Terrorists Win!

[Siefer]

http://cnn.aimtoday.cnn.com/news/story.jsp?floc=NW_1-T&oldflok=FF-APO-1106&idq=/ff/story/0001%2F20040321%2F1830828661.htm&sc=1106&photoid=2 0040319XDG103

The question isn't "if" anymore, it's when, where, and what will the U.S. response be?

[Latrinsorm]

The story you linked to is about a guy who knows a guy who says he has nukes. How does that make terrorists win?

[Artha]

Probably not true, just posturing by Al Qaeda.


"Dr Ayman al-Zawahri laughed and he said `Mr. Mir, if you have $30 million, go to the black market in central Asia, contact any disgruntled Soviet scientist, and a lot of ... smart briefcase bombs are available"

If this were true, there'd probably have been at least one detonated somewhere.

As to 'briefcase nukes,' this is unlikely. The smallest nuclear device built so far is the Davy Crocket (http://www.brook.edu/FP/projects/nucwcost/davyc.HTM), weighing in at just over 75 pounds.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

North Korea has had nukes for awhile. No one wins in a nuclear war, thats why they don't just drop em whereever. If a nuke goes off on American soil (not launched from somewhere) I seriously doubt we'd "retaliate" (who would we fire against?).

The world (in my mind) would turn to a single minded taliban hunting machine after that though.

[i remember halloween]

small nukes aren't as devestating as you may think. my guess is that al qaeda has been pumping terrorists into the country for the past 3 years and are going to launch a large, consorted attack aimed at both infrastructure and civilian targets simultaneously. i'd be shocked if we don't get hit much harder than 911 within the next year or two.

[Siefer]

I've been reading up on this and found out that 30 of these briefcase bombs are missing from Russia. Also, the reason why these things were so secret is because they were made by the KGB for placement by their agents in our cities during the Cold War. To this day we don't know what the Soviet Union's true capabilities were, so it doesn't surprise me that they exist.

[Hulkein]

Better put some sperm in a protected bank incase we all get sterilized, lol.

[Edited on 3-22-2004 by Hulkein]

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I'm assuming you are kidding about "small" nukes.

Little Boy and Fat Man were TOYS compared to the nuclear weapons of today.


From a wonderful page on Nagasaki (http://www1.city.nagasaki.nagasaki.jp/na-bomb/museum/m2-1e.html)

"the atomic bomb had the power to instantly kill or injure all people within a radius of four kilometers"

"The Nagasaki municipal government officially adopted the figure of "more than 70,000" deaths on the basis of information from population surveys and the estimate made by the Nagasaki City Atomic Bomb Records Preservation Committee in July 1950. Said the committee in its report: "73,884 people were killed and 74,909 injured, and 17,358 of the deaths were confirmed by post- mortem examination soon after the atomic bombing."

So by your reasoning 180k people dead or injured by a "weak" bomb isn't too bad?

[i remember halloween]

exactly, compared to a large nuke, 180k is nothing.

[Mint]

Originally posted by i remember halloween
exactly, compared to a large nuke, 180k is nothing.

Unless you and your friends and your family are numbered among them.

[Siefer]

All these people have to do is detonate any kind of radioactive device in Manhattan and the world economy will collapse. Imagine what will happen if they do infact have 30 of these devices and detonate around the world in one large scale attack. Just imagine.

[Meos]

Just imagine me, shootin those mother fuckers in the head..... imagine....

[Edited on 3-22-2004 by Meos]

[Artha]

Not really, Siefer, thanks to the wonders of the internet. Anything in Manhattan is probably backed up in a jillion places around the globe.

SHM N. Korea claims to have nukes... they have not done anything to prove it though,
I just hope they are bluffing...

[Edaarin]

The terrorists won because I didn't spend enough money after September 11 :(

Stupid fucking companies taking advantage of a tragedy...

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by Artha
Not really, Siefer, thanks to the wonders of the internet. Anything in Manhattan is probably backed up in a jillion places around the globe. I guess that means the Goldeneye scheme won't work anymore. What the hell am I supposed to do with an EMP satellite now? Make a real life Dark Angel? No thanks.

[Pierat]

"As to 'briefcase nukes,' this is unlikely. The smallest nuclear device built so far is the Davy Crocket, weighing in at just over 75 pounds. "

75 pounds? that can fit inside a briefcase with no problem. The US has short range artilery can fire nuclear rounds..... The Soviets indeed have briefcase nukes that fit in a average car trunk, and the South Africans actually made shoulder launched nukes that fire like RPG's.

[i remember halloween]

i thought nuclear depth charges were awesome. destroying everything underwater within a 5 mile radius with pressure.

[peam]

http://www.brook.edu/FP/PROJECTS/NUCWCOST/davy6.jpg

That's a Davy Crockett. Would easily fit inside some larger luggage or in the back of a car.

[Tsa`ah]

You're looking at the whole system.

See the thing that looks like a bomb straight out of Looney Tunes?

Take off the fins, stream line the casing and you can carry it under your arm, or in a large brief case, or in a duffel bag.

[Galleazzo]

Originally posted by Siefer
All these people have to do is detonate any kind of radioactive device in Manhattan and the world economy will collapse. Imagine what will happen if they do infact have 30 of these devices and detonate around the world in one large scale attack. Just imagine.
Bout what we expect from you.

9/11 happened blocks from Wall Street and the world economy didn't even hiccup.

[Warriorbird]

All they have to pull off is one. There's reasons terrorists should be the target rather than damn Iraq.

[Galleazzo]

Originally posted by Warriorbird
All they have to pull off is one. There's reasons terrorists should be the target rather than damn Iraq.
And there's not a whole lot they can do. Screw hijacking a plane. All you need is load your nuke onto a freaking CrissCraft and you can just sail the mother into any harbor around. Boston, New York, Philly, Seattle, SF, San Diego, anywhere. Fuck that, just sail it all the way up the Potomac and light it off across from the Mall. Stop it? Stop it how?

[Trinitis]

Originally posted by Galleazzo
And there's not a whole lot they can do. Screw hijacking a plane. All you need is load your nuke onto a freaking CrissCraft and you can just sail the mother into any harbor around. Boston, New York, Philly, Seattle, SF, San Diego, anywhere. Fuck that, just sail it all the way up the Potomac and light it off across from the Mall. Stop it? Stop it how?

Thats pretty much the problem. Without doing a complete lockdown of the entire US, there is no real way to stop terror. Heck, even with a complete lockdown..we dono how many sleepers we already have in the US. If they had them working alone, single people doing bombings. We could have bombings for the next 10 years, for all we know.

[Edited on 3-22-2004 by LordAdredrin]

[Warriorbird]

Yup. I remember my supervisor at the airport going on and on about our high security rating. I pointed out the US Mail vehicles driving right out onto the airfield, right past the planes, and how we weren't allowed to search, much less touch them.

Then I asked him how hard it was to hold up a US Postal vehicle.

[Knights Templar]

The simple solution: Send everyone with middle-eastern descent or muslim ties to death camps. Who needs them anyways? All they do is cause problems.

[Atlanteax]

Originally posted by Knights Templar
The simple solution: Send everyone with middle-eastern descent or muslim ties to death camps. Who needs them anyways? All they do is cause problems.

Works for me!! :up:

Besides, it'd mean more available Jobs :!:

[Weedmage Princess]

KT, your sheer brilliance, compassion and tolerance of things/peoples/ideas different to yours astounds me :)

[Parkbandit]

Originally posted by Warriorbird
All they have to pull off is one. There's reasons terrorists should be the target rather than damn Iraq.

Yes... because it's a widely known fact that Iraq has never ever harbored terrorists.

Poor Iraq.. everyone always picks on them for no reason. :sniffle:

[Parkbandit]

Originally posted by Knights Templar
The simple solution: Send everyone with middle-eastern descent or muslim ties to death camps. Who needs them anyways? All they do is cause problems.

Your ignorance even amazes me at times.

It's not terrorists that cause the most problems in this world.. it is ignorant fucks like you.

[Mint]

Thats weird, I posted a reply but it posted something completely different than what I had entered....has anyone else had that problem? I deleted it but damn that was strange.


[Edited on 3-23-2004 by Mint]

[Knights Templar]

Tolerance? I am -very- tolerant of pretty much all races, creeds, and whatever else. However, being tolerant does not mean I must turn and look the other way when I see something blatantly wrong with a certain people. I usually don't make generalizations, however, I think it is safe to say that Muslims are a problem. How can anyone deny that? Muslims act like their religion is one of peace and submission. BULLSHIT. Look throughout history, and even look at the founder of Islam: Muhammed, who rose to power through war and killing. Muslims don't want peace, they want to convert everyone to their insane religion or kill them. They don't think like we do, they don't have any logic or reason, nor do they care for innocent lives. All they know is their fanatical zealot ways. I don't foresee a solution to any of the problems in the world which they cause with their cowardly acts of terrorism unless they are gone. They'll just keep popping out more terrorist-to-be's, and it will never end until they are all dead, and Islam is an extinct religion. That's the fact of the matter.

[Edited on 3-23-2004 by Knights Templar]

[Wezas]

*Off Topic*

Heard a rumor from a friend of a friend of a friend's husband (so who knows how accurate) that there is a situation at the pentagon right now. Nothing I can find on the news about it, so it's most likely B.S.

Anyone heard anything?

[Mint]

Geez, now I am going to go to work and be all scared. Thanks Wezas.

[Wezas]

Originally posted by Mint
Geez, now I am going to go to work and be all scared. Thanks Wezas.

Like I said, it's likely B.S. I'm sure if there were something going on, there would be some news about it by now.

[Weedmage Princess]

Contrary to what you say, I have had the pleasure of getting to know more a few people who practiced Islam at one point or another in my life. One I dated for a couple of weeks. The people I knew were intelligent, warm and well mannered. They weren't burning US flags or filled with seething rage hating everything "West."

Just out of curiousity, do you know anyone who might be Muslim? Cause you know, the only time you hear about anything on the news or see it in the newspaper is when it's bad. ;)

[Mint]

Originally posted by Wezas
*Off Topic*

Heard a rumor from a friend of a friend of a friend's husband (so who knows how accurate) that there is a situation at the pentagon right now. Nothing I can find on the news about it, so it's most likely B.S.

Anyone heard anything?

I guess a lot depends on this guy. If he works for the government then I will be nervous. If he works for Seven Eleven then life is rosy.

edited OKAY I DID NOT INCLUDE THE WORDS TALKING CHICKEN BUT WHEN I POSTED IT SHOWED UP. WTF WTF WTF?


[Edited on 3-23-2004 by Mint]

[Mint]

I think Kranar is playing games again.

[Wezas]

H.E. = Talking Chicken

[Knights Templar]

Yes, I know many people who are muslim, I have talked with them extensively about their religion. No, not all muslims are like that, but all the people who -are- like that are muslims. Sure there are a few exceptions, there is always exceptions to the rule. I have even studied Islam, extensively, since I was required to take religion classes in highschool, the subject has interested me greatly. Any type of people who would blow themselves apart to kill innocent lives or approve of such a thing in the name of their religion is fucking insane. How can you argue that? After 9/11 people were parading in the streets in the Middle East. Those fuckers were throwing a party because some assholes just killed thousands of innocent people for "Allah". Fuck Muslims, fuck them in the ear, and if you think they are some kind of good people, then fuck you in the ear too.

[Weedmage Princess]

Originally posted by Knights Templar
Yes, I know many people who are muslim, I have talked with them extensively about their religion. No, not all muslims are like that, but all the people who -are- like that are muslims. Sure there are a few exceptions, there is always exceptions to the rule. I have even studied Islam, extensively, since I was required to take religion classes in highschool, the subject has interested me greatly. Any type of people who would blow themselves apart to kill innocent lives or approve of such a thing in the name of their religion is fucking insane. How can you argue that?

That's not what I'm arguing. I agree with you there. THIS is what I'm arguing:


Originally posted by Knights Templar
The simple solution: Send everyone with middle-eastern descent or muslim ties to death camps. Who needs them anyways? All they do is cause problems.

Hitler and the Nazis did some pretty awful things as well. Should we start sending everyone of German descent to a death camp as well? What about those of English descent? Considering a lot of the first Pilgrims came from England. Should other nationalities/races of the world set out to persecute them for their crimes against the Native Americans?



Originally posted by Knights Templar
After 9/11 people were parading in the streets in the Middle East. Those fuckers were throwing a party because some assholes just killed thousands of innocent people for "Allah".

Way to back peddle. However, that's not what you said initially. See my second quote of you. You just said ANYONE OF MIDDLE EASTERN DESCENT OR MUSLIM. There's a difference between the crazed fanatics and the "ordinary Joes." You didn't differenciate. You just came off like someone with a serious case of bloodlust.


Originally posted by Knights Templarand if you think they are some kind of good people, then fuck you in the ear too.

Keep your sick fantasies about ear sex to yourself, plz.

[Galleazzo]

Yeah, and all Catholics are terrorists because some are in Ireland, and all Protestants are terrorists because some are in Ireland, and all Hindus are terrorists because some are in India, and all Buddhists are terrorists because some are in Sri Lanka ...

[TheEschaton]

Tolerance? I am -very- tolerant of pretty much all races, creeds, and whatever else. However, being tolerant does not mean I must turn and look the other way when I see something blatantly wrong with a certain people. I usually don't make generalizations, however, I think it is safe to say that Muslims are a problem. How can anyone deny that? Muslims act like their religion is one of peace and submission. BULLSHIT. Look throughout history, and even look at the founder of Islam: Muhammed, who rose to power through war and killing. Muslims don't want peace, they want to convert everyone to their insane religion or kill them. They don't think like we do, they don't have any logic or reason, nor do they care for innocent lives. All they know is their fanatical zealot ways. I don't foresee a solution to any of the problems in the world which they cause with their cowardly acts of terrorism unless they are gone. They'll just keep popping out more terrorist-to-be's, and it will never end until they are all dead, and Islam is an extinct religion. That's the fact of the matter.

Tolerance? I am -very- tolerant of pretty much all races, creeds, and whatever else. However, being tolerant does not mean I must turn and look the other way when I see something blatantly wrong with a certain people. I usually don't make generalizations, however, I think it is safe to say that Christians are a problem. How can anyone deny that? Christians act like their religion is one of peace and submission. BULLSHIT. Look throughout history, and even look at the founder of Christianity: Paul, who rose to power through persecution and condemnation. Christians don't want peace, they want to convert everyone to their insane religion or kill them. They don't think like we do, they don't have any logic or reason, nor do they care for innocent lives. All they know is their fanatical zealot ways. I don't foresee a solution to any of the problems in the world which they cause with their cowardly acts of terrorism unless they are gone. They'll just keep popping out more terrorist-to-be's, and it will never end until they are all dead, and Christianity is an extinct religion. That's the fact of the matter.

About the only contestable point in the above paragraph is who founded Christianity (formally, it was Constantine, informally, Peter and Paul), but not their cruelty towards others of the faith.

Funny how that works out.

-TheE-

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

You could replace that with any religion just about.

[Hulkein]

Actually, if you ended Christianity the Muslims would still be attacking Israel, so it really solves nothing.

[TheEschaton]

Yes, I know many people who are muslim, I have talked with them extensively about their religion. No, not all muslims are like that, but all the people who -are- like that are muslims. Sure there are a few exceptions, there is always exceptions to the rule. I have even studied Islam, extensively, since I was required to take religion classes in highschool, the subject has interested me greatly. Any type of people who would blow themselves apart to kill innocent lives or approve of such a thing in the name of their religion is fucking insane. How can you argue that? After 9/11 people were parading in the streets in the Middle East. Those fuckers were throwing a party because some assholes just killed thousands of innocent people for "Allah". Fuck Muslims, fuck them in the ear, and if you think they are some kind of good people, then fuck you in the ear too.

Yes, I know many people who are Christian, I have talked with them extensively about their religion. No, not all Christians are like that, but all the people who -are- like that are Christians. Sure there are a few exceptions, there is always exceptions to the rule. I have even studied Christianity, extensively, since I was required to take religion classes in highschool, the subject has interested me greatly. Any type of people who would kill millions in pursuit of worldwide hegemony, force people to convert or die, burn people at the stakes for no reason, hold the Inquisition, run the Crusades [Ed's note: need I go on?] or approve of such a thing in the name of their religion is fucking insane. How can you argue that? After the Crusades/Inquisition/etc, etc people were parading in the streets in England, Spain, South America, North America, etc, etc. Those fuckers were throwing a party because some assholes just killed thousands of innocent people for "God". Fuck Christians, fuck them in the ear, and if you think they are some kind of good people, then fuck you in the ear too.

-TheE-

[TheEschaton]

In other words, KT: Fuck you and the horse you rode in on.


-TheE-

[Galleazzo]

I got a better idea. Howabout KT gets fucked by the horse?

[Hulkein]

One thing that bothers me is how E brings up all the things in the past about Christianity.. Ok, we moved one, we're thankfully a bit more sophisticated. Isn't that a testament to us that we were able to move forward? I dunno, it's just annoying.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

You don't have to go far back in time to show Christianity's recent atrocities.

Good book about Hitler's Pope out there thats excellent reading.

[Edaarin]

Originally posted by Knights Templar
I have even studied Islam, extensively, since I was required to take religion classes in highschool, the subject has interested me greatly.

Well, that changes everything, he took a course in high school on religion. Why don't you do something then? Hell, round up all your redneck friends, ride into the Capital on John Deere lawnmowers waving Confederate flags and shooting Brown rifles in the air until Bush caves and nukes the Middle East.

Stereotypes are fun, aren't they?

Or, you know, you could go over there and try and slaughter as many Muslims as you can. See how far that gets you.

[Bobmuhthol]

Counter-Strike is a wicked good game.

[TheEschaton]

One thing that bothers me is how E brings up all the things in the past about Christianity.. Ok, we moved one, we're thankfully a bit more sophisticated. Isn't that a testament to us that we were able to move forward? I dunno, it's just annoying.

Hitler, the Missionaries in the New World, slavery, all founded on "Christian principles". Not recent enough?

How about the sex scandals of the priests, the discrimination against homosexuality, the oppression of women, all supported by Catholicism at the least.

How about the Church's support for the wealthy aristocrats in South America, at the expense of the poor?

How about the killing of Matthew Shepherd?

How about the Nazis, the neo-Nazis, and Aryan supremacy groups, which all fly under a purportrated Christian banner?

How about the Ku Klux Klan, which says it is Christian?

How about Opus Dei?

How about the Office for the Propogation of the Faith, led by Ratszlinger, the most backwards man alive?

How about the "prayer offensive" led by the good Pat Robertson, to have "God take the sinning justices out of the Supreme Court"?

And to end: George W. Bush confesses to being an ardent Christian.

Christianity is one of the least sophisticated religions out there. We are barbaric in our behavior to people of other religions and beliefs. You don't need to look past the Jerry Falwells, the Pat Robertsons, the Billy Grahams, hell, the David Koresh's.

In other words: You got served.

-TheE-

[Hulkein]

How many of those people kill in the name of their religion?

Don't twist my words buddy. I didn't say Christians don't kill, I said as a religion, we don't kill. Hitler didn't kill because he was waging a holy war, he killed to conquer Europe and to satisfy his political goals.

What the fuck does molestation have to do with suicide bombers? Or fund raising? You're a joke.

[Edited on 3-23-2004 by Hulkein]

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

You don't think Hitler was waging holy war?

[Galleazzo]

Originally posted by Hulkein
One thing that bothers me is how E brings up all the things in the past about Christianity.. Ok, we moved one, we're thankfully a bit more sophisticated. Isn't that a testament to us that we were able to move forward? I dunno, it's just annoying.
Tell it to Northern Ireland, Hulkein. Or to the Christian Identity fuckers who live for the future Race War. Let's not kid ourselves.

[Hulkein]

I think that Hitler was waging war because he was fucking psychotic. He killed other Christians, he killed blacks, he killed gypsy's... he killed indiscriminately.

The Northern Ireland problem.. that's not being faught in God's name, is it?

My point was that thankfully Christianity has advanced to the point where killing people because they won't convert isn't commonplace, or even noticeable anymore.

[TheEschaton]

And it isn't commonplace in Islam, either.


My whole point is that you can say the same things about Christianity, and then you can say, "But these people aren't really practicing Christianity when they do that", and I can say exactly, real Muslims don't think Osama bin Laden is practicing Islam when he blows up people.

-TheE-

[Edaarin]

That's the problem, Hulkein. You want to say that killing is not specific for the majority of Christians. I'd wager that you could say the same about the majority of Muslims. It's not their intention to murder anyone who disagrees with their religion (unlike some posters here, apparently).

[Siefer]

I've got the best idea ever. Ban the worship of stupid invisible gods. That will solve a lot of problems.

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by Knights Templar
How can anyone deny that? Logic would work. Common sense is good too. Satire (as TheE has demonstrated, if I'm thinking of the right word) is one of the best ways.
Originally posted by Hulkein
One thing that bothers me is how E brings up all the things in the past about Christianity.. Ok, we moved one, we're thankfully a bit more sophisticated. Isn't that a testament to us that we were able to move forward? I dunno, it's just annoying. Here's the question: did they think the same thing at that time? What are people 500 years, 1000 years in the future going to think about us? I mean, not the part about TheE, I'm pretty confident he wasn't around back then, but the sophistication part.
Originally posted by TheEschaton
How about the sex scandals of the priests ... supported by Catholicism at the least. Extremely incorrect. Extremely.

[Warriorbird]

Actually Hulkein, the Northern Ireland problem has been fought in god's name for a long time.

:poor fellow with a middle name that matches up to the political spokesman of Sein Fein:

[Hulkein]

Originally posted by Warriorbird
Actually Hulkein, the Northern Ireland problem has been fought in god's name for a long time.

:poor fellow with a middle name that matches up to the political spokesman of Sein Fein:

I wasn't sure, that's why I didn't say no.. What a shame.

I understand what you mean E, I knew what you were getting at, but for the most part Christianity has gotten past the greusome past, while these fanatics still hinder the Islamic religion. No, it isn't commonplace in the Islamic faith, but it seems that it happens a lot more frequently. I mean a fair amount of these people raise their kids telling them they need to kill infidels to reach the salvation.

You can fill me in here because frankly I don't know.. do they have an equivelent of the Pope for Catholics? A leader or leaders who can demand an end to it all? It just seems to me like while there are crazy ass fanatics, the rest of their community (In the middle east at least, I have met plenty of good Muslims here) don't step in to actively stop the violence.

[TheEschaton]

Extremely incorrect. Extremely.

Come on Latrin, the Church shuffled around these pedophiles instead of admitting them, and getting them help. The Church's hands are just as dirty in this little ordeal as the actual priest's hands themselves.


I understand what you mean E, I knew what you were getting at, but for the most part Christianity has gotten past the greusome past, while these fanatics still hinder the Islamic religion. No, it isn't commonplace in the Islamic faith, but it seems that it happens a lot more frequently. I mean a fair amount of these people raise their kids telling them they need to kill infidels to reach the salvation.

Ah yes, but you see, no one is trying to stamp out your religion (admittedly, a perception, not necessarily a reality). Christianity is the dominant religion in your state. As witnessed by the whole Ten Commandments debacle, I think if someone from another country, came in to this country, and said "Your lifestyle, and how you view the world, is invalid. We're not going to let you do this any more," you'd see the US rise up in armed defense of Christianity. Hell, the KKK already "does that", and the big thing to get them riled up is blacks having equal rights.

The "Westernization" of the Middle and Far East shouldn't be presumed to automatically be a good thing. These people don't want to change from their way of life any more than we would want them running our gov't as a theocracy. They are rebelling (violently, and thus, immorally) against a mindset that they feel is slowly subverting their very identity.

-TheE-

[Galleazzo]

And think about it some.

Are you against gay marriage? That's a Christian thing.
Are you against abortion? That's a Christian thing.

Other countries and religions have different takes on it.

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by TheEschaton
Come on Latrin, the Church shuffled around these pedophiles instead of admitting them, and getting them help. The Church's hands are just as dirty in this little ordeal as the actual priest's hands themselves. Hiding something does not mean you actively supported it. The Church didn't want bad publicity, it's not like the Pope sent out a memo saying "Yo let's have sex with altar boys".

[Knights Templar]

Oh, and no I am not against gay marriage or abortion.

[Betheny]

Originally posted by Latrinsorm

Originally posted by TheEschaton
Come on Latrin, the Church shuffled around these pedophiles instead of admitting them, and getting them help. The Church's hands are just as dirty in this little ordeal as the actual priest's hands themselves. Hiding something does not mean you actively supported it. The Church didn't want bad publicity, it's not like the Pope sent out a memo saying "Yo let's have sex with altar boys".

But they condoned it by ignoring it.

It's called empowerment.

If you know your best friend is a child rapist, and you give him a job in a day care center, you EMPOWER him to do it again.