THW ambushing rogue

[SHAFT]

How feasible are these and will I be screwed on DS in the later levels?

[Drew]

It can be done, DS will be similar but slightly lower than an archer rogue.

[thefarmer]

It's easily done and very successful

[SHAFT]

very nice, thanks

[Gibreficul]

The beauty of ambushing with two-handed weapons is the SIZE of them removes the "height" restrictions a lot of critters have relative to using smaller OHE/OHB/Brawl weapons. In other words, you might be able to hit a frost giant's head without a knockdown with a THW, but not a OHE. RT is going to kill you later on more than the DS, or lack thereof. That's just my prediction, I could be wrong.

[WRoss]

The beauty of ambushing with two-handed weapons is the SIZE of them removes the "height" restrictions a lot of critters have relative to using smaller OHE/OHB/Brawl weapons. In other words, you might be able to hit a frost giant's head without a knockdown with a THW, but not a OHE. RT is going to kill you later on more than the DS, or lack thereof. That's just my prediction, I could be wrong.

Being and elf, half-elf, sylvan, or half-krol shouldn't have too much of an issue with RT or height restrictions. Just use a mattock or maul for 100% crush and low RT. If you hit the head, the target is dead. I have a little THW rogue that I let use my expertly crit weighted mattock. It's is quite amazing.

[SHAFT]

If everything goes right the character will be a human and using a coraesine bastardsword. I can make it work

[WRoss]

You're going to have to jack up your INF and DIS to get the stats to be able to not kill yourself hunting with it.

[Drew]

Honestly for a coreasine bastard sword wouldn't an mstrike build be more likely, mstrike and TWC?

[WRoss]

Too each, their own. I wonder how that second swing would work on an ambush. Double strike to the same area?

[Cacklewack]

I'm very much interested in this as well. I'm still arduously working on a proper build now that I'm returning. I'm debating between TWC with picking, TWC without picking and THW without picking. I'd love to go blunt but don't know that I can afford the additional cost over edged weapons.

To add to the initial post, anyone have any tips on a THW build?

Thanks,
Frozz

[WRoss]

1x armor, 1x cman, 1x ambush, 1.5x hide, 2x THW, 2x percep, 1.5x dodge, and 1x PF. Anything extra, spread it around. I'd suggest using flamberges to start as they are easier to aim. Eventually move to mattock/maul.

[SHAFT]

The coraesine bastard sword is attuned so I don't have to worry about the backlashing. MStriking would be interesting as well

[Stry]

I currently run a lower lvl rogue with THW. I have a few other friends who are doing it too.

Futtilo is the one who turned me onto this. He Runs THW and has spells up to e-wave and 150 mana or so. It's retarded. You 1 shot everything EASILY. He was running psinet Counts of his hunts in the bowels. His preliminary data shows almost a 98-99% 1-shot kill rate. 15 hunts he died once, not bad for the bowels at all.

I'll post my little rogues skills when I get home tonight.

You can't pick very well at first unless you stay in double leather and 1x dodge for a long while. maybe even 1.5x Cman

Oh, and my rogue is lvl 16. He swings a +24 mattock.. with wizard strength and col.. 250 AS.

He's half-elf.. I can ambush with a mattock or maul in 6 seconds. Once my Agil and Dex bonuses are high enough (88 each for half-elf)

[Stabbyrogue]

Yeah, the coraesine greatsword aimed at the same area. Had potential to miss like any swing, but it would be amazing for someone with the stats.

[DaCapn]

Level 35 burghal gnome. Swings a plain old 4x maul. Incredibly effective. Currently making up ambush training to full 2x.



Skill Name | Current Current
| Bonus Ranks
Armor Use..........................| 150 50
Combat Maneuvers...................| 130 35
Two-Handed Weapons.................| 174 74
Ambush.............................| 157 57
Physical Fitness...................| 134 37
Dodging............................| 174 74
Harness Power......................| 90 20
Stalking and Hiding................| 174 74
Climbing...........................| 130 35

Spell Lists
Minor Elemental....................| 10

[Stry]

(at level 16), your current skill bonuses and ranks (including all modifiers) are:
Skill Name | Current Current
| Bonus Ranks
Armor Use..........................| 66 14
Combat Maneuvers...................| 132 36
Two-Handed Weapons.................| 132 36
Ambush.............................| 132 36
Physical Fitness...................| 82 18
Dodging............................| 132 36
Harness Power......................| 25 5
Stalking and Hiding................| 132 36
Perception.........................| 132 36
Climbing...........................| 50 10




Shadow Mastery smastery 2
Dirtkick dirtkick 3
Silent Strike silentstrike 3
Combat Mobility mobility 1

Available Combat Maneuver Training Points: 2

Dirtkick is great for those pesky critters that don't seem to want to let you hide. And it's very easy to get 4-5 ranks in it..

This guy I was messing around with silentstrike...

[Stry]

Also when rolling up any THW charachter. Take your Dex and Agil bonus's seriously.. they make a world of a difference.

Reduction Agidex bonus sum
1 8
2 23
3 38
4 53
5 68

Race DEXterity AGIlity Max Sum
Halfling 25+15 25+10 75
Burghal Gnome 25+10 25+10 70
Elf 25+5 25+15 70
Aelotoi 25+5 25+10 65
Dark Elf 25+10 25+5 65
Forest Gnome 25+5 25+10 65
Half-Elf 25+5 25+10 65
Sylvankind 25+10 25+5 65
Half-Krolvin 25+0 25+5 55
Erithian 25+0 25+0 50
Human 25+0 25+0 50
Dwarf 25+0 25-5 45
Giantman 25-5 25-5 40



Ex: At a bonus of 53 my half-elf can ambush with a claidh/greatsword in 7 seconds. A mattock and maul in 6 seconds.. very very effective.

[SHAFT]

Level 47 THW ambushing and hiding rogue. I'd like to have some spells and also pick pocket. I'm not really concerned with picking.

1 x armor
2 x THW
2 x ambush
2 x dodging
2 x hiding
2 x perception
1 x pick pocketing
1 x cmans
1 x physical training
.5 x harness power

10 x minor elemental

I have 317 physical and 136 mental left to use, not sure where to put them. What do I have to do to start getting redux?

[Androidpk]

More PT.

[SHAFT]

Alright, i bumped it up to 2x PT, added 5 ranks of MOC and 20 ranks of swimming

[StrayRogue]

I survived fine up to 66 when I last logged out. I maxed out my combat skills, so 2x THW, 2x CM, 80 ranks of Armor for MBP (getting to this point was a huge turning point in survivability). I then spread the points around 1.5x PT, 1.5x Ambush, 1x Perception, was working on raising dodge to 2.5x. Everything else is gravy.

5 Ranks of MOC, 25 of Swim/Climb/Symbols/MIU/Survival/FA.

| Bonus Ranks
Armor Use..........................| 180 80
Combat Maneuvers...................| 236 136
Two-Handed Weapons.................| 236 136
Ambush.............................| 180 80
Multi Opponent Combat..............| 25 5
Physical Fitness...................| 180 80
Dodging............................| 246 146
Arcane Symbols.....................| 105 25
Magic Item Use.....................| 105 25
Harness Power......................| 25 5
Survival...........................| 105 25
Stalking and Hiding................| 234 134
Perception.........................| 197 97
Climbing...........................| 105 25
Swimming...........................| 105 25
First Aid..........................| 105 25

[Enitocin]

This is just me, but I personally love silent strike. It's great for situations when there's 2+ critters in the room. Silenstrike one of them and it's stunned, then ambush the other, works almost every time.

You need 2-3 ranks in silent strike for it to work effectively though. Not wasteful in my opinion, but yeah..

Ranged ftw.