Pissed Off Man Crashes Plane Into IRS Building: Austin, TX

[Gan]

(CNN) -- An Austin, Texas, resident with an apparent grudge against the Internal Revenue Service set his house on fire Thursday and then crashed a small plane into a building housing an IRS office with nearly 200 employees, officials said.
Federal authorities identified the pilot of the Piper Cherokee PA-28 as Joseph Andrew Stack, 53.
Two people were injured and one person was missing, local officials said. There were no reported deaths.
A message on a Web site registered to Stack appears to be a suicide note.

more...
http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/02/18/texas.plane.crash/index.html?hpt=T1

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Crazy fucking Texans...

[Killer Kitten]

That'll show 'em!!!

[Showal]

He really took matters into his own hands.

[Gan]

Twitter:

OsamaBinLadin: (11:30-11:45 AM Feb 18th) LOL

[NicAlbion]

Wow...just...wow.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

What a chicken shit thing to do.

[Kuyuk]

What a chicken shit thing to do.

Agreed.

However, it's not like sitting in courts for years and years and years is any better?

[Durgrimst]

OsamaBinLadin: (11:30-11:45 AM Feb 18th) LOL

LOL

[Elgrim]

If he would have put a little more thought into this he could have yielded better results.

Host a cruise right after tax-time for IRS employees and tax attorneys. Once you are about 100 miles from shore, light up some bacon grease pipe bombs in the fuel area and send them to the ocean floor! :P

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

Twitter:

OsamaBinLadin: (11:30-11:45 AM Feb 18th) LOL

FUCK. :lol: Who'd like to join me in hell?

The suicide letter was disappointing. It's like an emo, mini-memoir.

[Kuyuk]

haha, true.. but then you'd probably get their families along with them..

and lol at the osama message

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Agreed.

However, it's not like sitting in courts for years and years and years is any better?

So instead attempt to kill who knows how many people who likely have NOTHING to do with his difficulties other than working for the organization that he's frustrated with.

Chickenshit. He wants to kill himself, I'm cool with that. He wants to make a statement, I'm cool with that too. Indiscriminately attempt to kill innocent people? That's a douche move.

[phantasm]

Good work USA, thats 1 less Texan.

[Allereli]

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2010/images/02/18/stack.letter.pdf?hpt=T1

PDF of suicide note

[Kuyuk]

So instead attempt to kill who knows how many people who likely have NOTHING to do with his difficulties other than working for the organization that he's frustrated with.

Chickenshit. He wants to kill himself, I'm cool with that. He wants to make a statement, I'm cool with that too. Indiscriminately attempt to kill innocent people? That's a douche move.


I didnt say the act of killing innocent people is cool. I just stated that making a "statement" as he did, may be a more effective alternate than wasting away in BS courtrooms for the next 10 years.

I am not condoning any type of attack on the masses of them.. However, he obviously felt wronged in some way and decided this was the only way to solve his problem.

Doesn't make him right. I mean, if I was going to do something similar, I'd at least take out the IRS agent(s) that were involved in my case.. right?

[Daniel]

Que Khariz telling us how Crazy liberals are the real ones we should be concerned about in America.

[Keller]

Que Khariz telling us how Crazy liberals are the real ones we should be concerned about in America.

Daniel, don't be obtuse. Liberals are pacivists [sic].

[The-Pwny-Express]

Anyone that has ever worked in a state/government job knows how slimy, nasty, two faced, and completely full of shit government officials and people in places of authority are. I'm sure that holds true throughout many facets of any organization. Corporate or government. The american people are indeed sheep, lead around to one thing or the other for those in powers benefit. I feel for the man, and understand a lot of his letter. However crashing a plane into innocent ppl wasn't the best way to go about it. But a man that's been beat down and driven into the ground throughout a lifetime isn't thinking clearly afterwards. It's just fuck it all.

[Warriorbird]

Score one for the Tea Partiers!

[Gan]

Good work USA, thats 1 less Texan.

Fuck you too, buddy.

[4a6c1]

Score one for the Tea Partiers!

^Actually no. Republicans are responsible for this. Obviously. We would like to go start a war in one or several foreign countries and gain profit (???) from the pillaged bounty of that countries natural resources while also maintaining a confused sexual captor/victim relationship with the privacy rights of the American people.

Please give us credit where credit is due.

[Warriorbird]

They're in the party! The Tea Party is just the new group that will be pimped out by the neocons to seize America. The last was the religious right.

[Ker_Thwap]

Anyone that has ever worked in a state/government job knows how slimy, nasty, two faced, and completely full of shit government officials and people in places of authority are. I'm sure that holds true throughout many facets of any organization. Corporate or government. The american people are indeed sheep, lead around to one thing or the other for those in powers benefit. I feel for the man, and understand a lot of his letter. However crashing a plane into innocent ppl wasn't the best way to go about it. But a man that's been beat down and driven into the ground throughout a lifetime isn't thinking clearly afterwards. It's just fuck it all.

I worked for the IRS as a Revenue Officer, and you're dead wrong. Every single person in that building is just an average person working the 9-5 and collecting their paycheck at the end of the week. They don't make the policies, they don't go out of their way to screw over the taxpayers, and they sure as hell aren't slimey, nasty, two faced or whatever other bitterness you want to spew.

This piece of shit was a "tax protester" There are thousands of them out there and they have one thing in common. They fixate on obscure, out of date laws and codes, and twist those laws soley to their own benefit. IRS employees aren't even allowed to label them as tax protesters for fear of hurting their feelings. If you feel for this man, then you have a serious mental condition.

I've met and interviewed maybe 50 protesters in my career, there's a thriving community of them in NH unfortunately. The pathetic thing is that most of them are dirt poor, because of stupid financial choices they've made in their own lives because they refuse to follow the laws. They all want to argue and show how smart they are, but in the end most are just selfish losers living in their own little fantasy worlds. With education and patience, many will opt back into the real life, improving the quality of their lives. I even have funny stories about some tax protesters, but this isn't the thread to share them in.

As a Revenue Officer I treated these people with the utmost respect, because it was my job to do so. They got the same rights as every other US citizen, and those taxpayer rights are extensive, real and have teeth to them.

My guess, and it's just a guess is that if the IRS was actually pursuing this guy, it was over the course of years, taking baby steps, because the taxpayer rights system in place really slows down enforcement. The IRS will never comment on what this guy did to deserve their attention because of the disclosure laws. Even after his vile cowardly act, they'll still protect his right to privacy. He had a wife and daughter, the IRS would never have seized a primary residence with a family in it. Yet this man left his wife and daughter homeless out of some irrational fear that the IRS would seize his home.

Despite how the "ambulance chaser" CPA firms on your television try vilify and scare suckers into using their services, it's not all that difficult to deal with the IRS if you make even half an attempt to do so.

[Parkbandit]

Score one for the Tea Partiers!

Don't worry.. your pals are still far out in front:

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2698207/biology_professor_amy_bishop_kills.html?cat=8

[Stanley Burrell]

This could have all been prevented if more people posed as IRS agents and went around donating their organs to random strangers before killing themselves with their pet jellyfish.

Oh well.

[Warriorbird]

Don't worry.. your pals are still far out in front:

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2698207/biology_professor_amy_bishop_kills.html?cat=8

Killing because you didn't get tenure doesn't relate to wacko politics as much as killing because you hate the IRS does. Good try though.

[Keller]

I worked for the IRS as a Revenue Officer, and you're dead wrong. Every single person in that building is just an average person working the 9-5 and collecting their paycheck at the end of the week. They don't make the policies, they don't go out of their way to screw over the taxpayers, and they sure as hell aren't slimey, nasty, two faced or whatever other bitterness you want to spew.

This piece of shit was a "tax protester" There are thousands of them out there and they have one thing in common. They fixate on obscure, out of date laws and codes, and twist those laws soley to their own benefit. IRS employees aren't even allowed to label them as tax protesters for fear of hurting their feelings. If you feel for this man, then you have a serious mental condition.

I've met and interviewed maybe 50 protesters in my career, there's a thriving community of them in NH unfortunately. The pathetic thing is that most of them are dirt poor, because of stupid financial choices they've made in their own lives because they refuse to follow the laws. They all want to argue and show how smart they are, but in the end most are just selfish losers living in their own little fantasy worlds. With education and patience, many will opt back into the real life, improving the quality of their lives. I even have funny stories about some tax protesters, but this isn't the thread to share them in.

As a Revenue Officer I treated these people with the utmost respect, because it was my job to do so. They got the same rights as every other US citizen, and those taxpayer rights are extensive, real and have teeth to them.

My guess, and it's just a guess is that if the IRS was actually pursuing this guy, it was over the course of years, taking baby steps, because the taxpayer rights system in place really slows down enforcement. The IRS will never comment on what this guy did to deserve their attention because of the disclosure laws. Even after his vile cowardly act, they'll still protect his right to privacy. He had a wife and daughter, the IRS would never have seized a primary residence with a family in it. Yet this man left his wife and daughter homeless out of some irrational fear that the IRS would seize his home.

Despite how the "ambulance chaser" CPA firms on your television try vilify and scare suckers into using their services, it's not all that difficult to deal with the IRS if you make even half an attempt to do so.

I deal with the IRS national office on a weekly basis at least.

I've never, ever had any issues with them. They are all very friendly, knowledgable, and easy to work with.

My bosses, on the other hand . . .

[Daniel]

Don't worry.. your pals are still far out in front:

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2698207/biology_professor_amy_bishop_kills.html?cat=8

Lolwut?

Are you seriously trying to compare a terrorist attack to that?

[Parkbandit]

Killing because you didn't get tenure doesn't relate to wacko politics as much as killing because you hate the IRS does. Good try though.

Read more about her.. she was an Obama fanatic and a left wing nutjob.

Also, I don't see a difference between what she did and what the pilot did.. except she didn't kill herself.

[Parkbandit]

Lolwut?

Are you seriously trying to compare a terrorist attack to that?

You mean.. comparing a terrorist attack to a terrorist attack?

Yea.

[Kuyuk]

I think the word terrorist is way over fucking used these days.

[BriarFox]

I think the word terrorist is way over fucking used these days.

Language terrorist.

[Kuyuk]

No, I'm an anal terrorist.

Watch out!

[BriarFox]

No, I'm an anal terrorist.

Watch out!

I'm going to glue my ass shut. That'll show you!

[Warriorbird]

Read more about her.. she was an Obama fanatic and a left wing nutjob.

Also, I don't see a difference between what she did and what the pilot did.. except she didn't kill herself.



Since I don't get all my news from Rupert Murdoch what I heard is that she didn't get tenure because she was a shitty teacher. I'm sure most people who've gone to a decent college have had professors who went to Harvard and who thought that that made them awesome. She thought so... and she'd read directly out of the book to try to teach. There were a bunch of complaints. She didn't get tenure. Then she methodically begin shooting members of her department at a faculty meeting.

He had gotten his hate on for the IRS for a while. Then he sets his house (with family in it) on fire and tries to fly a plane into an IRS building.

Definitely more on the level of McVeigh than Cho.

[Parkbandit]

Since I don't get all my news from Rupert Murdoch what I heard is that she didn't get tenure because she was a shitty teacher. I'm sure most people who've gone to a decent college have had professors who went to Harvard and who thought that that made them awesome. She thought so... and she'd read directly out of the book to try to teach. There were a bunch of complaints. She didn't get tenure. Then she methodically begin shooting members of her department at a faculty meeting.

He had gotten his hate on for the IRS for a while. Then he sets his house (with family in it) on fire and tries to fly a plane into an IRS building.

Definitely more on the level of McVeigh than Cho.

That's what you get when you only watch Keith Olbermann for all of your news. What he failed to inform you on was:

"a family source said Bishop . . . was a far-left political extremist who was 'obsessed' with President Obama to the point of being off-putting."

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/regional/view.bg?&articleid=1232943&format=&page=1&listingType=Loc

[Gan]

My litmus test for being called a terrorist.

Was it a murderous or criminal act publicly committed to effect change or draw attention to a cause or movement through a reaction of terror.

I would say that this instance (Stack - plane crash pilot) is an example of domestic terrorism based on his reasons as stated in his manifesto.

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

I classify them both as totally fucking crazycakes, but yeah I agree with Gan.

I'm also not sure how Bishop could be classified as a terrorist and not just a sick fucked up individual.

[AnticorRifling]

I heard as long as you blame someone else for why you're doing something retarded (shooting, running a plane into a building, etc) then it's for your cause and you're "showing them" and it's not crazy/terroristic. My fault I failed?! No fuckin way PEW PEW PEW PEW.

[Kuyuk]

Because she terrorized her colleagues, duh.

[Clove]

Despite how the "ambulance chaser" CPA firms on your television try vilify and scare suckers into using their services, it's not all that difficult to deal with the IRS if you make even half an attempt to do so.Yes. That has always been my experience. X10.

[Kuyuk]

I cant wait until lightsabers are invented so people can go out in style.

http://static.berryreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/starwars_kid.jpg

[Warriorbird]

That's what you get when you only watch Keith Olbermann for all of your news. What he failed to inform you on was:

"a family source said Bishop . . . was a far-left political extremist who was 'obsessed' with President Obama to the point of being off-putting."

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/regional/view.bg?&articleid=1232943&format=&page=1&listingType=Loc

I don't even get cable.


The Herald's history can be traced back through two lineages, the Daily Advertiser and the old Boston Herald, and two media moguls, William Randolph Hearst and Rupert Murdoch.

...yeah.

Even if she was a Communist... it wasn't the primary factor in her wacko snap. You still fail. Despite her being a professor Stack was WAY more Unabomber.

[Parkbandit]

I don't even get cable.



...yeah.

Even if she was a Communist... it wasn't the primary factor in her wacko snap. You still fail. Despite her being a professor Stack was WAY more Unabomber.

And yet, you made that exact claim in this thread pertaining to the crazy pilot pissed off at the IRS.

You not only fail, you fail miserably.

But let's be honest.. you are used to that. Failure is your comfort zone.

[Warriorbird]

He flew the plane at THE IRS. I'm sorry if you're unable to make the connection. Maybe you're ashamed. She shot a bunch of people... many who WERE liberal.

[Mechwarrior1]

This happened in Austin. I work for the Austin PD. Unfortunately, I have been out on injury leave since Christmas when I was hit on duty enroute to a call, so I was not on duty when we deployed to the crash scene. As I live to be able to run into the danger zones of life, I was pissed as hell that I could not be at the scene. The rest of my shift was however and I listened to the situation on my radio.

While I cannot divulge tactical details of course, I will say that the situation was treated as a weapons of mass destruction event which we train long and hard to be able to handle- WMDs can be many things from standard explosive devices, to biologicals, to nerve agents, to radioactive materials, or any other impact or explosive attack that is made "for wide spread effect" such as in this case, a deliberate crashing of an airplane into large, occupied place of business. Mass destruction certainly occurred; it took out a multi-story office building. Fortunately, the loss of life was minimal considering the damage inflicted.

Terrorism or not terrorism? Well, my sister happened to be on the second floor of that building at a meeting when the plane hit. Fortunately, she was on the otherside from the impact or she would have been killed. She called me right as she was evacuating the building and she and her co-workers were in tears and mortified with terror; all based upon the actions of Stack which was to inflict a resounding, public, and very poignant attack.

It was domestic terrorism plain and simple.

Our EOD suspects that Stack had an additional explosive device on board, but will not know for sure till forensics has processed the scene for residue. Generally a single-prop 4 seater is not capable of producing the blast we saw generated at this crash on its own. We were also worried that he may have had something in the plane rigged for a secondary blast, but fortunately, if there was something, it went up initially or never dedonated.

In any case, its the Fed's mess at this point to clean up.

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

My sister and brother-in-law live like two blocks away from where it happened, apparently the whole area still smells like smoke :/

http://photos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs376.snc3/24092_483599535526_741925526_11227313_3070526_n.jp g

[Gan]

The Piper Cherokee model that he flew had a fuel capacity of ~50 gal.
According to the news reports - he had recently filled up the plane, either at the end of his last flight or right before takeoff.

50 gallons of AVgas common for props (110-120 octane) can make lots of fire- really fast.

[Parkbandit]

He flew the plane at THE IRS. I'm sorry if you're unable to make the connection. Maybe you're ashamed. She shot a bunch of people... many who WERE liberal.

Wait, whut?

If you plow a plane into an IRS building, you are a tea party nutjob and that is why you did it.. but if you shoot some of your fellow professors, your political views have nothing to do with anything?

That is one gigantic, fluffy blanket of failure you are wrapped up in. I bet you are nice and warm.

Good to know that it is only Conservatives that can be upset with the IRS.

[4a6c1]

..... As I live to be able to run into the danger zones of life.....

i r cop because i laik DANGER

DANGER!

HIGH VOLTAGE!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2a4gyJsY0mc

Yes I am making fun of you.


:-X

[Mechwarrior1]

i r cop because i laik DANGER

DANGER!

HIGH VOLTAGE!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2a4gyJsY0mc

Yes I am making fun of you.


:-X

No worries, We are used to that. But yeah, the profession does keep life entertaining.

[4a6c1]

You dont have to sing DANGER DANGER all the time. You can be like, "I wanted to protect and serve." and nobody will think less of you. ;)

[Daniel]

Wait, whut?

If you plow a plane into an IRS building, you are a tea party nutjob and that is why you did it.. but if you shoot some of your fellow professors, your political views have nothing to do with anything?

That is one gigantic, fluffy blanket of failure you are wrapped up in. I bet you are nice and warm.

Good to know that it is only Conservatives that can be upset with the IRS.

Are you being serious?

[Parkbandit]

Are you being serious?

Yea.

[Parkbandit]

(Feb. 19) -- Before the flames from Joseph Stack's suicide run at an Austin, Texas, building had been extinguished, fires broke out on the Internet over whether his attack could or should be linked to the Tea Party movement.

A mere two hours after the plane struck, the liberal site Daily Kos weighed in, saying that Tea Party "anti-government forces ... have struck with their first 9/11-inspired terrorist attack."

Over at the Washington Post, Jonathan Capehart wrote in a blog post that, after reading Stack's manifesto, "I am struck by how his alienation is similar to what we're hearing from the extreme elements of the Tea Party movement."

And Chris Rovzar posted on the New York magazine site that "a lot of his rhetoric could have been taken directly from a handwritten sign at a Tea Party rally."

Time magazine made a subtler hint in that direction, with a link to a story about "the making of the Tea Party movement" right after a quote from Stack's apparent suicide note.

All of which prompted conservative bloggers to denounce attempts by the "mainstream press" to make such a connection.

"The mainstream liberal media is already having a field [day] with the plane crash," says Habledash. "Their obvious attempts to connect the suicide pilot ... to the Tea Party movement completely unveils their political agenda."

Prison Planet added that "Even before many of the details were confirmed surrounding yesterday's tragic events in Austin, political operatives were callously exploiting the incident to advance their agenda in demonizing opponents of big government."

And RightPundits.com declared itself "stunned and outraged by the coverage of the Joseph Stack attack in the liberal blogosphere and then the mainstream media." It went on to quote Tea Party leaders in the Austin area saying that Stack was not a member.

Writing in the Washington Examiner, meanwhile, David Freddoso argues that the press are ignoring Stack's "left-wing discontent," pointing to language in Stack's posting that "could have appeared in some form on any of several left-wing message boards."

Truth is, precious little is known about Stack at this point, except that he was deranged and suicidal nutjob.

And there's certainly no way to glean any coherent political message -- liberal, conservative or any other bent -- from his post.

After all, the centerpiece of his complaint is about a section of the 1986 tax reform act, signed into law by President Ronald Reagan. The only politicians Stack specifically names are George W. Bush (whom he calls a "presidential puppet") and former centrist New York Democratic Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan (who according to Stack was "sleazy"). The Catholic Church comes in for a Stack attack (it's "vulgar, corrupt"), as does organized religion generally ("monsters"), the FAA, GM, capitalism and the entire American public.

Right-leaning PoliPundit summed it up this way: "Mad as Hell, at Everyone!"

But Richard Benjamin, writing for the liberal Huffington Post, perhaps put it best: "The tortured manifesto cannot be properly labeled as 'left-' or 'right-wing'. Rather, it's a non-partisan screed against problems roiling the Republic -- and Stack's head -- for years."

http://www.aolnews.com/the-point/article/austin-plane-crash-ignites-texas-size-tea-party-battle-online/19365360

Bolded the important part.. for those who make failing look so easy...

[Cephalopod]

http://sykej.com/images/ragequit.jpg

[Gan]

(Feb. 19) -- Before the flames from Joseph Stack's suicide run at an Austin, Texas, building had been extinguished, fires broke out on the Internet over whether his attack could or should be linked to the Tea Party movement.

A mere two hours after the plane struck, the liberal site Daily Kos weighed in, saying that Tea Party "anti-government forces ... have struck with their first 9/11-inspired terrorist attack."

Over at the Washington Post, Jonathan Capehart wrote in a blog post that, after reading Stack's manifesto, "I am struck by how his alienation is similar to what we're hearing from the extreme elements of the Tea Party movement."

And Chris Rovzar posted on the New York magazine site that "a lot of his rhetoric could have been taken directly from a handwritten sign at a Tea Party rally."

Time magazine made a subtler hint in that direction, with a link to a story about "the making of the Tea Party movement" right after a quote from Stack's apparent suicide note.

All of which prompted conservative bloggers to denounce attempts by the "mainstream press" to make such a connection.

"The mainstream liberal media is already having a field [day] with the plane crash," says Habledash. "Their obvious attempts to connect the suicide pilot ... to the Tea Party movement completely unveils their political agenda."

Prison Planet added that "Even before many of the details were confirmed surrounding yesterday's tragic events in Austin, political operatives were callously exploiting the incident to advance their agenda in demonizing opponents of big government."

And RightPundits.com declared itself "stunned and outraged by the coverage of the Joseph Stack attack in the liberal blogosphere and then the mainstream media." It went on to quote Tea Party leaders in the Austin area saying that Stack was not a member.

Writing in the Washington Examiner, meanwhile, David Freddoso argues that the press are ignoring Stack's "left-wing discontent," pointing to language in Stack's posting that "could have appeared in some form on any of several left-wing message boards."

Truth is, precious little is known about Stack at this point, except that he was deranged and suicidal nutjob.

And there's certainly no way to glean any coherent political message -- liberal, conservative or any other bent -- from his post.

After all, the centerpiece of his complaint is about a section of the 1986 tax reform act, signed into law by President Ronald Reagan. The only politicians Stack specifically names are George W. Bush (whom he calls a "presidential puppet") and former centrist New York Democratic Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan (who according to Stack was "sleazy"). The Catholic Church comes in for a Stack attack (it's "vulgar, corrupt"), as does organized religion generally ("monsters"), the FAA, GM, capitalism and the entire American public.

Right-leaning PoliPundit summed it up this way: "Mad as Hell, at Everyone!"

But Richard Benjamin, writing for the liberal Huffington Post, perhaps put it best: "The tortured manifesto cannot be properly labeled as 'left-' or 'right-wing'. Rather, it's a non-partisan screed against problems roiling the Republic -- and Stack's head -- for years."

http://www.aolnews.com/the-point/article/austin-plane-crash-ignites-texas-size-tea-party-battle-online/19365360

Bolded the important part.. for those who make failing look so easy...

:facepalm:

Leave it to the DailyKos to go there...

Thanks for posting PB.

[Cephalopod]

DailyKos is generally garbage. It's like the liberal ClydeR.

That said, a lot of 'respectable' news sources have published op pieces where people are making linkages to the Tea Party movement. Honestly, skimming through his apparent suicide note, he seems to be for universal health care, against religion, and some of his other views are just kind of scattered. Pretty disappointing that WaPo, NYT, etc have labeled his views as 'close to the tea party'.

As much as I dislike the Teabaggers, I'm not sure why anyone is linking him to it.

Edit: According to this (http://bungalowbillscw.blogspot.com/2010/02/joseph-andrew-stack-facebook-page.html), it's actually a full-fledged liberal conspiracy to make him look like a Tea Party supporter.

More: Kamakazi pilot Joe Stack, who crashed plane into Austin building, hailed by anti-government groups (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2010/02/19/2010-02-19_kamakazi_pilot_hailed_by_loonies_as_antigov_her o.html)
"The right called him a socialist, and the left branded him a right-wing tea partyer."

I guess people calling him an 'American hero' didn't help discourage the tea-party idea, regardless of what's in his manifesto.

[Latrinsorm]

I saw on the order of a hundred nice, pleasant people today. Then I read certain complaints in this thread, and I remember the eagerness with which certain commentators classified the murderer Hasan as an Islamic terrorist. How can there be hope?

[Gan]

I saw on the order of a hundred nice, pleasant people today. Then I read certain complaints in this thread, and I remember the eagerness with which certain commentators classified the murderer Hasan as an Islamic terrorist. How can there be hope?

So you dont think Hasan (Fort Hood Shooter) is not a terrorist? And furthermore what cause did he proport to commit such a heinous act for?

[Warriorbird]

DailyKos staffer kicking back at the Murdoch spin. Video link at their site.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2010/2/19/838732/-Inventing-the-chip-on-their-shoulder

Inventing the chip on their shoulder
by Jed Lewison
Share this on Twitter - Inventing the chip on their shoulder Fri Feb 19, 2010 at 12:37:57 PM PST
Here's an amusing example of how Fox feeds it's "conservatives vs. the world" narrative: FNC anchor Megyn Kelly citing a single Daily Kos diary to make the claim that "liberal bloggers blame tea party groups for Texas attack."


Never mind that the diary cited by Kelly only received four recommends and was rejected by most people who saw it; never mind that its headline was removed by a site moderator; never mind that on the front page, we cautioned against making a link to tea party groups.

Never mind that on Fox yesterday, Republican Senator Scott Brown suggested that Washington might be to blame for the frustration that led to the plane attack (Brown's comments are in the video above); never mind that conservatives at CPAC are making jokes about anti-tax activists flying planes into IRS buildings.

Never mind all those things, because Fox has a narrative to sell, and in that narrative conservatives are under siege. From Daily Kos. And even though they are twisting reality to fit their storyline, it's kind of cool that they've decided to cast us as the villains. It's a sign we're doing something right.

Update (12:42PM): Here's a link to Vyan's recommended diary on the plane attack, "Suicide Plane Attack on Austin IRS Building- Terrorism?." Contrary to Fox's claim, that diary does not blame tea party groups for the plane attack in any way whatsoever.

:::

For the record... first time I said it was merely a joke in terrible taste (not like many people here haven't made them.) Following it up was mainly to combat PB's notion that this somehow wasn't domestic terrorism. A virulent anti IRS anti immigrant organization like the Tea Party certainly might make such people feel better about their views but I know they only want to elect a bunch of Republicans who'll sell them out, not kill people.

[Parkbandit]

DailyKos staffer kicking back at the Murdoch spin. Video link at their site.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2010/2/19/838732/-Inventing-the-chip-on-their-shoulder

Inventing the chip on their shoulder
by Jed Lewison
Share this on Twitter - Inventing the chip on their shoulder Fri Feb 19, 2010 at 12:37:57 PM PST
Here's an amusing example of how Fox feeds it's "conservatives vs. the world" narrative: FNC anchor Megyn Kelly citing a single Daily Kos diary to make the claim that "liberal bloggers blame tea party groups for Texas attack."


Never mind that the diary cited by Kelly only received four recommends and was rejected by most people who saw it; never mind that its headline was removed by a site moderator; never mind that on the front page, we cautioned against making a link to tea party groups.

Never mind that on Fox yesterday, Republican Senator Scott Brown suggested that Washington might be to blame for the frustration that led to the plane attack (Brown's comments are in the video above); never mind that conservatives at CPAC are making jokes about anti-tax activists flying planes into IRS buildings.

Never mind all those things, because Fox has a narrative to sell, and in that narrative conservatives are under siege. From Daily Kos. And even though they are twisting reality to fit their storyline, it's kind of cool that they've decided to cast us as the villains. It's a sign we're doing something right.

Update (12:42PM): Here's a link to Vyan's recommended diary on the plane attack, "Suicide Plane Attack on Austin IRS Building- Terrorism?." Contrary to Fox's claim, that diary does not blame tea party groups for the plane attack in any way whatsoever.

You really need to get cable and not get your "news" from the Daily Kos.

[Warriorbird]

I'm sorry. I was discussing such an idea way before they were. Mainly in response to Murdochian retardation. I actually get a bunch of my political news from a feed that draws primarily from the BBC (though arguably they have a liberal bias too).

You seem to get yours from Drudge. Not really seeing a leg to stand on there. Drudge's link base isn't all from what I'd call credible sources. I point them out when I see them. Rocktar neg reps me for it. I laugh. It's how it goes.

[Parkbandit]

I'm sorry. I was discussing such an idea way before they were. Mainly in response to Murdochian retardation. I actually get a bunch of my political news from a feed that draws primarily from the BBC (though arguably they have a liberal bias too).

You seem to get yours from Drudge. Not really seeing a leg to stand on there.

So if I can translate your stupidity to one concise sentence:

"I don't get all my news from Daily Kos.. I also get it from the BBC!"

Awesome.

[Warriorbird]

Do some research. Check and see whether I discussed it before anybody on DailyKos did. Go go PB trolling technique!

Then you can post some more links from media sources that Rupert Murdoch owns or the ever credible WorldNet daily.

The discussion I cared about ended here when your 'Not domestic terrorism.' claim got smashed up by a law enforcement officer.

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

I thought a lot of people on both sides of the political fence get their news from the BBC? For the most part I've found them to be rather neutral. A lot more neutral than say, Fox or MSNBC.

[Parkbandit]

Do some research. Check and see whether I discussed it before anybody on DailyKos did. Go go PB trolling technique!

Then you can post some more links from media sources that Rupert Murdoch owns or the ever credible WorldNet daily.

The discussion I cared about ended here when your 'Not domestic terrorism.' claim got smashed up by a law enforcement officer.

Seriously, did you have a brain aneurysm? What is your point.. that you weren't the first stupid idiot to make the leap to link this guy.. with no real credible evidence.. to the Tea Party movement? Well congratulations!!! You weren't the first stupid idiot!!!

Your mommy should be so proud that you weren't the first one that was wrong for a change.

[Parkbandit]

I thought a lot of people on both sides of the political fence get their news from the BBC? For the most part I've found them to be rather neutral. A lot more neutral than say, Fox or MSNBC.

BBC is far from neutral. True, more neutral than Fox News or MSNBC, but let's be honest.. there is a HUGE gap between being neutral and either of those stations.

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

I am genuinely curious and not being snarky/gearing up to be, what would you say is the most neutral news source?

[Gan]

I am genuinely curious and not being snarky/gearing up to be, what would you say is the most neutral news source?

In my opinion. CNN Headline News. At about 45 seconds for each covered story - there's not much time to interject opinion. In fact, the only bias opportunity I can see is choosing which stories to air and which to ignore.

[Warriorbird]

In my opinion. CNN Headline News. At about 45 seconds for each covered story - there's not much time to interject opinion. In fact, the only bias opportunity I can see is choosing which stories to air and which to ignore.

I like CNN too (and sometimes get feed stories from there)... though I'm sure PB could make something out of that as disconnected from logic or reality or the discussion as his last post.

Still, like I said, the BBC is where I primarily get stuff from. After a few years of trying to get into the whole blog thing I've mostly given up (except for using them as a source of music). I appreciate things like RSS feeds that blogs inspired, however.

As far as this story goes I'm hoping that more comes out vs the whole Hasan thing which seemed like it had been squelched by the military and the government.

[Latrinsorm]

So you dont think Hasan (Fort Hood Shooter) is not a terrorist? And furthermore what cause did he proport to commit such a heinous act for?I am specifically comparing the respective uproars generated by descriptions of Hasan as an Islamic terrorist and Stack as a Tea Party terrorist. I'm not sure how you meant to phrase your first question, but I see no reason to describe Hasan as any kind of terrorist.
What is your point.. that you weren't the first stupid idiot to make the leap to link this guy.. with no real credible evidence.. to the Tea Party movement?From Warriorbird's post: "Never mind that the diary cited by Kelly only received four recommends and was rejected by most people who saw it; never mind that its headline was removed by a site moderator; never mind that on the front page, we cautioned against making a link to tea party groups." The point is that DailyKos, as a site, did not weigh in describing Stack as a Tea Party terrorist. One might carry on from there to the ease with which Editor Merline bamboozled you, but that is probably best suited for its own topic.

[Gan]

I am specifically comparing the respective uproars generated by descriptions of Hasan as an Islamic terrorist and Stack as a Tea Party terrorist. I'm not sure how you meant to phrase your first question, but I see no reason to describe Hasan as any kind of terrorist.

Yes, we've had that discussion in the Hasan thread. Its a shame that you're still incorrect. :(

[Back]

Domestic terrorism ftmfl.

[baxterbaker]

thanks God it was not percieved as another 9/11 and security agencies have promptly found the actual cause behind this action...otherwise it would result in another Iraq or Afghanistan war like situation....Which Americans are not willing to support with their hard earned money that they paid as taxes.
Taxans are the real inherants of B**h junior (hehehe).