lvl 40 Bard (almost 41)

[Sile]

Sold

[Sile]

Cb 25m to Wrathbringer.

[Geshron]

Those are sick, sick leathers.

[Sile]

Those are sick, sick leathers.

Aye they are. I consider the opening bid a little under the price of the gear included.

Hopefully a few bidders take this into account. Time will tell.

[Sile]

Going once.

[Sile]

Going 2x.

At this price its a steal, pretty much a free Bard.

[Sile]

Character sold on Buy out without gear. Moving gear to Auctions.

[Wrathbringer]

Lame.

[The-Pwny-Express]

yeah...that is

[Sile]

I decided to take a buyout offer that was worth more to me then the CB that was up, sure it was less then the CB but it was for a bard without gear. Don't see how that is lame.

[Telfaahga]

it's lame because you got a bid for the bard with all the equipment and then sold it to someone else.

[Durgrimst]

If you really want something, you gotta bid like you want it, not like you want to get a deal on it.

[Stry]

^This

There's nothing wrong with someone taking a better offer because it's a better deal.

[The-Pwny-Express]

It's lame because it is of the darkest shade of shady


He even admitted the BO was less than the current bid. That is big gay Al

[Sile]

I did admit the BO was less then the current bid, but it was for a naked bard.

I sold the bard for $130. The current bid for the bard + gear was 200.

I am making 22m extra from selling the gear seperate and coin on the bard.

So total value is roughly $300.

I even informed the High Bidder that I was mulling over a buy out offer for the bard without gear, he was ok with that. And even since it was less then his CB, when I accepted the buyout offer, I gave him a chance to match it in silvers.

So I accepted something worth more, pretty standard.

[The-Pwny-Express]

ok.....but the auction was for a bard with gear which you had a bid on....then you sold the bard naked for less on a bo than the cb and are auctioning off the gear. That's dirty as fuck. IMO. Some slimy ass merchants might thing that's all cool and dandy. But I didn't see the disclaimer at the bottom of the auction saying "I might fuck you in the ass, buyers beware" so I don't see how this is ok. Idk, that's just me and my morals.

[Sile]

Well I never hid anything from the bidder.

Anyways it's done, most don't care, some like you and a few others think it was shady, no amount of discusion is going to change how people feel.

I'm gone in a couple weeks, will be back, after my deployment.

You may not like me, or whatnot, I don't agree with what you say, but I will, and do fight for your right to say it.

That is all I have to say in this tread.

[The-Pwny-Express]

Well I appreciate you fighting for my rights, but you still fucked wrath over pretty decent. It just pisses me off so much cuz he's a good, honest dude. That, and the fact that dirty ass merchants nowadayz are trying to make shit like this the standard, and it's not. This type of shit is not cool, and it's not ok. It's bs. Be an honest merchant, if you put something up for a low bid and someones getting a deal on it then you stick to that and take the loss. That's your own fault for taking that chance. You don't fuck somebody over and just cancel the auction on a bo that's less than the cb and auction the gear cuz it's more of a profit for you.

[Telfaahga]

If you really want something, you gotta bid like you want it, not like you want to get a deal on it.

are you fucking retarded? the min bid was $200 so he bid that why should he have to bid more then that? If the buyer wanted more in the first place which he obviously did he should of made the MB higher.

[Alarke]

Jesus there are some people that would die in two minutes of trying to run a business.... This from someone who owns next to nothing and therefore CANT be a slimy ass merchant:

He received a bit of $200 for bard + gear. It was an auction, not a flat priced sale. THIS IS KEY. He later received an offer for $130 for the bard completely naked. HE ALERTED THE CURRENT BIDDER TO THIS BUY OUT OFFER. He decided that with 25M in gear, the buyout offer was significantly higher enough to take that offer. HE THEN ALLOWED THE CURRENT BIDDER TO MEET THE PRICE TO BE FAIR. The current bidder was okay with not taking it, decided to move on, and the bard was sold. Items being sold seperately.

I hate slimy ass merchants to accept undervalued bids, keep all bidders alert to not only the current bids but the possible buyout offer, give them the chance to meet the buyout offer to be fair and then sell in reasonable amounts of time. You people ruin Gemstone!!!! /sarcasm.

Seriously... pull the stick out of your ass and step away long enough to realize this is one of the more well run auctions I'd heard of as far as keeping everyone aware.

I've capitalized all parts that prove he ran a very fair and effective auction, for those of you too slow to understand sales.

[Alarke]

are you fucking retarded? the min bid was $200 so he bid that why should he have to bid more then that? If the buyer wanted more in the first place which he obviously did he should of made the MB higher.

Are YOU fucking retarded?? OP offered the first bidder the chance to meet the buyout and he didnt. bid like you want something, not like you want a deal on something seems very fitting here.

[Morrff]

The seller should have stuck with the currently geared bard if it already HAD the CB met(unless a higher BO was reached), not accept a lower BO. You should have made your MB higher or thought about the process of which you were going to sell IMO. Either way no real loss to anyone, but does seem kinda shady.

[Telfaahga]

Morrff is right and I am right Alarke I guess you fall under "fucking retard" as well if you cannot see how this is wrong.

Why should he have to meet a buyout on a totally different deal then was listed in the auction's first post? this is simple logic here what the fuck guys?

[100% Wool]

damn. no one read my thread about Sile doing shady shit? probably because it didn't have enough drama in it. told you guys to watch out for this dude.

[Alarke]

Morrff is right and I am right Alarke I guess you fall under "fucking retard" as well if you cannot see how this is wrong.

Why should he have to meet a buyout on a totally different deal then was listed in the auction's first post? this is simple logic here what the fuck guys?

I am right and you are wrong!!!! good job, stellar arguement! Please hit on all the points I capitalized on my post to tell me how I am fucking retarded and I will be more than happy to actually have a discussion with you. I however, will not drop to 10 year old IM RIGHT AND YOUR NOT arguements here.

The product in question was a Bard. The bard is the main focus on this sale, not the gear.

Let's say someone is selling a dog online that comes with 15 sweaters and hats to dress it up with for $1000. They have someone bid $1000 for everything and they make the post updating that. Someone else comes along and says, "holy crap, that's the dog i'm looking for, by why the hell would I EVER dress it up in that crap??" They then contact the seller about the dog and offer $850 to purchase the dog with no accessories. The seller thinks about it, realizes he can sell the accessories for over $400 and decides it's worth the extra effort for $250 in profit.

He accepts the bid, but before accepting, offer the same deal to the original bidder. Turns out the original bidder is not interested in the dog alone at $850, and does not want to match the total offer valued at around $1250. They say thank you and turn it down. Now, the original seller STILL sold the same dog, nothing about the dog itself changed - only the accessories that came with it. They accessories were not the focus of the sale, and someone was smart enough to realize they didnt give a shit about the accessories and simply made an offer on the dog.

This is a story using tangible things to make it a little easier to understand why you are a retard for calling this shady. Is it the sellers fault you were too retarded to see the sale was about the bard and not necessarily the shit that came glued to him? no. Move on. Now come back with a real counter or i'm done trying to deal with you.

[Telfaahga]

gues what? im right.

now make a post way longer then the above one which I didn't read.

[Alarke]

gues what? im right.

now make a post way longer then the above one which I didn't read.

Alright, I'll try something more simple for you - I've been here longer and made more posts -I'm right and you're wrong.

Was that 3rd grade enough for you? Regardless, for anyone with half a brain, feel free to read my posts as to why this was a perfectly legit transaction, you may actually learn something.

[Telfaahga]

You actually have not been here longer then me. I just have had different names and don't post much but who cares anyway.

I do not agree with your argument but as you are amazingly smart I see you just assume your way of thinking is always correct which is fine.

I also never said that I didn't read your post becauase of length I just try to shield my eyes from bullshit.

[The-Pwny-Express]

I am right and you are wrong!!!! good job, stellar arguement! Please hit on all the points I capitalized on my post to tell me how I am fucking retarded and I will be more than happy to actually have a discussion with you. I however, will not drop to 10 year old IM RIGHT AND YOUR NOT arguements here.

The product in question was a Bard. The bard is the main focus on this sale, not the gear.

Let's say someone is selling a dog online that comes with 15 sweaters and hats to dress it up with for $1000. They have someone bid $1000 for everything and they make the post updating that. Someone else comes along and says, "holy crap, that's the dog i'm looking for, by why the hell would I EVER dress it up in that crap??" They then contact the seller about the dog and offer $850 to purchase the dog with no accessories. The seller thinks about it, realizes he can sell the accessories for over $400 and decides it's worth the extra effort for $250 in profit.

He accepts the bid, but before accepting, offer the same deal to the original bidder. Turns out the original bidder is not interested in the dog alone at $850, and does not want to match the total offer valued at around $1250. They say thank you and turn it down. Now, the original seller STILL sold the same dog, nothing about the dog itself changed - only the accessories that came with it. They accessories were not the focus of the sale, and someone was smart enough to realize they didnt give a shit about the accessories and simply made an offer on the dog.

This is a story using tangible things to make it a little easier to understand why you are a retard for calling this shady. Is it the sellers fault you were too retarded to see the sale was about the bard and not necessarily the shit that came glued to him? no. Move on. Now come back with a real counter or i'm done trying to deal with you.



Riiiight....so in the future if I'm running an auction where I'm auctioning items as a set and someone has a bid on that set I don't like and is about to win the auction...what I'll do is I'll just cancel that auction altogether, sell the center piece out of the set outright because someone expressed interest in it, and then re-auction and put those same items back up minus that one item and essentially just restart the auction again. BUT! I'll make sure I notify the current bidder of whats goin on. Here's how that MSG went...

"Hey man, listen, I know you have the high bid on this auction I'm running....buuuuut I don't really like that ur going to win it so cheap even though I made the mb myself...and someone has made an offer on a single item out of the auction which is less than ur cb so I'm using that as grounds to tell u u can either up ur cb to something I like more, or I'm just going to cancel this auction and sell him that single piece. Then I'm going to re-auction all the rest by themselves because that works out better for me"


In case you were unaware of it up to this point in ur life, let me lay all doubts to rest. YES...you ARE a total douchebag. You REEK of douche, you wear a cologne named Le Douche, and you wear it heavily.

[The-Pwny-Express]

Are YOU fucking retarded?? OP offered the first bidder the chance to meet the buyout and he didnt. bid like you want something, not like you want a deal on something seems very fitting here.


Offered him the chance to meet the BO? His cb was more than the BO! I wouldn't have up my bid with him trying to pull that bullshit move on me either. That's total nonsense

[nub]

Offered him the chance to meet the BO? His cb was more than the BO! I wouldn't have up my bid with him trying to pull that bullshit move on me either. That's total nonsense

So umm... how exactly did Wrath get "Fucked over". How much money did he lose? Are you saying he got fucked over because Sile made profit instead of your friend? Sile was the one with the character, not your friend.

[The-Pwny-Express]

.............Either A. You didn't read this thread at all, or B..........I just dk? I just don't fucking know. I have NOTHING for B. You're obviously not retarded since you can read and type. So I just don't know. Where does your logic come from? How do you rationalize? What psyche meds are you currently on and what are the dosages? Have you recieved brain damage in the past, if so, how severe. Are you drunk or high? Both?.....no, I know what it is. You are fucking with me....ok..hahah yeah I gotcha..good one....u dumb bastard



And as a fucking sidenote, me and wrath aren't even friends. He's just a merchant I've dealt with in the past that has always been very honest and fair. I just hate slimy ass merchants. I could just use this post to wait and see who all defends this douche so I know who not to deal with for future reference.

[Telfaahga]

So umm... how exactly did Wrath get "Fucked over". How much money did he lose? Are you saying he got fucked over because Sile made profit instead of your friend? Sile was the one with the character, not your friend.

haha did you read the thread? If you did and still posted that I feel sorry for you.

[nub]

I read the thread, which is why I asked... how did Wrath get fucked over? Did he lose any money? Was it his life long dream to have a level 41 bard? Are there any other bards out there?

[nub]

.............Either A. You didn't read this thread at all, or B..........I just dk? I just don't fucking know. I have NOTHING for B. You're obviously not retarded since you can read and type. So I just don't know. Where does your logic come from? How do you rationalize? What psyche meds are you currently on and what are the dosages? Have you recieved brain damage in the past, if so, how severe. Are you drunk or high? Both?.....no, I know what it is. You are fucking with me....ok..hahah yeah I gotcha..good one....u dumb bastard

I have a question, how long does it take for you to make a point? I mean seriously, if you thought I'm stupid to begin with, did you think beating around the bush would help? How about you try to figure out how to make a complete thought and get back to me.

[nub]

Oh and simmer down, it's FUCKING GEMSTONE IV!!

[Telfaahga]

I read the thread, which is why I asked... how did Wrath get fucked over? Did he lose any money? Was it his life long dream to have a level 41 bard? Are there any other bards out there?

i'm upset at how stupid you are.

[nub]

i'm upset at how stupid you are.

Is that your answer? In your two posts you could have answered my question. How did he get fucked over?

[Telfaahga]

If you cannot figure that out from reading the thread you need to just go away from this thread find something less challenging for the mind. Seriously i'm not normally an ass but some of you people are just ignorant.

[nub]

If you cannot figure that out from reading the thread you need to just go away from this thread find something less challenging for the mind. Seriously i'm not normally an ass but some of you people are just ignorant.

So... explain why you can't explain why?

[The-Pwny-Express]

I didn't answer because I felt it a waste of time. But I will waste that time. He should have won the auction and got a good deal on a 40 bard. Because that is what an auction is, rather than a flat priced sale. You start out at a low mb OR even a high mb, hoping it would spark some bidding war between two or more ppl in which case you would end up with well more than ur shit is worth, or maybe ur just trying to get rid of it at any price and u don't really give a shit. Just get what the market will give you for it. Whatever the case may be. However, just because the auction doesn't turn out like you hoped it would doesn't mean you can just say fuck the high bidder at the time the auction is supposed to end and then just go do your own thing or come up with some bullshit about a bid on the character without the gear or vice versa. You already began the auction for the bard, AND his gear and had a bid on it, and it had run to the final day of the auction where it was supposed to end and wrath should have recieved the character. Maybe if he had put something in his auction about "hey if I don't get what I'm looking for on this auction I'm just going to cancel it or split it all up and sell seperately" but then that is what the starting MB is for. So you at least get the minimum you want for it. It's just strange and alien to me that ppl like you don't understand a concept so simple as honest merchanting. It's like "what do you mean? He's supposed to actually sell the character and his gear in the auction he had at a loss to himself? I don't get it....uhhh" We're just cut from two different molds I guess.

[nub]

Well don't go on assuming things. All I asked was how he got fucked over. Me, myself I would have kept to my word, I don't think what he did was cool either, but I don't really see how Wrath got fucked since he didn't have anything to begin with. I could see being mad, but I think Sile also let him know what the deal was.

However, I assume Wrath did not want the bard but the gear, as to why he didn't up the bid for the bard only.

[Telfaahga]

I thought the post below summed up why he got fucked? Did you miss this post?


Riiiight....so in the future if I'm running an auction where I'm auctioning items as a set and someone has a bid on that set I don't like and is about to win the auction...what I'll do is I'll just cancel that auction altogether, sell the center piece out of the set outright because someone expressed interest in it, and then re-auction and put those same items back up minus that one item and essentially just restart the auction again. BUT! I'll make sure I notify the current bidder of whats goin on. Here's how that MSG went...

"Hey man, listen, I know you have the high bid on this auction I'm running....buuuuut I don't really like that ur going to win it so cheap even though I made the mb myself...and someone has made an offer on a single item out of the auction which is less than ur cb so I'm using that as grounds to tell u u can either up ur cb to something I like more, or I'm just going to cancel this auction and sell him that single piece. Then I'm going to re-auction all the rest by themselves because that works out better for me"

[The-Pwny-Express]

yeah he let him know what the deal was. But just put yourself in wraths position. Try and imagine it was you. Here you have the high bid on an auction, and this dude messages you saying hey I have a bid on just my bard which is lower than ur cb on my bard and his equipment. I'll continue the auction I currently have running, but only if you up ur bid to something I like more. I mean are you kidding me? I would have been pissed. That's ridiculous, you don't do business that way, at least I don't

[Sile]

I didn't ask him to up his bid. I gave him the chance to pay less then his bid for the bard, not pay more, sure it was for a naked bard.

He expressed to me in IM's that he was really looking foward to the bard. But in effect he is probably more upset that he didn't get a chance to resale the gear, the bard was an afterthought.

If I said the BO was more then his then we agreed to take off some afterwords, just to get naked bard. Or i bought the gear back off the bidder, there would of been no complaining, ok there may have been some, people like to complain on here.

I was honest and never hid any details to Wrath the whole time, like I said before I told him I had a Buy Out offer for the bard alone that was less then his bid a couple days before. He never complained, just told me to let him know. He never complained untill after I accepted the buy out offer.


All in all he is sore because I made the profit (I still never really made any profit) he wanted to make.

[The-Pwny-Express]

Alright, sometimes it is difficult to explain the simplest of things, but I'm going to take a shot at it. When a merchant puts something up for auction, and then a buyer makes a bid on that auction, there is an unspoken agreement between the two that if that auction ends at that bid then the seller receives that item at that bid. The merchant doesn't cancel the auction halfway through or flip flop shit around and change the auction mid-auction because he isn't making a profit on it.

[nub]

I thought the post below summed up why he got fucked? Did you miss this post?

no... I didn't miss that post.

[Sile]

I did post in the original Post that I was willing to accept buy out offers.

Buy out offers always trump the current bid, value or otherwise.

I have, and many others on here before have sold certain items cheaper to a friend then other offers, but you didn't see them become the topic of the week.

[The-Pwny-Express]

I didn't ask him to up his bid. I gave him the chance to pay less then his bid for the bard, not pay more, sure it was for a naked bard.

He expressed to me in IM's that he was really looking foward to the bard. But in effect he is probably more upset that he didn't get a chance to resale the gear, the bard was an afterthought.

If I said the BO was more then his then we agreed to take off some afterwords, just to get naked bard. Or i bought the gear back off the bidder, there would of been no complaining, ok there may have been some, people like to complain on here.

I was honest and never hid any details to Wrath the whole time, like I said before I told him I had a Buy Out offer for the bard alone that was less then his bid a couple days before. He never complained, just told me to let him know. He never complained untill after I accepted the buy out offer.


All in all he is sore because I made the profit (I still never really made any profit) he wanted to make.

Yes, he no doubt was going to resale and make a profit. That is beside the point. You had an auction running with a bid on it and it ran to completion. Then you didn't make good on the bid wrath made on your auction and instead, basically said no I'm not giving you this bard and gear you won in my auction, I'm going to do this instead and if you don't like it then oh well.

[The-Pwny-Express]

I did post in the original Post that I was willing to accept buy out offers.

Buy out offers always trump the current bid, value or otherwise.

I have, and many others on here before have sold certain items cheaper to a friend then other offers, but you didn't see them become the topic of the week.

Yes, and that post was on an auction for a bard with his gear. If you had gotten a BO on the bard and gear and took it, ok. Yeah that's all good. But that wasn't the case.

[Sile]

Yes, he no doubt was going to resale and make a profit. That is beside the point. You had an auction running with a bid on it and it ran to completion. Then you didn't make good on the bid wrath made on your auction and instead, basically said no I'm not giving you this bard and gear you won in my auction, I'm going to do this instead and if you don't like it then oh well.


I agree, I accepted a buy out offer.

Now I see why alot of people don't disclose what buy out offers they accepted.

Keep posting untill your fingers bleed. Keeps me with something to read when I'm bored.

I'll leave it with a suitable picture.

http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/4453/arguingontheinternet.jpg (http://img85.imageshack.us/i/arguingontheinternet.jpg/)

[Geshron]

The rational and honest thing to do would have been to sell everything separate in the first place. Sile, you have to be living under a rock to avoid noticing how quickly a package like this would go for without having to resort to what you do. Simple process: sell the items and bard at a premium instead of an "oh shit I gotta deploy!" bargain basement price. Your counterpoint should simply be "It all just matters on how big of an asshole I am willing to look like" pure and simple. It's shady but, you do what you have to do I guess. Be safe out there.

[The-Pwny-Express]

And what makes it even better, is the guy that bought the bard is one of your friends. I can see you both sitting at a table....

douchebag1: Damn man...my auction is about to end and I'm losing out big time...

douchebag2: yeah dude, I told you to split everything up and sell it seperate. You make more profit that way.

douchebag1: Yeah...fuck....what can I do?

douchebag2:...oh I know!...hey lets just.....


and thus this bullshit was birthed. And I will keep posting till my fingers bleed, because it also entertains me to watch maggots like you squirm

[The-Pwny-Express]

The rational and honest thing to do would have been to sell everything separate in the first place. Sile, you have to be living under a rock to avoid noticing how quickly a package like this would go for without having to resort to what you do. Simple process: sell the items and bard at a premium instead of an "oh shit I gotta deploy!" bargain basement price. Your counterpoint should simply be "It all just matters on how big of an asshole I am willing to look like" pure and simple. It's shady but, you do what you have to do I guess. Be safe out there.


Truth ^

[thefarmer]

blah blah blah

Ok, we get it.

You don't like what Sile did because it hurt your interwebs feelings. Is there a particular point to continuing?

[The-Pwny-Express]

U just bumped the thread, jesus farmer just let it go man. This thread is dead. I'll stop bringing shady merchant tactics to light alright? Don't worry.....

[Clipt]

Ok, we get it.

You don't like what Sile did because it hurt your interwebs feelings. Is there a particular point to continuing?

umadbro?