CS

[Tumbadoo]

Question for all you number crunchers and stat freaks. What is the highest CS a Paladin can obtain, and what does the spell training look like? I've done some testing but it seems like you hit a huge dimineshing return with your Pally spells ranks once you hit the mid 100's. Who knows the combination of spiritual to pally spells that give you the biggest bang for your buck?

[audioserf]

I know nothing about paladins but, in the case of sorcerors at least, after your level+21 worth of base circle spells, you notice diminishing returns.

[WRoss]

At 202 total spells, 160 paladin 42 minor spirit, you can get a base CS of 449. This does not include racial bonus. With a dark elf or forest gnome, you'll get 30 more. With 1612 trained to max the CS bonus (+25), you can get a 504 CS.

[Asrial]

I know nothing about paladins but, in the case of sorcerors at least, after your level+21 worth of base circle spells, you notice diminishing returns."+21" has diminishing returns too.

21 ranks = 16 CS

[Mechwarrior1]

At 202 total spells, 160 paladin 42 minor spirit, you can get a base CS of 449. This does not include racial bonus. With a dark elf or forest gnome, you'll get 30 more. With 1612 trained to max the CS bonus (+25), you can get a 504 CS.

This is correct. I had it worked out with Valicar (giantman) at 202 spell ranks would have a flat 500 in the paladin circle which would obliterate just about anything, but it was a wierd mix of spell ranks bwteen the 100s and 200s. The problem is the 0/5454 training points required above and beyond 1x in spells. That is years of post cap grinding to achieve.

I do not think anyone has gotten close to the mark yet though Sabreon is probably nearer than anyone.

[Chaddy]

This is correct. I had it worked out with Valicar (giantman) at 202 spell ranks would have a flat 500 in the paladin circle which would obliterate just about anything, but it was a wierd mix of spell ranks bwteen the 100s and 200s. The problem is the 0/5454 training points required above and beyond 1x in spells. That is years of post cap grinding to achieve.

I do not think anyone has gotten close to the mark yet though Sabreon is probably nearer than anyone.

Is Naseer not active?

[WRoss]

Zimzum and Naseer were both somewhere near 500, though not quite there.


That is years of post cap grinding to achieve.

I do not think anyone has gotten close to the mark yet though Sabreon is probably nearer than anyone.

As far as points go, a lot of classes have this problem. The thing is that, besides Naseer and Sabreon, there really aren't any people grinding a post cap paladin.

[Riltus]

Theoretically, based on the player derived CS formula and rounding, the highest CS combo would be either 162 paladin/40 MnS or 159 paladin/43 MnS, since the bonus for the non-casting spell circle is added at ranks 1, 4, 7...37, 40, 43 etc.

162 paladin: (100 + 15 + 20 + 1) = 136
40 MnS: 14
Total: 150

or

159 paladin: (100 + 15 + 20) = 135
43 MnS: 15
Total: 150

Mark

[Mechwarrior1]

Zimzum and Naseer were both somewhere near 500, though not quite there.



As far as points go, a lot of classes have this problem. The thing is that, besides Naseer and Sabreon, there really aren't any people grinding a post cap paladin.

Menos is and well he is over 2x capped now. I do not hunt Valicar much anymore myself (been working my other characters up), but he is closer to 2x capped than he is to 1x. I cannot think of any other 10m+ exp paladins who are very active at the moment...

[Tumbadoo]

You gesture at a triton combatant.
A pillar of blood red radiance manifests around a triton combatant.
CS: +484 - TD: +295 + CvA: +20 + d100: +97 == +306
Warding failed!
Waves of sacred energy tear through the triton combatant's body!
... 77 points of damage!
... 75 points of damage!
Masterful slash to the triton combatant's lower back!
Spinal cord and life are just memories now.
The triton combatant collapses, gurgling once with a wrathful look on her face before expiring.
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.

124 paladin
34 lesser spirit

[Gelston]

What's a radicals TD to paladin base?

[Tumbadoo]

You gesture at a triton radical.
A pillar of blood red radiance manifests around a triton radical.
The dull golden nimbus surrounding a triton radical suddenly begins to glow brightly.
CS: +484 - TD: +346 + CvA: +25 + d100: +55 == +218
Warding failed!
Waves of sacred energy tear through the triton radical's body!
... 55 points of damage!
... 40 points of damage!
The triton radical twists away but is caught with a hard slash!
Back is broken!
It is knocked to the ground!

[Tumbadoo]

with an orb

You gesture at an ethereal triton sentry.
A pillar of blood red radiance manifests around an ethereal triton sentry.
The dull golden nimbus surrounding an ethereal triton sentry suddenly begins to glow brightly.
CS: +494 - TD: +379 + CvA: +25 + d100: +22 == +162
Warding failed!
Waves of sacred energy tear through the triton sentry's body!
... 46 points of damage!
... 15 points of damage!
A strong blow bursts the left calf open in a spray of vapor.
New muscle erupts from the middle of the wound, consuming the injured tissue.
The triton sentry is driven to his knees!
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.

[WRoss]

1614 would be pretty good in there

[Mechwarrior1]

1614 would be pretty good in there

except that it has a level-comparison factor in that unless you are nearly 10 levels over the target(s), you will not get the full binding effect even on a massive endroll.

[Tumbadoo]

fiddled around with the training and here is what we end up with...

You gesture at a triton combatant.
A pillar of blood red radiance manifests around a triton combatant.
CS: +500 - TD: +283 + CvA: +20 + d100: +82 == +319
Warding failed!
Waves of sacred energy tear through the triton combatant's body!
... 96 points of damage!
... 70 points of damage!
Wicked slash slices open the triton combatant's chest!
Heart and lungs pureed!
Sickening!
The triton combatant collapses, gurgling once with a wrathful look on her face before expiring.
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.

You gesture at a siren.
A pillar of blood red radiance manifests around a siren.
CS: +500 - TD: +329 + CvA: +20 + d100: +92 == +283
Warding failed!
Waves of sacred energy tear through the siren's body!
... 96 points of damage!
... 60 points of damage!
Incredible slash to the siren's neck!
Throat and vocal cords destroyed!
Zero chance of survival.
The siren gives a plaintive wail before she slumps to her side and dies.
The brilliant luminescence fades from around a siren.
The bright luminescence fades from around a siren.
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.

[Tumbadoo]

As you can see some sacrifices were made to reach this..

Naseer (at level 100), your current skill bonuses and ranks (including all modifiers) are:
Skill Name | Current Current
| Bonus Ranks
Armor Use..........................| 303 203
Shield Use.........................| 302 202
Combat Maneuvers...................| 276 176
Edged Weapons......................| 302 202
Ambush.............................| 105 25
Multi Opponent Combat..............| 130 35
Physical Fitness...................| 240 140
Dodging............................| 250 150
Arcane Symbols.....................| 120 30
Magic Item Use.....................| 120 30
Harness Power......................| 202 102
Spirit Mana Control................| 102 24
Spiritual Lore - Blessings.........| 111 27
Spiritual Lore - Religion..........| 105 25
Spiritual Lore - Summoning.........| 156 56
Perception.........................| 140 40
Climbing...........................| 140 40
Swimming...........................| 160 60
First Aid..........................| 150 50

Spell Lists
Minor Spirit.......................| 40

Spell Lists
Paladin............................| 162

[Mechwarrior1]

That is just insane....

Now if lore training would generate extra damage cycles....

[Tumbadoo]

with an Orb...

You gesture.
You briefly close your eyes, and a dark miasma roils about the ground around your feet. A faint black light builds up and emanates from your hand before it takes on the shape of an ethereal scimitar!
A torrent of incarnadine essence streams out from the blade of the ethereal scimitar, striking a siren!
CS: +511 - TD: +340 + CvA: +20 + d100: +84 == +275
Warding failed!
The siren is stricken for 73 points of damage!
... 75 points of damage!
Masterful slash to the siren's lower back!
Spinal cord and life are just memories now.
The siren gives a plaintive wail before she slumps to her side and dies.
The brilliant luminescence fades from around a siren.
The bright luminescence fades from around a siren.
The silvery luminescence fades from around a siren.
A torrent of incarnadine essence streams out from the blade of the ethereal scimitar, striking a triton combatant!
CS: +511 - TD: +295 + CvA: +20 + d100: +42 == +278
Warding failed!
The triton combatant is stricken for 87 points of damage!
... 65 points of damage!
Slash to the triton combatant's ribs opens a sucking chest wound!
The triton combatant collapses, gurgling once with a wrathful look on his face before expiring.
A torrent of incarnadine essence streams out from the blade of the ethereal scimitar, striking a spectral triton defender!
CS: +511 - TD: +296 + CvA: +25 + d100: +52 == +292
Warding failed!
The triton defender is stricken for 176 points of damage!
... 50 points of damage!
Surgical strike to the left eye removes the top of the head!
The triton defender goes still for a moment while its head reshapes.
The triton defender is driven to his knees!

The ethereal scimitar violently explodes, leaving nothing to remain.
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.

[Morph]

Naseer almost killed me with that spell in the temple the other day :D

[Fallen]

That's pretty awesome. Are you planning on pumping the CS up higher with Stat enhancives, or have you already done so?

[Tumbadoo]

Yeah, sorry about that Morph. I get a little trigger happy from time to time. As for the CS, I am hoping to up it with enhancives. I am not using anything at this time. I'm definitely open to suggestions on which enhancive would get the job done best. As soon as I'm fully bonded to the weapon it should raise up another 4 points, give or take.

I think I'll focus on harness power, armor use and maneuvers for a bit. The thought of tooling around the lands in full plate laying everything to waste without swinging my weapons is appealing.

[WRoss]

Yeah, sorry about that Morph. I get a little trigger happy from time to time. As for the CS, I am hoping to up it with enhancives. I am not using anything at this time. I'm definitely open to suggestions on which enhancive would get the job done best. As soon as I'm fully bonded to the weapon it should raise up another 4 points, give or take.

I think I'll focus on harness power, armor use and maneuvers for a bit. The thought of tooling around the lands in full plate laying everything to waste without swinging my weapons is appealing.

If you aren't going into offensive, MBP would be a much better option. This will allow you to train off action penalty, but still be in heavier armor. You'll also have a much lower spell hindrance.

As for enhancives, just load up your AG badge with wisdom bonus. CoL bracers give +1 wis each, so buying two of those is another CS. Wisdom enhancives can get quite expensive, so be prepared to spend a lot.

[Tumbadoo]

MBP is the option I'm looking at for now. Which would allow me to only need a handful more ranks of armor use. Wisdom for sure.

[WRoss]

One thing that will suck about being in MBP is that a lot of wisdom enhancives are on greaves and helms, which will fuck up your AP.

[Tumbadoo]

You gesture at a triton combatant.
A pillar of blood red radiance manifests around a triton combatant.
CS: +515 - TD: +295 + CvA: +20 + d100: +15 == +255
Warding failed!
Waves of sacred energy tear through the triton combatant's body!
... 71 points of damage!
... 60 points of damage!
Slash to the triton combatant's lower back!
Kidneys sliced and diced!
Death is slow and painful.
The triton combatant collapses, gurgling once with a wrathful look on her face before expiring.
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.