throwing weapons

[Gustamantis]

I'm switching one of my young characters to throwing weapons... I was thinking I'd like to throw daggers mainly, aim at the eyes perhaps... basically I don't know shit about throwing weapons, and would appreciate any input. Specifically, I'm curious if I should be training in shield use too? I'd prefer to not carry a shield... like I said any input what so ever, I know there's some people real into throwing weapons, so educate me. :thanx:

[Stunseed]

< I'm switching one of my young characters to throwing weapons >

Thrown starting off is not easy. I'd definately use something bigger than a dagger starting off as well, and don't aim. Unless you're going TWC thrown, I'd use a shield.

[Archigeek]

Feras is your friend.

[Gustamantis]

I was thinking daggers, because I'm theoretically going to have to carry a lot of weapons aren't I? the weapon will be lost until I loot the creature yes? I can't imagine carrying 20 handaxes will be benefitial to my encumbrance...

[AestheticLife]

If you want to go the sweep - hurl dagger into dude's eye route, leaf-bladed daggers from Solhaven are pain-free to tinker with. 0x and lightly crit weighted, so pretty mediocre, but you wont care if they disappear (which they will often, so early on).

Otherwise I'd start chucking something awesome, or dual hurling chakram if you want to be twice as cool as Xena.

[waywardgs]

Returners/bandoliers are a small fortune though.

[Durgrimst]

At this point in GS, unless you can afford some good shit, I would highly recommend going a different route.

[AestheticLife]

When "some good shit" is only in the neighborhood of 25-35m on a semi-regular basis, I don't see the point of ripping out the heart of a character by reverting to optimal land and that 7x perfect mattock.

Grab a bandolier or returner, as stated, and go to town on mofos. If you don't care to / can't afford to invest in whatever silvers you don't have, you're going to have to accept being well behind those who will.

...or just be a hooker for a month or so.

[Kitsun]

Life isn't impossible without a bandolier/returner. Warrior made sheathes can do some serious weight reduction on multiple weapons. You can pick up some superior forged steel weapons for dirt cheap and have them ebladed. You give up some encumberance for boxes and replace it with weapons. Might not even matter much depending on race/stats.

[Gustamantis]

well that's too bad that they made hurling unviable for anyone without a small fortune to spend on a returner then... I'm gonna see what kinda luck I have whipping around a bunch of daggers, I still have like 5-6 days left in my 30days with this character, so I got a few days to tinker. Appreciate all the input.

[AestheticLife]

Life isn't impossible without a bandolier/returner. Warrior made sheathes can do some serious weight reduction on multiple weapons. You can pick up some superior forged steel weapons for dirt cheap and have them ebladed. You give up some encumberance for boxes and replace it with weapons. Might not even matter much depending on race/stats.

Have you used a bandolier or returner before? Just curious, as I thought the same exact thing before I got a hand on my set, then quickly changed my mind.

It was like going from a heavy crossbow to a crank crossbow. Just a whole different level of viable there.

[Kitsun]

I've got two bandoliers and I understand how much easier they make life. I'm just saying that there are people, even if it is a minority, that get by with the cheap version and not our spoiled version. It can be done, even if it isn't pretty, elegent, streamlined, etc.

[AestheticLife]

I've got two bandoliers and I understand how much easier they make life. I'm just saying that there are people, even if it is a minority, that get by with the cheap version and not our spoiled version. It can be done, even if it isn't pretty, elegent, streamlined, etc.

Gotchya. Well, kudos to you for not being so utterly ruined by the awesomeness.

Then again, I'm the guy that could never play a melee class without Haste/Tonis Musac ever again. Maybe I just suck at sucking.

[Gustamantis]

I don't know what any of that stuff is, a bandolier, a returner, or a crank crossbow... returner seems pretty obvious, I just thought throwing knives would be neat, from what it sounds like I'm going to quickly realize that I should just go back to my bow & arrow. But since I spent all day forging up these vultite daggers, I might as well see what it's like.

[AestheticLife]

I don't know what any of that stuff is, a bandolier, a returner, or a crank crossbow... returner seems pretty obvious, I just thought throwing knives would be neat, from what it sounds like I'm going to quickly realize that I should just go back to my bow & arrow. But since I spent all day forging up these vultite daggers, I might as well see what it's like.

To clear things up, here's a list of the uncommon/fairly well known ranged toys around.

Sighted - Assesses as crit weighting; adds bonuses to accuracy while AIMing at a given location. Bows crafted of Yew, Ipantor, and Sephwir are naturally sighted (while some Yew may not be), while those of other materials may gain sighting (often temporary) from merchant services, or drop with sighting already.

Self-Ammo - Pretty self-explanitory. Covers any bow/quiver which creates its own ammo.

You draw back the string on your XXX XXX bow and a XXX XXX arrow shimmers into view.
You fire a XXX XXX arrow at XXX!

E-Bow - Self-Ammo bows of varying enchants that flare on every single hit with the given element. As far as I know, some of these flare less frequently aswell.

Mechanical Bow - See above, but flaring with mechanical spikes/rods/whatever rather than elements.

Wand Bow - Shitty knockoff of the aforementioned E-Bow, using elemental wands to apply flares to shots with your own provided ammunition.

Chaos Bow - http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?t=13666

Poison Bow - http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?t=26519

Lirion's Racial Bow - Assorted bows that grant bonuses when a given race (Sylvan, for instance) are holding them.

Spirit/Gauntlet Bow - http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?t=21724

Bandolier - http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?t=18013

Returner - http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?t=48141

Chain-Spear - http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?t=32837

Crank Crossbow - http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?t=44686

Toy Bow - http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?t=24678

Water Cannon - http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?t=27548

All credit to those associated with relevant threads. I probably missed a few, too.

[Gustamantis]

cool, thanks. btw I did mess around with hurling, made myself 7 elegant vultite daggers, and pulled a couple of superior handaxes off my shop shelf. Took way more than those 9 weapons to kill a simple shelfae chieftain and then the tedium of picking all my weapons up, made even more annoying by the fact that the chieftain ran away when I was in the middle of throwing things at it. I'm definetly going back to firing 2 arrows to get a kill.

[Izzy]

cool, thanks. btw I did mess around with hurling, made myself 7 elegant vultite daggers, and pulled a couple of superior handaxes off my shop shelf. Took way more than those 9 weapons to kill a simple shelfae chieftain and then the tedium of picking all my weapons up, made even more annoying by the fact that the chieftain ran away when I was in the middle of throwing things at it. I'm definetly going back to firing 2 arrows to get a kill.

Toldja so ;)

[kookiegod]

To clear things up, here's a list of the uncommon/fairly well known ranged toys around.

Sighted - Assesses as crit weighting; adds bonuses to accuracy while AIMing at a given location. Bows crafted of Yew, Ipantor, and Sephwir are naturally sighted (while some Yew may not be), while those of other materials may gain sighting (often temporary) from merchant services, or drop with sighting already.

Self-Ammo - Pretty self-explanitory. Covers any bow/quiver which creates its own ammo.

You draw back the string on your XXX XXX bow and a XXX XXX arrow shimmers into view.
You fire a XXX XXX arrow at XXX!

E-Bow - Self-Ammo bows of varying enchants that flare on every single hit with the given element. As far as I know, some of these flare less frequently aswell.

Mechanical Bow - See above, but flaring with mechanical spikes/rods/whatever rather than elements.

Wand Bow - Shitty knockoff of the aforementioned E-Bow, using elemental wands to apply flares to shots with your own provided ammunition.

Chaos Bow - http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?t=13666

Poison Bow - http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?t=26519

Lirion's Racial Bow - Assorted bows that grant bonuses when a given race (Sylvan, for instance) are holding them.

Spirit/Gauntlet Bow - http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?t=21724

Bandolier - http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?t=18013

Returner - http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?t=48141

Chain-Spear - http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?t=32837

Crank Crossbow - http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?t=44686

Toy Bow - http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?t=24678

Water Cannon - http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?t=27548

All credit to those associated with relevant threads. I probably missed a few, too.

Whats sad is so much of this stuff has disappeared.

My chain-spear I loaned out, and the person who was a very good friend has gone MIA. <roll eyes> Leaves 3 and I know where 2 are at least.

Water Cannons, haven't seen them in awhile, but they just toys, albeit fun ones.

All the chaos bows are gone that I am aware of, haven't seen any of Elbrion's mechanical crossbows either. Carabelle's player quit with the racial bow, and one Uska ebow, though she might come back someday.

I picked up the speed crossbow recently and made a decent weapon out of it as I traded for the unlimited random elemental flaring crossbow quiver too. Really works well, I'll post some screen captures of it.

~Paul

[waywardgs]

I picked up the speed crossbow recently and made a decent weapon out of it as I traded for the unlimited random elemental flaring crossbow quiver too. Really works well, I'll post some screen captures of it.

~Paul

I'd like to see this in action.

[Kitsun]

I laughed pretty hard when I saw the water cannons on that list. My gnome has two of them.

One chaos bow was given out as a prize as part of a player run string of events. So it is probably still out there unless it got lost in the last 2-3 months.

[AestheticLife]

Hey, Water Cannons are badass. For any class without a proper CvC knockdown spell, you can abuse the hell out of one.

Besides, there's nothing worse than being killed by a guy after he hit you with a supersoaker.

[Archigeek]

If you aren't buying the fancy toys, the coolest aspect of hurling in my mind is sniping. It's pretty damn neat to see an ice pick fly out of the shadows and hit someone in the eye. Also, I know one rogue who makes very effective use of feras, but then that's mostly with silent strike, not hurling. Feras works pretty well with hurling, but be careful to make sure your foes don't snap up your feras. I have a young hurler who basically hurls nothing but feras, and it works OK. The stuff is easy enough to find.

[Izzy]

Whats sad is so much of this stuff has disappeared.

My chain-spear I loaned out, and the person who was a very good friend has gone MIA. <roll eyes> Leaves 3 and I know where 2 are at least.

Water Cannons, haven't seen them in awhile, but they just toys, albeit fun ones.

All the chaos bows are gone that I am aware of, haven't seen any of Elbrion's mechanical crossbows either. Carabelle's player quit with the racial bow, and one Uska ebow, though she might come back someday.

I picked up the speed crossbow recently and made a decent weapon out of it as I traded for the unlimited random elemental flaring crossbow quiver too. Really works well, I'll post some screen captures of it.

~Paul
I've got one of the chainspears if anyone wants to convince me to get rid of it. Haven't played in 4 months.

[Gibreficul]

I skipped most of this thread, but my advice...

master fletching
Fletch yourself darts with a vultite cap... They'll be 5x and cost about 1000 silvers a piece to make. Also, keep a couple heavy weapons around, 0x ebladed junk works well. That's how you manage thrown weapons without a crutch, assuming daggers primary. ALSO, my BEST advice for a "hurler" is to not be a "hurler." Instead, use thrown weapons to supplement another primary attack style. I was never upset that I had edged and hurled weapons trained up. Each one had advantages over the other.

[Archigeek]

my BEST advice for a "hurler" is to not be a "hurler." Instead, use thrown weapons to supplement another primary attack style. I was never upset that I had edged and hurled weapons trained up. Each one had advantages over the other.

Excellent advice.