-Cyclopentadecanone
# 4-Methyl-1-Phenyl-2-Pentanone
# 5-Methyl-2-Phenyl-2-Hexenal
# 5-Methyl-2-Thiophenecarboxaldehyde
# 6-Methyl-3,-5-Heptadien-2-One
# 2-Methyl-3-(para-Isopropylphenyl) Propionaldehyde
# 5-Methyl-3-Hexen-2-One
# 1-Methyl-3Methoxy-4-Isopropylbenzene
# 4-Methyl-3-Pentene-2-One
# 2-Methyl-4-Phenylbutyraldehyde
# 6-Methyl-5-Hepten-2-One
# 4-Methyl-5-Thiazoleethanol
# 4-Methyl-5-Vinylthiazole
# Methyl-alpha-Ionone
# Methyl-trans-2-Butenoic Acid
# 4-Methylacetophenone
# para-Methylanisole
# alpha-Methylbenzyl Acetate
# alpha-Methylbenzyl Alcohol
# 2-Methylbutyraldehyde
# 3-Methylbutyraldehyde
# 2-Methylbutyric Acid
# alpha-Methylcinnamaldehyde
# Methylcyclopentenolone
# 2-Methylheptanoic Acid
# 2-Methylhexanoic Acid
# 3-Methylpentanoic Acid
# 4-Methylpentanoic Acid
# 2-Methylpyrazine
# 5-Methylquinoxaline
# 2-Methyltetrahydrofuran-3-One
# (Methylthio)Methylpyrazine (Mixture Of Isomers)
# 3-Methylthiopropionaldehyde
# Methyl 3-Methylthiopropionate
# 2-Methylvaleric Acid
# Mimosa Absolute and Extract
# Molasses Extract and Tincture
# Mountain Maple Solid Extract
# Mullein Flowers
# Myristaldehyde
# Myristic Acid
# Myrrh Oil
# beta-Napthyl Ethyl Ether
# Nerol
# Neroli Bigarde Oil
# Nerolidol
# Nona-2-trans,6-cis-Dienal
# 2,6-Nonadien-1-Ol
# gamma-Nonalactone
# Nonanal
# Nonanoic Acid
# Nonanone
# trans-2-Nonen-1-Ol
# 2-Nonenal
# Nonyl Acetate
# Nutmeg Powder and Oil
# Oak Chips Extract and Oil
# Oak Moss Absolute
# 9,12-Octadecadienoic Acid (48%) And 9,12,15-Octadecatrienoic Acid (52%)
# delta-Octalactone
# gamma-Octalactone
# Octanal
# Octanoic Acid
# 1-Octanol
# 2-Octanone
# 3-Octen-2-One
# 1-Octen-3-Ol
# 1-Octen-3-Yl Acetate
# 2-Octenal
# Octyl Isobutyrate
# Oleic Acid
# Olibanum Oil
# Opoponax Oil And Gum
# Orange Blossoms Water, Absolute, and Leaf Absolute
# Orange Oil and Extract
# Origanum Oil
# Orris Concrete Oil and Root Extract
# Palmarosa Oil
# Palmitic Acid
# Parsley Seed Oil
# Patchouli Oil
# omega-Pentadecalactone
# 2,3-Pentanedione
# 2-Pentanone
# 4-Pentenoic Acid
# 2-Pentylpyridine
# Pepper Oil, Black And White
# Peppermint Oil
# Peruvian (Bois De Rose) Oil
# Petitgrain Absolute, Mandarin Oil and Terpeneless Oil
# alpha-Phellandrene
# 2-Phenenthyl Acetate
# Phenenthyl Alcohol
# Phenethyl Butyrate
# Phenethyl Cinnamate
# Phenethyl Isobutyrate
# Phenethyl Isovalerate
# Phenethyl Phenylacetate
# Phenethyl Salicylate
# 1-Phenyl-1-Propanol
# 3-Phenyl-1-Propanol
# 2-Phenyl-2-Butenal
# 4-Phenyl-3-Buten-2-Ol
# 4-Phenyl-3-Buten-2-One
# Phenylacetaldehyde
# Phenylacetic Acid
# 1-Phenylalanine
# 3-Phenylpropionaldehyde
# 3-Phenylpropionic Acid
# 3-Phenylpropyl Acetate
# 3-Phenylpropyl Cinnamate
# 2-(3-Phenylpropyl)Tetrahydrofuran
# Phosphoric Acid
# Pimenta Leaf Oil
# Pine Needle Oil, Pine Oil, Scotch
# Pineapple Juice Concentrate
# alpha-Pinene
# beta-Pinene
# D-Piperitone
# Piperonal
# Pipsissewa Leaf Extract
# Plum Juice
# Potassium Sorbate
# 1-Proline
# Propenylguaethol
# Propionic Acid
# Propyl Acetate
# Propyl para-Hydroxybenzoate
# Propylene Glycol
# 3-Propylidenephthalide
# Prune Juice and Concentrate
# Pyridine
# Pyroligneous Acid And Extract
# Pyrrole
# Pyruvic Acid
# Raisin Juice Concentrate
# Rhodinol
# Rose Absolute and Oil
# Rosemary Oil
# Rum
# Rum Ether
# Rye Extract
# Sage, Sage Oil, and Sage Oleoresin
# Salicylaldehyde
# Sandalwood Oil, Yellow
# Sclareolide
# Skatole
# Smoke Flavor
# Snakeroot Oil
# Sodium Acetate
# Sodium Benzoate
# Sodium Bicarbonate
# Sodium Carbonate
# Sodium Chloride
# Sodium Citrate
# Sodium Hydroxide
# Solanone
# Spearmint Oil
# Styrax Extract, Gum and Oil
# Sucrose Octaacetate
# Sugar Alcohols
# Sugars
# Tagetes Oil
# Tannic Acid
# Tartaric Acid
# Tea Leaf and Absolute
# alpha-Terpineol
# Terpinolene
# Terpinyl Acetate
# 5,6,7,8-Tetrahydroquinoxaline
# 1,5,5,9-Tetramethyl-13-Oxatricyclo(8.3.0.0(4,9))Tridecane
# 2,3,4,5, and 3,4,5,6-Tetramethylethyl-Cyclohexanone
# 2,3,5,6-Tetramethylpyrazine
# Thiamine Hydrochloride
# Thiazole
# 1-Threonine
# Thyme Oil, White and Red
# Thymol
# Tobacco Extracts
# Tochopherols (mixed)
# Tolu Balsam Gum and Extract
# Tolualdehydes
# para-Tolyl 3-Methylbutyrate
# para-Tolyl Acetaldehyde
# para-Tolyl Acetate
# para-Tolyl Isobutyrate
# para-Tolyl Phenylacetate
# Triacetin
# 2-Tridecanone
# 2-Tridecenal
# Triethyl Citrate
# 3,5,5-Trimethyl -1-Hexanol
# para,alpha,alpha-Trimethylbenzyl Alcohol
# 4-(2,6,6-Trimethylcyclohex-1-Enyl)But-2-En-4-One
# 2,6,6-Trimethylcyclohex-2-Ene-1,4-Dione
# 2,6,6-Trimethylcyclohexa-1,3-Dienyl Methan
# 4-(2,6,6-Trimethylcyclohexa-1,3-Dienyl)But-2-En-4-One
# 2,2,6-Trimethylcyclohexanone
# 2,3,5-Trimethylpyrazine
# 1-Tyrosine
# delta-Undecalactone
# gamma-Undecalactone
# Undecanal
# 2-Undecanone
# 10-Undecenal
# Urea
# Valencene
# Valeraldehyde
# Valerian Root Extract, Oil and Powder
# Valeric Acid
# gamma-Valerolactone
# Valine
# Vanilla Extract And Oleoresin
# Vanillin
# Veratraldehyde
# Vetiver Oil
# Vinegar
# Violet Leaf Absolute
# Walnut Hull Extract
# Water
# Wheat Extract And Flour
# Wild Cherry Bark Extract
# Wine and Wine Sherry
# Xanthan Gum
# 3,4-Xylenol
# Yeast



I'll take my nicotine and propylene glycol, thanks!

[Revalos]

Number of chemicals released when not smoking anything - 10

carbon dioxide
oxygen
water vapor
several parts per million (ppm) of hydrogen and carbon monoxide,
1 part per million (ppm) of ammonia
and less than 1 ppm of acetone, methanol, ethanol

[Elgrim]

Number of chemicals released when not smoking anything - 10

carbon dioxide
oxygen
water vapor
several parts per million (ppm) of hydrogen and carbon monoxide,
1 part per million (ppm) of ammonia
and less than 1 ppm of acetone, methanol, ethanol

Can't argue with not smoking at all! :)

[phantasm]

This product makes it clear that you are an addict, and that nicotine is your vise.

I picture you sitting there, sucking down your nicotine vapors.

Spending your hard earned cash for more nicotine and repeating the cycle.

Somehow, all along, feeling like your doing something positive and necessary.

You have been duped, and someone is getting rich with your hard work.

I don't know your situation.

There are defiantly better uses for your money.

Kick the habit man, you can be happy without it.

[Latrinsorm]

You could say the same thing about caffeine, alcohol, chocolate... every animal has habits, and transforming a habit from extremely carcinogenic to not carcinogenic at all is a huge positive step.

[Paradii]

Tried it, didn't work for me. It also has some side effects from what I have been told. Made my sister turn into super-bitch.

Are you sure being a woman wasn't the cause?

[Elgrim]

Are you sure being a woman wasn't the cause?

Old joke is old

[Elgrim]

This product makes it clear that you are an addict, and that nicotine is your vise.

I picture you sitting there, sucking down your nicotine vapors.

Spending your hard earned cash for more nicotine and repeating the cycle.

Somehow, all along, feeling like your doing something positive and necessary.

You have been duped, and someone is getting rich with your hard work.

I don't know your situation.

There are defiantly better uses for your money.

Kick the habit man, you can be happy without it.

The idea is to quit completely.

Vaping makes that possible by allowing you to control the amount of nicotine you use until you use none at all. Similar to the patch, but giving you the hand to mouth sensation that makes smoking so habit forming.

I started with 36mg juice. I've been vaping for about 7 months. I am down to using 8mg juice that I make myself. I will be off of it completely in 2-3 more months.

That is how you do it. It isnt eternal.

[Bobmuhthol]

Water is a poison because too much of it will kill you.

[Barundar]

Water is a poison because too much of it will kill you.

http://www.petitiononline.com/h2o/petition.html

[Bobmuhthol]

810. JGWentworth.com ITS MY MONEY AND I NEED IT NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Totally irrelevant but still made me laugh.

[Clove]

Using Clove's point. The idea of vaping isn't curing the reason people smoke, nicotine addiction. It simply lets you get nicotine without the 5000 chemicals associated with cigarette smoke. You don't get cancer from nicotine. You get cancer from the carcinogens in tobacco.Yes, but eliminating some of the health problems associated with cigarette smoking doesn't mean you aren't damaging your health by continuously consuming nicotine. Perhaps you're minimizing health problems but I expect nicotine is about as good for your heart as caffeine.

For the record the FDA has been very critical on e-cigarettes and I honestly don't consider them in the pocket of "big tobacco". The reason they haven't made as big an impact here yet is the FDA has been obstructing their market penetration as much as possible.

[Clove]

Can't argue with not smoking at all! :)So why not taper down the nicotine content in your vapors and ween yourself off nicotine entirely? For that matter why not do that with patches or gum?

[Athgo]

So why not taper down the nicotine content in your vapors and ween yourself off nicotine entirely? For that matter why not do that with patches or gum?

http://forum.gsplayers.com/showpost.php?p=1071612&postcount=37

[radamanthys]

So why not taper down the nicotine content in your vapors and ween yourself off nicotine entirely? For that matter why not do that with patches or gum?

Everyone quits differently. I dunno if you ever smoked, but quitting is like breaking up with a really awesome girlfriend. It's heartbreaking to lose something that's been part of your life for that long.

The physical withdrawl only lasts a couple of days. The emotional and psychological withdrawl can take far longer. Especially if you don't have occasion to change your daily habits and have had the same routine for a while.

It's best to just quit, but changing your methods and habits (i.e. e-cig, gum, etc) can make a big difference in how you cope. It's like having a rebound girl, in a way.

"Fuck you, don't smoke" isn't really the right stance to take.

[Clove]

Everyone quits differently. I dunno if you ever smoked, but quitting is like breaking up with a really awesome girlfriend. It's heartbreaking to lose something that's been part of your life for that long.Probably shouldn't have put that first part in itallics but there's your answer:
Actually I quit smoking cold turkey about 7 years ago.

http://forum.gsplayers.com/showpost.php?p=1071612&postcount=37Really? 10 months to taper yourself off nicotine that works its way out of your system within 4 days of stopping? He's not quitting he's changing nicotine habits.

Rada, I know what it's like to quit. I quit. Twice. Once for two years, now for nearly 8.

[Elgrim]

Probably shouldn't have put that first part in itallics but there's your answer:
Really? 10 months to taper yourself off nicotine that works its way out of your system within 4 days of stopping? He's not quitting he's changing nicotine habits.

Rada, I know what it's like to quit. I quit. Twice. Once for two years, now for nearly 8.

Thanks for your criticism. I am quitting the way that works for me. Trying to quit other ways in the past has failed for me. I will succeed this time.

Heroin can last on average as little as 48 hours in the lighter users and can last up to 5-7 days in others. It should be easy to just kick cold turkey too right?

Thanks for your input. Back on topic.

[Clove]

Thanks for your criticism. I am quitting the way that [I think will] works for me. Trying to quit other ways in the past has failed for me. I will succeed this time.

Heroin can last on average as little as 48 hours in the lighter users and can last up to 5-7 days in others. It should be easy to just kick cold turkey too right?

Thanks for your input. Back on topic.You haven't quit yet. You've changed habits. I also didn't suggest cold turkey (although it worked for me), I'm suggesting that tapering nicotine out of your system over 10+ months is so ridiculously gradual (and with the excuse that what you're doing is "healthier than smoking") that it would be just as easy to never stop pumping nicotine into your body; at which point you've simply reduced the variety of toxins you're pumping into your body.

One of the reasons the FDA has been so critical about e-cigarettes (in addition to their long-term health impact, which is unknown) is that they DON'T consider it a cessation product; simply another method of delivering nicotine. You plan on quitting (and good for you) but so far you've only changed how you feed your addiction.

Good luck kicking it (sincerely); but how about you tell us about your success after you've succeeded.

[Clove]

(neg rep) If you smoke and want... 02-27-2010 12:43 PM stop being a random dickhead for no reason - get a fucking life dude...ROFL. Actually it wasn't random. When Elgrim can report that he's kicked his nicotine habit and not just changed deliveries, then I'll applaud him. Otherwise he may as well be perpetually chewing nicotine gum etc. The FDA isn't being critical of this product because "big tobacco" is paying them off. "Big tobacco" could easily develop and market such a product of their own and profit from a product that addicts its consumers without, you know all the emphysema and cancer. Of course it might come with heart disease and a variety of other unknown health risk... but, hey as long as it isn't cancer.

I'm going to go back to my life now. Cheers!

[Elgrim]

ROFL. Actually it wasn't random. When Elgrim can report that he's kicked his nicotine habit and not just changed deliveries, then I'll applaud him.

I never asked for applause. I simply posted this to try and offer an alternative for those who had tried other methods and failed.

You quit cold turkey, yay for you. You win one internets. Not all people are the same. What works for some people doesn't for others. But this is a product that many may not even be aware of that could help them as it has helped me.

Did I switch an addiction for another? In a way. But what if I quit smoking and instead started drinking a 12 pack of Coke a day? Same argument, and probably much less healthy than what I am doing.

Fact is, I have went 7 months without a cigarette, dramatically improving my health at the same time. I honestly don't care how you want to catalog it, to me it is a success I have never known.

[CrystalTears]

How can you say you've gone 7 months without a cigarette if you're still inhaling nicotine? You really are gullible. Just quit like everyone else if that is what your goal is.

[Clove]

Like I said, you've removed some carcinogens and lung irritants, which is certainly an improvement; however staying addicted to nicotine should not be considered "safe" or "healthy". How I quit cigarettes and nicotine was never my point so the "cold turkey" comments are moot. My points are:

1. Addiction to nicotine should not be considered "safe".
2. You may have quit smoking but you haven't ditched an addiction yet.
3. Extremely slow tapering continues to reinforce all the psychological habits that many people struggle with as much as the physical when quitting; and IMO decreases your chances of ultimately ditching the addiction. You can taper yourself off nicotine quite comfortably in a matter of weeks or a few months.

Switching nicotine consumption to excessive sugar and caffeine consumption wouldn't be the best thing for your health either; however you haven't switched addictions you've simply changed how you get your fix. You may have improved your health by ditching some of the toxins you were getting with your nicotine fix but you are still addicted. I personally think you're fooling yourself (and others) if you promote nicotine addiction as innocuous simply because you're not getting arsenic and carbon monoxide etc. with it.

You may be sharing what you think is a safe and helpful product and even if this fact contradicts the manufacturer's marketing of a "big tobacco conspiracy theory", e-cigarettes are prohibited by the FDA from being marketed as a cessation product and the FDA has concerns about its long-term health impact on people who use it (because nicotine is a serious poison and is bad for your heart). I'm sorry if contrasting opinions upset you, but I think people who might consider these products ought to be aware of alternative opinions (particularly when they're from government safety regulatory agencies).

[Androidpk]

Water is a poison because too much of it will kill you.

Yeah man. I hate overdosing on water.

[Clove]

Goddamn hydric acid! It kills.

[Barundar]

Yeah man. I hate overdosing on water.

http://www.slipperybrick.com/2007/01/woman-overdoses-on-water-trying-to-win-wii/

How much do you want that Wii?

[Clove]

Strange...

[Elgrim]

Like I said, you've removed some carcinogens and lung irritants, which is certainly an improvement; however staying addicted to nicotine should not be considered "safe" or "healthy". How I quit cigarettes and nicotine was never my point so the "cold turkey" comments are moot. My points are:

1. Addiction to nicotine should not be considered "safe".
2. You may have quit smoking but you haven't ditched an addiction yet.
3. Extremely slow tapering continues to reinforce all the psychological habits that many people struggle with as much as the physical when quitting; and IMO decreases your chances of ultimately ditching the addiction. You can taper yourself off nicotine quite comfortably in a matter of weeks or a few months.

Switching nicotine consumption to excessive sugar and caffeine consumption wouldn't be the best thing for your health either; however you haven't switched addictions you've simply changed how you get your fix. You may have improved your health by ditching some of the toxins you were getting with your nicotine fix but you are still addicted. I personally think you're fooling yourself (and others) if you promote nicotine addiction as innocuous simply because you're not getting arsenic and carbon monoxide etc. with it.

You may be sharing what you think is a safe and helpful product and even if this fact contradicts the manufacturer's marketing of a "big tobacco conspiracy theory", e-cigarettes are prohibited by the FDA from being marketed as a cessation product and the FDA has concerns about its long-term health impact on people who use it (because nicotine is a serious poison and is bad for your heart). I'm sorry if contrasting opinions upset you, but I think people who might consider these products ought to be aware of alternative opinions (particularly when they're from government safety regulatory agencies).


I get it now. You are one of "those" ex-smokers :)

You figured it all out and now rays of sunshine are flying out of your ass to dazzle the rest of us low-life addicts.

Say no more, you are of course 100% correct and I am simply a fool.

[Clove]

I get it now. You are one of "those" ex-smokers :)

You figured it all out and now rays of sunshine are flying out of your ass to dazzle the rest of us low-life addicts.

Say no more, you are of course 100% correct and I am simply a fool.I get it now. You're one of those people that accept advertising and marketing as gospel because it says things you like to hear. The FDA are just worry-worts, right? You're okay as long as you don't puff a cigarette right? How bad could nicotine be for you right?

Talk about rays of sunshine flying out of your ass. Good luck.

Oh and for the record I have plenty of family, friends, coworkers and neighbors that smoke and you'll never hear me tell them to, or how to quit. I don't give a shit if you smoke or not; it's not my life and I don't care if you smoke around me (I think second-hand smoke concerns are drastically overrated). Just don't piss on my face and try to tell me it's only rain.

[Keller]

Just don't piss on my face and try to tell me it's only rain.

So I can piss in your face as long as I don't try to tell you it's only rain?

[Clove]

So I can piss in your face as long as I don't try to tell you it's only rain?Sure. Can I kick in the balls as long as I don't tell you it's a massage?

[Keller]

Sure. Can I kick in the balls as long as I don't tell you it's a massage?

I hereby put a complete restriction on you kicking me in the balls.

[Methais]

I quit cold turkey after 8 years or so because I'm l33t. The lack of nicotine didn't really bother me at all so much as breaking the habitual part, i.e. lighting up after a meal.

That said, I don't see why everyone's ripping into Elgrim over this. Even if he ends up staying on those things forever, so what? I'd rather still be hooked on nicotine without all the bad shit from smoke than stay hooked and have all the drawbacks from smoke on top of it. It seems like he has a plan in place to wean off it completely, so what's the problem? Again if he totally fails at that, his lungs will still be better off on these things than with real smokes.

Not to mention, Elgrim can/will probably be able to walk up a flight of stairs without being out of breath by the time he reaches the top.

Being hooked on nicotine and being able to walk to the kitchen without getting winded > Being hooked on nicotine and not being able to walk to the kitchen without getting winded.

That said, I want a Volcano Vaporizer.

[Clove]

You're assuming being hooked on nicotine is significantly better for your health. You can switch to chew and not have to worry about lung cancer or emphysema... just mouth cancer.

[CrystalTears]

Because going from one addiction to another isn't a form of "quitting". I don't care if that's what he wants to do, I just don't endorse the idea that it's a method to quit when it isn't.

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

That said, I want a Volcano Vaporizer.

They are pretty damn awesome.

[Numbers]

I started using one of these about a month ago, and it has helped me limit my cigarette consumption. I also got one for my mother (30+ years smoker), and she's down to one cigarette a day.

While e-cigs aren't intended as a quitting device, it CAN serve that purpose.

Nicotine by itself isn't all that dangerous -- only a bit more dangerous than caffeine. It's the 5,000+ other chemicals in cigarettes that are dangerous and cause various forms of cancer.

My thoughts, if e-cigs can help someone stop smoking cigarettes, then it's worth a shot. Is it trading one addiction for another? Sure. It's the same way with people who are now addicted to nicotine chewing gum. The difference is that one addiction is considerably deadlier than the other.

In other words, those of you ripping into Elgrim should get off your high horse and pretty little pedestals and just shut the fuck up. Go preach to someone else, damn.

[Methais]

You're assuming being hooked on nicotine is significantly better for your health. You can switch to chew and not have to worry about lung cancer or emphysema... just mouth cancer.

Yes, I'm assuming that removing the smoke-in-your-lungs aspect of nicotine addiction is significantly better for your health. Why would it not be?


Because going from one addiction to another isn't a form of "quitting". I don't care if that's what he wants to do, I just don't endorse the idea that it's a method to quit when it isn't.

His goal is to quit and he seems to have a plan in place to accomplish that over time. What's so terrible about that? What if zomg it ends up working for him?

I didn't read the whole thread, but how has Elgrim felt (mostly physically) since he started this e-cig thing?

http://www.cartoonstock.com/lowres/epa1432l.jpg

[Methais]

They are pretty damn awesome.

I never got to use one. How l33t was your experience?

[waywardgs]

Like I said, you've removed some carcinogens and lung irritants, which is certainly an improvement; however staying addicted to nicotine should not be considered "safe" or "healthy". How I quit cigarettes and nicotine was never my point so the "cold turkey" comments are moot. My points are:

1. Addiction to nicotine should not be considered "safe".
2. You may have quit smoking but you haven't ditched an addiction yet.
3. Extremely slow tapering continues to reinforce all the psychological habits that many people struggle with as much as the physical when quitting; and IMO decreases your chances of ultimately ditching the addiction. You can taper yourself off nicotine quite comfortably in a matter of weeks or a few months.

Switching nicotine consumption to excessive sugar and caffeine consumption wouldn't be the best thing for your health either; however you haven't switched addictions you've simply changed how you get your fix. You may have improved your health by ditching some of the toxins you were getting with your nicotine fix but you are still addicted. I personally think you're fooling yourself (and others) if you promote nicotine addiction as innocuous simply because you're not getting arsenic and carbon monoxide etc. with it.

You may be sharing what you think is a safe and helpful product and even if this fact contradicts the manufacturer's marketing of a "big tobacco conspiracy theory", e-cigarettes are prohibited by the FDA from being marketed as a cessation product and the FDA has concerns about its long-term health impact on people who use it (because nicotine is a serious poison and is bad for your heart). I'm sorry if contrasting opinions upset you, but I think people who might consider these products ought to be aware of alternative opinions (particularly when they're from government safety regulatory agencies).

http://www.njoe.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/high_horse.jpg

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

I never got to use one. How l33t was your experience?

Pretty damn 1337. I prefer vaping to anything else and the volcano is really the best. You don't get all the smell from burning (it still smells but only vaguely), it's way easier on your lungs so no coughing. you can also add stuff in to flavor (mint for instance). Only downsides are that it does take a bit more work- you have to REALLY finely grind everything (finer the better) and the filling chamber can be a bitch to actually fill without making a mess unless you go a little slow. I know some people think vaping = less potent but I've not found that to be the case. To me it felt more relaxing/heady than smoking.

I'd recommend it though, at least to try once.

[Methais]

Pretty damn 1337. I prefer vaping to anything else and the volcano is really the best. You don't get all the smell from burning (it still smells but only vaguely), it's way easier on your lungs so no coughing. you can also add stuff in to flavor (mint for instance). Only downsides are that it does take a bit more work- you have to REALLY finely grind everything (finer the better) and the filling chamber can be a bitch to actually fill without making a mess unless you go a little slow. I know some people think vaping = less potent but I've not found that to be the case. To me it felt more relaxing/heady than smoking.

I'd recommend it though, at least to try once.

I've always heard that vaping = more potent. I must take the Pepsi challenge.

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

Yes, yes you must.

[Androidpk]

Pretty damn 1337. I prefer vaping to anything else and the volcano is really the best. You don't get all the smell from burning (it still smells but only vaguely), it's way easier on your lungs so no coughing. you can also add stuff in to flavor (mint for instance). Only downsides are that it does take a bit more work- you have to REALLY finely grind everything (finer the better) and the filling chamber can be a bitch to actually fill without making a mess unless you go a little slow. I know some people think vaping = less potent but I've not found that to be the case. To me it felt more relaxing/heady than smoking.

I'd recommend it though, at least to try once.

When did you get so cool?

[Methais]

When did you get so cool?

When she started growing boobs. Duh.

[Androidpk]

When she started growing boobs. Duh.

Boobs are great but there's no proven correlation

[Methais]

Boobs are great but there's no proven correlation

You are correct, to an extent. The extent being when the chick manages to remain cool even when talking. That's where things start to get confusing.

[Androidpk]

You are correct, to an extent. The extent being when the chick manages to remain cool even when talking. That's where things start to get confusing.

You are a wise man.

[Elgrim]

You're assuming being hooked on nicotine is significantly better for your health.

Let's see here....


Inhaling nicotine...

vs.

Inhaling nicotine, tar, arsenic, carbon monoxide, ammonia, pesticides, and 4000+ other chemical compounds..


YES. I can definately say inhaling nicotine is better than inhaling a cigarette. If you think otherwise, you are just dumb.

Drinking gasoline is bad yea? How about gasoline mixed with anti-freeze? I'd say the second is worse.

Never said nicotine is healthy, I said it was a much better alternative for THOSE who haven't been able to just quit cold turkey. Even if I were to use an e-cig for the rest of my life I KNOW for a fact it is better than a regular cigarette. To think otherwise is just being obtuse.

And since someone asked, I feel FAR FAR better than I ever did while smoking. I don't cough anymore. My lungs don't hurt. I can take the stairs and not be winded. I can take huge deep breaths and not get that "tickle". My body knows it is better without cigarettes.

Some people just have to hate on people they don't agree with. Pretty obvious.

[Ker_Thwap]

You know, pointing out basic facts isn't really hating. You shared your story, you're still addicted, your clothes probably smell better, you feel a bit better, good for you.

Did you expect everyone to pat you on the head and give you a cookie? Perhaps you had unrealistic expectations. I think the problem is the title of the thread, it doesn't quite match up to the reality. You traded one habit for one that's probably less damaging.

If someone quits, we can applaud them, if someone does what you did, you get a polite golf clap at best.

[Methais]

This thread is full of douchebaggery.

[Keller]

I know lots of people have tried, and failed, to quit smoking.

He posted his own story. In his story, he quit smoking cigarettes.

He posted it for the benefit of others who would like help.

I don't really understand all the negative nancys.

Y'all need to chill.

[Methais]

I think the problem is the title of the thread, it doesn't quite match up to the reality. You traded one habit for one that's probably less damaging.

The thread title talks about quitting smoking, not quitting nicotine. So technically it's not misleading. :)

[Ker_Thwap]

I don't understand why pointing out that nicotine is still an addictive poison is considered negative. I'd suggest that the ones stating this are also trying to help.

See, everyone is helpful, let's all go pet kittens now.

[Methais]

I don't understand why pointing out that nicotine is still an addictive poison is considered negative. I'd suggest that the ones stating this are also trying to help.

See, everyone is helpful, let's all go pet kittens now.

Most of the responses came across to me as LOL UR DOING IT WRONG ZOMG INHALING NICOTINE IS THE SAME AS SMOKING CIGARETTES EVEN IF IT'S NOT AS BAD FOR YOU JUST SUCK IT UP AND QUIT FAG ROFL @ U GOT RIPPED OFF EVEN THOUGH YOU CAN BREATHE BETTER NOW!i!i!i!i

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v72/PsiElement/cigarettes.jpg

[Ker_Thwap]

Most of the responses came across to me as LOL UR DOING IT WRONG ZOMG INHALING NICOTINE IS THE SAME AS SMOKING CIGARETTES EVEN IF IT'S NOT AS BAD FOR YOU JUST SUCK IT UP AND QUIT FAG ROFL @ U GOT RIPPED OFF EVEN THOUGH YOU CAN BREATHE BETTER NOW!i!i!i!i

In review, I saw two individuals who were fairly snarky. There were only a few of these posts, I pretty much ignored them.

Clove posted some pretty decent information, which I didn't interpret as snarky at all, just a dissenting opinion. Elgrim seemed to consider Clove a hater.

As this an informational thread , I felt that both Elgrim and Clove contributed to general knowledge. Thus I posted.

[Latrinsorm]

I don't understand why pointing out that nicotine is still an addictive poison is considered negative. I'd suggest that the ones stating this are also trying to help.I would say it's considered asinine more than it's considered negative. Of course nicotine is addictive, of course it is a stimulant and therefore not good for you, and of course it may have as of yet unearthed health risks. That said, take a statement like "Perhaps you're minimizing health problems". There is no perhaps. You cannot compare a poison to that poison plus a million others and find in favor of the million and one. This is not the Simpsons, there is no such thing as Three Stooges Syndrome.

[Cephalopod]

http://imgur.com/7u1Il.jpg

[Jaimaltz]

I bought an E-Cig after reading this thread, came in 2 days ago. I got the M-401 model (black with a blue LED, since I had hoped to use it in bars and wanted it to be really obvious it's not a real cigarette and didn't produce real smoke). Pretty cheap too, the cartridges I bought seem to last the equivalent of about 10 cigarettes and are about a buck each + shipping. I haven't gotten into the whole repackaging the cartridges with the eliquid yet, but that would make it even cheaper.

I read all sorts of stories online about people using them in bars, and me being in Massachusetts I had to go try it and see what happened. I've been an angry, repressed smoker forced out into the rain and freezing cold to get my fix ever since the indoor smoking ban. Well...no go, was told to stop in 3 different places, even after explaining that there's no smoke and it's just a glorified vaporizer. So much for that idea. Your results may vary in a non Super-Nanny state.

As far as the quality goes, it's not terrible. It's not as good as an actual cigarette, but it's not far behind either. If it helps with the side effects (winded from climbing stairs, terrible breath, cancer, etc.) that'll be a nice bonus.

[Stanley Burrell]

Just chew like ten pieces of nicotine gum.

Oh and:


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v72/PsiElement/cigarettes.jpg

Because drugs are cool.

[Methais]

I read all sorts of stories online about people using them in bars, and me being in Massachusetts I had to go try it and see what happened. I've been an angry, repressed smoker forced out into the rain and freezing cold to get my fix ever since the indoor smoking ban. Well...no go, was told to stop in 3 different places, even after explaining that there's no smoke and it's just a glorified vaporizer. So much for that idea.

Sue them. Bet you'd win.