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Nieninque
01-13-2010, 08:10 AM
Bring it on... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8455712.stm



Internet giant Google has said it may end its operations in China following a "sophisticated and targeted" cyber attack originating from the country.
The company did not accuse the Chinese government directly, but said it was no longer willing to censor its Chinese search engine - google.cn.
This could result in closing the site, and its Chinese offices, Google said.
The top executive of its Chinese rival Baidu called the move "hypocritical" and financially motivated.
Google said the e-mail accounts of Chinese human rights activists were the primary target of the attack, which occurred in December.
The search engine has now said it will hold talks with the government in the coming weeks to look at operating an unfiltered search engine within the law in the country, though no changes to filtering had yet been made.
Google launched google.cn in 2006, agreeing to some censorship of the search results, as required by the Chinese government.
It currently holds around a third of the Chinese search market, far behind Baidu with more than 60%.
Email targeted
In a blog post announcing its decision, Google's chief legal officer David Drummond said: "A primary goal of the attackers was accessing the Gmail accounts of Chinese human rights activists."
The company said its investigation into the attack found two accounts of its online mail service - Gmail - appeared to have been accessed.
However, the attack was limited to accessing account information such as the date the account was created and subject line, rather than e-mail content, it said.
It said it had also discovered that the accounts of dozens of US, China and Europe-based Gmail users, who are "advocates of human rights in China", appeared to have been "routinely accessed by third parties".
It said these accounts had not been accessed through any security breach at Google, but "most likely via phishing scams or malware placed on users' computers".
At least 20 other large companies from a wide range of businesses were similarly targeted, it added.
'Makes me sick'
In a blog, the chief architect of Baidu said Google's decision to quit was for financial reasons, rather than a human rights issue, as Google had failed to dominate the Chinese search market.
"What Google said makes me sick," he said. "If you are to quit for the sake of financial interest, then just say it."


Google's decision to concede to China's demands on censorship in 2006 led to accusations it had betrayed its company motto - "don't be evil" - but Google argued it would be more damaging for civil liberties if it pulled out of China entirely.
BBC technology correspondent Rory Cellan Jones said Google had also seen a significant amount of internal dissent over its decision to operate under censorship.
In 2008, it signed the Global Network Initiative agreement with rivals Microsoft and Yahoo, pledging better protection of online privacy and freedom of speech against government interference.Those commitments, however, are weighed against the commercial opportunities that China provides as a fast growing market.
Nearly 340 million Chinese people now online, compared with 10 million only a decade ago.
Last year, the search engine market in China was worth an estimated $1bn and analysts previously expected Google to make about $600m from China in 2010.
But unlike most markets, Google comes second in search in China.
It has 31% of the market compared with about 60% controlled by market leader Baidu, which has a close relationship with the Chinese government. Yahoo has less than 10%.
Microsoft has a tiny share of the Chinese market with its new Bing search engine, but in December the technology giant said it was committed to China, calling it "the most important strategic market".

Suppa Hobbit Mage
01-13-2010, 11:45 AM
They should have never allowed censorship in the first place. And I'm not the most technically savvy person in the world, but how the heck do you censor the internet?!

Couldn't I just go to www.google.com (http://www.google.com) instead of www.google.cn (http://www.google.cn) ?

Kuyuk
01-13-2010, 12:03 PM
Not in china you couldnt.

Censorship is probably pretty easy for google


whenever someone types in "porn" results = 0

then just make a list of all the words you want to censor, same result.

Then add the commie string that saves all the IP's that tried to search those results, and trace it back to who did it.. lock em up or make em disappear!


Dont worry, the US censors the internet too I'm sure.

Parkbandit
01-13-2010, 12:31 PM
Dont worry, the US censors the internet too I'm sure.

Any examples of the US doing so?

Androidpk
01-13-2010, 12:38 PM
Any examples of the US doing so?

I still see your posts so apparently not :)

Keller
01-13-2010, 12:41 PM
Any examples of the US doing so?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_censorship_in_the_United_States

Kuyuk
01-13-2010, 12:42 PM
Any examples of the US doing so?

I think the US censorship is more of a "monitor and arrest" situation.

Instead of censoring things that are illegal, the gov lets it stay in the internet, and just monitors who uses it, and then arrests them.

radamanthys
01-13-2010, 01:08 PM
http://cdn.holytaco.com/www/sites/default/files/images/2009/Pedo%20bear.png

Cephalopod
01-13-2010, 01:19 PM
http://gossipcandy.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/hansen2.jpg

Danical
01-13-2010, 04:38 PM
Any examples of the US doing so?

The following aren't censorship but the US first monitored via Carnivore (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnivore_%28software%29) and then NarusInsight (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NarusInsight).

EDIT: added links.

Gan
01-13-2010, 04:44 PM
You can even self censor searches on google with the different levels (filters) available (from safe search to moderate to none/sleazy).

Self Censorship

That even sounds dirty.

Suppa Hobbit Mage
01-13-2010, 04:49 PM
The Narus stuff was interesting.